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At 09:53 22.04.99 -0700, <wingnut@...> wrote:

>I have a friend whose mother has cancer and asked me to attempt to locate

an address for Dr. Hulda . Do you know of one? Let me know if you

have one, thanks. ~~~

I do not know, but i am sure that web master of this site knows that:

Hulda site in Swiss:

http://www..ch

which is the home page of Dr. Research Association. It is also a very

good source for ordering the parasite herbs plus the other things needed to

do the various handlings.

Dusan Stojkovic

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Hello, Joyce, is it possible to order a vidio of Dr. 's Ft.

talk? I am very interested in any updated information from her and am so

glad she is able to speak out on the injustices done on anyone attempting

to heal Cancer in America. I attribute my 95% cured multiple Myeloma to

her. I am unable to travel due to complications from fractured Lumbar

vetebras/severe Osteoperossis disabilities. Just obtain a Vidio for me and

I will send credit card info or ck. Thanks, Liz , R.N.,C.O.H.N. ,Ret.

At 11:34 AM 10/23/1999 -0700, you wrote:

>

>http://hills.cccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01

>

>Dr. has had great success in treating cancer (she was recently

>jailed, and is awaiting trial), but will be speaking. Go to see her if

>you cn make it.

>

>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:14:17 EDT

>From: Jwtrader@...

>rife-list@...

>Subject: [RF]: Dr. Hulda 's 1st USA Public Lecture - NOW

>

>Dr. Hulda 's 1st USA Public Lecture - NOW

>Update by Tim Bolen: Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999:

>

>Please forward this to everyone you know in the local area and within

>driving distance whether you can come or not. Tell them to do the same to

>everyone they know. Dr. , just yesterday, was given approval to be

>in Ft. this week.

>

>She is speaking Friday at the 10th International Forum on New Science.

>Special Presentation:

>

>HULDA CLARK, PH.D., N.D.

>International Author and Alternative Healer

>Friday: October 22, 1999, 7:00 P.M.

>WORKSHOP: 8:10 P.M. -10:10 P.M.

>

> $20.00

>COMBINATION LECTURE AND WORKSHOP $30.00

>THIS IS THE FIRST EVER PUBLIC LECTURE IN THE U.S. FOR

>DR. CLARK

>*The Forum is taking place now from October 21-24, 1999. For additional

>information, call (970)-482-3731. More information on the Forum is

>available

>at

>

>www.newsciences.org.

>The 10th Annual International Forum on New Science will be held

>~ October 21 through 24, 1999

>~ Holiday Inn, North, Fort , Colorado

>~ Call 970-484-4660 for room rate

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You might want to ask those carrying her products at " Dr. Research

Association " or the " Self Resourch Center " at:

http://www..ch/hiv/hiv_frame.htm

http://www.concentric.net/~Healthy/

or call the numbers at the bottom of this page where she will be speaking.

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, wrote:

> Hello, Joyce, is it possible to order a vidio of Dr. 's Ft.

> talk? I am very interested in any updated information from her and am so

> glad she is able to speak out on the injustices done on anyone attempting

> to heal Cancer in America. I attribute my 95% cured multiple Myeloma to

> her. I am unable to travel due to complications from fractured Lumbar

> vetebras/severe Osteoperossis disabilities. Just obtain a Vidio for me and

> I will send credit card info or ck. Thanks, Liz , R.N.,C.O.H.N. ,Ret.

>

> At 11:34 AM 10/23/1999 -0700, you wrote:

> >

> >http://hills.cccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01

> >

> >Dr. has had great success in treating cancer (she was recently

> >jailed, and is awaiting trial), but will be speaking. Go to see her if

> >you cn make it.

> >

> >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:14:17 EDT

> >From: Jwtrader@...

> >rife-list@...

> >Subject: [RF]: Dr. Hulda 's 1st USA Public Lecture - NOW

> >

> >Dr. Hulda 's 1st USA Public Lecture - NOW

> >Update by Tim Bolen: Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1999:

> >

> >Please forward this to everyone you know in the local area and within

> >driving distance whether you can come or not. Tell them to do the same to

> >everyone they know. Dr. , just yesterday, was given approval to be

> >in Ft. this week.

> >

> >She is speaking Friday at the 10th International Forum on New Science.

> >Special Presentation:

> >

> >HULDA CLARK, PH.D., N.D.

> >International Author and Alternative Healer

> >Friday: October 22, 1999, 7:00 P.M.

> >WORKSHOP: 8:10 P.M. -10:10 P.M.

> >

> > $20.00

> >COMBINATION LECTURE AND WORKSHOP $30.00

> >THIS IS THE FIRST EVER PUBLIC LECTURE IN THE U.S. FOR

> >DR. CLARK

> >*The Forum is taking place now from October 21-24, 1999. For additional

> >information, call (970)-482-3731. More information on the Forum is

> >available

> >at

> >

> >www.newsciences.org.

> >The 10th Annual International Forum on New Science will be held

> >~ October 21 through 24, 1999

> >~ Holiday Inn, North, Fort , Colorado

> >~ Call 970-484-4660 for room rate

> >

> >

> >

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Dear jsr,

What makes you think Hulda is interested in any cancer cure you think

you may have. Are you interested in HER cancer cures, and willing to forget

about YOURS?? Of course not. All these alternative docs and proponents of

specific treatments are only interested in their own litttle niche, whether

it's ego trip or market share, same as the establishment.

The only benefit to the public at large is that most ANY of these alternative

methods are less permanently harmful to the body than the traditional

surgery, chemo and radiation; unless you happen to hit upon a totally useless

method, and therefore waste valuable time in getting effective treatment.

Rosy

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I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -

since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.

What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was overturned

is that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested by

acceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initial

trial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that the

materials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you put

that in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appeals

court!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific pollutants

in the products in question.

I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of years

ago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able to

become somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind test,

I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could have

gotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You are

quite quick to condemn!

Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of her

doctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)

say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it is

incurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to extend

life and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currently

costs about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M D

last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000

minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that statistically

has no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medical

establishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company's

money during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainly

makes on wonder who are the charlatans.

One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,

until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australia

after all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)

discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in the

stomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort to

subterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over 90%

of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than the

new method that is a cure. Perhaps that should be a caution to every one on

this forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in the

stomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. There

certainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from ulcers.

I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How many

discoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more open

minds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways of

treating it?

I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot about

the human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainly

produce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been to

eliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance, I

always had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of the

zapper, both cleared up for good.

I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to duplicate

her results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove her

wrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her. As a spouse who

is watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods because

her reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the federal

government is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone who

claims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their position

if the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at all

for mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more cost

effective.

In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicine

without a license, the federal government said their case was not about

whether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MD

license. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop work

on finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. She

refused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges.

Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have a

Doctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University of

Minnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minn

on 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives her

impeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease.

Is anyone on this forum willing to take a closer look?

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I don't know why you are letting the AMA treat your wife? Dr. Johanna Budwig's diet has cured many terminally ill, simply with the flax oil, cottage cheese mix, and vegetarian diet. I have cancer and have been greatly improved on the Dr. Budwig diet: [Note, the beginning of the diet for the very ill is an enema of 500cc of flax seed oil, you can get Dr. Budwig's books at a health food store, or any bookstore, or at Barlean's: www.barleans.com

who sell the flax oil, and books wholesale to cancer victims]

Read on:

Re: Dr. Hulda I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was overturnedis that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested byacceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initialtrial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that thematerials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you putthat in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appealscourt!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific pollutantsin the products in question.I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of yearsago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able tobecome somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind test,I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could havegotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You arequite quick to condemn!Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of herdoctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it isincurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to extendlife and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currentlycosts about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M D last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that statisticallyhas no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medicalestablishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company'smoney during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainlymakes on wonder who are the charlatans.One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australiaafter all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in thestomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort tosubterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over 90%of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than thenew method that is a cure. Perhaps that should be a caution to every one onthis forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in thestomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. Therecertainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from ulcers. I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How manydiscoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more openminds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways oftreating it?I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot aboutthe human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainlyproduce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been toeliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance, Ialways had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of thezapper, both cleared up for good. I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to duplicateher results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove herwrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her. As a spouse whois watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods becauseher reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the federalgovernment is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone whoclaims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their positionif the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at allfor mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more costeffective.In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicinewithout a license, the federal government said their case was not aboutwhether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MDlicense. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop workon finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. Sherefused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges. Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have aDoctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University ofMinnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minnon 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives herimpeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease. 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I find what you say about Dr. very interesting regarding the

dismissal of charges

against her. My following of her case, however,

disclosed that the judge threw it out because

the time for it to come up had far exceeded the

statute of limitations. The time in spent in court

on her case had little time to allow for proving

or disproving her treatments. Where did you

get that info please? Best, JR

I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -

since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.

What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was overturned

is that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested by

acceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initial

trial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that the

materials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you put

that in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appeals

court!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific pollutants

in the products in question.

I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of years

ago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able to

become somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind test,

I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could have

gotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You are

quite quick to condemn!

Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of her

doctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)

say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it is

incurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to extend

life and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currently

costs about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M D

last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000

minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that statistically

has no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medical

establishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company's

money during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainly

makes on wonder who are the charlatans.

One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,

until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australia

after all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)

discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in the

stomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort to

subterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over 90%

of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than the

new method that is a cure. Perhaps that should be a caution to every one on

this forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in the

stomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. There

certainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from ulcers.

I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How many

discoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more open

minds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways of

treating it?

I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot about

the human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainly

produce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been to

eliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance, I

always had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of the

zapper, both cleared up for good.

I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to duplicate

her results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove her

wrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her. As a spouse who

is watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods because

her reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the federal

government is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone who

claims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their position

if the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at all

for mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more cost

effective.

In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicine

without a license, the federal government said their case was not about

whether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MD

license. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop work

on finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. She

refused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges.

Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have a

Doctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University of

Minnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minn

on 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives her

impeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease.

Is anyone on this forum willing to take a closer look?

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Are you referring to the following appeal decision?

Kay

Libel finding against health-book author reversed

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Anne Krueger

STAFF WRITER

05-Oct-1998 Monday

Tijuana scientist Hulda sounded an alarm in her books on curing

cancer and AIDS: Her " syncrometer " had found the cancer-causing substance

benzene in a wide variety of household products.

Some of them were made by Melaleuca Inc., an Idaho company that sells

personal hygiene, cosmetic, over-the-counter pharmaceutical and nutritional

items containing tea tree oil. The substance comes from the leaves of a

tree that grows primarily in Australia.

Melaleuca sued , claiming she had libeled the company in three books,

which had more than $7 million in sales. Last year, a San Diego jury

agreed, awarding the company $1.5 million in damages.

But last week, the verdict was reversed by the San Diego-based 4th District

Court of Appeal. The justices concluded 's written statements about

the products clearly were false but said Melaleuca had to prove made

them maliciously.

Because an instruction given to the jury on the legal concept of malice was

in error, deserves a new trial, the appeals court said.

The unanimous decision, written by Justice Benke, was certified

for publication, meaning it can be cited as legal precedent.

was described in the court ruling as an independent research

scientist operating a center near Tijuana. She claims to have a cure for

cancer, AIDS and several other serious illnesses.

believes the diseases are caused by intestinal parasites and toxic

substances, the ruling said. If exposure to the substances -- particularly

isopropyl alcohol and benzene -- is stopped, a person will be better able

to resist the parasites that cause disease, she contends.

In detailing the history of the case, the justices said uses a device

she invented called a syncrometer to detect cancer-causing substances. She

claims the syncrometer is capable of detecting even minute amounts of

substances, such as benzene, in products or in a patient.

In her books, said the syncrometer detected benzene in almost all

products made from tea tree oils.

In late 1994, the claims came to the attention of officials of Melaleuca,

which markets its 110 products through a catalog and independent agents.

The court ruling said Melaleuca's sales in 1996 were between $3.5 million

and $4.5 million a month.

An independent laboratory test commissioned by Melaleuca found no benzene

in its products. rejected Melaleuca's demand that she stop

distributing her books, and in June 1995, the company sued her for libel,

defamation and negligence.

Following a trial before San Diego Municipal Judge Janet Kintner, the jury

awarded Melaleuca $550,000 in damages and $1 million in punitive damages,

those meant to punish or deter misbehavior.

Jurors found 's statements about the Melaleuca products were false.

And although they decided she did not know they were false, they concluded

" she published the statements in reckless disregard of whether they were

false. "

The jury was given an instruction by the judge that to find had acted

with malice, she " must have had serious doubts about the truthfulness " of

her statements when she published them.

The court of appeal agreed with that the instruction was in error. It

likely led the jury to subjectively conclude that, " while may not

have known her statements were false, she should have known they were

false, " the court said.

Attorney Guylyn Cummins, who represented in the appeal, said courts

have ruled that comments about a product have a high degree of legal

protection because of the public interest involved.

" If you are a sincere researcher and you believe in the syncrometer, you

should have the right to say what the results are unless you have serious

doubts that the results are true, " Cummins said Friday.

The appeals court said a chemist hired by Melaleuca testified there was no

accepted scientific basis for the syncrometer testing advocated by .

Yesterday, attorney Roper, who represented Melaleuca in the appeal,

emphasized the justices had found 's statements about Melaleuca's

products were unfounded.

" They said she had no basis for what she was saying, " Roper said. " Her

conclusions are false. "

Roper said no decision has been made on whether to appeal the ruling. Both

attorneys agreed the jury instruction will have to be rewritten in future

cases if the ruling stands.

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>I find what you say about Dr. very interesting regarding the

>dismissal of charges

>against her. My following of her case, however,

>disclosed that the judge threw it out because

>the time for it to come up had far exceeded the

>statute of limitations. The time in spent in court

>on her case had little time to allow for proving

>or disproving her treatments. Where did you

>get that info please? Best, JR

>

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" W. Crouse " wrote:

> I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -

> since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.

Here are some comments:

>

>

> What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was overturned

> is that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested by

> acceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initial

> trial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that the

> materials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you put

> that in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appeals

> court!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific pollutants

> in the products in question.

I am not sure where you got this information, but it is false. The appeals

court overturned the decision of the jury based on constitutional arguments.

That's it. The judgment is available

online if you wish to read the whole thing:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/californiastatecases/d028639.pdf

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data2/californiastatecases/d028639.doc

The argument was based on first amendment protection. Some tidbits from the

decision:

" If this appeal turned solely on the question of whether statements defendant

and appellant Hulda Regehr has published about products distributed by

plaintiff and respondent Melaleuca,

Inc. (Melaleuca), are true, there is little doubt Melaleuca would prevail. There

is simply no scientific basis for ’s conclusions about Melaleuca’s

products, and the acceptable scientific

evidence which is in the record entirely refutes ’s conclusions. "

It was overturned because " the law of defamation and the law of injurious

falsehood require that a plaintiff prove far more than the publication of a

false statement. Where, as here, the

defendant has made false statements which disparage the contents of a product,

the owner or distributor of the product is required to

produce clear and convincing evidence the defendant acted with actual malice. "

Whoever told you that it was overturned because of " further testing allowed by

the judge " seems to be simply lying. Read the decision.

> I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of years

> ago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able to

> become somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind test,

> I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could have

> gotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You are

> quite quick to condemn!

That is great. Now why doesn't she act like a real scientist and submit her

device to some real double blinded and controlled studies? They would cost

virtually nothing to do. If she could

prove the detection of substances under such conditions, the paper would be

worthy of publication in Nature or Science! Let's see her do it!

> Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of her

> doctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)

> say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it is

> incurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to extend

> life and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currently

> costs about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M D

> last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000

> minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that statistically

> has no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medical

> establishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company's

> money during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainly

> makes on wonder who are the charlatans.

You raised some very valid points. I am not interested in attempting to

defending the (American) health care industry (I'm Canadian). I am sorry to

hear about your wife's condition.

Certainly, if the scientific evidence does not support high dose chemo and

marrow transplants (which appears to be the case) it doesn't seem appropriate to

enroll in that treatment. But this

does not vindicate Hulda of her responsibility to validate her testing and

treatment. What she is doing now in Mexico is simply human experimentation,

without a review board.

> One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,

> until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australia

> after all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)

> discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in the

> stomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort to

> subterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over 90%

> of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than the

> new method that is a cure.

Now this is a great point. And the take home message is that the theory was

finally accepted by the scientific community once the data was published in a

scientific forum, so that it could be

further investigated and validated. Hulda has never published anything... yet

she has made literally " hundreds " of discoveries.

> Perhaps that should be a caution to every one on

> this forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in the

> stomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. There

> certainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from ulcers.

> I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How many

> discoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more open

> minds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways of

> treating it?

I would venture to guess that hundreds of scientists (epidemiologists,

oncologists, geneticists, etc...) are involved in investigating the causes. Try

searching on cancerNET... there is plenty

or research going on.

> I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot about

> the human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainly

> produce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been to

> eliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance, I

> always had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of the

> zapper, both cleared up for good.

>

> I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to duplicate

> her results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove her

> wrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her.

I wish she would actually present her data in a scientific forum, like thousands

of other " researchers " do.

> As a spouse who

> is watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods because

> her reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the federal

> government is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone who

> claims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their position

> if the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at all

> for mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more cost

> effective.

I disagree with you here. They are simply going after people that are offering

desperate people unproved and scientifically nonsensical " cures " with no proof

behind them.

> In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicine

> without a license, the federal government said their case was not about

> whether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MD

> license. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop work

> on finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. She

> refused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges.

Is there really any questioning the fact that she was (and continues to)

diagnosing and treating people without appropriate medical credentials?

> Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have a

> Doctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University of

> Minnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minn

> on 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives her

> impeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease.

Yes. She has a legitimate Ph.D. This is not a disputed fact. But a Ph.D. from

the fifties does not give the person a right to " play doctor " with cancer and

AIDS patients down in Mexico. I

would love to hear what her thesis topic was. In an interview, she claimed:

" My focus was biochemistry, physiology and biophysics, math, chemistry and

biology and so on. " That is not much of a focus.

Her " naturopathic degree " is from Clayton College of Natural Health, which is a

correspondence school. That is a dubious degree, in my opinion. I still get

junk mail from them.

> Is anyone on this forum willing to take a closer look?

>

>

Thanks for your comments, . Do you have any comments on the science behind

an asian parasite causing cancer all over the world? Why is Ralph Moss speaking

out against Hulda? How about

addressing some of these glaring problems with what she writes?

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> I find what you say about Dr. very interesting regarding the

> dismissal of charges

> against her. My following of her case, however,

> disclosed that the judge threw it out because

> the time for it to come up had far exceeded the

> statute of limitations. The time in spent in court

> on her case had little time to allow for proving

> or disproving her treatments. Where did you

> get that info please? Best, JR

JR,

In the " practicing medicine without a license " case the charge was thrown out

because:

" Brown Circuit Judge Judith ruled the delay in arresting and prosecuting

violated the former area resident's right to a speedy trial. "

" This is not a case of bad faith on the part of the state, " wrote in the

decision, issued Monday. " However, the bottom line remains that the government

bears the burden of bringing a

defendant to trial within the speedy-trial provisions of our constitutions and

our laws. That burden was not met in this case. "

In the libel case, in which Melaleuca sued (won a $1.5 million judgment

and then lost on appeal), the verdict was reversed based on First Amendment free

speech arguments.

Hope that clears things up.

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,

I agree that a rebuttal is called for here. I was very suprised at the

complete trashing of Hulda and her ideas.

I have found that she has helped me to think about the chemicals that I use

every day. Like something as simple as soap. I now make all my own , and as

far as the parasites & the zapper go I can't wait to get

one. A friend has gone through 3 cleanses and uses the zapper feels so much

better, she and her husband

feel a change for the better Each time. You know when I first read it I

thought how stupid. And what lies!!!!

But , I have changed my mind. Although I don't agree with everything , I've

learned to take what I can use and

disreguard the rest. If the only thing I learned from that book was about

daily health products I have spent the

my money wisely.

BUT.. she makes a valid point about metals reacting negatively in the mouth.

My husband is in dentristy and

has told me in Europe the practice of combining different metals is either

illegal (he's in bed I'll ask him in

the morning) or was never used. The Galvanic reaction that occurs when

amalgam and a gold crown or perhaps a non-precious partial denture is real.

And I think the danger it drawing the attention of the FDA..

I know that something is going on government wise. In the next year or so we

should be hearing more about this. Every different metal in the mouth is a

drain on the immune system. Hulda is right about the mouth and

soap so I don't dismiss her other claims lightly.

Joyce

>I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -

>since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.

>

>What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was overturned

>is that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested by

>acceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initial

>trial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that the

>materials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you put

>that in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appeals

>court!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific

pollutants

>in the products in question.

>

>I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of years

>ago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able to

>become somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind

test,

>I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could have

>gotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You are

>quite quick to condemn!

>

>Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of her

>doctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)

>say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it is

>incurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to extend

>life and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currently

>costs about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M

D

> last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000

>minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that statistically

>has no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medical

>establishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company's

>money during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainly

>makes on wonder who are the charlatans.

>

>One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,

>until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australia

>after all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)

>discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in the

>stomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort to

>subterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over 90%

>of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than

the

>new method that is a cure. Perhaps that should be a caution to every one

on

>this forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in

the

>stomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. There

>certainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from ulcers.

>I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How many

>discoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more open

>minds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways

of

>treating it?

>

>I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot about

>the human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainly

>produce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been to

>eliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance, I

>always had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of

the

>zapper, both cleared up for good.

>

>I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to

duplicate

>her results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove her

>wrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her. As a spouse

who

>is watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods

because

>her reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the federal

>government is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone who

>claims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their

position

>if the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at

all

>for mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more cost

>effective.

>

>In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicine

>without a license, the federal government said their case was not about

>whether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MD

>license. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop work

>on finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. She

>refused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges.

>

>Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have a

>Doctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University of

>Minnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minn

>on 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives her

>impeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease.

>

>Is anyone on this forum willing to take a closer look?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Well...is that what I said or not? The statute of

limitations...the time to get to trial flat ran out.

jrtex@... wrote:

> I find what you say about Dr. very interesting regarding the

> dismissal of charges

> against her. My following of her case, however,

> disclosed that the judge threw it out because

> the time for it to come up had far exceeded the

> statute of limitations. The time in spent in court

> on her case had little time to allow for proving

> or disproving her treatments. Where did you

> get that info please? Best, JR

JR,

In the " practicing medicine without a license " case the charge was thrown out

because:

" Brown Circuit Judge Judith ruled the delay in arresting and prosecuting

violated the former area resident's right to a speedy trial. "

" This is not a case of bad faith on the part of the state, " wrote in the

decision, issued Monday. " However, the bottom line remains that the government

bears the burden of bringing a

defendant to trial within the speedy-trial provisions of our constitutions and

our laws. That burden was not met in this case. "

In the libel case, in which Melaleuca sued (won a $1.5 million judgment

and then lost on appeal), the verdict was reversed based on First Amendment free

speech arguments.

Hope that clears things up.

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Ontario Veterinary College

Class of 2002

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>My husband is in dentristy and >has told me in Europe the practice of

combining different metals is either

>illegal (he's in bed I'll ask him in >the morning) or was never used.

And I think the danger it drawing the attention of the FDA..>I know that

something is going on government wise. In the next year or so we >should be

hearing more about this>>

Hi Again , I asked my husband about the FDA being interested & as far as he

knows they aren't

the part about Europe was Wrong again - so I guess it was wishful thinking

or I dreamed it ....

I do think it should be banned. But , that would probably be impossible.

Metal used in dental " Gold " is actually

many different metals. The other metals vary , but gold is too soft to be

used without adding harder metals the same goes for silver. Palladium is

used a lot. But, the price of that has skyrocketed now a lot of dentists

are using non-precious and God only knows whats in that.

Sorry for the wrong information.

Joyce

>

>

>

>>I thought a few words of rebuttal regarding Hulda might be useful -

>>since there seems to be a rush to judgement on this forum.

>>

>>What you fail to point out is that the reason her libel suit was

overturned

>>is that the appeals judge allowed the materials in question to be tested

by

>>acceptable testing methods (which had not been allowed during the initial

>>trial) - those testing methods proved that she was right - that the

>>materials contained the very pollutants she had claimed. Why don't you

put

>>that in your article? That she was in fact vindicated by the appeals

>>court!!! That in fact her synchrometer had detected the specific

>pollutants

>>in the products in question.

>>

>>I attended the synchrometer testing class in California a couple of years

>>ago. Even with partially damaged hearing from being a pilot, I was able

to

>>become somewhat capable with the synchrometer - at the end, in a blind

>test,

>>I successfully identified seven out of 10 pollutants. I feel I could have

>>gotten better - and I witnessed the instructor get 100% right. You are

>>quite quick to condemn!

>>

>>Finally, let me say that my wife has Stage IV breast cancer. All of her

>>doctors (Henry Ford Medical Center, Karmanos Center, M D Center)

>>say they have no idea what causes breast cancer! They also say it is

>>incurable once it has mestasticised - that it can only be treated to

extend

>>life and somewhat improve quality of life. Laraine's treatment currently

>>costs about $5,000 a week, with no hope of success (meaning a cure). At M

>D

>> last week, they began the process to sign her up for a $200,000

>>minimum bone marrow transplant/high dosage chemo regimen that

statistically

>>has no hope of a cure (per all the medical studies). The medical

>>establishment has already taken over $500,000 of our insurance company's

>>money during this period where there is no hope of a cure. It certainly

>>makes on wonder who are the charlatans.

>>

>>One last point. We treated ulcers for life, with very expensive drugs,

>>until two doctors (who were forced to complete their research in Australia

>>after all their funding and laboratory resources were cut off in the USA)

>>discovered that 90% of ulcers were caused by a bacteria living in the

>>stomach. In order to even present their results, they had to resort to

>>subterfuge. Five years after their research was finally accepted, over

90%

>>of prescriptions were still for the old method of treatment, rather than

>the

>>new method that is a cure. Perhaps that should be a caution to every one

>on

>>this forum. It was the common wisdom that bacteria could not survive in

>the

>>stomach's acid. Why didn't pathologists look during autopsies. There

>>certainly were many cadavers available, because we used to die from

ulcers.

>>I submit that we didn't look, because it just couldn't be. How many

>>discoveries might have happened years earlier if we'd all had more open

>>minds? Who else is looking for the cause of breast cancer, not just ways

>of

>>treating it?

>>

>>I find her books quite interesting - I have certainly learned a lot about

>>the human body, and find that her liver and kidney cleanses certainly

>>produce the results she says. My only use of the zapper has been to

>>eliminate a variety of skin problems and minor infections - for instance,

I

>>always had acne on my back and subacious cysts on my face - after use of

>the

>>zapper, both cleared up for good.

>>

>>I wish there was a serious research organization that would try to

>duplicate

>>her results with the synchrometer, rather than simply trying to prove her

>>wrong, or even worse, debunk her after simply watching her. As a spouse

>who

>>is watching my wife die (she will not try any of Dr. 's methods

>because

>>her reaction is similar to kkolas@guleph's). I am appalled that the

federal

>>government is attacking Dr. . In fact, they are attacking anyone who

>>claims to be working on a " cure " . Perhaps I could understand their

>position

>>if the medical establishment had anything to offer that was effective at

>all

>>for mestasticized breast cancer, or that was even mildly more cost

>>effective.

>>

>>In her most recent trial where she was charged with practicing medicine

>>without a license, the federal government said their case was not about

>>whether or not her methods worked, it was about her not having an MD

>>license. They offered to settle (drop all charges) if she would stop

work

>>on finding a cure, both in Mexico where her clinic is, and in the USA. She

>>refused to settle. Finally, the court dismissed the charges.

>>

>>Of note, early on I checked out her credentials - she does indeed have a

>>Doctor of Philosophy degree in bio-physics, granted by the University of

>>Minnesota on June 14th, 1958. I verified this with the University of Minn

>>on 4/3/96 - you can call them at 612-625-5333. ly, this gives her

>>impeccable credentials to set out on a search for the causes of disease.

>>

>>Is anyone on this forum willing to take a closer look?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>>

>>

>

>>

>

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Why use metal at all in your crowns, there are many different types of all

ceramic

crowns out there today, a couple which are very good are OPC & Impress. ask

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I have to agree with you. But not all dentists believe murcury is poisoness.

I had a filling about a year ago, I had to literaly argue with the attending

dentist to not put in a mercury filling. He got really snotty and rude. What

finally tipped me off, was when he told the lady that was to clean my teath,

" we would have been here sooner, but she insisted she have that other kind

of filling " . We are the customer, without us there is no work. So demand

from your dentist to use only that which is good for you. And they don't

know everything, odviously cause this guy thinks mercury is safe, and a

better way to fix a filling. I know not all are like this but beware. I

ended up telling this guy that I don't care what he says I can read and from

all that I have read I do not wish any more mercury in my mouth. Cost a

little more, but definitly worth it.

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Hi,

I bought her book and followed her instructions as much as possible and

didn't get any results. I think the hydrogen peroxide technique is a better

bet.

Dr. Hulda

> Hello, I was going to start Dr. 's 100 parasite cleanse... has anyone

had any success with her techniques??? please let me know if this is too

good to be true??? Thanks...Gr.

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

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Dr. has no affiliation with the group you are referring to although it

is called the Dr. Research Organization. Dr. is not involved in

the FTC action.

I have read that the devices which the FTC is trying to get recalled have

been approved for sale as medical devices in Europe. I also understand that

the people who sell those units sent letters to all that bought them offering

their money back if they were dissatisfied and that with over a thousand

replies only one person asked for a refund. Many sent unsolicited

testimonials telling of their good results with the device. You can go to

the Web site of that organization at <A

HREF= " www..net " >www..net</A> to learn more.

Dr. does not sell anything except her books. If you want the latest

available information on 's work order a copy of her book " The Cure for

HIV and Aids " from New Century Press at 800-519-2465. This new book has 646

pages and on the cover it says " With 68 Case Histories. " It has only been

available for about a week. The older edition had 543 pages and said " With

Over 75 Case Histories " on the cover. If you go to a bookstore now you are

likely to get the older edition. The new edition adds an enormous amount of

new information. Much of this is general and can be very valuable to people

with afflictions other than HIV. You will notice that in the books she tells

you how to make all her devices from readily available components.

even went to the trouble to design versions that could be built by people

with no knowledge of electronics. She changed the design of her zapper to

make it even more foolproof. She found that some of the devices being sold by

others were not effective and that her advice that these units should be

individually checked on an oscilloscope was not being followed. The changes

eliminate the possibility that the tolerances of electronic components will

result in some ineffective devices. Dr. has not patented any of the

devices described in the new books, though many advised her to do so.

Most who read the Cancercure postings know that when any device or product

that threatens the market for profitable drugs or medical devices is

marketed, there will be an effort to discredit them and force them off the

market. Note the copyright notice in all of 's books gives permission

to reproduce the material for noncommercial purposes. Some have even posted

her entire books on the Web.

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Dr. has no affiliation with the group you are referring to although it

is called the Dr. Research Organization. Dr. is not involved in

the FTC action.

I have read that the devices which the FTC is trying to get recalled have

been approved for sale as medical devices in Europe. I also understand that

the people who sell those units sent letters to all that bought them offering

their money back if they were dissatisfied and that with over a thousand

replies only one person asked for a refund. Many sent unsolicited

testimonials telling of their good results with the device. You can go to

the Web site of that organization at <A

HREF= " www..net " >www..net</A> to learn more.

Dr. does not sell anything except her books. If you want the latest

available information on 's work order a copy of her book " The Cure for

HIV and Aids " from New Century Press at 800-519-2465. This new book has 646

pages and on the cover it says " With 68 Case Histories. " It has only been

available for about a week. The older edition had 543 pages and said " With

Over 75 Case Histories " on the cover. If you go to a bookstore now you are

likely to get the older edition. The new edition adds an enormous amount of

new information. Much of this is general and can be very valuable to people

with afflictions other than HIV. You will notice that in the books she tells

you how to make all her devices from readily available components.

even went to the trouble to design versions that could be built by people

with no knowledge of electronics. She changed the design of her zapper to

make it even more foolproof. She found that some of the devices being sold by

others were not effective and that her advice that these units should be

individually checked on an oscilloscope was not being followed. The changes

eliminate the possibility that the tolerances of electronic components will

result in some ineffective devices. Dr. has not patented any of the

devices described in the new books, though many advised her to do so.

Most who read the Cancercure postings know that when any device or product

that threatens the market for profitable drugs or medical devices is

marketed, there will be an effort to discredit them and force them off the

market. Note the copyright notice in all of 's books gives permission

to reproduce the material for noncommercial purposes. Some have even posted

her entire books on the Web.

S.

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