Re: Re: My saline implant made me ill

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

Thank you so much for getting back to me, i do have questions to ask, I'm not to sure what scar tissue is? and drainage? my surgeon just didn't seem to care or want to listen to what i had to say she was in such a rush. I have an appointment next week at the breast clinic, i hope they give me a scan so they can see what is going on! is there a Pacific scan that they do to pick up scar tissue?

Since becoming sick i feel like Ive been on a big spiritual journey,its amazing! the feeling of peace, been so in touch with myself, i finally except my breast aren't prefect and all that matters is good health and happiness. All i long for now is to get better so i can keep up with my 2 girls aged 6 years and 15 months (they are full of energy!!).

If i had one wish it would be for us all to be 100% fit and health!

Thanks

Big hug X

From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...>Subject: Re: My saline implant made me ill Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 9:25 PM

Hi and welcome to our group,I apologize that you have not had a response so far. Your story mirrorsthat of many of the women who have come to our group in the past....andthere are thousands and thousands of women who are not part of thisgroup who live out among us and have suffered in the same way afterreceiving implants. It is not a rare thing....it has happened tohundreds of thousands of women over the past 5 decades! Their storieshave been told to the FDA and in the news media, but not too manyprofessionals in the medical field seem to even care.Your symptoms are consistent with what we've heard women talking about. And these symptoms can appear at any time during the breast implantexperience, from immediately after surgery (and this is usually a suddenand drastic event in the health decline), to decades later when theimmune system has finally reached a breaking point.Removing the

implants correctly can be the vital puzzle piece that helpsus heal. You have found that to be the case so far, it appears. What Iwant to suggest is that there are several things you might consider asyou continue on your healing journey. First, that it takes sometimesyears before women feel really good again. For me personally, it tookover 4 years to feel great again, and get over that dreadful feeling ofhaving been poisoned.The other important consideration is the status of your scar tissue. Wasit removed at the time of explant? Was it fully and totally removed, oronly partially? There are doctors in the breast implant field who haveargued that a total capsule removal is necessary for the best chance toproperly heal and regain health, while others have suggested that thecapsule will dissolve in the body if it is left there. There is noverifiable evidence for us to believe that this is so. IN fact,

Dr.Pierre Blais has written an article to argue that a scar tissue that itleft to sit in the body becomes a potential risk to the long term healthof the patient.I'm pretty sure that it was your implant that did this to you as well,based on the consistency of your symptoms to the other ladiesexperiences. The good news is that yes, you can recover from thispoisoning. It takes time, some effort at detoxing, lifestyle changes toinclude natural foods, hormone balancing, supplements to supportdeficiences, and a good dose of patience and a desire to grow inmaturity through the process. I have found that while taking the timeto heal physically, I healed spiritually as well, and reached a higherlevel of peace and contentment with my new body in the process. It wastruly liberating.I wish you wellness.... please continue to ask questions and keep usposted on your

concerns.Hugs,Patty>> Hi, I had saline implant put in 10 years ago but i had it removed inmarch this year. I found myself getting terribly ill in august last yearwhen i discovered my implant had been leaking, I had a long list ofabsolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual tension headaches whichlasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness, lightheaded, balanceproblem, visual problem, brain frog, confusion,concentra tion, memory,speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and needles, hair loss,skinproblem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain, stomach pain, ibs,chronicfatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its been just over a

yearnow and i am feeling a bit better now but still have dizziness and thebrain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood tests and MRI but allcomes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the implant that did all this tome.> Did anyone else have the same illnesses? and do you ever recover fromthis poisoning?>> Peace and love to you all. x>

[Guest guest]

Hi patty, ive seen my operation notes and the surgeon did not take out the capsule as she said it was minimal. I saw another surgeon yesterday and he wont take the capsule out as he said it was dangerous as he had a bad experience taking one out before. He said the scar tissue isnt a problem. He denied that the implants cause problems and that people like me think to much about the implants and that we basically imagine that we are ill so there for thats why we are ill, crazy!! he also said hes had many women come to him with the same complaints but he just does not believe. He told me to go and see my surgeon and have a word with her to see if she will take the capsule out. I really dont think she will, she comes across so heartless and has no time for anyone. I cant believe how horrible some people

can be, im amazed how doctors just dont listen or help.

Its a scarey world!

I hope your ok, thanks for helping me i would have never Known what to look for or what to ask, just wished i found you sooner.

love xx hoo.com> wrote:

From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...>Subject: Re: My saline implant made me ill Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:56 PM

,The answers are in Dr. Pierre Blais's report. Check out the other files at this site about retained scar tissue as well; there are quite a few. Please read them carefully! And read this one from Dr. Blais:http://runningrace. freeyellow. com/explantation /en_bloc. htmlBy: Dr. Pierre Blais, PhDContamination of the space between the capsule and the implants bymicro- organisms, silicone oils, degradation products and gel impuritiesconstitutes a major problem which potentates the risk of implants. Suchproblems include inflammation, infection, deposition of mineral debris, aswell as certain autoimmune phenomena. These problems can be present whenimplants are in situ (in the body) and are often attributable to the implant.The logical expectation is that, upon removal of the implants, adverseeffects will cease. This is an

unjustifiably optimistic view. It is welldocumented from case histories that removal and or replacement of implantswithout exhaustive debridement of the prosthetic site leads to failure andpost surgical complications.Plastic surgery procedure lead to favor speed and immediate cosmeticresults. For these reasons, leaving or "reusing" tissue from an existingcapsule may seem more "gratifying" . However, adverse effects resulting fromthe practice are widespread but have not been well documented. Typically,patients who require removal of faulty implants and undergo immediate re-implantation in the same prosthetic site habitually relapse with the sameproblem which motivated the previous surgery; the most common example isexchange of implants and/or sectorizing or bisecting the capsule withoutremoving it completely.Such patients rarely achieve a significant capsular correction andhabitually return

for more similar surgery. A more illustrative situation isthat where patients do not receive replacement implants. They form the basisof knowledge for evaluating the risks that arise from remaining capsules. Anexample is described in a paper published in 1993 (Copeland, M., Kessel, A.,Spiera, H., Hermann, G., Bleiweiss, I. J.; Systemic Inflammatory DisorderRelated To Fibrous Breast Capsules After Silicone Implant Removal; Plasticand Reconstructive Surgery: 92 (6), 1179-1181, 1993): reported problemsderived primarily from immune phenomena and inflammatory syndromes with pain,swelling, serologic abnormalities and alarming radiologic presentation.Numerous similar cases have been noted amongst implant patients buthave not been the object of publications. Some are cited in FDA ReactionReports. Others appear in the US Pharmacopoeia Reporting Programs.A residual capsule is not a stable entity. It may

collapse uponcompletion of surgery and remain asymptomatic for some time, however, it willfill with extracellular fluid and remain as a fluid-filled space with addedblood and prosthetic debris. As the wall matures and the breast remodels toaccommodate the loss of the prostheses, the capsular tissue shrinks. Water aswell as electrolytes are expelled gradually from the pocket or else themixture is concentrated from leakage of water from the semi-permeable capsularmembrane wall.In most cases, calcium salts precipitate during that stage and may render thecapsule visible as a radiodense and speckled zone in radiographic projections.Prosthetic debris is also radiodense and may be imaged to further complicatethe presentation. The average size of the residual capsules after 6-12 monthsis in the 2-7 cm range: most are compact, comparatively small and dense.Surgical removal should present no difficulty for

most patients if adequateradiographic information is available.Later stages of maturation include the thickening of the capsule wall,sometimes reaching 0.5-1cm. Compression of the debris into a cluster ofnodules which actually become calcifies follows for some patients. A fewmimic malignancies. Others appear as small "prostheses" during mammographicstudies. They are alarming to oncologists and are habitually signaled forfurther studies or biopsies by oncologic radiologists.In light of the present knowledge and considering the probable contentof the residual closed capsules, an open or needle biopsy is not advisable.The risks of releasing significant amounts of hazardous contamination andpossibly spreading infective entities outweighs the advantage of thediagnostic. At any rate, such a capsule requires removal for mitigation ofsymptoms and a more direct surgical approach appears more economical

and lessrisky.In summary, a capsule with a dense fibro-collagenous wall behaves as abioreactor. Worse yet, it is fitted with a semi-permeable wall that mayperiodically open to release its content to the breast. The probability offinding the space colonized with atypical microorganisms is elevated and thecontrol of infective processes by classic pharmacologic approaches isdifficult if not impossible.Such closed capsular spaces may be comparable to "artificial organs"of unpredictable functions. Their behavior will depend on the content and theage of the structure, its maturity and the history of the patient. There is ahigh probability that these capsules will continue to evolve for many years,adding more layers of fibro-collagenous tissue and possibly granulomatousmaterial. If bacterial entities are present within the capsule space, theycan culminate in large breast abscesses withwill

resist conservative treatments.Even with less active capsules containing mostly oily and calciticdebris, the thickening of the wall leads eventually to solid "tumor-likestructures" and are, by themselves, alarming on auscultation and selfexamination. At best, such structures are unique environments for proteindenaturation and aberrant biochemical reactions with unknown long termconsequences.Pierre Blais, PhDInnoval, 496 Westminster Ave., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada KeA 2V1613.728-8688, Fax: 613.728-0687Pierre Blais, PhD received his undergraduate and graduate degrees in physical-organic polymer chemistry from McGill University in Montreal, Canada, and aPostdoctorate Fellowship in biomaterials engineering at Case WesternUniversity in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1976 he became one of the first scientiststo join the medical devices and radiological health program of the Departmentof Health and

Welfare in Canada. He left the department in 1989 as SeniorScientific Advisor and formed Innoval Consultants, a firm engaged in thedesign, testing and failure analysis of high risk medical systems. He hasauthored over 250 publications on medical materials and their interactionswith living tissues.> >> > Hi, I had saline implant put in 10 years ago but i had it removed in march this year. I found myself getting terribly ill in august last year when i discovered my implant had been leaking, I had a long list of absolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual tension headaches which lasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness, lightheaded, balance problem, visual problem, brain frog,

confusion,concentra tion, memory, speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and needles, hair loss,skin problem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain, stomach pain, ibs,chronic fatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its been just over a year now and i am feeling a bit better now but still have dizziness and the brain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood tests and MRI but all comes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the implant that did all this to me. > > Did anyone else have the same illnesses? and do you ever recover from this poisoning?> > > > Peace and love to you all. x> >> Hi.....I have been reading Patty's response, and I am still not clear why the scar tissue capsule has to be removed. This capsule is opened up to take out the implant, isn't it? Doesn't the surgeon flush the inside of the capsule to get out any debris? It would be the same as if a

surgeon did abdominal surgery and flushed out the abdominal cavity before closing. If the implant is removed there is no part of it left behind. The capsule is only scar tissue, just like the scar tissue left at any surgical site. Wouldn't removing the scar tissue capsule cause more damage than leaving it in? My implant is under my chest muscle. If the capsule is removed, isn't there a risk of damage to the muscle, and deformity? I am having a problem finding answeres to these questions. If you could help that would be great. >

[Guest guest]

Hi..........I think that I am going to encounter the same thing when I see this surgeon in March. I will probably have my capsules left in. As I live in Ontario Canada, there are only certain surgeons who remove implants under our government plan. I unfortunately cannot travel to big centers, like Toronto, to have my implants removed. The doctor I am seeing is in Kitchener Ontario. His name is Dr.. Mohamed Elmaraghy. I would really appreciated any feedback on him. I haven't found out anything about his method of implant removal. Thanks.

From: M RICHARDSON <richardson343@...> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 6:23:19 PMSubject: Re: Re: My saline implant made me ill

Hi patty, ive seen my operation notes and the surgeon did not take out the capsule as she said it was minimal. I saw another surgeon yesterday and he wont take the capsule out as he said it was dangerous as he had a bad experience taking one out before. He said the scar tissue isnt a problem. He denied that the implants cause problems and that people like me think to much about the implants and that we basically imagine that we are ill so there for thats why we are ill, crazy!! he also said hes had many women come to him with the same complaints but he just does not believe. He told me to go and see my surgeon and have a word with her to see if she will take the capsule out. I really dont think she will, she comes across so heartless and has no time for anyone. I cant believe how horrible some people can be, im amazed how doctors just dont listen or help.

Its a scarey world!

I hope your ok, thanks for helping me i would have never Known what to look for or what to ask, just wished i found you sooner.

love xx hoo.com> wrote:

From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401>Subject: Re: My saline implant made me ill Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:56 PM

,The answers are in Dr. Pierre Blais's report. Check out the other files at this site about retained scar tissue as well; there are quite a few. Please read them carefully! And read this one from Dr. Blais:http://runningrace. freeyellow. com/explantation /en_bloc. htmlBy: Dr. Pierre Blais, PhDContamination of the space between the capsule and the implants bymicro- organisms, silicone oils, degradation products and gel impuritiesconstitutes a major problem which potentates the risk of implants. Suchproblems include inflammation, infection, deposition of mineral debris, aswell as certain autoimmune phenomena. These problems can be present whenimplants are in situ (in the body) and are often attributable to the implant.The logical expectation is that, upon removal of the implants, adverseeffects will cease. This is an

unjustifiably optimistic view. It is welldocumented from case histories that removal and or replacement of implantswithout exhaustive debridement of the prosthetic site leads to failure andpost surgical complications.Plastic surgery procedure lead to favor speed and immediate cosmeticresults. For these reasons, leaving or "reusing" tissue from an existingcapsule may seem more "gratifying" . However, adverse effects resulting fromthe practice are widespread but have not been well documented. Typically,patients who require removal of faulty implants and undergo immediate re-implantation in the same prosthetic site habitually relapse with the sameproblem which motivated the previous surgery; the most common example isexchange of implants and/or sectorizing or bisecting the capsule withoutremoving it completely.Such patients rarely achieve a significant capsular correction andhabitually return

for more similar surgery. A more illustrative situation isthat where patients do not receive replacement implants. They form the basisof knowledge for evaluating the risks that arise from remaining capsules. Anexample is described in a paper published in 1993 (Copeland, M., Kessel, A.,Spiera, H., Hermann, G., Bleiweiss, I. J.; Systemic Inflammatory DisorderRelated To Fibrous Breast Capsules After Silicone Implant Removal; Plasticand Reconstructive Surgery: 92 (6), 1179-1181, 1993): reported problemsderived primarily from immune phenomena and inflammatory syndromes with pain,swelling, serologic abnormalities and alarming radiologic presentation.Numerous similar cases have been noted amongst implant patients buthave not been the object of publications. Some are cited in FDA ReactionReports. Others appear in the US Pharmacopoeia Reporting Programs.A residual capsule is not a stable entity. It may

collapse uponcompletion of surgery and remain asymptomatic for some time, however, it willfill with extracellular fluid and remain as a fluid-filled space with addedblood and prosthetic debris. As the wall matures and the breast remodels toaccommodate the loss of the prostheses, the capsular tissue shrinks. Water aswell as electrolytes are expelled gradually from the pocket or else themixture is concentrated from leakage of water from the semi-permeable capsularmembrane wall.In most cases, calcium salts precipitate during that stage and may render thecapsule visible as a radiodense and speckled zone in radiographic projections..Prosthetic debris is also radiodense and may be imaged to further complicatethe presentation. The average size of the residual capsules after 6-12 monthsis in the 2-7 cm range: most are compact, comparatively small and dense.Surgical removal should present no difficulty for

most patients if adequateradiographic information is available.Later stages of maturation include the thickening of the capsule wall,sometimes reaching 0.5-1cm. Compression of the debris into a cluster ofnodules which actually become calcifies follows for some patients. A fewmimic malignancies. Others appear as small "prostheses" during mammographicstudies. They are alarming to oncologists and are habitually signaled forfurther studies or biopsies by oncologic radiologists.In light of the present knowledge and considering the probable contentof the residual closed capsules, an open or needle biopsy is not advisable.The risks of releasing significant amounts of hazardous contamination andpossibly spreading infective entities outweighs the advantage of thediagnostic. At any rate, such a capsule requires removal for mitigation ofsymptoms and a more direct surgical approach appears more economical

and lessrisky.In summary, a capsule with a dense fibro-collagenous wall behaves as abioreactor. Worse yet, it is fitted with a semi-permeable wall that mayperiodically open to release its content to the breast. The probability offinding the space colonized with atypical microorganisms is elevated and thecontrol of infective processes by classic pharmacologic approaches isdifficult if not impossible.Such closed capsular spaces may be comparable to "artificial organs"of unpredictable functions. Their behavior will depend on the content and theage of the structure, its maturity and the history of the patient. There is ahigh probability that these capsules will continue to evolve for many years,adding more layers of fibro-collagenous tissue and possibly granulomatousmaterial. If bacterial entities are present within the capsule space, theycan culminate in large breast abscesses withwill

resist conservative treatments.Even with less active capsules containing mostly oily and calciticdebris, the thickening of the wall leads eventually to solid "tumor-likestructures" and are, by themselves, alarming on auscultation and selfexamination. At best, such structures are unique environments for proteindenaturation and aberrant biochemical reactions with unknown long termconsequences.Pierre Blais, PhDInnoval, 496 Westminster Ave., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada KeA 2V1613.728-8688, Fax: 613.728-0687Pierre Blais, PhD received his undergraduate and graduate degrees in physical-organic polymer chemistry from McGill University in Montreal, Canada, and aPostdoctorate Fellowship in biomaterials engineering at Case WesternUniversity in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1976 he became one of the first scientiststo join the medical devices and radiological health program of the Departmentof Health and

Welfare in Canada. He left the department in 1989 as SeniorScientific Advisor and formed Innoval Consultants, a firm engaged in thedesign, testing and failure analysis of high risk medical systems. He hasauthored over 250 publications on medical materials and their interactionswith living tissues.> >> > Hi, I had saline implant put in 10 years ago but i had it removed in march this year. I found myself getting terribly ill in august last year when i discovered my implant had been leaking, I had a long list of absolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual tension headaches which lasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness, lightheaded, balance problem, visual problem, brain frog,

confusion,concentra tion, memory, speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and needles, hair loss,skin problem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain, stomach pain, ibs,chronic fatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its been just over a year now and i am feeling a bit better now but still have dizziness and the brain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood tests and MRI but all comes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the implant that did all this to me. > > Did anyone else have the same illnesses? and do you ever recover from this poisoning?> > > > Peace and love to you all. x> >> Hi.....I have been reading Patty's response, and I am still not clear why the scar tissue capsule has to be removed. This capsule is opened up to take out the implant, isn't it? Doesn't the surgeon flush the inside of the capsule to get out any debris? It would be the same as if a

surgeon did abdominal surgery and flushed out the abdominal cavity before closing. If the implant is removed there is no part of it left behind. The capsule is only scar tissue, just like the scar tissue left at any surgical site. Wouldn't removing the scar tissue capsule cause more damage than leaving it in? My implant is under my chest muscle. If the capsule is removed, isn't there a risk of damage to the muscle, and deformity? I am having a problem finding answeres to these questions. If you could help that would be great. >

[Guest guest]

My Dear :

I am so sorry that your doctor did not remove the capsules, because he should know that it is important. Please call Dr. Blais, and he will know who would be best to remove the capsules. I did not have my capsules removed, and my implants were under the muscle. We live in Edmonton, and there is a doctor near Calgary who is very good. He is a plastic surgeon. I guess that would be a long trip for you as well.

Good luck...stay close to us...love....Lea

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Re: My saline implant made me ill Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:56 PM

,The answers are in Dr. Pierre Blais's report. Check out the other files at this site about retained scar tissue as well; there are quite a few. Please read them carefully! And read this one from Dr. Blais:http://runningrace. freeyellow. com/explantation /en_bloc. htmlBy: Dr. Pierre Blais, PhDContamination of the space between the capsule and the implants bymicro- organisms, silicone oils, degradation products and gel impuritiesconstitutes a major problem which potentates the risk of implants. Suchproblems include inflammation, infection, deposition of mineral debris, aswell as certain autoimmune phenomena. These problems can be present whenimplants are in situ (in the body) and are often attributable to the implant.The logical expectation is that, upon removal of the implants, adverseeffects will cease. This is an unjustifiably optimistic view. It is welldocumented from case histories that removal and or replacement of implantswithout exhaustive debridement of the prosthetic site leads to failure andpost surgical complications.Plastic surgery procedure lead to favor speed and immediate cosmeticresults. For these reasons, leaving or "reusing" tissue from an existingcapsule may seem more "gratifying" . However, adverse effects resulting fromthe practice are widespread but have not been well documented. Typically,patients who require removal of faulty implants and undergo immediate re-implantation in the same prosthetic site habitually relapse with the sameproblem which motivated the previous surgery; the most common example isexchange of implants and/or sectorizing or bisecting the capsule withoutremoving it completely.Such patients rarely achieve a significant capsular correction andhabitually return for more similar surgery. A more illustrative situation isthat where patients do not receive replacement implants. They form the basisof knowledge for evaluating the risks that arise from remaining capsules. Anexample is described in a paper published in 1993 (Copeland, M., Kessel, A.,Spiera, H., Hermann, G., Bleiweiss, I. J.; Systemic Inflammatory DisorderRelated To Fibrous Breast Capsules After Silicone Implant Removal; Plasticand Reconstructive Surgery: 92 (6), 1179-1181, 1993): reported problemsderived primarily from immune phenomena and inflammatory syndromes with pain,swelling, serologic abnormalities and alarming radiologic presentation.Numerous similar cases have been noted amongst implant patients buthave not been the object of publications. Some are cited in FDA ReactionReports. Others appear in the US Pharmacopoeia Reporting Programs.A residual capsule is not a stable entity. It may collapse uponcompletion of surgery and remain asymptomatic for some time, however, it willfill with extracellular fluid and remain as a fluid-filled space with addedblood and prosthetic debris. As the wall matures and the breast remodels toaccommodate the loss of the prostheses, the capsular tissue shrinks. Water aswell as electrolytes are expelled gradually from the pocket or else themixture is concentrated from leakage of water from the semi-permeable capsularmembrane wall.In most cases, calcium salts precipitate during that stage and may render thecapsule visible as a radiodense and speckled zone in radiographic projections..Prosthetic debris is also radiodense and may be imaged to further complicatethe presentation. The average size of the residual capsules after 6-12 monthsis in the 2-7 cm range: most are compact, comparatively small and dense.Surgical removal should present no difficulty for most patients if adequateradiographic information is available.Later stages of maturation include the thickening of the capsule wall,sometimes reaching 0.5-1cm. Compression of the debris into a cluster ofnodules which actually become calcifies follows for some patients. A fewmimic malignancies. Others appear as small "prostheses" during mammographicstudies. They are alarming to oncologists and are habitually signaled forfurther studies or biopsies by oncologic radiologists.In light of the present knowledge and considering the probable contentof the residual closed capsules, an open or needle biopsy is not advisable.The risks of releasing significant amounts of hazardous contamination andpossibly spreading infective entities outweighs the advantage of thediagnostic. At any rate, such a capsule requires removal for mitigation ofsymptoms and a more direct surgical approach appears more economical and lessrisky.In summary, a capsule with a dense fibro-collagenous wall behaves as abioreactor. Worse yet, it is fitted with a semi-permeable wall that mayperiodically open to release its content to the breast. The probability offinding the space colonized with atypical microorganisms is elevated and thecontrol of infective processes by classic pharmacologic approaches isdifficult if not impossible.Such closed capsular spaces may be comparable to "artificial organs"of unpredictable functions. Their behavior will depend on the content and theage of the structure, its maturity and the history of the patient. There is ahigh probability that these capsules will continue to evolve for many years,adding more layers of fibro-collagenous tissue and possibly granulomatousmaterial. If bacterial entities are present within the capsule space, theycan culminate in large breast abscesses withwill resist conservative treatments.Even with less active capsules containing mostly oily and calciticdebris, the thickening of the wall leads eventually to solid "tumor-likestructures" and are, by themselves, alarming on auscultation and selfexamination. At best, such structures are unique environments for proteindenaturation and aberrant biochemical reactions with unknown long termconsequences.Pierre Blais, PhDInnoval, 496 Westminster Ave., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada KeA 2V1613.728-8688, Fax: 613.728-0687Pierre Blais, PhD received his undergraduate and graduate degrees in physical-organic polymer chemistry from McGill University in Montreal, Canada, and aPostdoctorate Fellowship in biomaterials engineering at Case WesternUniversity in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1976 he became one of the first scientiststo join the medical devices and radiological health program of the Departmentof Health and Welfare in Canada. He left the department in 1989 as SeniorScientific Advisor and formed Innoval Consultants, a firm engaged in thedesign, testing and failure analysis of high risk medical systems. He hasauthored over 250 publications on medical materials and their interactionswith living tissues.> >> > Hi, I had saline implant put in 10 years ago but i had it removed in march this year. I found myself getting terribly ill in august last year when i discovered my implant had been leaking, I had a long list of absolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual tension headaches which lasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness, lightheaded, balance problem, visual problem, brain frog, confusion,concentra tion, memory, speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and needles, hair loss,skin problem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain, stomach pain, ibs,chronic fatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its been just over a year now and i am feeling a bit better now but still have dizziness and the brain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood tests and MRI but all comes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the implant that did all this to me. > > Did anyone else have the same illnesses? and do you ever recover from this poisoning?> > > > Peace and love to you all. x> >> Hi.....I have been reading Patty's response, and I am still not clear why the scar tissue capsule has to be removed. This capsule is opened up to take out the implant, isn't it? Doesn't the surgeon flush the inside of the capsule to get out any debris? It would be the same as if a surgeon did abdominal surgery and flushed out the abdominal cavity before closing. If the implant is removed there is no part of it left behind. The capsule is only scar tissue, just like the scar tissue left at any surgical site. Wouldn't removing the scar tissue capsule cause more damage than leaving it in? My implant is under my chest muscle. If the capsule is removed, isn't there a risk of damage to the muscle, and deformity? I am having a problem finding answeres to these questions. If you could help that would be great. >

[Guest guest]

hi patty, im now waiting to see my surgeon, hopefully she will see me soon, if

she doesn't do my second surgery then i'll have to go private and i have no idea

who is a good plastic surgeon, I live in London England and ive been receiving

treatment through the nhs which is a free service but i have a feeling that

private might be the best solution. Does anyone Know roughly how much surgery

costs?

Thanks XXX

> From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...>

> Subject: Re: My saline implant made me ill

>

> Date: Saturday, 3 October, 2009, 4:26 PM

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> ,

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> These kinds of reports of how doctors treat their patients

> sends a

>

> shudder up my spine and makes me so mad!

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> There is no excuse for this kind of insulting behavior at

> all.

>

> These doctors should be reported and receive disciplinary

> action.

>

>

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> He is a worthless doctor. Totally worthless, if he can

> have many women

>

> coming to them with the same complaints, and yet he refuses

> to believe

>

> them. What good is he if he is only going to treat from

> his viewpoint

>

> and not theirs? Worthless!!! !!!!!

>

>

>

> The other one doesn't sound much better....and this is

> the very reason

>

> that we urge women to go to those doctors we KNOW of that

> realy do care

>

> and can do a proper explant!!!

>

>

>

> Dr. Lu Feng in Cleveland OH

>

> Dr. Kolb in Atlanta, GA

>

> Dr. Huang in Denver CO

>

> and

>

> DR. Ed Melmed in Dallas TX (though you MUST discuss total

> capsulectomy

>

> with him)

>

>

>

> The only concern I have in your case is just what

> " Minimal " means to the

>

> doctor who took yours out.

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>

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> Minimal can mean different things to different doctors, and

> there may be

>

> a point where minimal is still too much if you are sick.

>

>

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> I am doing very well, and my prayer is that you will heal

> also!

>

>

>

> You are in a tough position, which I wish no woman to be

> in, and that is

>

> not knowing if the scar tissue is keeping you from getting

> better. It

>

> would be much better to have it all out and have the peace

> of knowing

>

> you've done everything possible regarding the explant

> surgery. When it

>

> comes to that scar tissue, the only peace you can really

> have is in

>

> knowing it is all gone. It's a priceless peace to

> have. So, you may

>

> have to have a second surgery, as some women have done, to

> remove that

>

> scar tissue. It is your call.

>

>

>

> I wish you well , and at this point, the best thing

> you can do is

>

> to detox your body fully, and keep working at getting

> better through

>

> natural therapies. You may be completely successful

> without that second

>

> surgery. It's worth the effort to try!

>

>

>

> Hugs,

>

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Hi, I had saline implant put in 10 years ago

> but i had it removed

>

> in march this year. I found myself getting terribly ill in

> august last

>

> year when i discovered my implant had been leaking, I had a

> long list of

>

> absolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual tension

> headaches which

>

> lasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness,

> lightheaded, balance

>

> problem, visual problem, brain frog, confusion,concentra

> tion, memory,

>

> speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and needles,

> hair loss,skin

>

> problem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain, stomach pain,

> ibs,chronic

>

> fatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its been just

> over a year

>

> now and i am feeling a bit better now but still have

> dizziness and the

>

> brain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood tests and

> MRI but all

>

> comes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the implant

> that did all this to

>

> me.

>

> > > > Did anyone else have the same illnesses? and

> do you ever recover

>

> from this poisoning?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Peace and love to you all. x

>

> > > >

>

> > > Hi.....I have been reading Patty's response,

> and I am still not

>

> clear why the scar tissue capsule has to be removed. This

> capsule is

>

> opened up to take out the implant, isn't it?

> Doesn't the surgeon flush

>

> the inside of the capsule to get out any debris? It would

> be the same as

>

> if a surgeon did abdominal surgery and flushed out the

> abdominal cavity

>

> before closing. If the implant is removed there is no part

> of it left

>

> behind. The capsule is only scar tissue, just like the scar

> tissue left

>

> at any surgical site. Wouldn't removing the scar tissue

> capsule cause

>

> more damage than leaving it in? My implant is under my

> chest muscle. If

>

> the capsule is removed, isn't there a risk of damage to

> the muscle, and

>

> deformity? I am having a problem finding answeres to these

> questions. If

>

> you could help that would be great.

>

> > >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Thank you very much patty. xx

> From: glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...>

> Subject: Re: My saline implant made me ill

>

> Date: Monday, 5 October, 2009, 2:33 PM

>

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>  

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>

>

> ,

>

> We have some members on our support group from England, so

> I will write them and have them help you through this. Let

> me know if you do not hear from them.

>

> God bless you,

>

> Patty

>

>

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Hi, I had saline implant put in 10

> years ago

>

> > > but i had it removed

>

> > >

>

> > > in march this year. I found myself getting

> terribly ill in

>

> > > august last

>

> > >

>

> > > year when i discovered my implant had been

> leaking, I had a

>

> > > long list of

>

> > >

>

> > > absolutely horrible sickness! i suffered unusual

> tension

>

> > > headaches which

>

> > >

>

> > > lasted everyday for 7 months,vertigo, dizziness,

>

> > > lightheaded, balance

>

> > >

>

> > > problem, visual problem, brain frog,

> confusion,concentra

>

> > > tion, memory,

>

> > >

>

> > > speech, panic attack, anxiety attacks, pins and

> needles,

>

> > > hair loss,skin

>

> > >

>

> > > problem on hands, feeling sick , chest pain,

> stomach pain,

>

> > > ibs,chronic

>

> > >

>

> > > fatigue and doing simple things exhaust me. Its

> been just

>

> > > over a year

>

> > >

>

> > > now and i am feeling a bit better now but still

> have

>

> > > dizziness and the

>

> > >

>

> > > brain fog. The doctors wont listen they did blood

> tests and

>

> > > MRI but all

>

> > >

>

> > > comes back fine. I'm pretty sure it was the

> implant

>

> > > that did all this to

>

> > >

>

> > > me.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Did anyone else have the same

> illnesses? and

>

> > > do you ever recover

>

> > >

>

> > > from this poisoning?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Peace and love to you all. x

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Hi.....I have been reading Patty's

> response,

>

> > > and I am still not

>

> > >

>

> > > clear why the scar tissue capsule has to be

> removed. This

>

> > > capsule is

>

> > >

>

> > > opened up to take out the implant, isn't it?

>

> > > Doesn't the surgeon flush

>

> > >

>

> > > the inside of the capsule to get out any debris?

> It would

>

> > > be the same as

>

> > >

>

> > > if a surgeon did abdominal surgery and flushed

> out the

>

> > > abdominal cavity

>

> > >

>

> > > before closing. If the implant is removed there

> is no part

>

> > > of it left

>

> > >

>

> > > behind. The capsule is only scar tissue, just

> like the scar

>

> > > tissue left

>

> > >

>

> > > at any surgical site. Wouldn't removing the

> scar tissue

>

> > > capsule cause

>

> > >

>

> > > more damage than leaving it in? My implant is

> under my

>

> > > chest muscle. If

>

> > >

>

> > > the capsule is removed, isn't there a risk of

> damage to

>

> > > the muscle, and

>

> > >

>

> > > deformity? I am having a problem finding answeres

> to these

>

> > > questions. If

>

> > >

>

> > > you could help that would be great.

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