Re: Re: Vitamins (PRE-DIGESTED COLLAGEN)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steve I was so confused about all this.

Trisha Lanman

praying Dr. R. will help me to the other side soon!!!

Las Vegas NV

bmi 40

[Guest guest]

As a chemist, I can tell you that the term " digest " does not always refer to

the digestion of orgamisms (excrement). Pre-digested collagen (collagen is

a fibrous protein) probably means that it has pre-treated chemically

(probably with acid) so that it is already broken down into smaller units,

such as di- or tripeptides, or maybe even free amino acids, so that you can

absorb them. I'm sure the same applies to the ingredients in the pet food

you were referring to--they're miscellaneous chicken parts which are

chemically treated so that they form a soup that can be incorporated into

the doog food.

Pax,

Steve

>

> (1) " Pre-digested " to me means either it was " digested " by

> organisms (i.e., fermentation/rot) or it was eaten by something

> else (animal) first, and therefore if it is " predigested, " it is,

> well, poop.

>

> (2) The source of the collagen is not identified and a few

> years

> back, it was publicized that cosmetic companies were getting collagen

> from fetal tissue and placentas.

>

> [i also know for a fact that most dry dogfoods--read the labels--

> contain " chicken digest, " or " cow digest, " which is business

> doublespeak for poop, too, so don't think I'm being too imaginative

> here. And let's don't forget the horse-pee estrogen pills, either.].

>

> So, call me warped, but these two terms together, " predigested

> collagen, " with nothing more, conjured up a grim image for me, so I

> wrote the company and asked them:

>

> " (1) what source is the collagen (identify specifically what it

> comes from. I have heard of collagen being obtained from placentas

> --

> is that the source? If not, what is the source?); "

>

> " (2) How is it 'predigested?' The only way I can think of that

> something could be " predigested " would be if it is in fact excrement.

> Please explain. "

>

> The president wrote me back and said he didn't know but he'd find out

> (I posted his message day before yesterday).

>

> Now, yesterday, I got this response.

>

> Read it carefully because it *seems* to answer the questions, but it

> is a lot of spin and gloss. Nowhere does he ever say *what* the

> protein (collagen) is from, or how it is pre-digested (the fact that

> it is " done in a lab " and uses heat implies that it is probably a

> fermentation process, but he doesn't actually say). He just restates

> that it is a protein and is predigested.

>

>

> Subject: Vita4Life! Protein Response

> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:55:30 -0700

>

> To: lindat@...>

> CC: " Lantaff " kev@...>

>

> Hi -

>

> Goodness, do you ever present a morbid picture. Just kidding - Here

> is how it works:

>

> Essentially all of these steps are done artificially in the lab. The

> protein formula contains a predigested collagen Hydrosylate. Protein

> Hydrosylate is a solution which contains the amino acids derived from

> an artificially digested protein.

>

> It is through this process that the peptide chain is dissolved which

> allows for the body to begin the absorbtion process a step faster

> then

> usual. This also we believe based on our testing that many people

> who

> use our protein may ned to begin taking less with the positive lab

> results.

>

> Secondly, molecular weight is important for many reason to us, but

> for the Bariatric Patient it means that what you are digesting is a

> balance of essential and non-essential amino acids. Because our

> protein is digested artificiallly under very controlled conditions it

> is free of fat, carbohydrates and cholesterol unlike whey or soy

> based

> proteins and using a predigested collagen is an excellent choice for

> people who have allergic reactions with milk and soy products.

>

> Finally, we wanted to offer a product that offered a natural

> flavoring

> of which 5.5% of the sugar is natural honey and the remaining .5% is

> the artifically flavored and citric for fragrance along with the

> preservatives to protect the product. The artificial items are well

> below what the EPA recommends on a daily basis. Add to that the

> individual packets for portability and we believe we have one heck of

> a product for all to enjoy.

>

> Hope this helps - Greg Race

>

> ==============================================================

>

> So I wrote them again, saying, " Thank you. So where does the

> collagen

> come from? "

>

> I'll update this again if they ever give me an answer.

>

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

> webpage: http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

>

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Why, thanks! That's a great help! And it sure sounds a lot better.

Kind regards,

webpage: http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> As a chemist, I can tell you that the term " digest " does not always

refer to

> the digestion of orgamisms (excrement). Pre-digested collagen

(collagen is

> a fibrous protein) probably means that it has pre-treated chemically

> (probably with acid) so that it is already broken down into

smaller

units,

> such as di- or tripeptides, or maybe even free amino acids, so that

you can

> absorb them. I'm sure the same applies to the ingredients in the

pet food

> you were referring to--they're miscellaneous chicken parts which are

> chemically treated so that they form a soup that can be

incorporated

into

> the doog food.

>

> Pax,

> Steve

>

> >

> > (1) " Pre-digested " to me means either it was " digested " by

> > organisms (i.e., fermentation/rot) or it was eaten by something

> > else (animal) first, and therefore if it is " predigested, " it is,

> > well, poop.

> >

> > (2) The source of the collagen is not identified and a few

> > years

> > back, it was publicized that cosmetic companies were getting

collagen

> > from fetal tissue and placentas.

> >

> > [i also know for a fact that most dry dogfoods--read the labels--

> > contain " chicken digest, " or " cow digest, " which is business

> > doublespeak for poop, too, so don't think I'm being too

imaginative

> > here. And let's don't forget the horse-pee estrogen pills,

either.].

> >

> > So, call me warped, but these two terms together, " predigested

> > collagen, " with nothing more, conjured up a grim image for me, so

I

> > wrote the company and asked them:

> >

> > " (1) what source is the collagen (identify specifically what

it

> > comes from. I have heard of collagen being obtained from

placentas

> > --

> > is that the source? If not, what is the source?); "

> >

> > " (2) How is it 'predigested?' The only way I can think of that

> > something could be " predigested " would be if it is in fact

excrement.

> > Please explain. "

> >

> > The president wrote me back and said he didn't know but he'd find

out

> > (I posted his message day before yesterday).

> >

> > Now, yesterday, I got this response.

> >

> > Read it carefully because it *seems* to answer the questions, but

it

> > is a lot of spin and gloss. Nowhere does he ever say *what* the

> > protein (collagen) is from, or how it is pre-digested (the fact

that

> > it is " done in a lab " and uses heat implies that it is probably a

> > fermentation process, but he doesn't actually say). He just

restates

> > that it is a protein and is predigested.

> >

> >

> > Subject: Vita4Life! Protein Response

> > Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:55:30 -0700

> > From: " Greg Race "

> > To:

> > CC: " Lantaff "

> >

> > Hi -

> >

> > Goodness, do you ever present a morbid picture. Just kidding -

Here

> > is how it works:

> >

> > Essentially all of these steps are done artificially in the lab.

The

> > protein formula contains a predigested collagen Hydrosylate.

Protein

> > Hydrosylate is a solution which contains the amino acids derived

from

> > an artificially digested protein.

> >

> > It is through this process that the peptide chain is dissolved

which

> > allows for the body to begin the absorbtion process a step faster

> > then

> > usual. This also we believe based on our testing that many people

> > who

> > use our protein may ned to begin taking less with the positive

lab

> > results.

> >

> > Secondly, molecular weight is important for many reason to us,

but

> > for the Bariatric Patient it means that what you are digesting is

a

> > balance of essential and non-essential amino acids. Because our

> > protein is digested artificiallly under very controlled

conditions

it

> > is free of fat, carbohydrates and cholesterol unlike whey or soy

> > based

> > proteins and using a predigested collagen is an excellent choice

for

> > people who have allergic reactions with milk and soy products.

> >

> > Finally, we wanted to offer a product that offered a natural

> > flavoring

> > of which 5.5% of the sugar is natural honey and the remaining .5%

is

> > the artifically flavored and citric for fragrance along with the

> > preservatives to protect the product. The artificial items are

well

> > below what the EPA recommends on a daily basis. Add to that the

> > individual packets for portability and we believe we have one

heck

of

> > a product for all to enjoy.

> >

> > Hope this helps - Greg Race

> >

> > ==============================================================

> >

> > So I wrote them again, saying, " Thank you. So where does the

> > collagen

> > come from? "

> >

> > I'll update this again if they ever give me an answer.

> >

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> >

> > webpage: http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

> >

> > *************

> > L.A. Ventures - Webpages made your way!

> > http://www.fourlane.com/laventures

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------

> > ----------

> > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that

lets

> > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place.

> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/1/_/453517/_/957439569/

> > --------------------------------------------------------------

> > ----------

> >

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at

> > Onelist.com

> > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

> > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm

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