Re: how do we know when our yeast overgrowth is eliminated?

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

> I've been taking one Candex before bedtime, and I do notice that my

stools have been a little sandy the next day.

Are you using nut flour/butter..?

Some have reported sandy stools and they " seem " to be related to

yeast die off.

see these threads on the topic:

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258543#258543

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258864#258864

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=248584#248584

> I'm assuming the sandiness is a sign that there is still yeast die-

off, and so I still must have a yeast overgrowth, even though I don't

have any symptoms that I know of of a yeast overgrowth.

>

> My question is: when the yeast overgrowth is eliminated, will the

stools stop being sandy even if I continue to take Candex?

It shouldn't unless some other overgrowth is contributing to the

sandy like stools (thought to be bile salts).

>

> Is my above thinking correct? how will I know if I still have a

yeast overgrowth?

In one of the above threads it was reported that the child continued

to have sandy stools (which indicated die off since no nut flour)

until the fourth month and then they stopped. So, when the sandiness

clears up you are probably getting pretty clear of the overgrowth -

keeping in mind that you'll continue to have yeast and bacteria in

your body but what you are looking for is a good balance of them.

>

> I know that there are stool and urine tests for yeast, but I really

don't want to take them. I'd rather understand the biological

symptoms, and learn to read my own body (it's also cheaper). Also,

the stool tests, I've heard, have a 50% error rate, and often don't

show an overgrowth, even when there is one.

>

Since you don't have other yeast symptoms you'll have to go with

yours which is sandy stools. My curiousity: Did you take the 4

capsules/day ramping up and down as the directions suggest or have

you just been doing 1 /day? (I am taking candizyme which is similar.)

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I haven't yet tried any products that have nut flour (sounded like too much

work!), although very occasionally I'll make the peanut butter brownies, or

have the cashew cookie bar made by Larabar. I'll have the sandy stools,

though, after having taken Candex, even if I haven't had any nut products in

several days, so I'm assuming they're related to the Candex and not the nut

product. Could I be wrong?

So far, I've only taken 1 Candex a day. I know the box says go up to 4, but

since I don't seem to have any huge things that are bothering me that I

thought were related to yeast, I figured I'd stick with just one per day

until I use up the box. Is this okay? Should I work up to taking the whole 4

per day?

I've heard that some folks don't use anything for yeast except SCD itself,

so I figured not doing too much with the Candex was okay. I bought it a year

and a half ago, and recently discovered it unused at the back of one of my

cabinets, and just figured I'd take it until it was gone since I had it, and

then be done with it.

Thanks for your help,

Marilyn

leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenal, SCD 7 weeks

Re: how do we know when our yeast overgrowth is

eliminated?

> Hi Marilyn,

>

>> I've been taking one Candex before bedtime, and I do notice that my

> stools have been a little sandy the next day.

>

> Are you using nut flour/butter..?

>

> Some have reported sandy stools and they " seem " to be related to

> yeast die off.

> see these threads on the topic:

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258543#258543

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258864#258864

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=248584#248584

>

>> I'm assuming the sandiness is a sign that there is still yeast die-

> off, and so I still must have a yeast overgrowth, even though I don't

> have any symptoms that I know of of a yeast overgrowth.

>>

>> My question is: when the yeast overgrowth is eliminated, will the

> stools stop being sandy even if I continue to take Candex?

>

> It shouldn't unless some other overgrowth is contributing to the

> sandy like stools (thought to be bile salts).

>>

>> Is my above thinking correct? how will I know if I still have a

> yeast overgrowth?

>

> In one of the above threads it was reported that the child continued

> to have sandy stools (which indicated die off since no nut flour)

> until the fourth month and then they stopped. So, when the sandiness

> clears up you are probably getting pretty clear of the overgrowth -

> keeping in mind that you'll continue to have yeast and bacteria in

> your body but what you are looking for is a good balance of them.

>

>>

>> I know that there are stool and urine tests for yeast, but I really

> don't want to take them. I'd rather understand the biological

> symptoms, and learn to read my own body (it's also cheaper). Also,

> the stool tests, I've heard, have a 50% error rate, and often don't

> show an overgrowth, even when there is one.

>>

>

> Since you don't have other yeast symptoms you'll have to go with

> yours which is sandy stools. My curiousity: Did you take the 4

> capsules/day ramping up and down as the directions suggest or have

> you just been doing 1 /day? (I am taking candizyme which is similar.)

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I should have read the three posts you had listed below before replying. I

just read them, and they seem to say that the sandy stools have something to

do with bile salts. I don't know what this means. What are bile salts, and

is this a good or bad thing?

I've also read that it's best when stool float on the surface. Mine

definitely sink right to the bottom and stay there. I think I've read that

when they sink, it means that fat is not being absorbed properly. It makes

sense to me that since fat is less dense than water, that a stool that

contains fat would float on the surface. Does the fact that mine sink to the

bottom mean that my body is hanging onto the fat and not absorbing it in the

stools and sending it out of my body? If so, would digestive enzymes handle

this?

Thanks again for all your valuable help,

Marilyn

leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenal, SCD 7 weeks

Re: how do we know when our yeast overgrowth is

eliminated?

> Hi Marilyn,

>

>> I've been taking one Candex before bedtime, and I do notice that my

> stools have been a little sandy the next day.

>

> Are you using nut flour/butter..?

>

> Some have reported sandy stools and they " seem " to be related to

> yeast die off.

> see these threads on the topic:

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258543#258543

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=258864#258864

> http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=248584#248584

>

>> I'm assuming the sandiness is a sign that there is still yeast die-

> off, and so I still must have a yeast overgrowth, even though I don't

> have any symptoms that I know of of a yeast overgrowth.

>>

>> My question is: when the yeast overgrowth is eliminated, will the

> stools stop being sandy even if I continue to take Candex?

>

> It shouldn't unless some other overgrowth is contributing to the

> sandy like stools (thought to be bile salts).

>>

>> Is my above thinking correct? how will I know if I still have a

> yeast overgrowth?

>

> In one of the above threads it was reported that the child continued

> to have sandy stools (which indicated die off since no nut flour)

> until the fourth month and then they stopped. So, when the sandiness

> clears up you are probably getting pretty clear of the overgrowth -

> keeping in mind that you'll continue to have yeast and bacteria in

> your body but what you are looking for is a good balance of them.

>

>>

>> I know that there are stool and urine tests for yeast, but I really

> don't want to take them. I'd rather understand the biological

> symptoms, and learn to read my own body (it's also cheaper). Also,

> the stool tests, I've heard, have a 50% error rate, and often don't

> show an overgrowth, even when there is one.

>>

>

> Since you don't have other yeast symptoms you'll have to go with

> yours which is sandy stools. My curiousity: Did you take the 4

> capsules/day ramping up and down as the directions suggest or have

> you just been doing 1 /day? (I am taking candizyme which is similar.)

>

> Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

> I haven't yet tried any products that have nut flour (sounded like

too much

> work!), although very occasionally I'll make the peanut butter

brownies, or

> have the cashew cookie bar made by Larabar. I'll have the sandy

stools,

> though, after having taken Candex, even if I haven't had any nut

products in

> several days, so I'm assuming they're related to the Candex and

not the nut

> product. Could I be wrong?

Sounds like die off (bile salts) from taking Candex.

> So far, I've only taken 1 Candex a day. I know the box says go up

to 4, but

> since I don't seem to have any huge things that are bothering me

that I

> thought were related to yeast, I figured I'd stick with just one

per day

> until I use up the box. Is this okay? Should I work up to taking

the whole 4

> per day?

Since you don't have major symptoms, just some sandy stools, you may

be fine with 1/day. It may take longer to stabilize your yeast but

will probably still get you there - along with the SCD of course

Sheila, SCD 57 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 42 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

> I should have read the three posts you had listed below before

replying. I

> just read them, and they seem to say that the sandy stools have

something to

> do with bile salts. I don't know what this means. What are bile

salts, and

> is this a good or bad thing?

Well, you are getting the yeasties down to a better level so it's a

good thing.

Read these:

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=247208#247208

http://lyris.dundee.net/read/messages?id=266103#266103

> I've also read that it's best when stool float on the surface.

Mine

> definitely sink right to the bottom and stay there. I think I've

read that

> when they sink, it means that fat is not being absorbed properly.

It makes

> sense to me that since fat is less dense than water, that a stool

that

> contains fat would float on the surface. Does the fact that mine

sink to the

> bottom mean that my body is hanging onto the fat and not absorbing

it in the

> stools and sending it out of my body? If so, would digestive

enzymes handle

> this?

I think you have it backwards. The floaters can indicate

malabsorption problems or gas in the stool. The sinkers are good..

see http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/print/ency/article/003128.htm

Sheila