Re: MSH, TSH, and Biotoxins

[Guest guest]

-Just want to say thanks for that answer. And my msh was very low last checked

at around 24 if remember. I am on the csm right now. Any other detox

suggestions? I of course was hesitant to take the thyroid medicine, but it was

getting so bad I could not even care for myself with feeding and bathing. I can

do that now. I was doing well on the csm, but still have bad days when the pain

seems unmanageable. Thank goodness for help like yours, we need it, Nannette

-- In , " Erwin T. Tan, MD " <docbry@...>

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> Nannette, I see that Dr. Tan did not answer this, so I will give it a stab,

based on my limited knowledge. But I do know a little bit about thyroid stuff,

since I deal with it too.- Hi, am sorry I didn't see this earlier. So here are

the data you provided:

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> tsh is 0.019 (normal is 0.450 - 4.500)t4 free is 0.44 (normal is 0.61-1.76) t3

free serum is normalsynthroid at 25 - Okay, here's some basic thyroid hormone

mechanisms. Your thyroid is like the band master of your body's metabolism. It

dictates how your metabolism will go.

> TSH or Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, is the hormone used by the brain to tell

your thyroid to make thyroid hormones (the T3 and T4)T3 and T4 are the thyroid

hormones, the hormones that will go to the specific parts of the body to manage

your metabolism: - Go to the heart to increase heart rate- Go to the muscles to

increase muscle tone- Go to the fat cells to burn fat cells and turn it into

fuel, etc

> So this is what happens normally, the brain decides to increase your

metabolism so it sends TSH to the thyroid. Then the thyroid gets the message

(through TSH) and produces T3 and T4. Then the thyroid hormones go to the heart,

muscles, fat, etc.So the question would be, how does the body know when to stop

making TSH? We have what we call a " negative feedback mechanism " , this means

that when the body senses to high T3 and T4, then it lowers the TSH release.In

your case, TSH is very low, and your thyroid hormones are low. I am assuming

your T3 is " low normal " .In this case, now that you know the basic mechanisms of

thyroid, then you know that the problem is not in the thyroid, but rather in the

brain,  in the pituitary gland, where MSH is produced. OR in the hypothalamus

where TRH is produced, which stimulates TSH production.

> Okay, at this point, don't you remember another hormone that is similar?

Remember when I discussed MSH? And as I have said, MSH is lowered because the

one that forms it is affected, which is the pituitary gland, which is in turn

affected by BIOTOXINS.And as I have said, trying to get external MSH is not the

answer, well, it can help, but should not be considered a treatment in any way,

but rather to focus on fixing the pituitary, by cleansing and lowering bio and

neurotoxins. This is also the case in TSH.Taking synthroid will raise your

thyroid hormones, but because of the negative feedback mechanism, your TSH will

just keep on going lower and lower.As you can see, eventually, we are finding

out that all of your different symptoms are inter-related, and the key is in

detoxification.

>

[Guest guest]

You're welcome.How about trying the three day apple diet... with enema each night. Are you familiar with this? If not I can send you the protocol.

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> Nannette, I see that Dr. Tan did not answer this, so I will give it a stab, based on my limited knowledge. But I do know a little bit about thyroid stuff, since I deal with it too.- Hi, am sorry I didn't see this earlier. So here are the data you provided:

>

> tsh is 0.019 (normal is 0.450 - 4.500)t4 free is 0.44 (normal is 0.61-1.76) t3 free serum is normalsynthroid at 25 - Okay, here's some basic thyroid hormone mechanisms. Your thyroid is like the band master of your body's metabolism. It dictates how your metabolism will go.

> TSH or Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, is the hormone used by the brain to tell your thyroid to make thyroid hormones (the T3 and T4)T3 and T4 are the thyroid hormones, the hormones that will go to the specific parts of the body to manage your metabolism: - Go to the heart to increase heart rate- Go to the muscles to increase muscle tone- Go to the fat cells to burn fat cells and turn it into fuel, etc

> So this is what happens normally, the brain decides to increase your metabolism so it sends TSH to the thyroid. Then the thyroid gets the message (through TSH) and produces T3 and T4. Then the thyroid hormones go to the heart, muscles, fat, etc.So the question would be, how does the body know when to stop making TSH? We have what we call a "negative feedback mechanism", this means that when the body senses to high T3 and T4, then it lowers the TSH release.In your case, TSH is very low, and your thyroid hormones are low. I am assuming your T3 is "low normal".In this case, now that you know the basic mechanisms of thyroid, then you know that the problem is not in the thyroid, but rather in the brain,  in the pituitary gland, where MSH is produced. OR in the hypothalamus where TRH is produced, which stimulates TSH production.

> Okay, at this point, don't you remember another hormone that is similar? Remember when I discussed MSH? And as I have said, MSH is lowered because the one that forms it is affected, which is the pituitary gland, which is in turn affected by BIOTOXINS.And as I have said, trying to get external MSH is not the answer, well, it can help, but should not be considered a treatment in any way, but rather to focus on fixing the pituitary, by cleansing and lowering bio and neurotoxins. This is also the case in TSH.Taking synthroid will raise your thyroid hormones, but because of the negative feedback mechanism, your TSH will just keep on going lower and lower.As you can see, eventually, we are finding out that all of your different symptoms are inter-related, and the key is in detoxification.

>

[Guest guest]

Please share this with us! I want to know more!

Patty

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> > Nannette, I see that Dr. Tan did not answer this, so I will give it a stab,

based on my limited knowledge. But I do know a little bit about thyroid stuff,

since I deal with it too.- Hi, am sorry I didn't see this earlier. So here are

the data you provided:

>

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>

> > tsh is 0.019 (normal is 0.450 - 4.500)t4 free is 0.44 (normal is

0.61-1.76) t3 free serum is normalsynthroid at 25 - Okay, here's some basic

thyroid hormone mechanisms. Your thyroid is like the band master of your body's

metabolism. It dictates how your metabolism will go.

>

> > TSH or Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, is the hormone used by the brain to tell

your thyroid to make thyroid hormones (the T3 and T4)T3 and T4 are the thyroid

hormones, the hormones that will go to the specific parts of the body to manage

your metabolism: - Go to the heart to increase heart rate- Go to the muscles to

increase muscle tone- Go to the fat cells to burn fat cells and turn it into

fuel, etc

>

> > So this is what happens normally, the brain decides to increase your

metabolism so it sends TSH to the thyroid. Then the thyroid gets the message

(through TSH) and produces T3 and T4. Then the thyroid hormones go to the heart,

muscles, fat, etc.So the question would be, how does the body know when to stop

making TSH? We have what we call a " negative feedback mechanism " , this means

that when the body senses to high T3 and T4, then it lowers the TSH release.In

your case, TSH is very low, and your thyroid hormones are low. I am assuming

your T3 is " low normal " .In this case, now that you know the basic mechanisms of

thyroid, then you know that the problem is not in the thyroid, but rather in the

brain,  in the pituitary gland, where MSH is produced. OR in the hypothalamus

where TRH is produced, which stimulates TSH production.

>

> > Okay, at this point, don't you remember another hormone that is similar?

Remember when I discussed MSH? And as I have said, MSH is lowered because the

one that forms it is affected, which is the pituitary gland, which is in turn

affected by BIOTOXINS.And as I have said, trying to get external MSH is not the

answer, well, it can help, but should not be considered a treatment in any way,

but rather to focus on fixing the pituitary, by cleansing and lowering bio and

neurotoxins. This is also the case in TSH.Taking synthroid will raise your

thyroid hormones, but because of the negative feedback mechanism, your TSH will

just keep on going lower and lower.As you can see, eventually, we are finding

out that all of your different symptoms are inter-related, and the key is in

detoxification.

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