Re: Clarification

[Guest guest]

I realise this reads confusingly.

To clarify: I am musing on why Yeshaya was such a pain two Sabbaths

ago, not why he was well behaved last Sabbath!

> I think it was partly my MIL's presence, poor old dear, deaf as a

> post, really high maintenance to have at a meal, and she was with us

> for all 3 Sabbath meals. Yeshaya couldn't take her yelling and

> interrupting everyone. (Today I took her to a Jewish lecture that

DH

> gave, and her hearing aid whistled loudly throughout, disturbing

> everyone LOL! ) Partly that for some reason on that Sabbath I was

> *very* touchy and overreacted to him winding me up; I must learn to

> float above the teenage windups. And partly he was bored and

> unfulfilled. This Friday we are going to DD1 for supper. My Uncle

and

> Aunt cancelled for next Friday night and are coming the week after

> instead. So I have next week to plan for.

[Guest guest]

I realise this reads confusingly.

To clarify: I am musing on why Yeshaya was such a pain two Sabbaths

ago, not why he was well behaved last Sabbath!

> I think it was partly my MIL's presence, poor old dear, deaf as a

> post, really high maintenance to have at a meal, and she was with us

> for all 3 Sabbath meals. Yeshaya couldn't take her yelling and

> interrupting everyone. (Today I took her to a Jewish lecture that

DH

> gave, and her hearing aid whistled loudly throughout, disturbing

> everyone LOL! ) Partly that for some reason on that Sabbath I was

> *very* touchy and overreacted to him winding me up; I must learn to

> float above the teenage windups. And partly he was bored and

> unfulfilled. This Friday we are going to DD1 for supper. My Uncle

and

> Aunt cancelled for next Friday night and are coming the week after

> instead. So I have next week to plan for.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am not doing the diary-free version and my son is ASD.How do you know

> if you should do dairy-free??? Toni SON ASD scd for 2 weeks

>

Any adverse reactions from yogurt and cheese?

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

It is well worth to try the SCD goat yogurt, you will double your

results with this diet! Wait for 1 month before trying it if your

child does not have a severe allergy to it. If he reacts very

strongly to dairy then wait longer. Start out with only 1/8 of a

teaspoon.

I will post more posts concerning the healing yogurt tonight.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

It is well worth to try the SCD goat yogurt, you will double your

results with this diet! Wait for 1 month before trying it if your

child does not have a severe allergy to it. If he reacts very

strongly to dairy then wait longer. Start out with only 1/8 of a

teaspoon.

I will post more posts concerning the healing yogurt tonight.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

I have been giving him Colby cheese ,eggs butter listed legal on scd.What

reaction am I looking for that would indicate " not good for him " I have made the

yogurt and its great but once I get it out of the fridge it is less firm and he

would not try .He used to eat the petite danone. I will wait one month for sure

,any advice on making the yogurt keep its firmness once out of the refrigerator?

Thanks so much for your response., TONI son 31/2asd scd 2wks

Re: Clarification

Hi Toni,

It is well worth to try the SCD goat yogurt, you will double your

results with this diet! Wait for 1 month before trying it if your

child does not have a severe allergy to it. If he reacts very

strongly to dairy then wait longer. Start out with only 1/8 of a

teaspoon.

I will post more posts concerning the healing yogurt tonight.

Mimi

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Toni,

Where you dairy free before SCD?

Is your son doing better on SCD?

Are the cheeses made with cow milk or goat milk? You might want to

switch to goat dairy and see if you observe improvements.

Mimi

>

> I have been giving him Colby cheese ,eggs butter listed legal on

scd.What reaction am I looking for that would indicate " not good for

him " I have made the yogurt and its great but once I get it out of

the fridge it is less firm and he would not try .He used to eat the

petite danone. I will wait one month for sure ,any advice on making

the yogurt keep its firmness once out of the refrigerator? Thanks so

much for your response., TONI son 31/2asd scd 2wks

[Guest guest]

Toni,

Where you dairy free before SCD?

Is your son doing better on SCD?

Are the cheeses made with cow milk or goat milk? You might want to

switch to goat dairy and see if you observe improvements.

Mimi

>

> I have been giving him Colby cheese ,eggs butter listed legal on

scd.What reaction am I looking for that would indicate " not good for

him " I have made the yogurt and its great but once I get it out of

the fridge it is less firm and he would not try .He used to eat the

petite danone. I will wait one month for sure ,any advice on making

the yogurt keep its firmness once out of the refrigerator? Thanks so

much for your response., TONI son 31/2asd scd 2wks

[Guest guest]

Prior to scd he was having a little goats milk and regular marble cheese or

chedder cheese.His Bm were on the constipated side.Now his stools are regular

and softer but I do notice that in his stools there are always a fiew small

formed ones that are a bit harder.

Re: Clarification

Toni,

Where you dairy free before SCD?

Is your son doing better on SCD?

Are the cheeses made with cow milk or goat milk? You might want to

switch to goat dairy and see if you observe improvements.

Mimi

>

> I have been giving him Colby cheese ,eggs butter listed legal on

scd.What reaction am I looking for that would indicate " not good for

him " I have made the yogurt and its great but once I get it out of

the fridge it is less firm and he would not try .He used to eat the

petite danone. I will wait one month for sure ,any advice on making

the yogurt keep its firmness once out of the refrigerator? Thanks so

much for your response., TONI son 31/2asd scd 2wks

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

You can substitute coconut butter for dairy butter in a lot of recipes.

recoverymaze recoverymaze@...> wrote:Hi Toni,

It is well worth to try the SCD goat yogurt, you will double your

results with this diet! Wait for 1 month before trying it if your

child does not have a severe allergy to it. If he reacts very

strongly to dairy then wait longer. Start out with only 1/8 of a

teaspoon.

I will post more posts concerning the healing yogurt tonight.

Mimi

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Toni,

I just wanted to let you know about WHY dairy-free can be

important for ASD kids. It is very complicated, but here is the

short version.

Do you know about the GFCF diet? - that is

gluten-free/casein-free (casein being the dairy protein). If you

take a look at any gfcf sites, you will learn that the proteins in

gluten and dairy can cause an opiate-like effect in the brains of

some children (because the proteins are not digested properly).

By removing these proteins from the diet, the children get better

eye contact and speech and other improvements.

When you do SCD, you are eliminating gluten (so you will be

gluten-free), so that is a good thing. I would suggest eliminating

dairy to see if you notice any good (or bad) reactions. Then, you

could add the goat yogurt very slowly (1/8 t./day to start).

When you remove dairy - 2 things to watch out for:

1.Your child could have a withdrawal from removing the opiate

effect that the dairy was giving them - you might want to gradually

eliminate it. - also if your child craves dairy that is sign that it is

giving him the opiates.

2. Removing dairy could cause some constipation - cooked fruits

and vegetables will help the constipation.

I would recommend SCD over just the GFCF diet since SCD

addresses HEALING of the intestinal problems and GFCF does

not.

Also, you can use ghee instead of butter to keep it dairy-free and

not take away a flavor your son is used to.

Sandy, ASD 7 yr old son, SCD 10 months

>

> I am not doing the diary-free version and my son is ASD.How

do you know

> if you should do dairy-free??? Toni SON ASD scd for 2 weeks

>

[Guest guest]

Toni,

I am so glad that you are seeing improvements! I love it when

parents tell us the good news...Be patient,it takes time for the gut

to heal completely.

I am used to counseling parents who were GFCF prior to SCD. For

those parents,I advise to wait before introducing the SCD yogurt.

I am not sure what advice to give parents who gave dairy before SCD.

Here are some options:

*Try to switch to goat dairy and avoid the products made from cow

milk.

*Avoid all dairy for a period of time.

* Make no changes and continue with the great results that you are

getting!

Please let me know about your updated report. I learn so much from

parents.

Mimi

>

> Prior to scd he was having a little goats milk and regular marble

cheese or chedder cheese.His Bm were on the constipated side.Now his

stools are regular and softer but I do notice that in his stools

there are always a fiew small formed ones that are a bit harder.

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you. What does ghee look like? Were do you usually find it ?If your from

Canada

can I get it at any organic health smart grocery store?

http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2005/05/27/glorious-golden-ghee/

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you. What does ghee look like? Were do you usually find it ?If your from

Canada

can I get it at any organic health smart grocery store?

http://www.nandyala.org/mahanandi/archives/2005/05/27/glorious-golden-ghee/

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > Thank you. What does ghee look like? Were do you usually find it ?

If your from Canada

> can I get it at any organic health smart grocery store?

>

>We have bought ghee (already made) at Whole Foods in St. Louis, MO.

It comes in a glass jar and looks similar to butter. Whole Foods is a

chain store, and there are other locations in the U.S. I'm not sure

if they have locations in Canada. Melinda

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Thank you. What does ghee look like? Were do you usually find it ?

> If your from Canada

> > can I get it at any organic health smart grocery store?

> >

> >We have bought ghee (already made) at Whole Foods in St. Louis, MO.

> It comes in a glass jar and looks similar to butter. Whole Foods is a

> chain store, and there are other locations in the U.S. I'm not sure

> if they have locations in Canada. Melinda

> The East Indian markets in the Gerrard, Riverdale area of Toronto are certain

to have it.

Or you can order it online at:

http://www.bedessee.com/canada/CDN-V.HTM

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Jody,

>

> Elaine knew that not everyone would be able to tolerate

> > every SCD food. So, it is assumed that each person's SCD may look a

> > little different, but that does not make their diet a " modified

> SCD " diet.

> >

> > So, within this symantic framework- are you referring to people

> > customizing the foods consumed within the context of SCD or are you

> > suggesting that people eat foods outside the list of allowed SCD

> foods?

> >

> >

> > Jody

> > mom to -7 and -9

> > SCD 1/03

> >

>

> I cannot speak for (although she probably meant customizing

> the foods within the context of SCD), but I wanted to clarify that

> all my " fish postings " were certainly referring to the customization

> you are defining.

>

> While I am being accused of integrating conflicting diets, I have

> never suggested anything outside of the SCD perimeters. Eating fish

> is not required to do SCD.

I think this is all because I do not like Dr. Mercola used as a point of

reference or

authority. It is not about fish consumption. Fish is one of the allowable

sources of animal

protein on SCD.

Preferences about mercury cautions are absolutely valid and fish choices are up

to the

individual.

Example: Some are allergic to shellfish. They would eliminate them and still be

SCD.

I have Latex Allergy and chemical sensitivities and have to eliminate some SCD

legals to

accomodate this but I remain totally within SCD otherwise.( the exception would

be that

since I have been SCD for six years I might want to take something back that is

not on the

diet. As it happens, I do not.)

BTW and a little OT about alternative practitioners. I used to be a big fan of

Dr.

Weil ( also a licensed MD and harvard graduate) before he became so popular and

before I

became ill. He had an eight week program. Part of it was buying fresh flowers

for the

home every week. Nice, but no help for celiac disease unless we decide a little

relaxation

contributes to healing.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Jody,

>

> Elaine knew that not everyone would be able to tolerate

> > every SCD food. So, it is assumed that each person's SCD may look a

> > little different, but that does not make their diet a " modified

> SCD " diet.

> >

> > So, within this symantic framework- are you referring to people

> > customizing the foods consumed within the context of SCD or are you

> > suggesting that people eat foods outside the list of allowed SCD

> foods?

> >

> >

> > Jody

> > mom to -7 and -9

> > SCD 1/03

> >

>

> I cannot speak for (although she probably meant customizing

> the foods within the context of SCD), but I wanted to clarify that

> all my " fish postings " were certainly referring to the customization

> you are defining.

>

> While I am being accused of integrating conflicting diets, I have

> never suggested anything outside of the SCD perimeters. Eating fish

> is not required to do SCD.

I think this is all because I do not like Dr. Mercola used as a point of

reference or

authority. It is not about fish consumption. Fish is one of the allowable

sources of animal

protein on SCD.

Preferences about mercury cautions are absolutely valid and fish choices are up

to the

individual.

Example: Some are allergic to shellfish. They would eliminate them and still be

SCD.

I have Latex Allergy and chemical sensitivities and have to eliminate some SCD

legals to

accomodate this but I remain totally within SCD otherwise.( the exception would

be that

since I have been SCD for six years I might want to take something back that is

not on the

diet. As it happens, I do not.)

BTW and a little OT about alternative practitioners. I used to be a big fan of

Dr.

Weil ( also a licensed MD and harvard graduate) before he became so popular and

before I

became ill. He had an eight week program. Part of it was buying fresh flowers

for the

home every week. Nice, but no help for celiac disease unless we decide a little

relaxation

contributes to healing.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

(if those are even safe at this point).

No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

(if those are even safe at this point).

No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

(if those are even safe at this point).

No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

I agree. I follow SCD strictly, but I am skeptical of fish as well for both

of my boys. It just isn't worth any possible risk. I know many other

parents who feel the same way.

I appreciate everyone's point of view and information sharing to allow us to

make our own informed decisions.

mom to 3 years old ASD and SCD 8 1/2 months

Re: clarification

> We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

> America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

> (if those are even safe at this point).

>

> No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

>

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I follow SCD strictly, but I am skeptical of fish as well for both

of my boys. It just isn't worth any possible risk. I know many other

parents who feel the same way.

I appreciate everyone's point of view and information sharing to allow us to

make our own informed decisions.

mom to 3 years old ASD and SCD 8 1/2 months

Re: clarification

> We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

> America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

> (if those are even safe at this point).

>

> No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

>

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. I follow SCD strictly, but I am skeptical of fish as well for both

of my boys. It just isn't worth any possible risk. I know many other

parents who feel the same way.

I appreciate everyone's point of view and information sharing to allow us to

make our own informed decisions.

mom to 3 years old ASD and SCD 8 1/2 months

Re: clarification

> We rarely eat fish (maybe a few times per year). I live in middle

> America, far away from any decent access to freshly caught ocean fish

> (if those are even safe at this point).

>

> No one needs to eat fish if they choose not to.

>

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>