Re: Vitamins (PRE-DIGESTED COLLAGEN)

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Background: Vita4life.net has a protein supplement they sell that is

made with honey and didn't sound bad. But it says in " ingredients, "

that it is made of " pre-digested collagen. "

I was concerned about this for two reasons:

(1) " Pre-digested " to me means either it was " digested " by

organisms (i.e., fermentation/rot) or it was eaten by something

else (animal) first, and therefore if it is " predigested, " it is,

well, poop.

(2) The source of the collagen is not identified and a few

years

back, it was publicized that cosmetic companies were getting collagen

from fetal tissue and placentas.

[i also know for a fact that most dry dogfoods--read the labels--

contain " chicken digest, " or " cow digest, " which is business

doublespeak for poop, too, so don't think I'm being too imaginative

here. And let's don't forget the horse-pee estrogen pills, either.].

So, call me warped, but these two terms together, " predigested

collagen, " with nothing more, conjured up a grim image for me, so I

wrote the company and asked them:

" (1) what source is the collagen (identify specifically what it

comes from. I have heard of collagen being obtained from placentas

--

is that the source? If not, what is the source?); "

" (2) How is it 'predigested?' The only way I can think of that

something could be " predigested " would be if it is in fact excrement.

Please explain. "

The president wrote me back and said he didn't know but he'd find out

(I posted his message day before yesterday).

Now, yesterday, I got this response.

Read it carefully because it *seems* to answer the questions, but it

is a lot of spin and gloss. Nowhere does he ever say *what* the

protein (collagen) is from, or how it is pre-digested (the fact that

it is " done in a lab " and uses heat implies that it is probably a

fermentation process, but he doesn't actually say). He just restates

that it is a protein and is predigested.

Subject: Vita4Life! Protein Response

Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:55:30 -0700

To: lindat@...>

CC: " Lantaff " kev@...>

Hi -

Goodness, do you ever present a morbid picture. Just kidding - Here

is how it works:

Essentially all of these steps are done artificially in the lab. The

protein formula contains a predigested collagen Hydrosylate. Protein

Hydrosylate is a solution which contains the amino acids derived from

an artificially digested protein.

It is through this process that the peptide chain is dissolved which

allows for the body to begin the absorbtion process a step faster

then

usual. This also we believe based on our testing that many people

who

use our protein may ned to begin taking less with the positive lab

results.

Secondly, molecular weight is important for many reason to us, but

for the Bariatric Patient it means that what you are digesting is a

balance of essential and non-essential amino acids. Because our

protein is digested artificiallly under very controlled conditions it

is free of fat, carbohydrates and cholesterol unlike whey or soy

based

proteins and using a predigested collagen is an excellent choice for

people who have allergic reactions with milk and soy products.

Finally, we wanted to offer a product that offered a natural

flavoring

of which 5.5% of the sugar is natural honey and the remaining .5% is

the artifically flavored and citric for fragrance along with the

preservatives to protect the product. The artificial items are well

below what the EPA recommends on a daily basis. Add to that the

individual packets for portability and we believe we have one heck of

a product for all to enjoy.

Hope this helps - Greg Race

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So I wrote them again, saying, " Thank you. So where does the

collagen

come from? "

I'll update this again if they ever give me an answer.

Kind regards,

webpage: http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

*************

L.A. Ventures - Webpages made your way!

http://www.fourlane.com/laventures

[Guest guest]

> As a chemist, ... "

Yay! Steve is still here! I'm thrilled beyond belief. Chemists are

a

very special breed of cat; I'm married to one...not Steve...another

one by the name of Jerry. How nice to see that chemistry is so

useful

to every single walk of life...and now, to those of us who are

trying

to juggle our protein intake to make those 60 to 70 grams of the

stuff

daily. Dee in MI.

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[Guest guest]

> As a chemist, ... "

Yay! Steve is still here! I'm thrilled beyond belief. Chemists are

a

very special breed of cat; I'm married to one...not Steve...another

one by the name of Jerry. How nice to see that chemistry is so

useful

to every single walk of life...and now, to those of us who are

trying

to juggle our protein intake to make those 60 to 70 grams of the

stuff

daily. Dee in MI.

>

[Guest guest]

> As a chemist, ... "

Yay! Steve is still here! I'm thrilled beyond belief. Chemists are

a

very special breed of cat; I'm married to one...not Steve...another

one by the name of Jerry. How nice to see that chemistry is so

useful

to every single walk of life...and now, to those of us who are

trying

to juggle our protein intake to make those 60 to 70 grams of the

stuff

daily. Dee in MI.

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