Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dawn, You should request composite rather than amalgam fillings, which contain mercury. Capping the teeth if necessary does not involve any mercury exposure. There is no known association between breastfeeding and cavities in children. Please read the article at http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/20/1/Breastfeeding-Does-Not- Cause-Cavities Please also re-evaluate your son's diet and consider removing all processed foods, juice, sweetened foods, dried fruit, white flour, and cow's milk. Randall Neustaedter OMD Classical Medicine Center 1779 Woodside Rd., 201C Redwood City, CA 94061 650 299-9170 www.Cure-Guide.com Author of Child Health Guide: Holistic Pediatrics for Children and Adults, North Atlantic Books, 2005 Silver fillings Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Maybe, but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. Thirdly, the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair the teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver fillings (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks does my son face from the anesthesia? I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! Thanks. Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 I would say no to amalgam fillings that contain mercury - read Dr. Boyd Haley's research. Silver fillings > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Maybe, > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. Thirdly, > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair the > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver fillings > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks does > my son face from the anesthesia? > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > Thanks. > > Dawn > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I'm far from being an expert, but I would be finding another dentist! Say no to the silver fillings!!! ~ Jowanna. > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Maybe, > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. Thirdly, > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair the > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver fillings > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks does > my son face from the anesthesia? > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > Thanks. > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Definitely find ANOTHER dentist! My son had decay in his molars. The first dentist we went to said that the only children that they had seen with that much decay were ones that went to bed with bottles of juice or ate tons of sugar, my kids do neither. The next dentist that I went to said that sugar and juice decay would also be found in the front teeth and that he had the decay from having " deep pits " in his back teeth. He said that there was nothing I could have done to have prevented it. He did get the fillings. We did anesthesize him, just because I didn't want to traumatize him. Our dentist was wonderful with every request I made, I was there when he started to come to, we used the composite fillings and he is good about no fluoride. Colin handled it well, he was only three at the time. Oh, and our dentist was wonderfully supportive of extended breastfeeding, I heard him tell a mother of a two year old to keep on doing it because it was so good for her daughter, but he did mention that she should wipe her teeth with a wet cloth after nursing at night, not sure if I agree that much with that, but it was better than hearing him tell her to wean! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dawn...don't walk but RUN from this dentist! Never ever use amalgams on a child or an adult. There are other much safer alternatives. Where do you live and I will try to find a link to a holistic minded dentist. Please take a minute to read info on this site: http://www.iaomt.org/ Take care sherry > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Maybe, > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. Thirdly, > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair the > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver fillings > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks does > my son face from the anesthesia? > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > Thanks. > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I would find out how deep the cavities are before you anesthetize. I had fillings in nearly all my molars when I was a kid (I now think that was a dentist's scam) and did not have any anesthesia. I do not remember it hurting that much, but I think that none of them really went down to the nerve. Maybe there is some homeopathic remedy you could give before to relax him. C _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of SaraShaughnessy@... Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:28 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: Silver fillings Definitely find ANOTHER dentist! My son had decay in his molars. The first dentist we went to said that the only children that they had seen with that much decay were ones that went to bed with bottles of juice or ate tons of sugar, my kids do neither. The next dentist that I went to said that sugar and juice decay would also be found in the front teeth and that he had the decay from having " deep pits " in his back teeth. He said that there was nothing I could have done to have prevented it. He did get the fillings. We did anesthesize him, just because I didn't want to traumatize him. Our dentist was wonderful with every request I made, I was there when he started to come to, we used the composite fillings and he is good about no fluoride. Colin handled it well, he was only three at the time. Oh, and our dentist was wonderfully supportive of extended breastfeeding, I heard him tell a mother of a two year old to keep on doing it because it was so good for her daughter, but he did mention that she should wipe her teeth with a wet cloth after nursing at night, not sure if I agree that much with that, but it was better than hearing him tell her to wean! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Hi Dawn- I'm so sorry you are in this situation, I know you must be very upset and worried. You might check out the WAPHB (Weston A Price Healthy Babies) group if you are not already a member. Very helpful group, and I'm sure they would also have some thoughts right away. Also, look at www.westonaprice.org for suggestions on children's diets. Weston Price was a dentist and nutrition researcher who found that decay in teeth (esp childrens teeth) can be halted or reversed by improving their diet. He especially recommended a combinaton of butter oil and cod liver oil. They are best taken together because they work in synergy to improve health and may help your son's teeth. It's worth a try. At the very least, they are excellent supplements for your son's health. It might be possible for you to " wait and see " for a little while, watch the cavities and make sure they are not growing while you try this treatment. Find a more holistic dentist who will support you in this approach. I am no expert, but since he is so young, I think you can wait a while as long as the decay is not progressing. Better if he was a little older to get the fillings anyway. I give the oils to my toddler every morn in a glass with the juice of 1 fresh-squeezed orange. We call it juicy water and he loves it. My family takes both of these supplements. I purchase them from www.radiantlifecatalog.com. Please feel free to email me off list if you have more detailed questions- Best, > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Yeah, I brought my then 5 yr. old to a dentist because she has 2 cavaties (sp?) in two of her molars. He also wanted to do amalgam fillings and I told him that wouldn't be happening and I asked about composite... he tried to convince me otherwise saying that amalgam will last longer and blah blah blah... and also because my girls are on Medicaid, told me we'd have to pay out of pocket... which would come up to like $400 for the 2 composites... yikes... well, I told him I'd think about it and haven't been back. I pick out her teeth and try to keep them clean. She's six yrs. old now. And her teeth haven't gotten any worse in the past year, not at all. And for the record, having pits in the teeth are in the genes because my dad had/has them, my sister, and myself... and now my daughter. I had mine filled, but luckily, I chose to use composites because I didn't want to open my mouth and everyone see gray! lol So, my vanity saved me! hehe And I nursed my girls extensively (my oldest nursed until 4 yrs old)... at night and all... never wiped their teeth after nursing... and my 2nd child has no decay in her mouth... I check all the time. Alison, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, baby-wearing, non-vaccinating sahm to 2 wonderful girls: Calista (2-13-99) and Ursula (12-22-02) and pregnant for a boy! (EDD: 12-27-05) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 I live in Des Moines, Iowa. Any leads to a holistic-minded pediatric dentist would be much appreciated. Thank you. -- In Vaccinations , " crazeladyshopper " <crazeladyshopper@y...> wrote: > Dawn...don't walk but RUN from this dentist! Never ever use > amalgams on a child or an adult. > There are other much safer alternatives. Where do you live and I > will try to find a link to a holistic minded dentist. > > Please take a minute to read info on this site: > > http://www.iaomt.org/ > > Take care > sherry > > > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old > son. > > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth > with a > > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. > Maybe, > > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. > Thirdly, > > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair > the > > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver > fillings > > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks > does > > my son face from the anesthesia? > > > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 It sounds like your dentist was a real jerk! The one that we went to billed our insurance for the amalgams (I know I butchered the spelling, but I am very tired!) and charged us the difference. We ended up paying about $18 per filling, which isn't that bad, at least not as bad as $200 a piece! My son was on Medicaid at the time as well. Yeah, I know about the deep pits being hereditary. The dentist told me that and when I spoke to my grandmother about it, she said that my grandfather had them. -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 -------------- Original message -------------- Yeah, I brought my then 5 yr. old to a dentist because she has 2 cavaties (sp?) in two of her molars. He also wanted to do amalgam fillings and I told him that wouldn't be happening and I asked about composite... he tried to convince me otherwise saying that amalgam will last longer and blah blah blah... and also because my girls are on Medicaid, told me we'd have to pay out of pocket... which would come up to like $400 for the 2 composites... yikes... well, I told him I'd think about it and haven't been back. I pick out her teeth and try to keep them clean. She's six yrs. old now. And her teeth haven't gotten any worse in the past year, not at all. And for the record, having pits in the teeth are in the genes because my dad had/has them, my sister, and myself... and now my daughter. I had mine filled, but luckily, I chose to use composites because I didn't want to open my mouth and everyone see gray! lol So, my vanity saved me! hehe And I nursed my girls extensively (my oldest nursed until 4 yrs old)... at night and all... never wiped their teeth after nursing... and my 2nd child has no decay in her mouth... I check all the time. Alison, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, baby-wearing, non-vaccinating sahm to 2 wonderful girls: Calista (2-13-99) and Ursula (12-22-02) and pregnant for a boy! (EDD: 12-27-05) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 If it is amalgam/silver filings then yes those have mercury.Many dentists still prefer to use amalgam for molars saying the composite resin will not last as long.It is up to YOU not the dentist to decide what is best for your son. As for silver caps. This was mentioned to me in conjunction with pulpotomies for my dd whom I was told had 4 cavities. The 1st dentist said she might need anywhere from a basic filling to pulpotomies with caps,but could not tell till she *got in there* regardless of the x-rays done on my dd. I went to another dentist who said my dd had 2 small cavities.She however recommended amalgam/mercury filings,and refused to use composite. 3rd dentist I took my dd to(who has just turned 5 I think) said she had 3 cavities,would use composite,and yes ofcourse I was allowed to be with her(first dentist said no parents in the room). Anyway my point is get more opinions. As for saying the bfing caused the cavities.Well lol,that is like telling a person their cancer was caused by the food they ate or where they live- it is possible,but what was the point of telling that yk? Why the need to place blame? I bfed my kids for 3+ years.Cavities showed up in my dd well over a year after she stopped bfing.Ds is 3 and he just checked out cavity free,and yes he still bf's 24/7.Was it the bf that prevented the cavities? Maybe,who knows, and who cares.Cavities or not I would have bfed,because bm is best and needed for proper nutrients,gut development,and all the unknown benefits we have yet to discover.Blaming you does little benefit other than make you feel like crap.I refuse to hire anyone who feels the need to make me feel like crap.In the least I would expect the dentist to say that breastmilk among everything else going in the mouth could have caused cavities.Shoot, whatever was going on in the womb(and in you) at the time the teeth are formed could also have played a role in your childs cavities. I remember a thread long ago about using a mixture of white oak bark powder and black walnut tincture to stop decay.Also a rub over the teeth with I think green tea tincture.Do a google and see if anything comes up.Look over in http://www.healthy.net for possbile help too. 3 hours is a long time to be under and can be a risk,but it really is the only way to do that amount of work on a little one.I can't see many 2yo's staying still long enough to do one filing.I would look into the medications they plan to give,their safety protocol to prevent over dosage,and what they have in place for any emergency. I hope everything works out to your satisfaction.I know how upset I was just having to hunt around for fillings/dentist policies I approved of. Take care! SUPPORT Sierra's Bears:For stillbirth and infant loss:http://www.sierrasbears.org/US Vaccine Injury Compensation: http://www.hrsa.gov/osp/vicp/INDEX.HTM MW Archives:http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/#Table What Circumcision cuts away : http://www.norm.org/lost.html --------------------------------- for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Here is one in Iowa...have no clue if it's anywhere near you. For the record I drive 1.5 hours one way to get to my holistic dentist but it's more than worth it. http://www.iaomt.org//findmember_results.cfm IA Phelps, DDS 114 E. 5th St. Spencer, IA 51301 Phone: 712-262-9133 another site: http://www.mercuryfreenow.com/freeservices/find_dentists.html Barlow, D.D.S. Cherokee IA 712-225-4211 Phelps, D.D.S. Spencer IA 712-262-9133 another link: http://www.toxicteeth.org/DentistsDoctorsProducts_State.cfm another site: http://www.medical- library.net/specialties/framer.html?/specialties/_biological_and_merc ury_free_dentistry.html hopefully you will find something in these. Be sure to read up on amalgam free dentistry and ask questions of each dentist. Being informed is your best defense. Sherry > > > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old > > son. > > > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth > > with a > > > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > > > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > > > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. > > Maybe, > > > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > > > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. > > Thirdly, > > > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair > > the > > > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver > > fillings > > > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > > > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks > > does > > > my son face from the anesthesia? > > > > > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > > > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > > > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 My kids are terrible about brushing their teeth at night and I have to constantly hound them. I hate to admit it but I never really got into making them brush until after they were two. None of them has had much decay at all. My 23 month old hardly ever gets her teet brushed. (Shhhh!) The famous dentist, Weston A. Price, believed and documented through his research that dental caries and mouth malformations were due to poor diet in the mother and father and early on in the child's development. He saw in people who were not yet westernized that they had nutrient-dense diets and beautiful teeth. Many never brushed them at all! For more information you can access the Weston Price Foundations' website at: http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html Sheri B. SaraShaughnessy@... wrote: Definitely find ANOTHER dentist! My son had decay in his molars. The first dentist we went to said that the only children that they had seen with that much decay were ones that went to bed with bottles of juice or ate tons of sugar, my kids do neither. The next dentist that I went to said that sugar and juice decay would also be found in the front teeth and that he had the decay from having " deep pits " in his back teeth. He said that there was nothing I could have done to have prevented it. He did get the fillings. We did anesthesize him, just because I didn't want to traumatize him. Our dentist was wonderful with every request I made, I was there when he started to come to, we used the composite fillings and he is good about no fluoride. Colin handled it well, he was only three at the time. Oh, and our dentist was wonderfully supportive of extended breastfeeding, I heard him tell a mother of a two year old to keep on doing it because it was so good for her daughter, but he did mention that she should wipe her teeth with a wet cloth after nursing at night, not sure if I agree that much with that, but it was better than hearing him tell her to wean! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Yeah, I wasn't very impressed with him! lol See, I had thought that he could bill Medicaid for amalgam and have me just pay the extra for the composites... I would have done that, gladly! I feel badly about not having her teeth taken care of yet... but, I haven't had a working vehicle in over 2 yrs now and my dh works from like 7am until 7pm, daily... even on weekends... so, I have no way of getting her to other dentists... yet... I hate that the pits are inherited... I used to be so concerned about my teeth, I'd dream about them! lol All the time... Alison, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, baby-wearing, non-vaccinating sahm to 2 wonderful girls: Calista (2-13-99) and Ursula (12-22-02) and pregnant for a boy! (EDD: 12-27-05) Re: Re: Silver fillings It sounds like your dentist was a real jerk! The one that we went to billed our insurance for the amalgams (I know I butchered the spelling, but I am very tired!) and charged us the difference. We ended up paying about $18 per filling, which isn't that bad, at least not as bad as $200 a piece! My son was on Medicaid at the time as well. Yeah, I know about the deep pits being hereditary. The dentist told me that and when I spoke to my grandmother about it, she said that my grandfather had them. -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Sheri, My 6yr old still gives me a hard time every day. He says he would rather have rotten teeth than have to brush them. He is my most willful child. Brushing Henry's teeth a real chore. My husband pins him down while I fight to get in with the toothbrush. I'm always so afraid I'm going to hurt his jaw. His teeth, mainly the top front four, are quite decayed. When he was first diagnosed with Autism at 16mos he had absolutely no eye contact and the therapists would put a piece of chocolate between their eyes to get him to look at them. I hated using candy as a reinforcer for so long but it was the only thing that worked. He still has not gone to a dentist because I know they will want to restrain and drug him. We have managed to halt the decay and hope whats left of his teeth will fall out naturally for new ones to come in. I sometimes worry about systemic problems resulting from the decay. My only defense is to keep his diet and immune system in good condition and keep brushing. His current speech therapist has been working diligently to decrease his defensiveness, but progress is terribly slow. I'm not sure if he's experiencing pain or if it is sensory. I guess either way it is going to be painful for him. I know I should take him to see a dentist, but I just can't put him through the trauma. How does your sister do it? Anita " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: My kids are terrible about brushing their teeth at night and I have to constantly hound them. I hate to admit it but I never really got into making them brush until after they were two. None of them has had much decay at all. My 23 month old hardly ever gets her teet brushed. (Shhhh!) The famous dentist, Weston A. Price, believed and documented through his research that dental caries and mouth malformations were due to poor diet in the mother and father and early on in the child's development. He saw in people who were not yet westernized that they had nutrient-dense diets and beautiful teeth. Many never brushed them at all! For more information you can access the Weston Price Foundations' website at: http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html Sheri B. SaraShaughnessy@... wrote: Definitely find ANOTHER dentist! My son had decay in his molars. The first dentist we went to said that the only children that they had seen with that much decay were ones that went to bed with bottles of juice or ate tons of sugar, my kids do neither. The next dentist that I went to said that sugar and juice decay would also be found in the front teeth and that he had the decay from having " deep pits " in his back teeth. He said that there was nothing I could have done to have prevented it. He did get the fillings. We did anesthesize him, just because I didn't want to traumatize him. Our dentist was wonderful with every request I made, I was there when he started to come to, we used the composite fillings and he is good about no fluoride. Colin handled it well, he was only three at the time. Oh, and our dentist was wonderfully supportive of extended breastfeeding, I heard him tell a mother of a two year old to keep on doing it because it was so good for her daughter, but he did mention that she should wipe her teeth with a wet cloth after nursing at night, not sure if I agree that much with that, but it was better than hearing him tell her to wean! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Anita, I think my sister still has a time brushing his teeth as it is indeed a sensory issue. They began putting one of those kids' vibrating toothbrushes in his mouth at an early age and let it vibrate to help break some of the stimulation issue. I'll check with her, though, because I haven't heard much about it in a while and his teeth are lovely. On another note, they have set up a small hyperbaric chamber in their tiny little house and will begin doing " dives " soon. I'll keep you posted on his progress! Sheri B. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Sheri, My 6yr old still gives me a hard time every day. He says he would rather have rotten teeth than have to brush them. He is my most willful child. Brushing Henry's teeth a real chore. My husband pins him down while I fight to get in with the toothbrush. I'm always so afraid I'm going to hurt his jaw. His teeth, mainly the top front four, are quite decayed. When he was first diagnosed with Autism at 16mos he had absolutely no eye contact and the therapists would put a piece of chocolate between their eyes to get him to look at them. I hated using candy as a reinforcer for so long but it was the only thing that worked. He still has not gone to a dentist because I know they will want to restrain and drug him. We have managed to halt the decay and hope whats left of his teeth will fall out naturally for new ones to come in. I sometimes worry about systemic problems resulting from the decay. My only defense is to keep his diet and immune system in good condition and keep brushing. His current speech therapist has been working diligently to decrease his defensiveness, but progress is terribly slow. I'm not sure if he's experiencing pain or if it is sensory. I guess either way it is going to be painful for him. I know I should take him to see a dentist, but I just can't put him through the trauma. How does your sister do it? Anita " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: My kids are terrible about brushing their teeth at night and I have to constantly hound them. I hate to admit it but I never really got into making them brush until after they were two. None of them has had much decay at all. My 23 month old hardly ever gets her teet brushed. (Shhhh!) The famous dentist, Weston A. Price, believed and documented through his research that dental caries and mouth malformations were due to poor diet in the mother and father and early on in the child's development. He saw in people who were not yet westernized that they had nutrient-dense diets and beautiful teeth. Many never brushed them at all! For more information you can access the Weston Price Foundations' website at: http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html Sheri B. SaraShaughnessy@... wrote: Definitely find ANOTHER dentist! My son had decay in his molars. The first dentist we went to said that the only children that they had seen with that much decay were ones that went to bed with bottles of juice or ate tons of sugar, my kids do neither. The next dentist that I went to said that sugar and juice decay would also be found in the front teeth and that he had the decay from having " deep pits " in his back teeth. He said that there was nothing I could have done to have prevented it. He did get the fillings. We did anesthesize him, just because I didn't want to traumatize him. Our dentist was wonderful with every request I made, I was there when he started to come to, we used the composite fillings and he is good about no fluoride. Colin handled it well, he was only three at the time. Oh, and our dentist was wonderfully supportive of extended breastfeeding, I heard him tell a mother of a two year old to keep on doing it because it was so good for her daughter, but he did mention that she should wipe her teeth with a wet cloth after nursing at night, not sure if I agree that much with that, but it was better than hearing him tell her to wean! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 And the sealants aren't the safest and best for their health either. Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 my daughters dentist did the composite fillings and she was on medicaid... the dr did not care he just said that they don't last as long and I said thats ok the teeth were not permenant anyway. the cav were very small so he pulled a wool over the eyes. Medicaid would have pd for it! tht was wrong on his part and discrimination if you ask me! jackie --- Alison <alison73@...> wrote: > Yeah, I brought my then 5 yr. old to a dentist > because she has 2 cavaties (sp?) in two of her > molars. He also wanted to do amalgam fillings and I > told him that wouldn't be happening and I asked > about composite... he tried to convince me otherwise > saying that amalgam will last longer and blah blah > blah... and also because my girls are on Medicaid, > told me we'd have to pay out of pocket... which > would come up to like $400 for the 2 composites... > yikes... well, I told him I'd think about it and > haven't been back. I pick out her teeth and try to > keep them clean. She's six yrs. old now. And her > teeth haven't gotten any worse in the past year, not > at all. And for the record, having pits in the > teeth are in the genes because my dad had/has them, > my sister, and myself... and now my daughter. I had > mine filled, but luckily, I chose to use composites > because I didn't want to open my mouth and everyone > see gray! lol So, my vanity saved me! hehe > > And I nursed my girls extensively (my oldest nursed > until 4 yrs old)... at night and all... never wiped > their teeth after nursing... and my 2nd child has no > decay in her mouth... I check all the time. > > Alison, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, > baby-wearing, non-vaccinating sahm to 2 wonderful > girls: > Calista (2-13-99) and Ursula (12-22-02) > and pregnant for a boy! (EDD: 12-27-05) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > " When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies. " ~U.S.Representative Ron , MD The Nuremberg Code (to which NZ is a signatory) describes Informed Choice as: - A choice made on the basis of adequate information concerning research and all available alternatives. - A choice made without controlling influences such as force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching or other forms of constraint or coercion. Does this not apply to us? __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Dawn, Here is a group you should join.. veryyoungkidsteeth Numerous parents join that group and are in the exact same situation as yourself. We recently joined the group because we noticed our 17 month old son's teeth didn't look completely normal. He is only beginning to get his molars so as of now we're just dealing with the front teeth. We took him to the dentist.. dentist said he sees some decay but its not bad and that he doesn't recommend treating them until they are atleast two years old anyway. Dentist also mentioned baby bottle syndrom even though our son is breastfed. So basically the dental appt was useless except that it gave us some comfort that the dentist didn't think the decay was bad. So we did some more research on the Internet. For now we're using Spry Infant Tooth Gel (good amount of Xylitol in it) to clean his teeth and mouth a few times day and we're waiting for Oravive to arrive which we plan to use I think once a day mixed with the Spry. The Oravive (oravive.com) is also supposed to help recalcify the teeth. Hopefully all of this will prevent further decay. Our son (as well as many others in this situation) eats very minimal processed foods and basically no juice or sweets or cows milk. On 10/3/05, moeleposinger <sunup@...> wrote: > Help! I just got back from a dental checkup for my 18-month old son. > Firstly, my son has decay in all four molars and another tooth with a > slight chip, and I was told we have to get fillings in all five of > these teeth within the next couple of months. Secondly, I was told > that he has all this decay because I breastfeed him to sleep. Maybe, > but I know that at least one of the four decayed teeth grew in that > way, so I'm not sure how much weight to put on that theory. Thirdly, > the dentist wants to anesthetize my son for three hours to repair the > teeth, and he wants to repair four of the teeth with silver fillings > (or silver caps). Are there known health risks with the silver > fillings or are they safe? Do they contain mercury? What risks does > my son face from the anesthesia? > > I am going to get a second opinion, but in the meantime, if anyone > knows of any alternate treatment methods or has any advice for me, > PLEASE let me know. I am so stressed and scared about all of this! > > Thanks. > > Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 i grind my teeth, what is cells salt? ella On 12/28/05, teresa <teresa@...> wrote: > > I will also give him cell salt. If your son has habbit of grinding his > teeth. This could be another reason. > > -- www.rjellybeanslings.com-baby slings tushywushy.blogspot.com-cloth diapers that are leakproof and stay dry ryankachupi.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 My husband grind his teeth since his young age(people who grind their teeth usually due to nervous). Grind teeth means grinding out the outer layer protection of your teeth. Of course will cause teeth decade. I don't mean cell salt can stop you grinding your teeth. My son at age five. Compare to his sister and brother he has the most strong body. But he is the first one need teeth filling. Two of his molar teeth has decade. He has habbit of grinding his teeth especially when he sleep. Homoeopathy is the therapy I use to improve his grind teeth habbit. If a child has decade teeth in their earily age. Another reason could be their minerial storage especially calcium is insufficient. There are many reason could cause the insufficiency of calcium. Why I introduce cell salt? It is save and can be use to treat my children health in other way. eg. Flu and fever. I don't like to store too many kind of medicine in my house. Their are mainly 12 popular cell salt available in the market. Homoeopthy is the original concept to this cell salt. The folowing web site has brief information about this. http://www.doctoryourself.com/cell_salts.html Wish this information will help Re: Silver fillings i grind my teeth, what is cells salt? ella On 12/28/05, teresa <teresa@...> wrote: > > I will also give him cell salt. If your son has habbit of grinding his > teeth. This could be another reason. > > -- www.rjellybeanslings.com-baby slings tushywushy.blogspot.com-cloth diapers that are leakproof and stay dry ryankachupi.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Hi everyone i haven't posted for a while as i have been quite well but recently i have had some symptoms back i have also been suffering toothache and had my tooth removed but i am still in pain now it is the next tooth this tooth has a silver filling and i am wondering if this could be some kind of symptom of my toxins it seems a coincidence to get old symptoms at the time i got toothache i saw 4 dentists who all said there was nothing wrong with my tooth but i had it removed anyway any advice would be appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Hi! I'm glad you see that you've been doing so well that you haven't needed to post to us! The dental issues do not surprise me. Subclinical dental infections can definitely bring on symptoms, as the infection from dental problems can travel through the body. In my view, we get symptoms because we have compromised immune systems, and the infections from dental issues are a burden to the immune system. They must be battled. I also had my tooth pulled (two teeth actually) that was in pain and it resolved ALL of my knee pain that had developed from the tooth infection. And like you, the endodontist thought it was one tooth only, and it ended up being both teeth side by side. I hated the thought of pulling them, but I wanted to be free of pain more. You made a wise choice, IMHO, to remove the one tooth. Are you trying to decide to pull the other tooth right now? If you are still in pain, you may have to. The next step would be to treat your infection with natural herbs and antibiotics, using things like raw garlic, oil of oregano, echinacea, ginger, tumeric, goldenseal, lots of Vitamin C, fenugreek, and herbs that are healing. Take these consistently to help fight the infection and keep your immune system strong. I hope this helps give you some insight. Dental infections seem localized and not very harmful, but truly, they can be very bad! Patty > > Hi everyone > i haven't posted for a while as i have been quite well but recently i have had some symptoms back i have also been suffering toothache and had my tooth removed but i am still in pain now it is the next tooth this tooth has a silver filling and i am wondering if this could be some kind of symptom of my toxins it seems a coincidence to get old symptoms at the time i got toothache i saw 4 dentists who all said there was nothing wrong with my tooth but i had it removed anyway any advice would be appreciated > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 hi patty; am wondering why you had teeth pulled - did they need a root canal? or do you not do root canals? also, did the infection show up on a dental x-ray? thanks. gg did Re: silver fillings Hi!I'm glad you see that you've been doing so well that you haven't needed to post to us! The dental issues do not surprise me.Subclinical dental infections can definitely bring on symptoms, as the infection from dental problems can travel through the body. In my view, we get symptoms because we have compromised immune systems, and the infections from dental issues are a burden to the immune system. They must be battled. I also had my tooth pulled (two teeth actually) that was in pain and it resolved ALL of my knee pain that had developed from the tooth infection. And like you, the endodontist thought it was one tooth only, and it ended up being both teeth side by side. I hated the thought of pulling them, but I wanted to be free of pain more.You made a wise choice, IMHO, to remove the one tooth. Are you trying to decide to pull the other tooth right now? If you are still in pain, you may have to.The next step would be to treat your infection with natural herbs and antibiotics, using things like raw garlic, oil of oregano, echinacea,ginger, tumeric, goldenseal, lots of Vitamin C, fenugreek, and herbs that are healing. Take these consistently to help fight the infection and keep your immune system strong.I hope this helps give you some insight. Dental infections seem localized and not very harmful, but truly, they can be very bad!Patty>> Hi everyone> i haven't posted for a while as i have been quite well but recently i have had some symptoms back i have also been suffering toothache and had my tooth removed but i am still in pain now it is the next tooth this tooth has a silver filling and i am wondering if this could be some kind of symptom of my toxins it seems a coincidence to get old symptoms at the time i got toothache i saw 4 dentists who all said there was nothing wrong with my tooth but i had it removed anyway any advice would be appreciated> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 GG, Yes, I was told I needed a root canal. I saw the endodontist and spent $2000 getting two root canals!!!!!! I was so sick spending that money and then only having to throw it away. The endodontist put me on a heavy duty antibiotic--Cipro? I cannot remember the name but I am pretty sure it started with a C and I know it was considered the big guns, so I am quite certain that the infection was a nasty one. My tooth hurt so bad, I was eating Ibuprofen like candy before my root canals. (And I never take that stuff.) It was awful. But when my knee started giving my trouble and my holistic dentist (who does not do root canals) offered the book by Dr. Meinig ( " Root Canal Coverup " ), that's when I decided the root canals had to go. It was the right choice, as my knee cleared up immediately. Patty hi patty; am wondering why you had teeth pulled - did they need a root canal? or do you not do root canals? also, did the infection show up on a dental x-ray? thanks. gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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