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Since you say you are into alternative medicine, you are capable of

helping yourself. Make up your own mind.

Leo

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> Hello I have a question for you. My grandmother is 83 and has been

> taking two prescription pills everyday for about a year, for her

> pacemaker. They are Toprol XL 25mg and also Digoxin 125MG. Do you

> think this is doing any harm to her she seems fine, but are family

> is in to alternative medicine and we sometimes question the doctor.

> Please help!!!

>

> Thanks

>

>

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:19:42 -0000, regehr2001 wrote in

<bmrp6u+qbcheGroups>:

>Since you say you are into alternative medicine, you are capable of

>helping yourself. Make up your own mind.

.... after you got some more precise informations about what exactly

these pills are supposed to do...

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training

http://www.sgmt.at

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blood is cleansed at the kidneys.if your kidneys are blocked then the heart has

to work harder to pump blood through them.read Dr.'s books for more helpful

hints.

<brianski35@...> wrote:Hello I have a question for you. My grandmother

is 83 and has been

taking two prescription pills everyday for about a year, for her

pacemaker. They are Toprol XL 25mg and also Digoxin 125MG. Do you

think this is doing any harm to her she seems fine, but are family

is in to alternative medicine and we sometimes question the doctor.

Please help!!!

Thanks

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Hello: Y don't u check the DX on medicines for

contraindications/side effects and then you will be in a position to

judge yourself if these drugs are harmful in any way.

(**)

> > Hello I have a question for you. My grandmother is 83 and has

been

> > taking two prescription pills everyday for about a year, for her

> > pacemaker. They are Toprol XL 25mg and also Digoxin 125MG. Do

you

> > think this is doing any harm to her she seems fine, but are

family

> > is in to alternative medicine and we sometimes question the

doctor.

> > Please help!!!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

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In a message dated 10/18/03 5:09:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

gloria@... writes:

> MOST PEOPLE COME HERE,

> >HOWEVER DUM YOU MAY THINK THEM, SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS AND SUPPORT. IT

> >ONLY TAKES A MOMENT AND A LITTLE BIT OF CARING. THE DIFFERENCE IT CAN

> >MAKE IN A LIFE IS ASTOUNDING. WE all make a difference in our own small

> >ways. as for me, i hope that my existance can help lift others up, or

> >what value is there in my space in the world. always, my greatest desire

> >is to not harm others. always, my e-mail door is open to anyone who needs

> >a friend. danaivanbradshaw@....

> >214 520-0422. dallas texas. without each other, what do we matter?

> >rusty dana

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

>

> Dear Rusty,

>

> Hello. I agree with you. If each person just practiced the art of kindness,

> why what a better world we would live in! :-) Meanwhile, a good moderator

> can help screen out emails of this kind. Is there a moderator here? I own a

> few , and when things like this happen, I just place these kinds

> of folks on moderated status, and that way unkind responses can be screened

> out. Just a thought.

>

> Blessings,

> gloria

> a " new " member of the group who is seriously " wondering " what kind of group

> this is.

>

>

Gloria and , It is my understanding that Leo is the moderator.

??????

My best to both of you.

Phyllis

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I TOO, WAY SURPRISED AND DISMAYED At the response that i saw. if this is

a group that strictly wants to be mean, then should it not be classified

under another category? as a bi man with hiv, i thought that i would find

information and support here that i would be blessed to share with my

friends from all walks and ways of life. if this is a place to beat up

on one another, then it should be stATATED. MOST PEOPLE COME HERE,

HOWEVER DUM YOU MAY THINK THEM, SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS AND SUPPORT. IT

ONLY TAKES A MOMENT AND A LITTLE BIT OF CARING. THE DIFFERENCE IT CAN

MAKE IN A LIFE IS ASTOUNDING. WE all make a difference in our own small

ways. as for me, i hope that my existance can help lift others up, or

what value is there in my space in the world. always, my greatest desire

is to not harm others. always, my e-mail door is open to anyone who needs

a friend. danaivanbradshaw@....

214 520-0422. dallas texas. without each other, what do we matter?

rusty dana

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I READ THIS AND IT UPSETS ME. PLEASE BE KINDER TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE

REACHING OUT. IF WE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS, WOULD WE BE HERE. COMPASSION IS

A POWERFUL FRIEND. AS FOR ME, I NEED MY HAND HELD AND I NEED EVERYTHING

EXPLAINED. AS IGNORANT AS I AM, I STILL NEED KINDNESS. THIS GROUP WAS

FORMED BECAUSE PEOPLE DO CARE. PLEASE, LETS DONT LOSE OUR WAY OR VISION.

WE CAN ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE BETTER.

RUSTY DANA

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Hi Gloria....I believe Leo is the moderator...K

Meanwhile, a good moderator

> can help screen out emails of this kind. Is there a moderator

here? I own a

> few , and when things like this happen, I just place

these kinds

> of folks on moderated status, and that way unkind responses can be

screened

> out. Just a thought.

>

> Blessings,

> gloria

> a " new " member of the group who is seriously " wondering " what kind

of group

> this is.

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I will unsubscribe from this rank list as well. I have no use for

treatment like this, especially from a moderator.

G Murray

>>Blessings,

>>gloria

>>a " new " member of the group who is seriously " wondering " what kind of group

>>this is.

>>

>>

>

>

> Gloria and , It is my understanding that Leo is the moderator.

> ??????

>

> My best to both of you.

> Phyllis

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After reading enough complaining about Leo's curt reply on this forum, I want to

remind everybody that this is not the place to get medical advice. None of us

want to be " practising medicine without a license " (by email no less!) as that

is punishable by law. Be responsible, please. We are all here to learn from one

another, but self health requires making your own judgements. I think it's silly

for people to be crying about " kindness " and wasting my time. I'm sure there are

many kind doctors out there. Go get one and pay the price for their opinion. I'd

rather read something I can learn from, regardless of " tone. "

dhinton12003 <dhinton12003@...> wrote:

Hello: Y don't u check the DX on medicines for

contraindications/side effects and then you will be in a position to

judge yourself if these drugs are harmful in any way.

(**)

> > Hello I have a question for you. My grandmother is 83 and has

been

> > taking two prescription pills everyday for about a year, for her

> > pacemaker. They are Toprol XL 25mg and also Digoxin 125MG. Do

you

> > think this is doing any harm to her she seems fine, but are

family

> > is in to alternative medicine and we sometimes question the

doctor.

> > Please help!!!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

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Soon after getting implants my knees began hurting really bad.

I could barely walk or lift my arms.

I had to slide my feet in baby steps across the floor to walk.

I could not bend down or lift my legs up at all.

Immediately after implant removal.

I awoke from surgery and was able to walk again.

The crawly sensations in my knees were GONE. !!!

What type of blood test can determine an infection in my knees. ?

My knees hurt so bad that nobody can touch my knees.

Just lying in bed, I have burning pain in my knees.

Because of extreme knee pain I barely can function

My thighs and buttocks is still blown up.

Could this all be connected in some way to my knees ?

I have exactly the same equal pain in both knees.

I literally get nauseous in my belly from the knee pain.

The doctors thought I had fluid of the knees but...

x-rays and MRI'S never revealed anything.

Sandy~

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Sandy,

YOu know my story with root canals. There is no way any doctor would have found

the connection between my root canals and my right knee pain, and yet it was

definitely a connection. It was proven by the timeline of getting the root

canals put in, the development of the crippling knee pain with limping, the

removal of the root canals, and the permanent resolution of that knee pain. But

I can guarantee you that no doctor would have found it. Thank God for my astute

dentist's wife!

My concern with you is your dental work, purely based on my experience. I am

not saying you are having the same experience, but unless you look at it as a

possibility, you may never find out the answer to your question.

Patty

>

> Soon after getting implants my knees began hurting really bad.

> I could barely walk or lift my arms.

>

> I had to slide my feet in baby steps across the floor to walk.

> I could not bend down or lift my legs up at all.

>

> Immediately after implant removal.

> I awoke from surgery and was able to walk again.

> The crawly sensations in my knees were GONE. !!!

>

> What type of blood test can determine an infection in my knees. ?

> My knees hurt so bad that nobody can touch my knees.

>

> Just lying in bed, I have burning pain in my knees.

> Because of extreme knee pain I barely can function

>

> My thighs and buttocks is still blown up.

> Could this all be connected in some way to my knees ?

>

> I have exactly the same equal pain in both knees.

> I literally get nauseous in my belly from the knee pain.

>

> The doctors thought I had fluid of the knees but...

> x-rays and MRI'S never revealed anything.

>

> Sandy~

>

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