Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

abundance of ways to detoxify.

mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

********************************************

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Elaine:

" I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

nutrients because of bowel problems. "

:

Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

Elaine:

Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

sytems to diet.

A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

(and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

eliminated via the urine.

The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

detoxify properly.

Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

correct all this.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

abundance of ways to detoxify.

mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

********************************************

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Elaine:

" I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

nutrients because of bowel problems. "

:

Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

Elaine:

Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

sytems to diet.

A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

(and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

eliminated via the urine.

The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

detoxify properly.

Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

correct all this.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

abundance of ways to detoxify.

mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

********************************************

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Elaine:

" I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

nutrients because of bowel problems. "

:

Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

Elaine:

Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

sytems to diet.

A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

(and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

eliminated via the urine.

The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

detoxify properly.

Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

correct all this.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

I have to comment on this! I just put a post a day or so ago wondering if

too many vitamins & nutrients can harm our bodies and asked if they were

water soluable. I actually asked how one would know if their child is

deficient. Well, this post explains that glutathione helps the body make

toxins and such water soluable through the P-450 system. If a child's

glutathione making process is knocked out how are these things excreted

through the body? I know several ASD children's tests that have come back

showing a very low levels of glutathione and/or cysteine levels. How can ASD

children detox if they have this problem and they are being pumped full of

supplements that their bodies hold onto for God knows how long? I guess I am

skeptical about doing my daughter more harm than good. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4

months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> abundance of ways to detoxify.

>

>

> mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

>

>

> ********************************************

> Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

> Elaine:

>

> " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

> nutrients because of bowel problems. "

>

> :

>

> Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

> they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

> malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

>

> I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

> Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

> alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

>

>

>

> Elaine:

>

> Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> sytems to diet.

>

> A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

> by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

> and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

> eliminated via the urine.

>

> The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

> have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

> increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

> also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

> detoxify properly.

>

> Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> correct all this.

>

> Elaine

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes and Yes!

Check out 's list of supplements. This whole diet for the ASD spectrum

population is not simple by any means...so many people have severe metabolic

imbalances, and you can't supplement the fact away, because even if there is

detox, there is still the quandry, what came first, the chicken or the egg, or

the predisposing of one to the other in a circle. Inherited genetic

vulnerability, pronounced through generations of selective environment, added to

a good dose of heavy metals or some other chemical, and poof, everything comes

offline in the nervous system, and even if it moves towards healing and coming

online again, detoxification pathways may still not have the upper limit of

capability to handle the ever increasing environmental toxins. ie There may be

reversion to a similar detoxification malfunction state again, with alot less

environmental assualt.

There's alot to this compromised detoxification pathway science, and I am only a

lay person trying to understand it. But I can say this with my own authority,

question everything that is recommended supplement wise. These doctors get in a

rut of thinking what they are prescribing is working, because it worked for a

couple of previous patients, or there is a short term benefit...the long term

has not been worked by any of the autism doctors, not the dumping chelation, the

extreme high amount of vitamins/minerals, etc. It has not. Furthermore, the

acknowledgement by all health communities that spectrum children are often

affected by air quality, water quality, and food quality (specifically,

pollution) the whole system would have to go out on a limb and change, from the

medical establishment, to big business, to the USDA, FDA, EPA, farming, all of

it.

We still don't know when and where detoxification pathways are first

affected...one's mother? So, to say that even conventional raised produce, or

common house hold chemicals have no affect on unborn fetus' in the future, who

can say, because very few are studying it. So, excusing my tangent, getting back

to diet and supplements, I think Elaine summed up some powerful detoxification

views, they really get you thinking. To my knowledge, there is absolutely no

verfiable point of change, and I would assume on my own point our ever

increasing environmental pollution (indoor or out) is making changes generation

to generation, that are not perceptable right away.

Summer

the link to 's

protocol.http://members.tripod.com/mueller_ranges/links/compendium/compendium.ht\

ml

Summer

Jim & Jennie jlessard@...> wrote:

I have to comment on this! I just put a post a day or so ago wondering if

too many vitamins & nutrients can harm our bodies and asked if they were

water soluable. I actually asked how one would know if their child is

deficient. Well, this post explains that glutathione helps the body make

toxins and such water soluable through the P-450 system. If a child's

glutathione making process is knocked out how are these things excreted

through the body? I know several ASD children's tests that have come back

showing a very low levels of glutathione and/or cysteine levels. How can ASD

children detox if they have this problem and they are being pumped full of

supplements that their bodies hold onto for God knows how long? I guess I am

skeptical about doing my daughter more harm than good. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4

months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> abundance of ways to detoxify.

>

>

> mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

>

>

> ********************************************

> Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

> Elaine:

>

> " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

> nutrients because of bowel problems. "

>

> :

>

> Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

> they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

> malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

>

> I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

> Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

> alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

>

>

>

> Elaine:

>

> Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> sytems to diet.

>

> A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

> by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

> and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

> eliminated via the urine.

>

> The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

> have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

> increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

> also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

> detoxify properly.

>

> Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> correct all this.

>

> Elaine

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Summer,

I wasn't sure by reading what you wrote if you answered my questions

about low glutathione levels in ASD children and the body needing it to make

ingestibles water soluable to get rid of excess vitamins, minerals,

supplements, foods, toxins etc. I need to know if it is a cause to be

concerned about? I've read a couple of posts where you talk about using

essential oils. If you know anything about using them please write me a

private email if you don't want to post it here. I have an aromatherapy book

and have started to learn more about it and am making some of my own stuff.

Thanks. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

>

> > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> >

> >

> > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> >

> >

> > ********************************************

> > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

> > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> >

> > :

> >

> > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

> > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

> > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> >

> > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

> > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

> > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> >

> >

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > sytems to diet.

> >

> > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

detoxification

> > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

mercury

> > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

are

> > eliminated via the urine.

> >

> > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

> > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

have

> > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

> > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

> > detoxify properly.

> >

> > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > correct all this.

> >

> > Elaine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I meant yes to it all. Yes, the body needs it. No, the body can't absorb it

from outside sources, yes it needs to make glutathione itself. Yes, the

detoxification systems are depressed, can get overloaded not only with

pesticides/insecticides/other chemicals but have a hard time handling iron,

copper, etc. Oversupplementation doesn't make sense, at least with most

supplements (there are exceptions). If your body can only absorb so much zinc or

copper at one time, and only with a certain combination of nutrients coming into

the daily diet, then upping zinc in a zinc poor child is not only NOT the

answer, it puts all the other rates of absorption of nutrients out of balance.

Originally, someone else posted about essential oils. While I use essential oils

for cleaning my house, and some natural pest control, and in some home-made

preperations (like eucalyptus bath oil when the kiddies get sick), I have no

further knowledge than that.

If you are talking about chelating with essential oils, I have no idea.

If you are considering chelation, please stop, listen and ask questions for a

long while. The offline metabolic processes need to come on line again, and

chelation can stir up and mobilize metals causing more damage, even if some are

excreted, and still doesn't help fix the way the body detoxifies. One thing is

for certain, the metabolic processes of these children is different, and

pinpointing the underlying causes, as much as possible, and not patching the

problem is indicated.

One of the most important tests that everyone with ASD children can take (in my

opinion) is a proper hair test to detect heavy metal, contamminate, and mineral

levels. I also think a good blood lead test, to show if there is any active

exposure to lead anywhere the child comes into contact with (babysitter

environments, dollar store plates, etc. can be unknown sources). The blood lead

test is free at local health departments in the United States. It will not show

previous exposures, as the body works to get lead out of the blood stream

quickly, often storing it in the bones, tissues and organs, but great to see if

there is any active exposure to address.

Looking at family history, family life style in all aspects, even to the amount

of mercury amalgams the mother had while pregnant, vaccination histories, etc.

I guess the bottom line is, it is not enough to get a supplement from a doctor,

even if the whole autism community is using it. It is really necessary to start

digging deeper, and looking at what areas can be worked on. The simple fact is,

the detoxification pathways need to be repaired, as best they can, and

supplements are only one corner of the picture.

So, yes, this issue is a cause to be concerned about. ANd yes, alot of these

kids will have different core problems, while many are the same. To put these

puzzles together there has to be some deep digging. Willy nilly supplementation

is dangerous, in my opinion, based on everything that Elaine has said, other

research I have read, 's opinions, etc.

There is not simple answer to your question, but it is yes.

I am about to go out of town, but you can email me, I know a little about

essential oils cleaning wise, healing warts, that kind of thing. I would love to

learn more too, so email me anytime.

Summer

Jim & Jennie jlessard@...> wrote:

Summer,

I wasn't sure by reading what you wrote if you answered my questions

about low glutathione levels in ASD children and the body needing it to make

ingestibles water soluable to get rid of excess vitamins, minerals,

supplements, foods, toxins etc. I need to know if it is a cause to be

concerned about? I've read a couple of posts where you talk about using

essential oils. If you know anything about using them please write me a

private email if you don't want to post it here. I have an aromatherapy book

and have started to learn more about it and am making some of my own stuff.

Thanks. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

>

> > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> >

> >

> > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> >

> >

> > ********************************************

> > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

> > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> >

> > :

> >

> > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

> > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

> > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> >

> > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

> > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

> > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> >

> >

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > sytems to diet.

> >

> > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

detoxification

> > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

mercury

> > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

are

> > eliminated via the urine.

> >

> > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

> > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

have

> > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

> > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

> > detoxify properly.

> >

> > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > correct all this.

> >

> > Elaine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I should have added this to the first paragragh, that oversupplementation

doesn't fix the body's inability to process the vitamin/mineral properly. The

ability to absorb, process, use up, and excrete are all very specific metabolic

processes that have become offline in spectrum children. The body keeps holding

onto stores of stuff, in an attempt to use it in some instances, or because the

malprocessing is so bad, it can't get rid of it. Do you see? Oversupplementing

makes the problem even deeper. The body needs glutathione, and so many people

use it, per doctors orders, even though the studies show it cannot hardly be

absorbed into the body, and what can, cannot be used by the body. So far, the

human body only recognizes and utilizes its own home-made glutathione. All these

side tangents I am raising is in connection with this whole offline metabolic

system. Glutathione is needed for processing of all sorts of things. It is

consistently referred to as the " master antioxidant " of the

body.

Gertrude Snicklegrove hunterdrake2001@...> wrote:Yes, I meant yes to it

all. Yes, the body needs it. No, the body can't absorb it from outside sources,

yes it needs to make glutathione itself. Yes, the detoxification systems are

depressed, can get overloaded not only with pesticides/insecticides/other

chemicals but have a hard time handling iron, copper, etc. Oversupplementation

doesn't make sense, at least with most supplements (there are exceptions). If

your body can only absorb so much zinc or copper at one time, and only with a

certain combination of nutrients coming into the daily diet, then upping zinc in

a zinc poor child is not only NOT the answer, it puts all the other rates of

absorption of nutrients out of balance.

Originally, someone else posted about essential oils. While I use essential oils

for cleaning my house, and some natural pest control, and in some home-made

preperations (like eucalyptus bath oil when the kiddies get sick), I have no

further knowledge than that.

If you are talking about chelating with essential oils, I have no idea.

If you are considering chelation, please stop, listen and ask questions for a

long while. The offline metabolic processes need to come on line again, and

chelation can stir up and mobilize metals causing more damage, even if some are

excreted, and still doesn't help fix the way the body detoxifies. One thing is

for certain, the metabolic processes of these children is different, and

pinpointing the underlying causes, as much as possible, and not patching the

problem is indicated.

One of the most important tests that everyone with ASD children can take (in my

opinion) is a proper hair test to detect heavy metal, contamminate, and mineral

levels. I also think a good blood lead test, to show if there is any active

exposure to lead anywhere the child comes into contact with (babysitter

environments, dollar store plates, etc. can be unknown sources). The blood lead

test is free at local health departments in the United States. It will not show

previous exposures, as the body works to get lead out of the blood stream

quickly, often storing it in the bones, tissues and organs, but great to see if

there is any active exposure to address.

Looking at family history, family life style in all aspects, even to the amount

of mercury amalgams the mother had while pregnant, vaccination histories, etc.

I guess the bottom line is, it is not enough to get a supplement from a doctor,

even if the whole autism community is using it. It is really necessary to start

digging deeper, and looking at what areas can be worked on. The simple fact is,

the detoxification pathways need to be repaired, as best they can, and

supplements are only one corner of the picture.

So, yes, this issue is a cause to be concerned about. ANd yes, alot of these

kids will have different core problems, while many are the same. To put these

puzzles together there has to be some deep digging. Willy nilly supplementation

is dangerous, in my opinion, based on everything that Elaine has said, other

research I have read, 's opinions, etc.

There is not simple answer to your question, but it is yes.

I am about to go out of town, but you can email me, I know a little about

essential oils cleaning wise, healing warts, that kind of thing. I would love to

learn more too, so email me anytime.

Summer

Jim & Jennie jlessard@...> wrote:

Summer,

I wasn't sure by reading what you wrote if you answered my questions

about low glutathione levels in ASD children and the body needing it to make

ingestibles water soluable to get rid of excess vitamins, minerals,

supplements, foods, toxins etc. I need to know if it is a cause to be

concerned about? I've read a couple of posts where you talk about using

essential oils. If you know anything about using them please write me a

private email if you don't want to post it here. I have an aromatherapy book

and have started to learn more about it and am making some of my own stuff.

Thanks. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

>

> > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> >

> >

> > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> >

> >

> > ********************************************

> > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

> > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> >

> > :

> >

> > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

> > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

> > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> >

> > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

> > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

> > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> >

> >

> >

> > Elaine:

> >

> > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > sytems to diet.

> >

> > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

detoxification

> > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

mercury

> > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

are

> > eliminated via the urine.

> >

> > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

> > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

have

> > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

> > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

> > detoxify properly.

> >

> > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > correct all this.

> >

> > Elaine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Summer,

I love to read all your long emails and want to thank you for all your

encouraging words and important info. Godspeed to you in your journey out of

town. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> >

> > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > >

> > >

> > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > >

> > >

> > > ********************************************

> > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead

to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like

an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when

we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet

and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do

not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I do know that the body uses 3 nutrients to make it's own glutathione.

Cysteine, glycine and glutamate. Cysteine can be found in peppers. I'm not

sure which foods have glycine & glutamate in them. Does anyone else? Jenn &

Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> >

> > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > >

> > >

> > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > >

> > >

> > > ********************************************

> > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead

to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like

an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when

we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet

and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do

not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to hog the discussion!

A person can take cysteine, glycine, and glutamate. A person may even have very

high cysteine levels in some cases. The question it comes down to, whether the

supplementation is faulty or not, is whether the body synthesize cysteine and

whether it can synthesize the glutathione once it is made.

Glutamate is also produced by the body, and found in foods such as dairy, breast

milk, fish, meat, all of one's main protein sources, and some vegetables. Food

derived glutamate, is a source of energy, I mean the number one source of energy

for the intestines. I would assume a malfunctionning digestive system would

possibly take up more of this energy then it should, but I am just SUPPOSING

here. The problem is with amino acid metabolism in spectrum/metal poisonned

people. If there is not proper break down of amino acids, it effects everything,

from the digestive process, to antioxidant formation, to neurotransmittors, etc.

You can't supplement glutamate and expect it to be used by the brain, for

instance. It cannot cross the blood brain barrier, and the brain itself has to

manufacture glutamate with amino acids and glutamate.

Studies have also shown that only 4% of dietary glutamate escapes the body.

Malfunctioning amino acid metabolism.

Glycine is consider non-essential amino in healthy people, but again, there is a

sometimes a huge deficiency in many spectrum people, along with people with

joint and skin problems. It is used for the manufacture of glucose in the body,

the main source of energy the brain runs on. It also helps with the second phase

of hepatic detoxification, in addition to its role to glutathione formation.

People with low stomach HCL (probably a good bunch, if not more of us here) have

a hard time digesting glycine. One of the most absorbable forms of glycine (IMO)

is from home-made broth and gelatine. It is also rich in proline and some other

stuff.

Foods high in cysteine are poultry, eggs, garlic, broccoli, onions in addition

to red pepper.

Anyway, enough rambling, it is another one of those things that points to the

choice of foods allowed on SCD turning out to be right on the money for all of

us.

Summer

I do know that the body uses 3 nutrients to make it's own glutathione.

Cysteine, glycine and glutamate. Cysteine can be found in peppers. I'm not

sure which foods have glycine & glutamate in them. Does anyone else? Jenn &

Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> >

> >

> > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > >

> > >

> > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > >

> > >

> > > ********************************************

> > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead

to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like

an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when

we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet

and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do

not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Summer,

Thank you. You are very informative. I love to learn. I try to soak it

all up like a sponge. Keep it coming everyone. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > >

> > > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ********************************************

> > > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things

like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do

the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead

> to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first

will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

> body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like

> an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out;

it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply

these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which

are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the

P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream

and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore,

when

> we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even

the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet

> and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do

> not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Your welcome!

I need to be packing, lol, but am taking a break. I've been cooking like mad for

this trip so we can be 100% SCD. So, I had said this before.

>>> You can't supplement glutamate and expect it to be used by the brain, for

instance. It cannot cross the blood brain barrier, and the brain itself has

to manufacture glutamate with amino acids and glutamate.<<<

Please excuse my hasty typing. What I meant to say was, the brain manufactures

its own glutamate from GLUCOSE and amino acids, as the brain needs glutamate,

but can't absorb any through the blood brain barrier.

Summer

Jim & Jennie jlessard@...> wrote:

Summer,

Thank you. You are very informative. I love to learn. I try to soak it

all up like a sponge. Keep it coming everyone. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > >

> > > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ********************************************

> > > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things

like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do

the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead

> to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first

will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

> body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like

> an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out;

it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply

these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which

are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the

P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream

and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore,

when

> we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even

the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet

> and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do

> not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

cilantro in food?

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

chlorella (green algae), and enzymes. I am concerned now that I may

be over supplementing him along with the SCD diet.

Thanks,

Darci

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

problems lead to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

the body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

certainly like an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

Therefore, when we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

American diet and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

we do not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

cilantro in food?

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

chlorella (green algae), and 50mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and enzymes.

I am concerned now that I may be over supplementing him along with

the SCD diet. If any of these supplements look like a bad idea, if

you could let me know that would be great.

Thanks,

Darci

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

problems lead to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

the body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

certainly like an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

Therefore, when we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

American diet and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

we do not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

cilantro in food?

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

chlorella (green algae), and 50mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and enzymes.

I am concerned now that I may be over supplementing him along with

the SCD diet. If any of these supplements look like a bad idea, if

you could let me know that would be great.

Thanks,

Darci

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

things like

> > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

absorbing

> > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > >

> > > :

> > >

> > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

fine...then

> > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

do the

> > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

problems lead to

> > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

creates the

> > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > >

> > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

first will

> > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

natural

> > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

the body?

> > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

certainly like an

> > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

issues of

> > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Elaine:

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

out; it

> > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

I have

> > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

apply these

> > > sytems to diet.

> > >

> > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> detoxification

> > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

which are

> > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

are

> mercury

> > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

the P-450

> > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

system is

> > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

a long

> > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

bloodstream and

> are

> > > eliminated via the urine.

> > >

> > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

is

> > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

Therefore, when we

> > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

when we

> have

> > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

even the

> > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

American diet and

> > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

we do not

> > > detoxify properly.

> > >

> > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

should

> > > correct all this.

> > >

> > > Elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have had my son's glutathione levels checked via a metabolic analysis

profile (urine sample) through Great Smokies. It will tell you if the

levels are low or not, among other things. My son's levels were low,

therefore are supplementing with glutathione.

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

>

> > Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

> > working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

> > speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

> > cilantro in food?

> >

> > Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

> > diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

> > things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

> > as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

> > chlorella (green algae), and enzymes. I am concerned now that I may

> > be over supplementing him along with the SCD diet.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Darci

> >

> > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine:

> > > > >

> > > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

> > things like

> > > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> > absorbing

> > > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > > >

> > > > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> > fine...then

> > > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

> > do the

> > > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

> > problems lead to

> > > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

> > creates the

> > > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

> > first will

> > > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

> > natural

> > > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

> > the body?

> > > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

> > certainly like an

> > > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

> > issues of

> > > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

> > feelings,

> > > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

> > out; it

> > > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

> > clinicans

> > > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

> > I have

> > > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

> > apply these

> > > > > sytems to diet.

> > > > >

> > > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > > detoxification

> > > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

> > which are

> > > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

> > herbicides

> > > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

> > are

> > > mercury

> > > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

> > the P-450

> > > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

> > system is

> > > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

> > glutathione

> > > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

> > a long

> > > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

> > bloodstream and

> > > are

> > > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > > >

> > > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

> > is

> > > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

> > system

> > > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

> > Therefore, when we

> > > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

> > when we

> > > have

> > > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

> > even the

> > > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

> > American diet and

> > > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

> > we do not

> > > > > detoxify properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

> > should

> > > > > correct all this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

> > the book

> > > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> > following

> > > > websites:

> > > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > > and

> > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have had my son's glutathione levels checked via a metabolic analysis

profile (urine sample) through Great Smokies. It will tell you if the

levels are low or not, among other things. My son's levels were low,

therefore are supplementing with glutathione.

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

>

>

> > Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

> > working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

> > speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

> > cilantro in food?

> >

> > Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

> > diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

> > things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

> > as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

> > chlorella (green algae), and enzymes. I am concerned now that I may

> > be over supplementing him along with the SCD diet.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Darci

> >

> > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine:

> > > > >

> > > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

> > things like

> > > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> > absorbing

> > > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > > >

> > > > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> > fine...then

> > > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

> > do the

> > > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

> > problems lead to

> > > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

> > creates the

> > > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

> > first will

> > > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

> > natural

> > > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

> > the body?

> > > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

> > certainly like an

> > > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

> > issues of

> > > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

> > feelings,

> > > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

> > out; it

> > > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

> > clinicans

> > > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

> > I have

> > > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

> > apply these

> > > > > sytems to diet.

> > > > >

> > > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > > detoxification

> > > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

> > which are

> > > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

> > herbicides

> > > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

> > are

> > > mercury

> > > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

> > the P-450

> > > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

> > system is

> > > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

> > glutathione

> > > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

> > a long

> > > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

> > bloodstream and

> > > are

> > > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > > >

> > > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

> > is

> > > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

> > system

> > > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

> > Therefore, when we

> > > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

> > when we

> > > have

> > > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

> > even the

> > > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

> > American diet and

> > > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

> > we do not

> > > > > detoxify properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

> > should

> > > > > correct all this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Elaine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

> > the book

> > > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> > following

> > > > websites:

> > > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > > and

> > > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I know that you can get glutathione and cysteine level tests through Great

Smokies Diagnostic lab. We want to get these for our daughter also. The

problem is that you need a Dr.'s script in order to obtain them and they

aren't covered by insurances. Although both of the tests together are under

$100 I believe. A friend told me about these necessary tests. Jenn & Kali

95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

> working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

> speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

> cilantro in food?

>

> Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

> diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

> things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

> as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

> chlorella (green algae), and enzymes. I am concerned now that I may

> be over supplementing him along with the SCD diet.

>

> Thanks,

> Darci

>

> Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

> things like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

> do the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

> problems lead to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

> creates the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

> first will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

> natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

> the body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

> certainly like an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

> issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

> feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

> out; it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

> clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

> I have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

> apply these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

> which are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

> herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

> are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

> the P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

> system is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

> glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

> a long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

> bloodstream and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

> is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

> system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

> Therefore, when we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

> when we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

> even the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

> American diet and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

> we do not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

> should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

> the book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I know that you can get glutathione and cysteine level tests through Great

Smokies Diagnostic lab. We want to get these for our daughter also. The

problem is that you need a Dr.'s script in order to obtain them and they

aren't covered by insurances. Although both of the tests together are under

$100 I believe. A friend told me about these necessary tests. Jenn & Kali

95% SCD 4 months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> Is there a test that you can do to see if a child's glutathione is

> working properly or not? Also when you discuss chelation are you

> speaking of more natural chelations like a clay bath once a week and

> cilantro in food?

>

> Correct me if I am wrong, but are you saying that by doing the SCD

> diet we are aiding the body to recovery so that it can process

> things properly. I do supplement my son with a multi vit. as well

> as a little cal/mag, cod liver oil, probiotic, and he is taking

> chlorella (green algae), and enzymes. I am concerned now that I may

> be over supplementing him along with the SCD diet.

>

> Thanks,

> Darci

>

> Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of

> things like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How

> do the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel

> problems lead to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT

> creates the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis

> first will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to

> natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in

> the body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would

> certainly like an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire

> issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

> feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way

> out; it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

> clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as

> I have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to

> apply these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds

> which are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

> herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which

> are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for

> the P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450

> system is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

> glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for

> a long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the

> bloodstream and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons

> is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

> system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet.

> Therefore, when we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut,

> when we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb

> even the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No.

> American diet and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.))

> we do not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly

> should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

> the book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Chlorella is not allowed on SCD.

Jody

mom to -6 and -9

SCD 32 months

[Guest guest]

Chlorella is not allowed on SCD.

Jody

mom to -6 and -9

SCD 32 months

[Guest guest]

Chlorella is not allowed on SCD.

Jody

mom to -6 and -9

SCD 32 months

[Guest guest]

IMO, the key is finding the individual catalysts, the problems that contribute

to the " cause " of the present state. All areas need to be analyzed and worked on

simultaneously. In my way of thinking, Elaine is excruciatingly right. However,

the individual puzzle of what came first, the chicken or the egg has to be

solved by each person. There are a number of ways to detoxify, and it is helpful

to pick one after the body startes moving to a state of health, and one

understands more of what affects them. If you have only been on SCD 1 week (at

least at the time of this pecanbread post), you have plenty of time to think and

research it. I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) Elaine recommended

being on the diet for 1 year before attempting any detoxification procedures.

This is because, just having heavy metals means your digestive system is

completely off. Whether it was a massive ingestion of the metals that damaged

the detoxification processes, or it was an accumulation of metals

AFTER the detoxification processes were ruined by a malnutritive state, the

fact is, you don't want to start releasing metals that mobilize into the blood

stream, then exit into the intestines/urinary tract, just to be reabsorbed right

back into the blood stream and when the body, after failing to get rid of it,

decides to store it elsewhere as quick as possible, more damage is caused then

initially. Elaine is absolutely right, repair of the digestive system is step

one to repairing all other systems. For the detoxification pathways to work

again, alot has to happen, more than I even understand yet. But, if you can't

get rid of the metals at all, it becomes the " Vicious Metal Cycle " . To stop That

cycle, the digestive system needs to heal to a better state of health.

This is my understanding of what Elaine said to , and I've applied this

understanding to us. The digestive system is the ground floor. Once that starts

healing, and working more efficiently, the necessary nutrients become available

for the detoxification systems, and the elimination organs become not so

permeable to allow every toxin the body tried to excrete to immediately take

refuge in the blood stream again.

This is just my own opinion/

Summer

nybargainfamily nybargainfamily@...> wrote:

This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

abundance of ways to detoxify.

mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

********************************************

Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Elaine:

" I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things like

mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not absorbing

nutrients because of bowel problems. "

:

Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are fine...then

they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do the

metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems lead to

malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates the

metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first will

restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the body?

Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly like an

alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard feelings,

anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

Elaine:

Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out; it

is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many clinicans

who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I have

said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply these

sytems to diet.

A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with detoxification

by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which are

injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and herbicides

which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are mercury

and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the P-450

detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system is

equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of glutathione

(and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a long

time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream and are

eliminated via the urine.

The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450 system

cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore, when we

have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when we have

increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even the

tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American diet and

also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we do not

detoxify properly.

Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

correct all this.

Elaine

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

>

> IMO, the key is finding the individual catalysts, the problems that contribute

to the

" cause " of the present state. All areas need to be analyzed and worked on

simultaneously.

In my way of thinking, Elaine is excruciatingly right. However, the individual

puzzle of

what came first, the chicken or the egg has to be solved by each person. There

are a

number of ways to detoxify, and it is helpful to pick one after the body startes

moving to a

state of health, and one understands more of what affects them. If you have only

been on

SCD 1 week (at least at the time of this pecanbread post), you have plenty of

time to think

and research it. I believe (please correct me if I am wrong) Elaine recommended

being on

the diet for 1 year before attempting any detoxification procedures.

I don't recall reading or hearing this but do know Elaine said not to take back

restricted

foods until one year AFTER all symptoms have disappeared.

Do you have the actual refernce as I would like to read it?

I also know a doctor in Kentucky dsicovered SCD detoxes as effectively as

chelation.

Detoxification starts during the die off period which can occur very soon for

some and

take longer for others.

Carol F.

SCD 5 years, celiac