Re: Yeast/Fruit and constipation

[Guest guest]

Raw fruit and dried fruit are definitely harder to digest than raw fruits.

We usually recommend that people start with peeled, seeded fruits.

Ripe raw bananas and avocados are fine as well.

Kefir is usually a more advanced food. Elaine was not all that fond

of using it until significant healing had taken place.

Are you using an SCD starter for your yogurt?

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi I had been using 30hr SCD yogurt with a good starter, I only

introduced kefir recently as a trial and I seem ok following lactose

guidelines. I do 30hrs culturing then I leave it for a further 2 days

in the cupboard without the grains. I would really like to have small

amounts of fruit in my diet though. Is it best to just have peeled

fruit or should it be peeled and cooked. Or if you have symptoms of

candida still none at all?

Phil

>

> Raw fruit and dried fruit are definitely harder to digest than raw

fruits.

>

> We usually recommend that people start with peeled, seeded fruits.

> Ripe raw bananas and avocados are fine as well.

>

> Kefir is usually a more advanced food. Elaine was not all that fond

> of using it until significant healing had taken place.

>

> Are you using an SCD starter for your yogurt?

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

The yogurt should be incubated for 24 hours, not 30.

I am sure there are plenty of good starters, but make sure you are

using one that is allowed on SCD.

I don't know anything about kefir, only that Elaine was not in favor

of it unless significant healing had already taken place.

For the fruit, it is best to peel, deseed and cook it. This makes

things like raspberries really only possible as a jelly. And yes,

even things like canteloupe can be cooked. It seems odd, but as an

addition to applesauce, you can make all sorts of " tropical "

applesauce flavors.

When we first started SCD, I bought lots of bags of different types of

frozen fruit and I also used fresh fruit. I peeled anything that

needed peeled and then I used small glass pyrex dishes and put fruit

and a small amount of water in each one. Then I baked them until the

fruit was soft. It saved time and energy. The small pyrex dishes had

their own lids and it made storage very easy as well.

My children ate some of the fruits as is. Others I pureed and mixed

with applesauce.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

I agree with Fay.

It seems that many of our ASD kids have to move very slowly

introducing new foods compared to adults.

It could be that like Fay's son, many of the adults and non-ASD kids

are on medications that help control their symptoms. Whereas the vast

majority of the ASD kids are not on any medications (oftentimes

because most GIs won't take us seriously enough to scope our kids).

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> Hi, please could anyone let me know if they have any information

on my

> issue at present. I follow the SCD diet very strictly and it works

> great. The one thing that bothers me is in the past when I have

tried

> fruit I get constipation. The trials of fruit have been raw

berries and

> once raisins.

How are you with peeled, deseeded cooked fruit.

Then for the next 3 days I get constipated and finally

> have mucus present on my stools when I have a BM. I believe this

is

> yeast and wondered if anyone else has had this issue or knows of

> something that would help.

What symptoms make you think it is yeast? I have had those symptoms

when it was bacterial overgrowth and those plus more when battling

yeast (thrush, skin rashes etc. - mouth swab confirmed yeast

overgrowth). For a long time I was unable to eat any fruit - just

ate a lot of vegetbles, then I did cooked fruit and now some dried

fruit and peeled apples etc. It is all a matter of what you are

able to digest and how far your healing has progressed.

Would something like cooked fruit instead of

> raw work? I have been taking probiotics and things like kefir for

> months and still have the issue

How long have you been on the diet? Kefir is " ...for someone whose

gut is well along the road to healing. " (from BTVC website

under " Kefir " ) Since you are still having constipation you may not

be ready for it yet. Those with IBS seem to have to wait longer

than others on the diet.

What kind of probiotics are you taking? What other foods are you

eating? Any other supplements?

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

If you have bad symptoms (yeast or bacteria etc.) when you consume

something that indicates you aren't ready for it yet.

So if you have a bad reaction to peeled raw fruit you aren'

ready ...yet. You would be able to have ripe banana, homemade

apple/pear sauce, homemade jam etc.. Any of these are very nice mixed

with yogurt.

If you still have symptoms with the cooked peeled fruit you may be

better with 1. a different kind like better with applesauce than ripe

banana or 2. with less fruit /day or 3. cooked fruit spread throughout

the day instead of all at once.

Sheila

> I would really like to have small

> amounts of fruit in my diet though. Is it best to just have peeled

> fruit or should it be peeled and cooked. Or if you have symptoms of

> candida still none at all?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

My symptoms are white patches and coated tongue, jock itch

occasionally and constipation. When eating fruit I have mucus over my

stools but my transit time is slow so that does not help.

Food wise I just eat meat and veg no starchy veg apart from

occasional carrots. Supplement and probiotics are Vit C, E, Cod liver

oil, flax oil, and kirkman acidophilus. Not sure on kefir as you say,

I do seem to be more regular without it. My background is 1yr candida

diet, 6 months SCD diet. Did it take you long to overcome the

candida/bacteria and was there anything in particular you think

helped?

I have not tried cooked fruit, I just thought it may be worse because

of it being cooked and then its without the natural enzymes? Am I

wrong in this assumption do you think its easier better to digest

cooked? Any other helpful hints etc with candida/bacteria would be

greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Phil

>

> Hi Phil,

>

> > Hi, please could anyone let me know if they have any information

> on my

> > issue at present. I follow the SCD diet very strictly and it

works

> > great. The one thing that bothers me is in the past when I have

> tried

> > fruit I get constipation. The trials of fruit have been raw

> berries and

> > once raisins.

>

> How are you with peeled, deseeded cooked fruit.

>

> Then for the next 3 days I get constipated and finally

> > have mucus present on my stools when I have a BM. I believe this

> is

> > yeast and wondered if anyone else has had this issue or knows of

> > something that would help.

>

> What symptoms make you think it is yeast? I have had those

symptoms

> when it was bacterial overgrowth and those plus more when battling

> yeast (thrush, skin rashes etc. - mouth swab confirmed yeast

> overgrowth). For a long time I was unable to eat any fruit - just

> ate a lot of vegetbles, then I did cooked fruit and now some dried

> fruit and peeled apples etc. It is all a matter of what you are

> able to digest and how far your healing has progressed.

>

> Would something like cooked fruit instead of

> > raw work? I have been taking probiotics and things like kefir for

> > months and still have the issue

>

> How long have you been on the diet? Kefir is " ...for someone whose

> gut is well along the road to healing. " (from BTVC website

> under " Kefir " ) Since you are still having constipation you may not

> be ready for it yet. Those with IBS seem to have to wait longer

> than others on the diet.

>

> What kind of probiotics are you taking? What other foods are you

> eating? Any other supplements?

>

> Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> My symptoms are white patches and coated tongue, jock itch

> occasionally and constipation. When eating fruit I have mucus over

my

> stools but my transit time is slow so that does not help.

Yes, that does sound pretty yeast-y.

> Food wise I just eat meat and veg no starchy veg apart from

> occasional carrots. Supplement and probiotics are Vit C, E, Cod

liver

> oil, flax oil, and kirkman acidophilus. Not sure on kefir as you

say,

> I do seem to be more regular without it. My background is 1yr

candida

> diet, 6 months SCD diet. Did it take you long to overcome the

> candida/bacteria and was there anything in particular you think

> helped?

My yeast problems stem from antibiotic overuse (mostly from

preSCD). My bacteria problems were helped immediately with SCD but

after an abscessed tooth and antibiotics my yeast took off. I tried

many things reducing honey, limiting fruit somewhat, carrot and

garlic juice, rotating natural antifungals, prescription antifungals

but the best thing was antiyeast enzymes. I tried Candex but it is

hard to get into Canada, so I now use a Canadian enzyme that is very

similar (Candizyme). There are a number of different enzyme

treatments for yeast depending on where you live and what works for

you.

> I have not tried cooked fruit, I just thought it may be worse

because

> of it being cooked and then its without the natural enzymes? Am I

> wrong in this assumption do you think its easier better to digest

> cooked?

Yes, cooking fruit does make it easier to digest. And if you can

digest it then the yeasties can't use it. But, many find that they

have to reduce their honey intake and that some fruit are worse than

others with yeast. I do well with apples, pears, peaches now but

still have trouble having ripe banana. That's because my yeasties

have a feast on it. Other people with yeast may be okay with banana

but not the apple. What may help is to cut all fruit for a day and

then try the peeled cooked fruits one at a time to see how your

symptoms react. That way you will get a baseline of foods that work

for you that you can then build on.

Any other helpful hints etc with candida/bacteria would be

> greatly appreciated.

Also see " Yeast and SCD " and The " Carrot juice and garlic Remedy " at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> My symptoms are white patches and coated tongue, jock itch

> occasionally and constipation. When eating fruit I have mucus over

my

> stools but my transit time is slow so that does not help.

Yes, that does sound pretty yeast-y.

> Food wise I just eat meat and veg no starchy veg apart from

> occasional carrots. Supplement and probiotics are Vit C, E, Cod

liver

> oil, flax oil, and kirkman acidophilus. Not sure on kefir as you

say,

> I do seem to be more regular without it. My background is 1yr

candida

> diet, 6 months SCD diet. Did it take you long to overcome the

> candida/bacteria and was there anything in particular you think

> helped?

My yeast problems stem from antibiotic overuse (mostly from

preSCD). My bacteria problems were helped immediately with SCD but

after an abscessed tooth and antibiotics my yeast took off. I tried

many things reducing honey, limiting fruit somewhat, carrot and

garlic juice, rotating natural antifungals, prescription antifungals

but the best thing was antiyeast enzymes. I tried Candex but it is

hard to get into Canada, so I now use a Canadian enzyme that is very

similar (Candizyme). There are a number of different enzyme

treatments for yeast depending on where you live and what works for

you.

> I have not tried cooked fruit, I just thought it may be worse

because

> of it being cooked and then its without the natural enzymes? Am I

> wrong in this assumption do you think its easier better to digest

> cooked?

Yes, cooking fruit does make it easier to digest. And if you can

digest it then the yeasties can't use it. But, many find that they

have to reduce their honey intake and that some fruit are worse than

others with yeast. I do well with apples, pears, peaches now but

still have trouble having ripe banana. That's because my yeasties

have a feast on it. Other people with yeast may be okay with banana

but not the apple. What may help is to cut all fruit for a day and

then try the peeled cooked fruits one at a time to see how your

symptoms react. That way you will get a baseline of foods that work

for you that you can then build on.

Any other helpful hints etc with candida/bacteria would be

> greatly appreciated.

Also see " Yeast and SCD " and The " Carrot juice and garlic Remedy " at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

> My symptoms are white patches and coated tongue, jock itch

> occasionally and constipation. When eating fruit I have mucus over

my

> stools but my transit time is slow so that does not help.

Yes, that does sound pretty yeast-y.

> Food wise I just eat meat and veg no starchy veg apart from

> occasional carrots. Supplement and probiotics are Vit C, E, Cod

liver

> oil, flax oil, and kirkman acidophilus. Not sure on kefir as you

say,

> I do seem to be more regular without it. My background is 1yr

candida

> diet, 6 months SCD diet. Did it take you long to overcome the

> candida/bacteria and was there anything in particular you think

> helped?

My yeast problems stem from antibiotic overuse (mostly from

preSCD). My bacteria problems were helped immediately with SCD but

after an abscessed tooth and antibiotics my yeast took off. I tried

many things reducing honey, limiting fruit somewhat, carrot and

garlic juice, rotating natural antifungals, prescription antifungals

but the best thing was antiyeast enzymes. I tried Candex but it is

hard to get into Canada, so I now use a Canadian enzyme that is very

similar (Candizyme). There are a number of different enzyme

treatments for yeast depending on where you live and what works for

you.

> I have not tried cooked fruit, I just thought it may be worse

because

> of it being cooked and then its without the natural enzymes? Am I

> wrong in this assumption do you think its easier better to digest

> cooked?

Yes, cooking fruit does make it easier to digest. And if you can

digest it then the yeasties can't use it. But, many find that they

have to reduce their honey intake and that some fruit are worse than

others with yeast. I do well with apples, pears, peaches now but

still have trouble having ripe banana. That's because my yeasties

have a feast on it. Other people with yeast may be okay with banana

but not the apple. What may help is to cut all fruit for a day and

then try the peeled cooked fruits one at a time to see how your

symptoms react. That way you will get a baseline of foods that work

for you that you can then build on.

Any other helpful hints etc with candida/bacteria would be

> greatly appreciated.

Also see " Yeast and SCD " and The " Carrot juice and garlic Remedy " at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos