Re: Started SCD...then constipation

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello listmates

>

> 2 days ago (Dec 8) we started the SCD with our 5 yo son. He's been on

> GFCFSoyFSugarFCornF diet for almost 1 year, the only offending foods

> he still ate until recently were potato, rice, and rice flour.

>

> We removed potato about 1 week ago, no problem, then on Dec 8 we

> removed rice/rice flour as well, and started to give him

> panckae/muffin etc made from walnut flour (can't eat almond nuts since

> phenol sensitivity).

>

My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your child on

the

introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as effctive.

It takes time

to supress the bad gut bacteria.

There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

Carol F.

SCD 5 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello listmates

>

> 2 days ago (Dec 8) we started the SCD with our 5 yo son. He's been on

> GFCFSoyFSugarFCornF diet for almost 1 year, the only offending foods

> he still ate until recently were potato, rice, and rice flour.

>

> We removed potato about 1 week ago, no problem, then on Dec 8 we

> removed rice/rice flour as well, and started to give him

> panckae/muffin etc made from walnut flour (can't eat almond nuts since

> phenol sensitivity).

>

My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your child on

the

introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as effctive.

It takes time

to supress the bad gut bacteria.

There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

Carol F.

SCD 5 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello listmates

>

> 2 days ago (Dec 8) we started the SCD with our 5 yo son. He's been on

> GFCFSoyFSugarFCornF diet for almost 1 year, the only offending foods

> he still ate until recently were potato, rice, and rice flour.

>

> We removed potato about 1 week ago, no problem, then on Dec 8 we

> removed rice/rice flour as well, and started to give him

> panckae/muffin etc made from walnut flour (can't eat almond nuts since

> phenol sensitivity).

>

My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your child on

the

introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as effctive.

It takes time

to supress the bad gut bacteria.

There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

Carol F.

SCD 5 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol

> My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your

child on the

> introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as

effctive. It takes time

> to supress the bad gut bacteria.

Do you where I can find the information of 'introductory diet'? I

searched the 'FILES' location but couldn't find it.

or is it in BTVC book?

> There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

> may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

>

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 5 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol

> My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your

child on the

> introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as

effctive. It takes time

> to supress the bad gut bacteria.

Do you where I can find the information of 'introductory diet'? I

searched the 'FILES' location but couldn't find it.

or is it in BTVC book?

> There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

> may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

>

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 5 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol

> My suggestion is to " clear the decks " and start over by putting your

child on the

> introductory diet. The rice and potato being removed alone is not as

effctive. It takes time

> to supress the bad gut bacteria.

Do you where I can find the information of 'introductory diet'? I

searched the 'FILES' location but couldn't find it.

or is it in BTVC book?

> There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

> may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

>

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.htm

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 5 years, celiac

>

[Guest guest]

Hi LJ,

Was this the first time for the enzymes?

(BTW: we also

> give him HNI's Zyme Prime and NO-FENOL).

>

> Could those symptoms caused by: 1) the inability to digest the

walnut?

Yes, it may be the skins on the walnuts or it could be die off.

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

> There is a constipation remedy on Elaine's website but it

> may only be for adults. Jody or Sheila please comment.

>

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/constipation.

htm

The constipation protocol is fine for children.

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi

> Do you where I can find the information of 'introductory diet'? I

> searched the 'FILES' location but couldn't find it.

> or is it in BTVC book?

It is in BTVC p69, 10th edition, also at

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_intro_diet2

..htm (dairy version)

or

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#intro (dairy free version)

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila, I will look into that remedy.

For the enzyme, it's not new and we've given him since long time ago

and he seems tolerating them.

Do you know if the mixed walnut/pecan made muffin could cause

constipation at the starting stage of SCD?

we didn't follow that introductory diet, we just removed potato, then

1 week later removed rice(The last ofending food)and added in this

nuts muffin, and then saw the constipation.

YL

[Guest guest]

Hi YL,

> Thanks Sheila, I will look into that remedy.

>

> For the enzyme, it's not new and we've given him since long time ago

> and he seems tolerating them.

>

> Do you know if the mixed walnut/pecan made muffin could cause

> constipation at the starting stage of SCD?

Some go through a kind of constipation during the change in diet. For

some it seems to be temporary and is just from an adjustment that the

body makes in the foods that are being eaten.

Die off symptoms can include fatigue, change in stools, vomiting,

sleeplessness, increased urination etc.

See http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

Some find epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal helpful.

> we didn't follow that introductory diet, we just removed potato, then

> 1 week later removed rice(The last ofending food)and added in this

> nuts muffin, and then saw the constipation.

If still having stomach aches I'd pull out the nut muffins, at least

for now.

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I hope that's the die-off symptom (his sleepness is also worsen:

waking up in earlier morning, which he seldomly had that before).

Meanwhile, do you think it's beneficial to give some natural

anti-fungal supplements to battle the yeast die-off, like GSE? (we're

regularly on probiotics but just asking of it's good to add in

anti-fungal as well.) thanks.

>

> Hi YL,

>

>

> > Thanks Sheila, I will look into that remedy.

> >

> > For the enzyme, it's not new and we've given him since long time ago

> > and he seems tolerating them.

> >

> > Do you know if the mixed walnut/pecan made muffin could cause

> > constipation at the starting stage of SCD?

>

> Some go through a kind of constipation during the change in diet. For

> some it seems to be temporary and is just from an adjustment that the

> body makes in the foods that are being eaten.

>

> Die off symptoms can include fatigue, change in stools, vomiting,

> sleeplessness, increased urination etc.

>

> See http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

>

> Some find epsom salt baths and/or activated charcoal helpful.

>

>

> > we didn't follow that introductory diet, we just removed potato, then

> > 1 week later removed rice(The last ofending food)and added in this

> > nuts muffin, and then saw the constipation.

>

> If still having stomach aches I'd pull out the nut muffins, at least

> for now.

>

> Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

Hi YL,

>Meanwhile, do you think it's beneficial to give some natural

anti-fungal supplements to battle the yeast die-off, like GSE? (we're

regularly on probiotics but just asking of it's good to add in

anti-fungal as well.) thanks.

You may want to hold off just a bit on the GSE and other natural antifungals

because that would likely increase die off and symptoms. When ready to start

them take a few hours apart from probiotics (including yogurt or other fermented

food) so they don't kill good bacteria.

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi YL,

>Meanwhile, do you think it's beneficial to give some natural

anti-fungal supplements to battle the yeast die-off, like GSE? (we're

regularly on probiotics but just asking of it's good to add in

anti-fungal as well.) thanks.

You may want to hold off just a bit on the GSE and other natural antifungals

because that would likely increase die off and symptoms. When ready to start

them take a few hours apart from probiotics (including yogurt or other fermented

food) so they don't kill good bacteria.

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi YL,

>Meanwhile, do you think it's beneficial to give some natural

anti-fungal supplements to battle the yeast die-off, like GSE? (we're

regularly on probiotics but just asking of it's good to add in

anti-fungal as well.) thanks.

You may want to hold off just a bit on the GSE and other natural antifungals

because that would likely increase die off and symptoms. When ready to start

them take a few hours apart from probiotics (including yogurt or other fermented

food) so they don't kill good bacteria.

Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 43 mos

[Guest guest]

thanks Sheila!

>

> Hi YL,

>

> >Meanwhile, do you think it's beneficial to give some natural

> anti-fungal supplements to battle the yeast die-off, like GSE? (we're

> regularly on probiotics but just asking of it's good to add in

> anti-fungal as well.) thanks.

>

> You may want to hold off just a bit on the GSE and other natural

antifungals because that would likely increase die off and symptoms.

When ready to start them take a few hours apart from probiotics

(including yogurt or other fermented food) so they don't kill good

bacteria.

>

>

> Sheila, SCD 58 mos, 21 yrs UC

> mom of , SCD 43 mos

>

>