Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

[Guest guest]

Hi Summer,

> No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to how

long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr after

the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut and

allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a letter

that is now on the BTVC site about it

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicit

y.htm

Sheila

[Guest guest]

hi sheila

im having trouble accessing these links?

thanks

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Summer,

> No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to how

long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr after

the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut and

allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a letter

that is now on the BTVC site about it

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicit

y.htm

Sheila

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

hi sheila

im having trouble accessing these links?

thanks

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Summer,

> No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to how

long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr after

the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut and

allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a letter

that is now on the BTVC site about it

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicit

y.htm

Sheila

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

hi sheila

im having trouble accessing these links?

thanks

emma

Sheila Trenholm sheilat@...> wrote:

Hi Summer,

> No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to how

long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr after

the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut and

allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a letter

that is now on the BTVC site about it

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicit

y.htm

Sheila

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

> Hi Summer,

>

> > No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

> year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

> lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

>

>

A search of Elaine's site under " chelation " reveals this:

" Many parents wish to pursue chelation for their children, but are unable to do

so because

of their inability to get their children's gut pathogens under control. "

Carol F.

SCD 5 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Hi Emma,

Yahoo breaks up the links if they are long.

If it is a long link that isn't fully highlighted it won't send you

to the correct place.

if you cut and paste it in your address bar you have to make sure

that all of it especially the end gets copied over before you

click " go " .

In other words you may have to cut and paste it in two parts to get

the address correct.

Sheila

>

> im having trouble accessing these links?

>

> thanks

>

>

> emma

>

> Sheila Trenholm wrote:

> Hi Summer,

>

> > No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

> year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am

wrong)

> lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

>

> I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to

how

> long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr

after

> the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

>

> Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut

and

> allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a

letter

> that is now on the BTVC site about it

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxic

it

> y.htm

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Opinionwise about detoxification, I absolutely agree with Elaine.

However, I posted my feelings about chelation therapy used before 1 year on the

SCDiet based on what Elaine said. It is the " Vicious Metal Cycle " she describes.

Alot of the mums and my own friends here on Pecanbread and HealingCrow are using

chelation therapy regardless, per their doctors orders. Waiting until the gut is

healed for one year only makes sense.

>>>

Hi Summer,

> No, I don't have the actual reference to Elaine saying to wait 1

year SCD prior to starting chelation therapy(correct me if I am wrong)

lol I have read it a couple times on this list though.

I believe that Elaine only mentioned the 1 yr span in relation to how

long before trying SCD illegals. And that it was: at least 1 yr after

the disappearance of the last symptom. (This is in BTVC)

Chelation therapy: I think that Elaine preferred healing the gut and

allowing it to naturally chelate on its' own. She sent in a letter

that is now on the BTVC site about it

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicit

y.htm

Sheila

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Buenos dias:

quisiera averiguar que medicos ven a sus hijos. Inicialmente lo vio el Dr.

Green en Portland y ahora el Dr. Berger, el problema es el costo. Quisiera

ver otras posibilidades.

Mil gracias

DORA INES ROA

-----Mensaje original-----

De: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ]En

nombre de Jim & Jennie

Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Septiembre de 2005 08:39 p.m.

Para: pecanbread

Asunto: Re: Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Summer,

Thank you. You are very informative. I love to learn. I try to soak it

all up like a sponge. Keep it coming everyone. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4

months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > >

> > > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ********************************************

> > > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things

like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do

the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems

lead

> to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates

the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first

will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

> body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly

like

> an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out;

it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I

have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply

these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which

are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the

P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system

is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a

long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream

and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore,

when

> we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when

we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even

the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American

diet

> and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we

do

> not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Buenos dias:

quisiera averiguar que medicos ven a sus hijos. Inicialmente lo vio el Dr.

Green en Portland y ahora el Dr. Berger, el problema es el costo. Quisiera

ver otras posibilidades.

Mil gracias

DORA INES ROA

-----Mensaje original-----

De: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ]En

nombre de Jim & Jennie

Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Septiembre de 2005 08:39 p.m.

Para: pecanbread

Asunto: Re: Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Summer,

Thank you. You are very informative. I love to learn. I try to soak it

all up like a sponge. Keep it coming everyone. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4

months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > >

> > > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ********************************************

> > > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things

like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do

the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems

lead

> to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates

the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first

will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

> body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly

like

> an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out;

it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I

have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply

these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which

are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the

P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system

is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a

long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream

and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore,

when

> we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when

we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even

the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American

diet

> and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we

do

> not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Buenos dias:

quisiera averiguar que medicos ven a sus hijos. Inicialmente lo vio el Dr.

Green en Portland y ahora el Dr. Berger, el problema es el costo. Quisiera

ver otras posibilidades.

Mil gracias

DORA INES ROA

-----Mensaje original-----

De: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ]En

nombre de Jim & Jennie

Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Septiembre de 2005 08:39 p.m.

Para: pecanbread

Asunto: Re: Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

Summer,

Thank you. You are very informative. I love to learn. I try to soak it

all up like a sponge. Keep it coming everyone. Jenn & Kali 95% SCD 4

months

Re: Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > >

> > >

> > > > This is very interesting to me - I have been so confused by the

> > > > abundance of ways to detoxify.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mom to Jack, SCD 1 week

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ********************************************

> > > > Elaine Gottschall Discusses Detoxification

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > " I have said again and again on this list, that levels of things

like

> > > > mercury, etc. will go out of whack if a person or child is not

> absorbing

> > > > nutrients because of bowel problems. "

> > > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > Let's say a person does not have excessive metals...they are

> fine...then

> > > > they incur poor gut health, colon problems, malabsorbtion. How do

the

> > > > metals accummulate then? Are you saying that the bowel problems

lead

> to

> > > > malnutrition so the body cannot detox properly and THAT creates

the

> > > > metals build-up??? This is very interesting for sure.

> > > >

> > > > I take you feel that fixing the bowel problem and dysbiosis first

will

> > > > restore proper nutrition and then the body would return to natural

> > > > functional detox and that will reduce the excessive metals in the

> body?

> > > > Sounds reasonable. Is this correct? Some people would certainly

like

> an

> > > > alternative to straight chelation... believe, the entire issues of

> > > > 'chelation' if swimming in controversy, disagreement, hard

feelings,

> > > > anxiety, and a bunch of unhappy campers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Elaine:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much for pursuing this. This explanation is not way out;

it

> > > > is basic biochemistry and physiology. It is accepted by many

clinicans

> > > > who understand the detoxification systems of the body, but as I

have

> > > > said, they are not trained sufficiently in biochemistry to apply

these

> > > > sytems to diet.

> > > >

> > > > A simple example of what I am talking about has to do with

> > detoxification

> > > > by the P-450 system of the liver. Many fat soluble compounds which

are

> > > > injurious to the body (fats/lipids in drugs, pesticides and

herbicides

> > > > which are fat soluble compounds, and heavy metals among which are

> > mercury

> > > > and lead, etc. etc. etc.) enter the body and were it not for the

P-450

> > > > detox system, they would remain and accumulate. The P-450 system

is

> > > > equipped to make them WATER SOLUBLE through the action of

glutathione

> > > > (and I have not studied the biochemistry of this compound for a

long

> > > > time) and when they are water-soluble, they enter the bloodstream

and

> > are

> > > > eliminated via the urine.

> > > >

> > > > The action of enzymes which require the transfer of electrons is

> > > > facilitated by Vitamin C. In fact, these enzymes of the P450

system

> > > > cannot work without sufficient Vitamin C in the diet. Therefore,

when

> we

> > > > have overgrowth of microbes (bacteria and yeast) in the gut, when

we

> > have

> > > > increased permeability because of them, when we do not absorb even

the

> > > > tiny amounts of nutrients in the high SAD (typical No. American

diet

> and

> > > > also the GF/CF diet with rice, corn, gluten free wheat, etc.)) we

do

> not

> > > > detoxify properly.

> > > >

> > > > Because SCD aids in returning the gut to health, we slowly should

> > > > correct all this.

> > > >

> > > > Elaine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book

> > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following

> > > websites:

> > > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > > and

> > > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > > >

> > > >