Re: re: Medicaid patients: Please Read 1 and all

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From O'Kelley

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O'Kelley

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My insurance will not pay either, So I have to fork over the money. because I

really want the surgery. I don't just have money laying around but I can't

expect the Doctor to do it for nothing. I have clients that expect that all

the time and it is not fair. OK you can think that he is in this for a cause

but in reality we all try to find a carrier that we love or can tolerate and

will make an income we can live with. When you start giving it away, then

everyone should get it free and if you pick and choose your are called

prejudice. So I feel bad for the Medicare patients, I feel bad for my family

that they have to give up things they want so I can be healthy, I don't mean

to sound cold because I am not! My heart really goes out to her, however you

cannot put all the blame on the Doctor. Remember it is the insurance company

that turned her down. If I could get Medicaid to flip most of the bill I

would be doing the snoopy dance and beg or barrow the rest. Sorry for

rambling!

Trisha Lanman

praying Dr. R. will help me to the other side soon!!!

Las Vegas NV

BMI 40

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My insurance will not pay either, So I have to fork over the money. because I

really want the surgery. I don't just have money laying around but I can't

expect the Doctor to do it for nothing. I have clients that expect that all

the time and it is not fair. OK you can think that he is in this for a cause

but in reality we all try to find a carrier that we love or can tolerate and

will make an income we can live with. When you start giving it away, then

everyone should get it free and if you pick and choose your are called

prejudice. So I feel bad for the Medicare patients, I feel bad for my family

that they have to give up things they want so I can be healthy, I don't mean

to sound cold because I am not! My heart really goes out to her, however you

cannot put all the blame on the Doctor. Remember it is the insurance company

that turned her down. If I could get Medicaid to flip most of the bill I

would be doing the snoopy dance and beg or barrow the rest. Sorry for

rambling!

Trisha Lanman

praying Dr. R. will help me to the other side soon!!!

Las Vegas NV

BMI 40

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Trish,

As I said in an earlier posting, I am actually the hyporthetical situation I

proposed to the group.

O'Kelley

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Dear RLSJRMWOKS@...,

Why are your postings anonymous?

Sincerely,

Genzel ( Genz )

RLSJRMWOKS@... wrote:

> In reference to the recent Medicaid posting and Dr. Rutledge's attitude:

> I read the post too, several times. From my understanding her insurance

> denied her the MGB/WLS. Then she was referred to Medicaid. Medicaid is

> secondary to her insurance. And besides, what does it matter as to whether

> it is Medicaid or not? Should Medicaid, Medicare, and Vocational Rehab

> patients not get same treatment as others? Is there something that would

> make them less important or less creditable? I have also to question the

> fact that Doctor's have a choice as to whether or not to accept Medicaid

> patients once they are so far into the process. Why advertise that you

> accept them, tell them they are approved, tell them the pay rate will be

> accepted, then tell them suddenly at the time of scheduling surgery, that he

> has decided not to do them? He plainly states that he would do the surgery

> for nothing because of how it helps people and makes them happy. Why would

> he say that in clinic in Jan of 2000? Then have the attitude in May of 2000

> that Medicaid doesn't pay enough for him. That is very contradictory, and

> very disconcerting to me.

>

> Let me pose a hypothetical situation:

> single mother of two, no support from ex-husband who is nowhere to be found

> for three years going on four, works in an office, has no benefits, takes

> every penny she can to raise her children and keep from being sucked into

> nothingness -

> So, as a last resort, they become Medicaid recipients. Is this person any

> less deserving of an MGB than the rest of the group?

> Are they to be faulted because they went through the MGB process and

> requirements understanding that they have Dr. R's approval and then to get

> the point of scheduling the surgery, being treated by the office staff as if

> a surgery date is within the next two weeks, only to be told instead that Dr.

> Rutledge is not going to do anymore Medicaid for 6 to 9 months because it

> doesn't pay him enough and he has patients with 'real' insurance that are

> more important.

>

> I really want to know is this person not as good as the rest of you? Should

> their approval go to waste while the good Dr. R tends to his more important

> patients with 'real ' insurance? What if Medicaid will not issue a stay on

> the approval to hold it, for the length of time that this person is

> unimportant or they will not issue a second approval because the first went

> unused, and therefore, disproved medical need for the patient? Where does

> this person turn to now?

>

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Dear RLSJRMWOKS@...,

Why are your postings anonymous?

Sincerely,

Genzel ( Genz )

RLSJRMWOKS@... wrote:

> In reference to the recent Medicaid posting and Dr. Rutledge's attitude:

> I read the post too, several times. From my understanding her insurance

> denied her the MGB/WLS. Then she was referred to Medicaid. Medicaid is

> secondary to her insurance. And besides, what does it matter as to whether

> it is Medicaid or not? Should Medicaid, Medicare, and Vocational Rehab

> patients not get same treatment as others? Is there something that would

> make them less important or less creditable? I have also to question the

> fact that Doctor's have a choice as to whether or not to accept Medicaid

> patients once they are so far into the process. Why advertise that you

> accept them, tell them they are approved, tell them the pay rate will be

> accepted, then tell them suddenly at the time of scheduling surgery, that he

> has decided not to do them? He plainly states that he would do the surgery

> for nothing because of how it helps people and makes them happy. Why would

> he say that in clinic in Jan of 2000? Then have the attitude in May of 2000

> that Medicaid doesn't pay enough for him. That is very contradictory, and

> very disconcerting to me.

>

> Let me pose a hypothetical situation:

> single mother of two, no support from ex-husband who is nowhere to be found

> for three years going on four, works in an office, has no benefits, takes

> every penny she can to raise her children and keep from being sucked into

> nothingness -

> So, as a last resort, they become Medicaid recipients. Is this person any

> less deserving of an MGB than the rest of the group?

> Are they to be faulted because they went through the MGB process and

> requirements understanding that they have Dr. R's approval and then to get

> the point of scheduling the surgery, being treated by the office staff as if

> a surgery date is within the next two weeks, only to be told instead that Dr.

> Rutledge is not going to do anymore Medicaid for 6 to 9 months because it

> doesn't pay him enough and he has patients with 'real' insurance that are

> more important.

>

> I really want to know is this person not as good as the rest of you? Should

> their approval go to waste while the good Dr. R tends to his more important

> patients with 'real ' insurance? What if Medicaid will not issue a stay on

> the approval to hold it, for the length of time that this person is

> unimportant or they will not issue a second approval because the first went

> unused, and therefore, disproved medical need for the patient? Where does

> this person turn to now?

>

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Dear RLSJRMWOKS@...,

Why are your postings anonymous?

Sincerely,

Genzel ( Genz )

RLSJRMWOKS@... wrote:

> In reference to the recent Medicaid posting and Dr. Rutledge's attitude:

> I read the post too, several times. From my understanding her insurance

> denied her the MGB/WLS. Then she was referred to Medicaid. Medicaid is

> secondary to her insurance. And besides, what does it matter as to whether

> it is Medicaid or not? Should Medicaid, Medicare, and Vocational Rehab

> patients not get same treatment as others? Is there something that would

> make them less important or less creditable? I have also to question the

> fact that Doctor's have a choice as to whether or not to accept Medicaid

> patients once they are so far into the process. Why advertise that you

> accept them, tell them they are approved, tell them the pay rate will be

> accepted, then tell them suddenly at the time of scheduling surgery, that he

> has decided not to do them? He plainly states that he would do the surgery

> for nothing because of how it helps people and makes them happy. Why would

> he say that in clinic in Jan of 2000? Then have the attitude in May of 2000

> that Medicaid doesn't pay enough for him. That is very contradictory, and

> very disconcerting to me.

>

> Let me pose a hypothetical situation:

> single mother of two, no support from ex-husband who is nowhere to be found

> for three years going on four, works in an office, has no benefits, takes

> every penny she can to raise her children and keep from being sucked into

> nothingness -

> So, as a last resort, they become Medicaid recipients. Is this person any

> less deserving of an MGB than the rest of the group?

> Are they to be faulted because they went through the MGB process and

> requirements understanding that they have Dr. R's approval and then to get

> the point of scheduling the surgery, being treated by the office staff as if

> a surgery date is within the next two weeks, only to be told instead that Dr.

> Rutledge is not going to do anymore Medicaid for 6 to 9 months because it

> doesn't pay him enough and he has patients with 'real' insurance that are

> more important.

>

> I really want to know is this person not as good as the rest of you? Should

> their approval go to waste while the good Dr. R tends to his more important

> patients with 'real ' insurance? What if Medicaid will not issue a stay on

> the approval to hold it, for the length of time that this person is

> unimportant or they will not issue a second approval because the first went

> unused, and therefore, disproved medical need for the patient? Where does

> this person turn to now?

>

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Very good! Now that will get everyone's attention!

> re: Medicaid patients: Please Read 1 and

> all

>

> In reference to the recent Medicaid posting and Dr. Rutledge's attitude:

> I read the post too, several times. From my understanding her insurance

> denied her the MGB/WLS. Then she was referred to Medicaid. Medicaid is

> secondary to her insurance. And besides, what does it matter as to

> whether

> it is Medicaid or not? Should Medicaid, Medicare, and Vocational Rehab

> patients not get same treatment as others? Is there something that would

> make them less important or less creditable? I have also to question the

> fact that Doctor's have a choice as to whether or not to accept Medicaid

> patients once they are so far into the process. Why advertise that you

> accept them, tell them they are approved, tell them the pay rate will be

> accepted, then tell them suddenly at the time of scheduling surgery, that

> he

> has decided not to do them? He plainly states that he would do the

> surgery

> for nothing because of how it helps people and makes them happy. Why

> would

> he say that in clinic in Jan of 2000? Then have the attitude in May of

> 2000

> that Medicaid doesn't pay enough for him. That is very contradictory, and

>

> very disconcerting to me.

>

> Let me pose a hypothetical situation:

> single mother of two, no support from ex-husband who is nowhere to be

> found

> for three years going on four, works in an office, has no benefits, takes

> every penny she can to raise her children and keep from being sucked into

> nothingness -

> So, as a last resort, they become Medicaid recipients. Is this person any

>

> less deserving of an MGB than the rest of the group?

> Are they to be faulted because they went through the MGB process and

> requirements understanding that they have Dr. R's approval and then to get

>

> the point of scheduling the surgery, being treated by the office staff as

> if

> a surgery date is within the next two weeks, only to be told instead that

> Dr.

> Rutledge is not going to do anymore Medicaid for 6 to 9 months because it

> doesn't pay him enough and he has patients with 'real' insurance that are

> more important.

>

> I really want to know is this person not as good as the rest of you?

> Should

> their approval go to waste while the good Dr. R tends to his more

> important

> patients with 'real ' insurance? What if Medicaid will not issue a stay

> on

> the approval to hold it, for the length of time that this person is

> unimportant or they will not issue a second approval because the first

> went

> unused, and therefore, disproved medical need for the patient? Where

> does

> this person turn to now?

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:

> http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/2/_/453517/_/958158526/

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>

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>

>

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I'll try not to flame, but I do have a comment. I am in the medical

proffesion, not a nurse, but an EMT and MHT and at this time my daughter

and I recieve Medicaid. You got it right on the money. I can't afford the

premiums out of my check and because of my weight it is hard for me to

work more than part time. Making ends meet is so difficult and I do

believe that those with an endless supply of money and insurance do get

better health care. I work in a psych hospital and I see people being

discharged all the time or sent to a horrible state hospital because

their insurance ran out. So to end my small two cents, please, please,

just remember that each and every one of us have a different situation

and different issues, but our goal is the same, no matter what road we

have to take to get there.

Thanks for listening,

Dee in NC

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