Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Carol, I'm so sorry that this has happened. The research clearly points to the fact that lack of willpower is not our problem...we exemplify will power by our dogged determination to try yet one more scheme to lose this weight. Only to be disappointed once again. It takes will power for us to go on and live our lives! I don't know what I would have done had my doc of 15 years said no. I'm grateful he didn't and yet I believe had he said no I would have probably taken it as a sign. Not sure. What I do know is that few people understand. Even few obese people understand. They continue through life believing that if they really really tried they could lose and keep of the weight. They really really believe they can silence the inner " voice " that tells them to continue to eat and to crave when reason tells them it is insane to do so. At this point, you need to take some time to think. Is this a sign? Is it time to find a Dr....talk talk talk and then make a good sound decision. Whatever you decide...we're with you! We understand. Flo in lanhd > ** Original Subject: RE: My Doc said no! > ** > ** Original Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:54:07 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... > > Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! > I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my > research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my > weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing > to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my > doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. > > Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put > this > much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, > Dr. > Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I > know I feel > like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago > you > were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that > you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, > " BUT I > want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine > and > told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not > believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, > people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to > find > research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. > > I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, > " You > just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told > her > that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy > for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was > not > the answer. > > SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! > > Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 > years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research > findings older the 6 years, is she right? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE FREE! GET THE OFFICIAL COMPANION > TO TELEVISION'S HOTTEST GAME SHOW PHENOMENON PLUS 5 MORE BOOKS FOR > $2. Click for details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3014/1/_/453517/_/957473220/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Florence Ballengee Hollywood, land florence@... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Carol, I'm so sorry that this has happened. The research clearly points to the fact that lack of willpower is not our problem...we exemplify will power by our dogged determination to try yet one more scheme to lose this weight. Only to be disappointed once again. It takes will power for us to go on and live our lives! I don't know what I would have done had my doc of 15 years said no. I'm grateful he didn't and yet I believe had he said no I would have probably taken it as a sign. Not sure. What I do know is that few people understand. Even few obese people understand. They continue through life believing that if they really really tried they could lose and keep of the weight. They really really believe they can silence the inner " voice " that tells them to continue to eat and to crave when reason tells them it is insane to do so. At this point, you need to take some time to think. Is this a sign? Is it time to find a Dr....talk talk talk and then make a good sound decision. Whatever you decide...we're with you! We understand. Flo in lanhd > ** Original Subject: RE: My Doc said no! > ** > ** Original Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:54:07 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... > > Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! > I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my > research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my > weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing > to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my > doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. > > Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put > this > much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, > Dr. > Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I > know I feel > like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago > you > were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that > you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, > " BUT I > want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine > and > told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not > believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, > people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to > find > research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. > > I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, > " You > just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told > her > that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy > for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was > not > the answer. > > SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! > > Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 > years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research > findings older the 6 years, is she right? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE FREE! GET THE OFFICIAL COMPANION > TO TELEVISION'S HOTTEST GAME SHOW PHENOMENON PLUS 5 MORE BOOKS FOR > $2. Click for details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3014/1/_/453517/_/957473220/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Florence Ballengee Hollywood, land florence@... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 Carol, I'm so sorry that this has happened. The research clearly points to the fact that lack of willpower is not our problem...we exemplify will power by our dogged determination to try yet one more scheme to lose this weight. Only to be disappointed once again. It takes will power for us to go on and live our lives! I don't know what I would have done had my doc of 15 years said no. I'm grateful he didn't and yet I believe had he said no I would have probably taken it as a sign. Not sure. What I do know is that few people understand. Even few obese people understand. They continue through life believing that if they really really tried they could lose and keep of the weight. They really really believe they can silence the inner " voice " that tells them to continue to eat and to crave when reason tells them it is insane to do so. At this point, you need to take some time to think. Is this a sign? Is it time to find a Dr....talk talk talk and then make a good sound decision. Whatever you decide...we're with you! We understand. Flo in lanhd > ** Original Subject: RE: My Doc said no! > ** > ** Original Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:54:07 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... > > Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! > I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my > research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my > weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing > to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my > doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. > > Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put > this > much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, > Dr. > Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I > know I feel > like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago > you > were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that > you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, > " BUT I > want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine > and > told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not > believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, > people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to > find > research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. > > I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, > " You > just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told > her > that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy > for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was > not > the answer. > > SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! > > Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 > years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research > findings older the 6 years, is she right? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE FREE! GET THE OFFICIAL COMPANION > TO TELEVISION'S HOTTEST GAME SHOW PHENOMENON PLUS 5 MORE BOOKS FOR > $2. Click for details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3014/1/_/453517/_/957473220/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Florence Ballengee Hollywood, land florence@... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 As soon as my doc came in the room, I said, " I want to talk to you about something that is very very important to me " ...he sat down and said " shoot " . And in fashion uncharacteristic for him, he listened and agreed that surgery is definately an option and that he knew I'd tried nearly everything. He ought to, he'd prescribed it and told me ALL of my health problems were related to my weight. He didn't even look at the manual, didn't seem interested in it. The important thing was...he sat down and listened to what I was saying. He asked if insurance would cover...he asked would I consider going closer to home...and then he had me schedule my blood test and ekg appointment and the rest is history (well not history exactly but my insurance approval came today). When I went for the blood test and ekg he said there were advantages to going closer to home...but if I was more comfortable with the Dr. in NC, then he was ok with that. This is a doc who is Indian, aloof, very busy, never very interested in what I had to say but certainly has taken good care of me for 15 years when I had a complaint. He knew what to prescribe, and did not beat me up over my weight. He was matter of fact about the obesity but never cruel and never judgemental. For me, it was the barrier that was broken when I said that it was important to me...I made myself a person to him...not just a patient. That was my experience...I had prepared the elaborate words but that's not what came out. And I might add that I was close to tears when I said my opening line...I think it was relief..relief that there is a way...I had given up hope. Flo in land > Florence Ballengee Hollywood, land florence@... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2000 Report Share Posted April 4, 2000 As soon as my doc came in the room, I said, " I want to talk to you about something that is very very important to me " ...he sat down and said " shoot " . And in fashion uncharacteristic for him, he listened and agreed that surgery is definately an option and that he knew I'd tried nearly everything. He ought to, he'd prescribed it and told me ALL of my health problems were related to my weight. He didn't even look at the manual, didn't seem interested in it. The important thing was...he sat down and listened to what I was saying. He asked if insurance would cover...he asked would I consider going closer to home...and then he had me schedule my blood test and ekg appointment and the rest is history (well not history exactly but my insurance approval came today). When I went for the blood test and ekg he said there were advantages to going closer to home...but if I was more comfortable with the Dr. in NC, then he was ok with that. This is a doc who is Indian, aloof, very busy, never very interested in what I had to say but certainly has taken good care of me for 15 years when I had a complaint. He knew what to prescribe, and did not beat me up over my weight. He was matter of fact about the obesity but never cruel and never judgemental. For me, it was the barrier that was broken when I said that it was important to me...I made myself a person to him...not just a patient. That was my experience...I had prepared the elaborate words but that's not what came out. And I might add that I was close to tears when I said my opening line...I think it was relief..relief that there is a way...I had given up hope. Flo in land > Florence Ballengee Hollywood, land florence@... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Subj: My Doc said no! Date: 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: CJHILL_22193@... Reply-to: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, Dr. Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I know I feel like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago you were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, " BUT I want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine and told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to find research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, " You just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told her that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was not the answer. SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research findings older the 6 years, is she right? >> I want to make an intelligent reply, but when I here stuff like this I don't quite know how to tackle it. I am and have been sitting on the fence about this MGB and I too, like you, get even more confused when I hear doctors talk like this. Because I am sitting on the fence, I can sort of see both sides. But, when you have comorbities such as HBP that is not controlled and especially diabetes that is not controlled and you see that @ 11 leading physician based organizations, such as s Hopkins, the former Surgeon General of the US and more saying that wls is the answer to such people, why can your doctor or any other doctor disagree???? That is the part I don't understand. How can your doctor argue with these authorities? That being said, I am sorry for you that you cried BUT, I would get rid of that doctor. He/she is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. Wake up Americans, it is time for us to let our physicians, politicians, etc., know that WE are the boss, not them. You hired your doctor, now fire your doctor and let him/her know why. There will be someone else who will support you. Basically, when we go to our PCP, we are there for two reasons only, one is for them to give you their advice (not their permission). I think that it is very helpful for someone who has cared for your body to help educate you so that YOU (not THEM) can make the best decision for YOU. Secondly, you just want to know if they will agree to care for you, primarily nutritionally for the next several years. Now, your doctor's response was find someone who has had wls for 10 years. If you had needed a heart transplant back when they were being done the first year or two, I guess you would have been up the creek. And, I know there were no wls being done laproscopically until the past few years. Medicine is zooming ahead just like everything else, always new advances. I find it amazing that a doctor would " take care of you " while you are killing yourself with obesity but when you chose to be pro-active and do something towards a positive step, your doctor tells you NO. Get rid of that doctor and them him/her why. I'm sorry for being a party-pooper but wrong is wrong. Good luck to you, but please keep pursing. Love, Liz P.S. I don't know your doctor but I would look at their credentials compared to Dr. R and something tells me that your doctor will fall incredible short. (It might be my doctor also. I have my PCP appt on Mom at 8:30 am and I will be online before noon to let you know if I fired my doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Subj: My Doc said no! Date: 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: CJHILL_22193@... Reply-to: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, Dr. Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I know I feel like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago you were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, " BUT I want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine and told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to find research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, " You just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told her that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was not the answer. SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research findings older the 6 years, is she right? >> I want to make an intelligent reply, but when I here stuff like this I don't quite know how to tackle it. I am and have been sitting on the fence about this MGB and I too, like you, get even more confused when I hear doctors talk like this. Because I am sitting on the fence, I can sort of see both sides. But, when you have comorbities such as HBP that is not controlled and especially diabetes that is not controlled and you see that @ 11 leading physician based organizations, such as s Hopkins, the former Surgeon General of the US and more saying that wls is the answer to such people, why can your doctor or any other doctor disagree???? That is the part I don't understand. How can your doctor argue with these authorities? That being said, I am sorry for you that you cried BUT, I would get rid of that doctor. He/she is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. Wake up Americans, it is time for us to let our physicians, politicians, etc., know that WE are the boss, not them. You hired your doctor, now fire your doctor and let him/her know why. There will be someone else who will support you. Basically, when we go to our PCP, we are there for two reasons only, one is for them to give you their advice (not their permission). I think that it is very helpful for someone who has cared for your body to help educate you so that YOU (not THEM) can make the best decision for YOU. Secondly, you just want to know if they will agree to care for you, primarily nutritionally for the next several years. Now, your doctor's response was find someone who has had wls for 10 years. If you had needed a heart transplant back when they were being done the first year or two, I guess you would have been up the creek. And, I know there were no wls being done laproscopically until the past few years. Medicine is zooming ahead just like everything else, always new advances. I find it amazing that a doctor would " take care of you " while you are killing yourself with obesity but when you chose to be pro-active and do something towards a positive step, your doctor tells you NO. Get rid of that doctor and them him/her why. I'm sorry for being a party-pooper but wrong is wrong. Good luck to you, but please keep pursing. Love, Liz P.S. I don't know your doctor but I would look at their credentials compared to Dr. R and something tells me that your doctor will fall incredible short. (It might be my doctor also. I have my PCP appt on Mom at 8:30 am and I will be online before noon to let you know if I fired my doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Subj: My Doc said no! Date: 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: CJHILL_22193@... Reply-to: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, Dr. Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I know I feel like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago you were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, " BUT I want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine and told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to find research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, " You just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told her that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was not the answer. SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research findings older the 6 years, is she right? >> I want to make an intelligent reply, but when I here stuff like this I don't quite know how to tackle it. I am and have been sitting on the fence about this MGB and I too, like you, get even more confused when I hear doctors talk like this. Because I am sitting on the fence, I can sort of see both sides. But, when you have comorbities such as HBP that is not controlled and especially diabetes that is not controlled and you see that @ 11 leading physician based organizations, such as s Hopkins, the former Surgeon General of the US and more saying that wls is the answer to such people, why can your doctor or any other doctor disagree???? That is the part I don't understand. How can your doctor argue with these authorities? That being said, I am sorry for you that you cried BUT, I would get rid of that doctor. He/she is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. Wake up Americans, it is time for us to let our physicians, politicians, etc., know that WE are the boss, not them. You hired your doctor, now fire your doctor and let him/her know why. There will be someone else who will support you. Basically, when we go to our PCP, we are there for two reasons only, one is for them to give you their advice (not their permission). I think that it is very helpful for someone who has cared for your body to help educate you so that YOU (not THEM) can make the best decision for YOU. Secondly, you just want to know if they will agree to care for you, primarily nutritionally for the next several years. Now, your doctor's response was find someone who has had wls for 10 years. If you had needed a heart transplant back when they were being done the first year or two, I guess you would have been up the creek. And, I know there were no wls being done laproscopically until the past few years. Medicine is zooming ahead just like everything else, always new advances. I find it amazing that a doctor would " take care of you " while you are killing yourself with obesity but when you chose to be pro-active and do something towards a positive step, your doctor tells you NO. Get rid of that doctor and them him/her why. I'm sorry for being a party-pooper but wrong is wrong. Good luck to you, but please keep pursing. Love, Liz P.S. I don't know your doctor but I would look at their credentials compared to Dr. R and something tells me that your doctor will fall incredible short. (It might be my doctor also. I have my PCP appt on Mom at 8:30 am and I will be online before noon to let you know if I fired my doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Liz & Carol - My first PCP said no - so I " fired " him. My second PCP said no - so I got rid of him too. (Felt good - kind of like dumping my last bad boyfriend!) I called up my insurance company and BEGGED them to get me a primary care physician who was in some way affiliated with a weight loss program or center or bariatric surgery or ANY CONNECTION to weight loss and they came through. They gave me the name of one (a woman BTW!) who I saw today for the first time. Well guess what - she said okay to WLS, but she wants me to have it at their facility! I am starting to feel like I can't win for losing here!!!! Anyway - I dazzled her with my research (and *charm* ) and she said after I have my complete physical, EKG, etc., etc., she " will re-consider " . Although I feel like she's holding me for ransom, I know eventually I'll wear her down. So my helpful hint for the day is...call your insurance company and see if they can help. Even if they don't automatically cover WLS they have the ! resources to advise you with the names of some Dr's who might be more willing to help you. (I'm wishing you both all the best in the meantime!) M. MGB pre-op...but not for long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Carol, Just my personal opinion...find another Dr. this one sounds as though she will come up with some other excuse even if you present longer range data to her. Her key words are that she doesn't believe in WLS. {{HUGS}} Claire Redhead in FL MGB 4/10/00 Dr. Rutledge (http:/clos.net) " He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus. " - Phil. 1:6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/00 6:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmsm97@... writes: << Even if they don't automatically cover WLS they have the ! resources to advise you with the names of some Dr's who might be more willing to help you. (I'm wishing you both all the best in the meantime!) >> , That is a very good idea. I have a feeling I'll need it come time for my visit with my PCP on Monday. Does anyone have a good idea for how to ask the question. I am imagining saying something like, " Dr. M, as you very well know, I am morbidly obese and nothing we have tried over the years has made any impact whatsoever. I have not given up hope however, and in my search to reclaim my health, I have found out about WLS specifically the MGB. It is a laproscopic....blah blah blah and then tell her that I would like her opinion and unless she can reveal something that all the post-ops and the Dr. R has hidden that I have made up my mind to have the MGB. I will then tell her that I will need a physician who will agree to moniter me closely for nutritional deficiencies and perform a complete Physical to be forwarded to Dr. R. And I will then say, " Will you agree to moniter me and see me after this procedure is done? " And I will show her what I have in my " book " and tell her I will copy as much as she would like. What do you all think of that? Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/00 6:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cmsm97@... writes: << Even if they don't automatically cover WLS they have the ! resources to advise you with the names of some Dr's who might be more willing to help you. (I'm wishing you both all the best in the meantime!) >> , That is a very good idea. I have a feeling I'll need it come time for my visit with my PCP on Monday. Does anyone have a good idea for how to ask the question. I am imagining saying something like, " Dr. M, as you very well know, I am morbidly obese and nothing we have tried over the years has made any impact whatsoever. I have not given up hope however, and in my search to reclaim my health, I have found out about WLS specifically the MGB. It is a laproscopic....blah blah blah and then tell her that I would like her opinion and unless she can reveal something that all the post-ops and the Dr. R has hidden that I have made up my mind to have the MGB. I will then tell her that I will need a physician who will agree to moniter me closely for nutritional deficiencies and perform a complete Physical to be forwarded to Dr. R. And I will then say, " Will you agree to moniter me and see me after this procedure is done? " And I will show her what I have in my " book " and tell her I will copy as much as she would like. What do you all think of that? Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 << " Dr. M, as you very well know, I am morbidly obese and nothing we have tried over the years has made any impact whatsoever. I have not given up hope however, and in my search to reclaim my health, I have found out about WLS specifically the MGB. >> Liz - I would only suggest that you list all the WLS surgical procedures available, and then comment on why you don't feel they're right for you. I have found that the Dr's are most impressed with the " technical " knowledge of each of these surgeries I have gained, and the fact that I am able to rattle off to them the steps involved in the laproscopic MGB vs. the much more invasive RNY! I will say a prayer for you tomorrow and hope that all goes well with your PCP. (Please wish me well also, because I'm starting to feel like I go through doctors the way Trump goes through wives!!! LOL) M. (MGB pre-op...but not for long!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 I just wanted to say that if that doctor had said to me what your doctor said I would not have been able to maintain my composure. My physician is not only happy, he is talking to Dr. Rutledge about me and is interested in finding out more. When I went to him he had never heard of the surgery. He was incredibly impressed with the professional and scientific way Dr. Rutledge has approached this. I agree with Liz I would fire that doctor. She feels like she has failed you. Damn right she has. She is not there to make your choice for you only to guide you. Do what your heart tells you darling and everything will be fine. Take care and please keep us posted. HUGS, Lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 I just wanted to say that if that doctor had said to me what your doctor said I would not have been able to maintain my composure. My physician is not only happy, he is talking to Dr. Rutledge about me and is interested in finding out more. When I went to him he had never heard of the surgery. He was incredibly impressed with the professional and scientific way Dr. Rutledge has approached this. I agree with Liz I would fire that doctor. She feels like she has failed you. Damn right she has. She is not there to make your choice for you only to guide you. Do what your heart tells you darling and everything will be fine. Take care and please keep us posted. HUGS, Lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Dear Carol, I went through the same thing with my doc of 12 years. Just pick yourself up and find another doctor. That's what I had to do and I know it isn't easy. But it was worth it. It is a shame that we have doctors out there that are so closed minded and do not see the whole picture. How on earth can we regain our weight when our stomach is so small????? With a 4 ounce pouch, even if it stretches some, you could never regain very much weight. It would be impossible unless you sat around and ate pie, cake and cookies all day, which you can't do either because of the dumping connection, and what's more you don't crave sweets or greasy fast food any more!!!!! Bye now. in Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Dear Carol, I went through the same thing with my doc of 12 years. Just pick yourself up and find another doctor. That's what I had to do and I know it isn't easy. But it was worth it. It is a shame that we have doctors out there that are so closed minded and do not see the whole picture. How on earth can we regain our weight when our stomach is so small????? With a 4 ounce pouch, even if it stretches some, you could never regain very much weight. It would be impossible unless you sat around and ate pie, cake and cookies all day, which you can't do either because of the dumping connection, and what's more you don't crave sweets or greasy fast food any more!!!!! Bye now. in Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/2000 4:47:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " >> Carol, Let me guess, she is probably 110 pounds soaking wet?? Drop her and find someone else who will support you. Wish every body could have a doc like I do. He is great and so is this staff. Good luck! Jackie in DE 5/24/00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/2000 4:47:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " >> Carol, Let me guess, she is probably 110 pounds soaking wet?? Drop her and find someone else who will support you. Wish every body could have a doc like I do. He is great and so is this staff. Good luck! Jackie in DE 5/24/00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Hi, After my first doctor vetoed WLS, I found another and walked in with a different approach. When I called for the appointment I scheduled a physical. When I showed up, I told the doctor that the physical was to determine whether I was " reasonably fit " for surgery that I was planning on having. Then I asked him if he would be willing to do the follow up testing for the surgery, since I was going out of state. Then I handed him Dr R's letter from the website and asked him to write a letter to that effect. I think it helped that I did not ask him for his support or approval, just to agree to test my blood every now and again! Hope this helps... in NJ MGB Pre-op APPROVED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Hi, After my first doctor vetoed WLS, I found another and walked in with a different approach. When I called for the appointment I scheduled a physical. When I showed up, I told the doctor that the physical was to determine whether I was " reasonably fit " for surgery that I was planning on having. Then I asked him if he would be willing to do the follow up testing for the surgery, since I was going out of state. Then I handed him Dr R's letter from the website and asked him to write a letter to that effect. I think it helped that I did not ask him for his support or approval, just to agree to test my blood every now and again! Hope this helps... in NJ MGB Pre-op APPROVED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Hi Carol ! My name is , and I live in Palm Bay, Florida. I am 5ft tall and I weigh 285lbs. My bmi is ...well rediculous...I am currently awaiting insurance approval from Cigna right now, I'm just about sick to my stomach worrying that I will be declined, and unfortunatly, I can not afford this on my own. The reason that i'm even going into this with you is that I can feel your frustration !! And because if we always waited for ten years to pass before doing anything...things would never get done. I have to be honest with you...for me, even to experience what it feels like to be at a " healthy weight " for even two or three...hell even if its just for one year...it would be worth it to me. My PCP actually mentioned this to me a year ago...and I said...NO way...but then I turned 30...and hit 300lbs...and now I cant get it off to save my life (no pun intended) If we had a drinking or a drug addiction...our doctors would not be telling us to " find what is making us want to drink or " do " drugs " they would be getting us some help...I dont see any difference here...I can only speak for myself, and my addiction (obsession/compulsion) is to eat...no matter what I am feeling, thinking or doing. And I can no longer do it by myself...I need help, and I honestly believe that Dr. R is the ONLY one who can help. I truly do not mean to put down your doctor, I just get so frustrated when doctors (particularly ones that have never had a weight problem, not sure if this is the case with yours) have no empathy. Every time that I read an email here I feel a wonderful feeling in my heart...a feeling of closeness to so many strangers....I am cheering in my seat when I read that someone has been approved, or sets a date, or lost more weight and is still feeling great... I hope that you will be able to convince your PCP to support you in this life venture, and I am so sorry if I have come across abrupt..I just feel so strongly about this. >From: CJHILL_22193@... >Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e >To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e >Subject: My Doc said no! >Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:46:51 -0000 > >Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! >I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my >research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my >weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing >to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my >doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. > >Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put >this >much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, >Dr. >Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I >know I feel >like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago >you >were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that >you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, > " BUT I >want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine >and >told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not >believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, >people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to >find >research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. > >I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, > " You >just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told >her >that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy >for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was >not >the answer. > >SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! > >Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 >years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research >findings older the 6 years, is she right? > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE FREE! GET THE OFFICIAL COMPANION >TO TELEVISION'S HOTTEST GAME SHOW PHENOMENON PLUS 5 MORE BOOKS FOR >$2. Click for details. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3014/1/_/453517/_/957473220/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com >Please visit our web site at http://clos.net >Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/2000 5:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ElsbethLiz@... writes: << find it amazing that a doctor would " take care of you " while you are killing yourself with obesity but when you chose to be pro-active and do something towards a positive step, your doctor tells you NO. Get rid of that doctor and them him/her why. I'm sorry for being a party-pooper but wrong is wrong. Good luck to you, but please keep pursing. Love, Liz P.S. I don't know your doctor but I would look at their credentials compared to Dr. R and something tells me that your doctor will fall incredible short. (It might be my doctor also. I have my PCP appt on Mom at 8:30 am and I will be online before noon to let you know if I fired my doctor >> I was going to respond to Carols post (with a lot of anger toward her doctor) but you Liz have said it all. Way to go!! You are so right in everything you said!!!!!!! A Little Scared, but wanting to be on the other side, Cathy in Lenoir, NC BMI 42 " A Journey Of A Thousand Miles Begins With A Single Step! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 In a message dated 5/4/2000 7:24:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, florence@... writes: << And I might add that I was close to tears when I said my opening line...I think it was relief..relief that there is a way...I had given up hope. Flo in land >> I did the same thing Flo, except I was trying to tell My PCP that " I just wanted to have a normal life like other people " and about lost it on that sentence, but i think when I got emotional is what made him realize how important this was to me A Little Scared, but wanting to be on the other side, Cathy in Lenoir, NC BMI 42 " A Journey Of A Thousand Miles Begins With A Single Step! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 My sister has a close friend that had a procedure done over 20 years ago and has kept her weight. This was one of the reasons I'm doing this. Her daughter just had it done a few months ago. I don't know how they had it done. The only only thing she had a problem with was last year they found she had a bad iron deficiency. They have addressed at this time and she is fine.. ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ Re: My Doc said no! In a message dated 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CJHILL_22193@... writes: << Subj: My Doc said no! Date: 5/4/00 4:47:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: CJHILL_22193@... Reply-to: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) e Well, I finally had my doctor appointment; I've waited a month now! I went in sooooo prepared, I had a binder all made up with all my research and my history of weight loss I EVEN HAD A PICTORAL of my weight loss and regain, tell me that was not the most painful thing to put together, let a lone show someone. This doctor has been my doc for 4 years and has watched me go through hell with my weight. Well, she looked at me and said " Oh Carol, if only you would put this much effort (and pointed at the book) into losing weight " I said, Dr. Lawson, you know how hard I've tried! Then she told me " I know I feel like I've failed you, when you came in the first time 4 years ago you were gorgeous and you were having trouble keeping the weight off that you had lost (100 pounds off for 2 years). " Then she added, " BUT I want you to give it one more try. " So she gave me Phentramine and told me to come back in one month. She further added that she did not believe WLS was the answer b/c " the long range success is low, people typically regain their weight. " And she told me to try to find research for people who had WLS for 10 years or more. I started to cry, I swear I tried not too, but when she said, " You just need to figure out why you eat and stop " I lost it! I told her that I had been in an eating disorder clinic that I have had therapy for my over eating, I've tried it all. But she said the WLS was not the answer. SO, now I'm really confussed and very bummed out! Does anyone know where I can get data on people with WLS that are 10 years or more post-op. I've not been able to find any research findings older the 6 years, is she right? >> I want to make an intelligent reply, but when I here stuff like this I don't quite know how to tackle it. I am and have been sitting on the fence about this MGB and I too, like you, get even more confused when I hear doctors talk like this. Because I am sitting on the fence, I can sort of see both sides. But, when you have comorbities such as HBP that is not controlled and especially diabetes that is not controlled and you see that @ 11 leading physician based organizations, such as s Hopkins, the former Surgeon General of the US and more saying that wls is the answer to such people, why can your doctor or any other doctor disagree???? That is the part I don't understand. How can your doctor argue with these authorities? That being said, I am sorry for you that you cried BUT, I would get rid of that doctor. He/she is NOT WORKING FOR YOU. Wake up Americans, it is time for us to let our physicians, politicians, etc., know that WE are the boss, not them. You hired your doctor, now fire your doctor and let him/her know why. There will be someone else who will support you. Basically, when we go to our PCP, we are there for two reasons only, one is for them to give you their advice (not their permission). I think that it is very helpful for someone who has cared for your body to help educate you so that YOU (not THEM) can make the best decision for YOU. Secondly, you just want to know if they will agree to care for you, primarily nutritionally for the next several years. Now, your doctor's response was find someone who has had wls for 10 years. If you had needed a heart transplant back when they were being done the first year or two, I guess you would have been up the creek. And, I know there were no wls being done laproscopically until the past few years. Medicine is zooming ahead just like everything else, always new advances. I find it amazing that a doctor would " take care of you " while you are killing yourself with obesity but when you chose to be pro-active and do something towards a positive step, your doctor tells you NO. Get rid of that doctor and them him/her why. I'm sorry for being a party-pooper but wrong is wrong. Good luck to you, but please keep pursing. Love, Liz P.S. I don't know your doctor but I would look at their credentials compared to Dr. R and something tells me that your doctor will fall incredible short. (It might be my doctor also. I have my PCP appt on Mom at 8:30 am and I will be online before noon to let you know if I fired my doctor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com Please visit our web site at http://clos.net Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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