No real improvements yet - any advice plse

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat yogurt for

the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in his

behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on bifido

probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an improvement,

but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from there. Almost

the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've learnt the

bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe the

reason why we never gained any ground then.

Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be worsening

or promoting bacteria growth?

Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

What are you using as your yogurt starter? I think that in order to

see what might be going on, you'll also need to tell us more or less

what he's eating.

Cindy

> Hi,

> Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat yogurt

for

> the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in his

> behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on bifido

> probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

improvement,

> but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from there.

Almost

> the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've learnt

the

> bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe the

> reason why we never gained any ground then.

> Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

worsening

> or promoting bacteria growth?

> Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm using the Custom Priobiotic starter, because it was the only non-

diary starter which I could get to South Africa.

Because his symptoms have not decreased much, his foods are still

very basic:

Butter nut, gem squash, pumpkin, carrots, marrows, patty pans, spinach

(all boiled, steamed or microwaved)

Lean mince, free range chicken, hake fish fillets, lamb chops

(all baked, except mince is fried in olive oil)

Golden Delicious Apples (cooked) - he is not wanting to eat them at

present

Ripe bananas (raw)

Eggs (Omega 3 & Free range)

Banana bread, chicken pancakes & nuts (not too often, does not always

digest them so well, but helps to keep his stools moving) (snacks)

Pear juice & filtered water (liquids)

Salt, pepper & mixed herbs (seasonings)

I feel sorry for him, because his diet is so limited..

Thanks

> > Hi,

> > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat yogurt

> for

> > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in

his

> > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on bifido

> > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> improvement,

> > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from there.

> Almost

> > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've learnt

> the

> > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe the

> > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> worsening

> > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > Thanks

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm using the Custom Priobiotic starter, because it was the only non-

diary starter which I could get to South Africa.

Because his symptoms have not decreased much, his foods are still

very basic:

Butter nut, gem squash, pumpkin, carrots, marrows, patty pans, spinach

(all boiled, steamed or microwaved)

Lean mince, free range chicken, hake fish fillets, lamb chops

(all baked, except mince is fried in olive oil)

Golden Delicious Apples (cooked) - he is not wanting to eat them at

present

Ripe bananas (raw)

Eggs (Omega 3 & Free range)

Banana bread, chicken pancakes & nuts (not too often, does not always

digest them so well, but helps to keep his stools moving) (snacks)

Pear juice & filtered water (liquids)

Salt, pepper & mixed herbs (seasonings)

I feel sorry for him, because his diet is so limited..

Thanks

> > Hi,

> > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat yogurt

> for

> > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in

his

> > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on bifido

> > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> improvement,

> > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from there.

> Almost

> > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've learnt

> the

> > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe the

> > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> worsening

> > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > Thanks

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that the

vegetables he's eating are really high in phenols (pumpkin, squash,

carrots, etc.). Phenols are often really hard for these kids to

process - they make some kids really aggressive, others hyper. Is

this what you see in your son? Sometimes it causes red ears and

cheeks after eating... Is he taking enzymes with his food?

I find my daughter's like an onion. You solve one problem, thus

peeling back a layer, only to find another issue/layer that needs

attention...

Just a thought. Maybe one of the super-gurus can give their 2 cents

worth too, specifically on the dysbiosis piece of it.

Cindy

> > > Hi,

> > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

yogurt

> > for

> > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in

> his

> > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

bifido

> > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > improvement,

> > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

there.

> > Almost

> > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

learnt

> > the

> > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

the

> > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > worsening

> > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that the

vegetables he's eating are really high in phenols (pumpkin, squash,

carrots, etc.). Phenols are often really hard for these kids to

process - they make some kids really aggressive, others hyper. Is

this what you see in your son? Sometimes it causes red ears and

cheeks after eating... Is he taking enzymes with his food?

I find my daughter's like an onion. You solve one problem, thus

peeling back a layer, only to find another issue/layer that needs

attention...

Just a thought. Maybe one of the super-gurus can give their 2 cents

worth too, specifically on the dysbiosis piece of it.

Cindy

> > > Hi,

> > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

yogurt

> > for

> > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in

> his

> > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

bifido

> > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > improvement,

> > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

there.

> > Almost

> > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

learnt

> > the

> > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

the

> > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > worsening

> > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that the

vegetables he's eating are really high in phenols (pumpkin, squash,

carrots, etc.). Phenols are often really hard for these kids to

process - they make some kids really aggressive, others hyper. Is

this what you see in your son? Sometimes it causes red ears and

cheeks after eating... Is he taking enzymes with his food?

I find my daughter's like an onion. You solve one problem, thus

peeling back a layer, only to find another issue/layer that needs

attention...

Just a thought. Maybe one of the super-gurus can give their 2 cents

worth too, specifically on the dysbiosis piece of it.

Cindy

> > > Hi,

> > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

yogurt

> > for

> > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement in

> his

> > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

bifido

> > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > improvement,

> > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

there.

> > Almost

> > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

learnt

> > the

> > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

the

> > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > worsening

> > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

He can be a bit hyper from time to time, but I have'nt see any link

between the hyperactivity and the veggies. For ex. he can wake up and

be relatively calm, eat breakfast & then become hyper. But on other

days he eats the same breakfast & does not become hyper..I've kept a

food journal previously & also from close observation over the yrs,

there have been very few foods that we can pinpoint as culprits.

I did try Kirkman enzymes a while back, but he reacted badly on them,

so we stopped. I must say that since being on the yogurt his dark

rings under his eyes have virtually gone, so this is an

improvement... What other veggies without phenols can you suggest?

Thanks

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

> yogurt

> > > for

> > > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement

in

> > his

> > > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

> bifido

> > > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > > improvement,

> > > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

> there.

> > > Almost

> > > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

> learnt

> > > the

> > > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

> the

> > > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > > worsening

> > > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

He can be a bit hyper from time to time, but I have'nt see any link

between the hyperactivity and the veggies. For ex. he can wake up and

be relatively calm, eat breakfast & then become hyper. But on other

days he eats the same breakfast & does not become hyper..I've kept a

food journal previously & also from close observation over the yrs,

there have been very few foods that we can pinpoint as culprits.

I did try Kirkman enzymes a while back, but he reacted badly on them,

so we stopped. I must say that since being on the yogurt his dark

rings under his eyes have virtually gone, so this is an

improvement... What other veggies without phenols can you suggest?

Thanks

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

> yogurt

> > > for

> > > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement

in

> > his

> > > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

> bifido

> > > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > > improvement,

> > > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

> there.

> > > Almost

> > > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

> learnt

> > > the

> > > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

> the

> > > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > > worsening

> > > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

He can be a bit hyper from time to time, but I have'nt see any link

between the hyperactivity and the veggies. For ex. he can wake up and

be relatively calm, eat breakfast & then become hyper. But on other

days he eats the same breakfast & does not become hyper..I've kept a

food journal previously & also from close observation over the yrs,

there have been very few foods that we can pinpoint as culprits.

I did try Kirkman enzymes a while back, but he reacted badly on them,

so we stopped. I must say that since being on the yogurt his dark

rings under his eyes have virtually gone, so this is an

improvement... What other veggies without phenols can you suggest?

Thanks

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

> yogurt

> > > for

> > > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement

in

> > his

> > > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

> bifido

> > > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > > improvement,

> > > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

> there.

> > > Almost

> > > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

> learnt

> > > the

> > > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

> the

> > > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > > worsening

> > > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

He can be a bit hyper from time to time, but I have'nt see any link

between the hyperactivity and the veggies. For ex. he can wake up and

be relatively calm, eat breakfast & then become hyper. But on other

days he eats the same breakfast & does not become hyper..I've kept a

food journal previously & also from close observation over the yrs,

there have been very few foods that we can pinpoint as culprits.

I did try Kirkman enzymes a while back, but he reacted badly on them,

so we stopped. I must say that since being on the yogurt his dark

rings under his eyes have virtually gone, so this is an

improvement... What other veggies without phenols can you suggest?

Thanks

> > > > Hi,

> > > > Josh has been on SCD since end March 05 & on the 24hr goat

> yogurt

> > > for

> > > > the last 2 1/5 weeks. We have not noticed much improvement

in

> > his

> > > > behaviour since implementing these things. When he was on

> bifido

> > > > probiotics, symptoms worsened & we waited, anticipating an

> > > improvement,

> > > > but he just seemed to almost get " stuck " & not move from

> there.

> > > Almost

> > > > the same has happened with SCD & yogurt. From what I've

> learnt

> > > the

> > > > bifido is not good & can promote bacteria growth & thus maybe

> the

> > > > reason why we never gained any ground then.

> > > > Is it possible that the bacteria in the SCD yogurt could be

> > > worsening

> > > > or promoting bacteria growth?

> > > > Any advice or comments would be appreciated.

> > > > Thanks

> > > >