Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Patty ~ With your history, could you be having cell memory ? or even antibody freak-out due to your experience with the venom, and hospital stay with what all they gave you ? ? You also had a new exposure to silicone and mercury while in the hospital.....even alittle may have freaked out your system.....Because silicone, and no telling what else, causes protein excesses, and stimulation of dis-ease has much to do with protein excesses, then perhaps that is one reason the whey protein didnt work for you, as well as your body reacting so funky....... Kefir makes its own whey protein, I bet you will be fine with that........ I would get copies of your hospital records to include everything even nurse notes, and every single med or IV you had. You have to be specific. Even ask for Labs. That way you can compare what they were on a scorpion bite then how they were after it and on steroids....... and the IV's....then you can compare them to the current labs you will be getting...... Happy Mothers Day ~ Dede Here is some info you need to perhaps print out and refer to: Medrol Dosepak Side Effects | Drugs.com http://www.drugs.com/sfx/medrol-dosepak-side-effects.html#system_12873 General side effects Adverse effects have occurred less frequently when minimum dosages have been administered. Adverse effects of corticosteroid therapy may be subdivided into those associated with short-term therapy (to three weeks) and those of long-term therapy (> three weeks). Short-term effects have included sodium retention-related weight gain and fluid accumulation, hyperglycemia and glucose intolerance, hypokalemia, gastrointestinal upset and ulceration, reversible depression of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, and mood changes ranging from mild euphoria and insomnia to nervousness, restlessness, mania, catatonia, depression, delusions, hallucinations, and violent behavior. Long-term effects have included HPA suppression, Cushingoid appearance, hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities, peptic ulcer disease, cataracts and increased intraocular pressure/glaucoma, myopathy, osteoporosis, and vertebral compression fractures. Cardiovascular side effects Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension and congestive heart failure due to long-term fluid retention as well as direct vascular effects.Hypertension has been associated with long-term therapy with corticosteroids and is thought to be due to fluid retention. Endocrine side effects Endocrine side effects have included decreased glucose tolerance and hyperglycemia resulting in diabetes-like symptoms. Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal activity has been suppressed 12 months or more following long-term corticosteroid administration. Cushingoid appearance commonly has occurred with chronic therapy. Hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities may occur.Corticosteroid therapy may induce glucose intolerance by reducing the utilization of glucose in tissues and increasing hepatic glucose output. Patients on alternate day therapy may exhibit significantly higher serum glucose on the day methylprednisolone is taken. Diabetes mellitus requiring diet modifications and hypoglycemic agents has developed in some patients. Adrenal suppression can persist for up to twelve months after long-term corticosteroid therapy. Adrenal suppression may be reduced by giving corticosteroids once a day or once every other day. After corticosteroid therapy has been tapered, supplemental corticosteroid therapy during times of physical stress may be required. Gastrointestinal side effects Gastrointestinal side effects have included gastrointestinal upset, nausea, vomiting, and peptic ulcer disease. Pancreatitis, ulcerative esophagitis, gastrointestinal perforation and hemorrhage have also been reported.Gastrointestinal effects most commonly occurring during corticosteroid therapy have included nausea, vomiting, dyspepsia, and anorexia. Peptic ulcer disease has been associated with long-term corticosteroid therapy, but is relatively uncommon. Routine prophylactic therapy is not warranted in all individuals. Aluminum/magnesium containing antacids generally have been used to manage GI complaints without significant drug interactions. Metabolic side effects Metabolic side effects have included hypernatremia (rare), hypokalemia, fluid retention, negative nitrogen balance and increase in blood urea nitrogen concentration. Musculoskeletal side effects Corticosteroid myopathy presenting as weakness and wasting of the proximal limb and girdle muscles has occurred, but has generally resolved following cessation of therapy. Corticosteroids inhibit intestinal absorption and increase urinary excretion of calcium leading to bone resorption and bone loss. Bone loss of 3% over one year has been demonstrated with prednisolone 10 mg per day. Postmenopausal females are at risk of loss of bone density. Up to 16% of elderly patients treated with corticosteroids for 5 years may experience vertebral compression fractures. One author reported measurable bone loss over two years in women on concomitant therapy with prednisone 7.5 mg per day and tamoxifen. Musculoskeletal side effects have included myopathy, osteoporosis, vertebral compression fractures, tendon rupture (particularly the Achilles tendon), and aseptic necrosis of bone have occurred during corticosteroid therapy. Aseptic necrosis most often has affected the femoral head. Hematologic side effects Hematologic side effects have included thrombocytopenia, lymphopenia, and platelet alterations resulting in thrombolic events. Immunologic side effects Immunologic side effects have included impairment in cell-mediated immunity and increased susceptibility to bacterial, viral, fungal and parasitic infections. Immune response to skin tests may be suppressed. Hepatic side effects Hepatic side effects have included reversible increases in serum transaminase and alkaline phosphatase concentrations. Ocular side effects In renal transplant patients maintained on prednisone 10 mg per day, 33% developed posterior subcapsular cataracts. Mean time to cataract development was 26 months. Increased intraocular pressure has occurred in 5% of patients.Ocular side effects have included increased intraocular pressure, glaucoma, and posterior subcapsular cataracts .. Psychiatric side effects Psychiatric side effects have included psychoses, personality or behavioral changes, and pseudotumor cerebri. Dermatologic side effects Dermatologic side effects have included bruising, ecchymosis, petechiae striae, delayed wound healing, and acne .. Other side effects Other side effects have included a glucocorticoid withdrawal syndrome seen upon abrupt discontinuation of corticosteroid therapy that was not associated with adrenal suppression.Pseudorheumatism, or glucocorticoid-withdrawal syndrome not related to adrenal insufficiency has occurred on withdrawal of corticosteroids. Patients experienced anorexia, nausea, vomiting, lethargy, headache, fever, arthralgias, myalgias and postural hypotension. Symptoms resolved when corticosteroid therapy was reinstated. Oncologic side effects Oncologic side effects have included Kaposi's sarcoma. Clinical remission may occur with discontinuation of therapy. Hypersensitivity side effects Hypersensitivity side effects have included anaphylaxis with or without circulatory collapse, cardiac arrest, or bronchospasm with parenteral administration of methylprednisolone. Local side effects Local side effects have included hyperpigmentation, hypopigmentation, subcutaneous and cutaneous atrophy, and sterile abscess at injection sites following parenteral administration. Here is some interesting info on it : ( a study on rats, but I believe that the info I highlighted is interesting.) ABSTRACT: Scorpion venom neurotoxins are responsible for toxicity and pharmacological effects. They are active in sodium and potassium channels leading to an increase in the release of neurotransmitters, such as glutamate. Glutamate is found in large quantities in the hippocampus (HPC) and is involved in the long-term potentiation (LTP) induction. The HPC is known to be related to certain kinds of memory. The aim of this study is to evaluate the effects of Tityus serrulatus TS-8F toxin on rat behavior with emphasis on learning and memory. We analyzed the effects of different doses of TS-8F on rat behavior in home cages, open-field (habituation), inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and hippocampus morphology. In the first two experiments, 0.05µg/animal dose of TS-8F did not cause convulsion but led to a decrease in locomotion (LO) frequency in the open-field first session. During the second session, rats receiving 0.03µg/animal TS-8F showed a decrease in LO and rearing frequency (RE); controls only showed decreased LO; and those receiving 0.05µg/animal showed no significant changes. In inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and HPC morphology experiments no significant differences were observed. It is concluded that TS-8F may exert some influence in rat learning and memory and seems to be useful as a pharmacological tool. Further research is required to elucidate all possible uses of this toxin. KEY WORDS: learning and memory, scorpion neurotoxin, Tityus serrulatus, T-maze, open-field, passive avoidance, TS-8F toxin. http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php? Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins - EFFECTS OF SCORPION Tityus serrulatus VENOM TOXIN TS-8F ON RAT LEARNING AND MEMORY **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist & ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hi Beth! I think I am having the same type reaction to the adhesive, whatever it was. I still have the outline of the rectangles on my torso, and it's been 3 weeks now. They are slowly fading. Ah, doctors, doctors. I continue to be underwhelmed. Are you still seeing doctors? If so, what kind? This was an immunologist, so I had high hopes. I mentioned the implants and there was basically no response either way, which was good, but I have to wonder if there was an underlying disbelief in some of the things I said as a result. He basically said that I was going to be fine, I didn't need an Epi-pen, and he ordered some blood work. He dissed my previous food allergy tests, saying they were worthless. When I asked more specifics about the scorpion venom and what it does, he said he's also been stung by a scorpion, so he knows the pain I was in. He wasn't hospitalized, and was surprised at the double vision I had. He said that the venom, for some people, can affect the kidneys, and when I pointed out that I had several instances of pyelonephritis, he added some kidney function tests to the lab request. He' s going to test my immunoglobins also, test for tetanus, and basic blood work. There is one thing I can't stand about doctors, and that is when they lie. He told me to come back in 6 weeks, because that's how long it takes the lab work to come back. I acted shocked and asked why so long. He said because they have to send the blood out to different places and it takes time. So, my follow up appointment ended up being in August. (That's a heck of alot more than 6 weeks, wouldn't you say?) Then, when I had my blood drawn at the lab that afternoon, (I was fasting that day anyway), I asked when I could pick up a copy of the lab results myself. They said Tuesday.... even when I asked twice to make sure. So much for the 6 weeks baloney the doctor talked about. I am always so amazed that they think we are THAT DUMB. I'll let you guys know if there is any lab work out of whack when I get it. On another note, yesterday I broke my fast with some a raw milk protein shake (I bought some of Dr. Mercola's whey protein and wanted to try it.) I felt like crap the rest of the afternoon, and ended up going to bed about 4 PM and stayed there until this morning. I felt like my whole body was vibrating, even in the middle of the night. I feel a little better this morning, but I am unsettled about the response...and am wondering if it was anything to do with the casein in the milk. I am concerned about developing more food allergies because of the hit to my immune system with this scorpion venom. I may go see a neurologist....and there is actually one here in Vegas that KNOWS about breast implant illness because his wife was sick from them. I have a reason to go now I guess, with the neurotoxic effects of the venom. Good to hear from you! I hope you have been doing well. Hugs, Patty > > > > > > Patty ~ > > > You can mention it in reference to your > > > hashi's and let him make the connection > > > for you to implants if it ever comes up....... > > > That way you wont be immediately judged > > > and the doctor, stop listening to why you are there. > > > Dr Jerome Groupman wrote some booksm > > > " How doctors think " and > > > " The doctors in but is he listening ? " > > > > > > Groopman: The Doctor's In, But Is He Listening? : NPR > > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8946558 > > > A little paragraph: > > > Jerome Groopman is a doctor who discovered that he needed a doctor. When > > > his hand was hurt, he went to six prominent surgeons and got four different > > > opinions about what was wrong. Groopman was advised to have unnecessary > > > surgery and got a seemingly made-up diagnosis for a nonexistent > > > condition.Groopman, who holds a chair in medicine at Harvard Medical School, eventually found > > > a doctor who helped (Audio). But he didn't stop wondering about why those > > > other doctors made the wrong diagnoses. And he wrote about their mistakes in a > > > new book called How Doctors Think (Excerpt). > > > " Usually doctors are right, but conservatively about 15 percent of all > > > people are misdiagnosed. Some experts think it's as high as 20 to 25 percent, " > > > Groopman tells Steve Inskeep. " And in half of those cases, there is serious > > > injury or even death to the patient. " Why do you think that doctors would be > > > wrong that often?Well, you know, it's very hard to be a doctor. We're working > > > under tremendous time pressure, especially in the current medical system. > > > But the reasons we are wrong are not related to technical mistakes, like > > > someone putting the wrong name on an X-ray or mixing up a blood specimen in the > > > lab. Nor is it really ignorance about what the actual disease is. We make > > > misdiagnoses because we make errors in thinking.Errors in thinking...We use > > > shortcuts. Most doctors, within the first 18 seconds of seeing a patient, will > > > interrupt him telling his story and also generate an idea in his mind [of] > > > what's wrong. And too often, we make what's called an anchoring mistake †" we > > > fix on that snap judgment.Which could be based on the first thing the > > > patient says. It could be based on something on their chart or in their file that > > > somebody else has concluded in the past. It could be anything. > > > It could be anything. There's very frequently a telephone call that > > > precedes a visit where the first doctor says, 'Oh, you know this is a very nervous > > > woman who's in menopause and the feelings she's having are related to change > > > of life.' And that causes what's called an attribution error or a > > > stereotype and I write about that in the book where a woman saw five doctors. And she > > > said, 'You know what, I really feel these explosions in my body.' And > > > everyone thought she was crazy.And it turned out that she had a tumor that was > > > producing adrenaline. So every once in a while, the tumor would release this > > > burst of adrenaline which made her jittery and sweaty and nervous. And she > > > was indeed a high-strung person. But she said finally to the doctor who made > > > the right diagnosis, 'I know that I'm a tense individual, but something's > > > different. Something has changed.'What is some advice that you would give to > > > avoid misdiagnosing in this kind of situation?Most importantly, I think, the > > > patient and the doctor can partner. These thinking errors are made in the > > > moment. They're made when the doctor is listening to the patient or examining > > > the patient †" these snap judgments.Or not listening to the patient...Or not > > > listening to the patient. And so a patient or a family member or a friend who > > > knows how doctors think well and how they don't think well can help get the > > > doctor back on track by asking some appropriate questions.Give me an > > > example of a diagnosis or a meeting that's starting to go wrong and how you can > > > get it back on track with the right questions.Well, it's very common, for > > > example, that people feel what's called indigestion, pressure or sometimes > > > burning or pain in the center of their chest. And usually it's remedied with > > > antacids. But if that symptom persists, a patient or family member can say to > > > the doctor, 'What else could it be?' That is a central question, so the doctor > > > doesn't anchor his thinking just on acid reflux. Another important question > > > is: Could two things be going on? Could I actually have acid reflux but > > > something else? It could be angina, cardiac pain. To think that there's not > > > just one answer for a common symptom.Let me ask about some things that make > > > this more difficult. The patient starts prodding the doctor to think a little > > > bit more. The reality is the doctor has three of his or her minutes left with > > > this particular patient and that's all the time they've got. Well, I think > > > both doctors and patients need to basically resist together. It's not easy, > > > but one thing can be done, which is to schedule a follow-up appointment. But > > > to cut off someone who's still suffering and doesn't have an answer is not > > > the solution.What if you're sitting there with a doctor and you think the > > > doctor doesn't like you?This is a setup for bad care. I actually write about > > > one woman who irritated me and I shut my mind off to her. Her voice sounded > > > to me like nails scratching on a blackboard. It was when I was a resident. > > > She kept complaining and I just became deaf. And it turned out she had a tear > > > in her aorta. And it was fatal. She may have died anyway, but it's a > > > terrible thing. > > > I think if you feel that a doctor doesn't like you, then you can first say > > > with all candor, 'I feel like we're not connecting well.' But it's > > > interesting, when I asked physicians if they were a patient, and they felt that their > > > doctor didn't like them, what would they do? Each doctor said to me, 'I'd > > > find another doctor.' > > > Brutal bottom-line question: If everybody followed your advice, listened > > > more carefully, spent a little more time with patients, thought a little bit > > > more, would our health care cost more? I think it would cost less because > > > when you make a misdiagnosis that means that the patient gets sicker and > > > sometimes dies. So that the intensity of treatment that's required by not > > > detecting something early is much more costly than coming to the right diagnosis. > > > > > > OK, I got off subject, but I love that man and how he thinks ! Just be > > > careful what you tell him, and how you tell him things.... > > > I hope it goes well ! ! > > > Info on the complement test below.... > > > Complement component 3 (C3) > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003539.htm > > > Understanding the Immune System > > > Adapted by Thyroid Guide, J. Shomon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > > Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > > > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist & amp;ncid=emlcntusyelp00\ 000006) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 hi patty; if you go to a neurologist who knows about silicone, please let me know (or the group) what he says, as i am very inerested in finding someone like that who knows more about neurotoxins. hope youre feeling better. thanks. gg Re: answering you Beth Hi Beth!I think I am having the same type reaction to the adhesive, whatever itwas. I still have the outline of the rectangles on my torso, and it'sbeen 3 weeks now. They are slowly fading.Ah, doctors, doctors. I continue to be underwhelmed. Are you stillseeing doctors? If so, what kind?This was an immunologist, so I had high hopes. I mentioned the implantsand there was basically no response either way, which was good, but Ihave to wonder if there was an underlying disbelief in some of thethings I said as a result. He basically said that I was going to befine, I didn't need an Epi-pen, and he ordered some blood work. Hedissed my previous food allergy tests, saying they were worthless. When I asked more specifics about the scorpion venom and what it does,he said he's also been stung by a scorpion, so he knows the pain I wasin. He wasn't hospitalized, and was surprised at the double vision Ihad.He said that the venom, for some people, can affect the kidneys, andwhen I pointed out that I had several instances of pyelonephritis, headded some kidney function tests to the lab request. He' s going totest my immunoglobins also, test for tetanus, and basic blood work.There is one thing I can't stand about doctors, and that is when theylie. He told me to come back in 6 weeks, because that's how long ittakes the lab work to come back. I acted shocked and asked why so long.He said because they have to send the blood out to different places andit takes time. So, my follow up appointment ended up being in August.(That's a heck of alot more than 6 weeks, wouldn't you say?) Then, whenI had my blood drawn at the lab that afternoon, (I was fasting that dayanyway), I asked when I could pick up a copy of the lab results myself. They said Tuesday.... even when I asked twice to make sure. So much forthe 6 weeks baloney the doctor talked about. I am always so amazed thatthey think we are THAT DUMB.I'll let you guys know if there is any lab work out of whack when I getit.On another note, yesterday I broke my fast with some a raw milk proteinshake (I bought some of Dr. Mercola's whey protein and wanted to tryit.) I felt like crap the rest of the afternoon, and ended up going tobed about 4 PM and stayed there until this morning. I felt like mywhole body was vibrating, even in the middle of the night. I feel alittle better this morning, but I am unsettled about the response...andam wondering if it was anything to do with the casein in the milk. I amconcerned about developing more food allergies because of the hit to myimmune system with this scorpion venom.I may go see a neurologist....and there is actually one here in Vegasthat KNOWS about breast implant illness because his wife was sick fromthem. I have a reason to go now I guess, with the neurotoxic effects ofthe venom.Good to hear from you! I hope you have been doing well.Hugs,Patty> > >> > > Patty ~> > > You can mention it in reference to your> > > hashi's and let him make the connection> > > for you to implants if it ever comes up.......> > > That way you wont be immediately judged> > > and the doctor, stop listening to why you are there.> > > Dr Jerome Groupman wrote some booksm> > > " How doctors think " and> > > " The doctors in but is he listening ? "> > >> > > Groopman: The Doctor's In, But Is He Listening? : NPR> > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8946558> > > A little paragraph:> > > Jerome Groopman is a doctor who discovered that he needed adoctor. When> > > his hand was hurt, he went to six prominent surgeons and got fourdifferent> > > opinions about what was wrong. Groopman was advised to haveunnecessary> > > surgery and got a seemingly made-up diagnosis for a nonexistent> > > condition.Groopman, who holds a chair in medicine at HarvardMedical School, eventually found> > > a doctor who helped (Audio). But he didn't stop wondering aboutwhy those> > > other doctors made the wrong diagnoses. And he wrote about theirmistakes in a> > > new book called How Doctors Think (Excerpt).> > > "Usually doctors are right, but conservatively about 15 percent ofall> > > people are misdiagnosed. Some experts think it's as high as 20 to25 percent,"> > > Groopman tells Steve Inskeep. "And in half of those cases, thereis serious> > > injury or even death to the patient."Why do you think that doctorswould be> > > wrong that often?Well, you know, it's very hard to be a doctor.We're working> > > under tremendous time pressure, especially in the current medicalsystem.> > > But the reasons we are wrong are not related to technicalmistakes, like> > > someone putting the wrong name on an X-ray or mixing up a bloodspecimen in the> > > lab. Nor is it really ignorance about what the actual disease is.We make> > > misdiagnoses because we make errors in thinking.Errors inthinking...We use> > > shortcuts. Most doctors, within the first 18 seconds of seeing apatient, will> > > interrupt him telling his story and also generate an idea in hismind [of]> > > what's wrong. And too often, we make what's called an anchoringmistake â€" we> > > fix on that snap judgment.Which could be based on the first thingthe> > > patient says. It could be based on something on their chart or intheir file that> > > somebody else has concluded in the past. It could be anything.> > > It could be anything. There's very frequently a telephone callthat> > > precedes a visit where the first doctor says, 'Oh, you know thisis a very nervous> > > woman who's in menopause and the feelings she's having are relatedto change> > > of life.' And that causes what's called an attribution error or a> > > stereotype and I write about that in the book where a woman sawfive doctors. And she> > > said, 'You know what, I really feel these explosions in my body.'And> > > everyone thought she was crazy.And it turned out that she had atumor that was> > > producing adrenaline. So every once in a while, the tumor wouldrelease this> > > burst of adrenaline which made her jittery and sweaty and nervous.And she> > > was indeed a high-strung person. But she said finally to thedoctor who made> > > the right diagnosis, 'I know that I'm a tense individual, butsomething's> > > different. Something has changed.'What is some advice that youwould give to> > > avoid misdiagnosing in this kind of situation?Most importantly, Ithink, the> > > patient and the doctor can partner. These thinking errors are madein the> > > moment. They're made when the doctor is listening to the patientor examining> > > the patient â€" these snap judgments.Or not listening to thepatient...Or not> > > listening to the patient. And so a patient or a family member or afriend who> > > knows how doctors think well and how they don't think well canhelp get the> > > doctor back on track by asking some appropriate questions.Give mean> > > example of a diagnosis or a meeting that's starting to go wrongand how you can> > > get it back on track with the right questions.Well, it's verycommon, for> > > example, that people feel what's called indigestion, pressure orsometimes> > > burning or pain in the center of their chest. And usually it'sremedied with> > > antacids. But if that symptom persists, a patient or family membercan say to> > > the doctor, 'What else could it be?' That is a central question,so the doctor> > > doesn't anchor his thinking just on acid reflux. Another importantquestion> > > is: Could two things be going on? Could I actually have acidreflux but> > > something else? It could be angina, cardiac pain. To think thatthere's not> > > just one answer for a common symptom.Let me ask about some thingsthat make> > > this more difficult. The patient starts prodding the doctor tothink a little> > > bit more. The reality is the doctor has three of his or herminutes left with> > > this particular patient and that's all the time they've got. Well,I think> > > both doctors and patients need to basically resist together. It'snot easy,> > > but one thing can be done, which is to schedule a follow-upappointment. But> > > to cut off someone who's still suffering and doesn't have ananswer is not> > > the solution.What if you're sitting there with a doctor and youthink the> > > doctor doesn't like you?This is a setup for bad care. I actuallywrite about> > > one woman who irritated me and I shut my mind off to her. Hervoice sounded> > > to me like nails scratching on a blackboard. It was when I was aresident.> > > She kept complaining and I just became deaf. And it turned out shehad a tear> > > in her aorta. And it was fatal. She may have died anyway, but it'sa> > > terrible thing.> > > I think if you feel that a doctor doesn't like you, then you canfirst say> > > with all candor, 'I feel like we're not connecting well.' But it's> > > interesting, when I asked physicians if they were a patient, andthey felt that their> > > doctor didn't like them, what would they do? Each doctor said tome, 'I'd> > > find another doctor.'> > > Brutal bottom-line question: If everybody followed your advice,listened> > > more carefully, spent a little more time with patients, thought alittle bit> > > more, would our health care cost more? I think it would cost lessbecause> > > when you make a misdiagnosis that means that the patient getssicker and> > > sometimes dies. So that the intensity of treatment that's requiredby not> > > detecting something early is much more costly than coming to theright diagnosis.> > >> > > OK, I got off subject, but I love that man and how he thinks ! Just be> > > careful what you tell him, and how you tell him things....> > > I hope it goes well ! !> > > Info on the complement test below....> > > Complement component 3 (C3)> > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003539.htm> > > Understanding the Immune System> > > Adapted by Thyroid Guide, J. Shomon> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > **************> > > Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now.> > >(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist & amp;ncid=emlcntusyelp00\000006)> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Hi G, I will let you know...I'm still thinking about it, depending on how I feel and how my test results come back. I'll know Tuesday. If I do see a neurologist, it will be Dr. Morton Hyson here in Las Vegas. When our local NBC affiliate did a story on breast implants a number of years ago, they featured my story and Dr. Hyson. He knows implants are bad! Patty You wrote: hi patty; if you go to a neurologist who knows about silicone, please let me know (or the group) what he says, as i am very inerested in finding someone like that who knows more about neurotoxins. hope youre feeling better. thanks. gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dede, These are all good questions...I don't know the answer to any of them, but I am curious about " cell memory " and this possible anti-body freak out. I did get copies of my hospital records, with labs, and I think I have all the listings of medicines they gave me. I was quite suprised what they gave me....ativan, twice within hours of each other, once by mouth, the other by IV (no wonder I can't remember half the stuff that went on that night, it is an amnesiac!) Thanks for all that great info...you are so good at research! I appreciate you! Happy Mother's Day to you~ Patty > > Patty ~ > With your history, could you be having cell memory ? > or even antibody freak-out due to your experience > with the venom, and hospital stay with what all they > gave you ? ? > You also had a new exposure to silicone and mercury > while in the hospital.....even alittle may have freaked > out your system.....Because silicone, and no telling what > else, causes protein excesses, and stimulation of dis-ease > has much to do with protein excesses, then perhaps that is > one reason the whey protein didnt work for you, as well > as your body reacting so funky....... > Kefir makes its own whey protein, I bet you will > be fine with that........ > I would get copies of your hospital records to include > everything even nurse notes, and every single med or > IV you had. You have to be specific. Even ask for Labs. > That way you can compare what they were on a scorpion bite > then how they were after it and on steroids....... > and the IV's....then you can compare them to the current > labs you will be getting...... > > Happy Mothers Day ~ Dede > Here is some info you need to perhaps print out and refer to: > Medrol Dosepak Side Effects | Drugs.com > http://www.drugs.com/sfx/medrol-dosepak-side-effects.html#system_12873 > > General side effects > > Adverse effects have occurred less frequently when minimum dosages have > been administered. > > Adverse effects of corticosteroid therapy may be subdivided into those > associated with short-term therapy (to three weeks) and those of long-term > therapy (> three weeks). > > Short-term effects have included sodium retention-related weight gain and > fluid accumulation, hyperglycemia and glucose intolerance, hypokalemia, > gastrointestinal upset and ulceration, reversible depression of the > hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, and mood changes ranging from mild euphoria > and insomnia to nervousness, restlessness, mania, catatonia, depression, > delusions, hallucinations, and violent behavior. > > Long-term effects have included HPA suppression, Cushingoid appearance, > hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities, peptic ulcer > disease, cataracts and increased intraocular pressure/glaucoma, myopathy, > osteoporosis, and vertebral compression fractures. > > Cardiovascular side effects > > Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension and congestive heart > failure due to long-term fluid retention as well as direct vascular > effects.Hypertension has been associated with long-term therapy with > corticosteroids and is thought to be due to fluid retention. > > Endocrine side effects > > Endocrine side effects have included decreased glucose tolerance and > hyperglycemia resulting in diabetes-like symptoms. Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal > activity has been suppressed 12 months or more following long-term > corticosteroid administration. Cushingoid appearance commonly has occurred with > chronic therapy. Hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities > may occur.Corticosteroid therapy may induce glucose intolerance by reducing > the utilization of glucose in tissues and increasing hepatic glucose output. > Patients on alternate day therapy may exhibit significantly higher serum > glucose on the day methylprednisolone is taken. Diabetes mellitus requiring > diet modifications and hypoglycemic agents has developed in some patients. > > Adrenal suppression can persist for up to twelve months after long-term > corticosteroid therapy. Adrenal suppression may be reduced by giving > corticosteroids once a day or once every other day. After corticosteroid therapy has > been tapered, supplemental corticosteroid therapy during times of physical > stress may be required. > > Gastrointestinal side effects > > Gastrointestinal side effects have included gastrointestinal upset, nausea, > vomiting, and peptic ulcer disease. Pancreatitis, ulcerative esophagitis, > gastrointestinal perforation and hemorrhage have also been > reported.Gastrointestinal effects most commonly occurring during corticosteroid therapy have > included nausea, vomiting, dyspepsia, and anorexia. Peptic ulcer disease has > been associated with long-term corticosteroid therapy, but is relatively > uncommon. Routine prophylactic therapy is not warranted in all individuals. > Aluminum/magnesium containing antacids generally have been used to manage GI > complaints without significant drug interactions. > Metabolic side effects > > Metabolic side effects have included hypernatremia (rare), hypokalemia, > fluid retention, negative nitrogen balance and increase in blood urea nitrogen > concentration. > > Musculoskeletal side effects > > Corticosteroid myopathy presenting as weakness and wasting of the proximal > limb and girdle muscles has occurred, but has generally resolved following > cessation of therapy. > > Corticosteroids inhibit intestinal absorption and increase urinary > excretion of calcium leading to bone resorption and bone loss. Bone loss of 3% over > one year has been demonstrated with prednisolone 10 mg per day. > Postmenopausal females are at risk of loss of bone density. Up to 16% of elderly > patients treated with corticosteroids for 5 years may experience vertebral > compression fractures. One author reported measurable bone loss over two years in > women on concomitant therapy with prednisone 7.5 mg per day and tamoxifen. > > Musculoskeletal side effects have included myopathy, osteoporosis, > vertebral compression fractures, tendon rupture (particularly the Achilles tendon), > and aseptic necrosis of bone have occurred during corticosteroid therapy. > Aseptic necrosis most often has affected the femoral head. > > Hematologic side effects > > Hematologic side effects have included thrombocytopenia, lymphopenia, and > platelet alterations resulting in thrombolic events. > > Immunologic side effects > > Immunologic side effects have included impairment in cell-mediated immunity > and increased susceptibility to bacterial, viral, fungal and parasitic > infections. Immune response to skin tests may be suppressed. > Hepatic side effects > > Hepatic side effects have included reversible increases in serum > transaminase and alkaline phosphatase concentrations. > Ocular side effects > > In renal transplant patients maintained on prednisone 10 mg per day, 33% > developed posterior subcapsular cataracts. Mean time to cataract development > was 26 months. Increased intraocular pressure has occurred in 5% of > patients.Ocular side effects have included increased intraocular pressure, glaucoma, > and posterior subcapsular cataracts > . > Psychiatric side effects > > Psychiatric side effects have included psychoses, personality or behavioral > changes, and pseudotumor cerebri. > > Dermatologic side effects > > Dermatologic side effects have included bruising, ecchymosis, petechiae > striae, delayed wound healing, and acne > . > Other side effects > > Other side effects have included a glucocorticoid withdrawal syndrome seen > upon abrupt discontinuation of corticosteroid therapy that was not > associated with adrenal suppression.Pseudorheumatism, or glucocorticoid-withdrawal > syndrome not related to adrenal insufficiency has occurred on withdrawal of > corticosteroids. Patients experienced anorexia, nausea, vomiting, lethargy, > headache, fever, arthralgias, myalgias and postural hypotension. Symptoms > resolved when corticosteroid therapy was reinstated. > > Oncologic side effects > > Oncologic side effects have included Kaposi's sarcoma. Clinical remission > may occur with discontinuation of therapy. > > Hypersensitivity side effects > > Hypersensitivity side effects have included anaphylaxis with or without > circulatory collapse, cardiac arrest, or bronchospasm with parenteral > administration of methylprednisolone. > > Local side effects > > Local side effects have included hyperpigmentation, hypopigmentation, > subcutaneous and cutaneous atrophy, and sterile abscess at injection sites > following parenteral administration. > > Here is some interesting info on it : ( a study on rats, but I believe > that the info I highlighted is interesting.) > > ABSTRACT: > Scorpion venom neurotoxins are responsible for toxicity and pharmacological > effects. They are active in sodium and potassium channels leading to an > increase in the release of neurotransmitters, such as glutamate. Glutamate is > found in large quantities in the hippocampus (HPC) and is involved in the > long-term potentiation (LTP) induction. The HPC is known to be related to > certain kinds of memory. The aim of this study is to evaluate the effects of > Tityus serrulatus TS-8F toxin on rat behavior with emphasis on learning and > memory. We analyzed the effects of different doses of TS-8F on rat behavior in > home cages, open-field (habituation), inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and > hippocampus morphology. In the first two experiments, 0.05µg/animal dose of TS-8F > did not cause convulsion but led to a decrease in locomotion (LO) frequency > in the open-field first session. During the second session, rats receiving > 0.03µg/animal TS-8F showed a decrease in LO and rearing frequency (RE); > controls only showed decreased LO; and those receiving 0.05µg/animal showed no > significant changes. In inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and HPC morphology > experiments no significant differences were observed. It is concluded that TS-8F > may exert some influence in rat learning and memory and seems to be useful > as a pharmacological tool. Further research is required to elucidate all > possible uses of this toxin. > KEY WORDS: learning and memory, scorpion neurotoxin, Tityus serrulatus, > T-maze, open-field, passive avoidance, TS-8F toxin. > > http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php? > Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins - EFFECTS OF SCORPION Tityus > serrulatus VENOM TOXIN TS-8F ON RAT LEARNING AND MEMORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist & amp;ncid=emlcntusyelp00\ 000006) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Dede, Those are some nasty side effects from steroid use! NASTY! I am so glad I am not using them anymore. I'm wondering if what I'm experiencing now is partly related to the use of those steroids? Probably not, since it was such a short time, but I can't believe this lack of energy. It's like back in the beginning. Patty > > Patty ~ > With your history, could you be having cell memory ? > or even antibody freak-out due to your experience > with the venom, and hospital stay with what all they > gave you ? ? > You also had a new exposure to silicone and mercury > while in the hospital.....even alittle may have freaked > out your system.....Because silicone, and no telling what > else, causes protein excesses, and stimulation of dis-ease > has much to do with protein excesses, then perhaps that is > one reason the whey protein didnt work for you, as well > as your body reacting so funky....... > Kefir makes its own whey protein, I bet you will > be fine with that........ > I would get copies of your hospital records to include > everything even nurse notes, and every single med or > IV you had. You have to be specific. Even ask for Labs. > That way you can compare what they were on a scorpion bite > then how they were after it and on steroids....... > and the IV's....then you can compare them to the current > labs you will be getting...... > > Happy Mothers Day ~ Dede > Here is some info you need to perhaps print out and refer to: > Medrol Dosepak Side Effects | Drugs.com > http://www.drugs.com/sfx/medrol-dosepak-side-effects.html#system_12873 > > General side effects > > Adverse effects have occurred less frequently when minimum dosages have > been administered. > > Adverse effects of corticosteroid therapy may be subdivided into those > associated with short-term therapy (to three weeks) and those of long-term > therapy (> three weeks). > > Short-term effects have included sodium retention-related weight gain and > fluid accumulation, hyperglycemia and glucose intolerance, hypokalemia, > gastrointestinal upset and ulceration, reversible depression of the > hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, and mood changes ranging from mild euphoria > and insomnia to nervousness, restlessness, mania, catatonia, depression, > delusions, hallucinations, and violent behavior. > > Long-term effects have included HPA suppression, Cushingoid appearance, > hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities, peptic ulcer > disease, cataracts and increased intraocular pressure/glaucoma, myopathy, > osteoporosis, and vertebral compression fractures. > > Cardiovascular side effects > > Cardiovascular side effects have included hypertension and congestive heart > failure due to long-term fluid retention as well as direct vascular > effects.Hypertension has been associated with long-term therapy with > corticosteroids and is thought to be due to fluid retention. > > Endocrine side effects > > Endocrine side effects have included decreased glucose tolerance and > hyperglycemia resulting in diabetes-like symptoms. Hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal > activity has been suppressed 12 months or more following long-term > corticosteroid administration. Cushingoid appearance commonly has occurred with > chronic therapy. Hirsutism or virilism, impotence, and menstrual irregularities > may occur.Corticosteroid therapy may induce glucose intolerance by reducing > the utilization of glucose in tissues and increasing hepatic glucose output. > Patients on alternate day therapy may exhibit significantly higher serum > glucose on the day methylprednisolone is taken. Diabetes mellitus requiring > diet modifications and hypoglycemic agents has developed in some patients. > > Adrenal suppression can persist for up to twelve months after long-term > corticosteroid therapy. Adrenal suppression may be reduced by giving > corticosteroids once a day or once every other day. After corticosteroid therapy has > been tapered, supplemental corticosteroid therapy during times of physical > stress may be required. > > Gastrointestinal side effects > > Gastrointestinal side effects have included gastrointestinal upset, nausea, > vomiting, and peptic ulcer disease. Pancreatitis, ulcerative esophagitis, > gastrointestinal perforation and hemorrhage have also been > reported.Gastrointestinal effects most commonly occurring during corticosteroid therapy have > included nausea, vomiting, dyspepsia, and anorexia. Peptic ulcer disease has > been associated with long-term corticosteroid therapy, but is relatively > uncommon. Routine prophylactic therapy is not warranted in all individuals. > Aluminum/magnesium containing antacids generally have been used to manage GI > complaints without significant drug interactions. > Metabolic side effects > > Metabolic side effects have included hypernatremia (rare), hypokalemia, > fluid retention, negative nitrogen balance and increase in blood urea nitrogen > concentration. > > Musculoskeletal side effects > > Corticosteroid myopathy presenting as weakness and wasting of the proximal > limb and girdle muscles has occurred, but has generally resolved following > cessation of therapy. > > Corticosteroids inhibit intestinal absorption and increase urinary > excretion of calcium leading to bone resorption and bone loss. Bone loss of 3% over > one year has been demonstrated with prednisolone 10 mg per day. > Postmenopausal females are at risk of loss of bone density. Up to 16% of elderly > patients treated with corticosteroids for 5 years may experience vertebral > compression fractures. One author reported measurable bone loss over two years in > women on concomitant therapy with prednisone 7.5 mg per day and tamoxifen. > > Musculoskeletal side effects have included myopathy, osteoporosis, > vertebral compression fractures, tendon rupture (particularly the Achilles tendon), > and aseptic necrosis of bone have occurred during corticosteroid therapy. > Aseptic necrosis most often has affected the femoral head. > > Hematologic side effects > > Hematologic side effects have included thrombocytopenia, lymphopenia, and > platelet alterations resulting in thrombolic events. > > Immunologic side effects > > Immunologic side effects have included impairment in cell-mediated immunity > and increased susceptibility to bacterial, viral, fungal and parasitic > infections. Immune response to skin tests may be suppressed. > Hepatic side effects > > Hepatic side effects have included reversible increases in serum > transaminase and alkaline phosphatase concentrations. > Ocular side effects > > In renal transplant patients maintained on prednisone 10 mg per day, 33% > developed posterior subcapsular cataracts. Mean time to cataract development > was 26 months. Increased intraocular pressure has occurred in 5% of > patients.Ocular side effects have included increased intraocular pressure, glaucoma, > and posterior subcapsular cataracts > . > Psychiatric side effects > > Psychiatric side effects have included psychoses, personality or behavioral > changes, and pseudotumor cerebri. > > Dermatologic side effects > > Dermatologic side effects have included bruising, ecchymosis, petechiae > striae, delayed wound healing, and acne > . > Other side effects > > Other side effects have included a glucocorticoid withdrawal syndrome seen > upon abrupt discontinuation of corticosteroid therapy that was not > associated with adrenal suppression.Pseudorheumatism, or glucocorticoid-withdrawal > syndrome not related to adrenal insufficiency has occurred on withdrawal of > corticosteroids. Patients experienced anorexia, nausea, vomiting, lethargy, > headache, fever, arthralgias, myalgias and postural hypotension. Symptoms > resolved when corticosteroid therapy was reinstated. > > Oncologic side effects > > Oncologic side effects have included Kaposi's sarcoma. Clinical remission > may occur with discontinuation of therapy. > > Hypersensitivity side effects > > Hypersensitivity side effects have included anaphylaxis with or without > circulatory collapse, cardiac arrest, or bronchospasm with parenteral > administration of methylprednisolone. > > Local side effects > > Local side effects have included hyperpigmentation, hypopigmentation, > subcutaneous and cutaneous atrophy, and sterile abscess at injection sites > following parenteral administration. > > Here is some interesting info on it : ( a study on rats, but I believe > that the info I highlighted is interesting.) > > ABSTRACT: > Scorpion venom neurotoxins are responsible for toxicity and pharmacological > effects. They are active in sodium and potassium channels leading to an > increase in the release of neurotransmitters, such as glutamate. Glutamate is > found in large quantities in the hippocampus (HPC) and is involved in the > long-term potentiation (LTP) induction. The HPC is known to be related to > certain kinds of memory. The aim of this study is to evaluate the effects of > Tityus serrulatus TS-8F toxin on rat behavior with emphasis on learning and > memory. We analyzed the effects of different doses of TS-8F on rat behavior in > home cages, open-field (habituation), inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and > hippocampus morphology. In the first two experiments, 0.05µg/animal dose of TS-8F > did not cause convulsion but led to a decrease in locomotion (LO) frequency > in the open-field first session. During the second session, rats receiving > 0.03µg/animal TS-8F showed a decrease in LO and rearing frequency (RE); > controls only showed decreased LO; and those receiving 0.05µg/animal showed no > significant changes. In inhibitory avoidance, T-maze, and HPC morphology > experiments no significant differences were observed. It is concluded that TS-8F > may exert some influence in rat learning and memory and seems to be useful > as a pharmacological tool. Further research is required to elucidate all > possible uses of this toxin. > KEY WORDS: learning and memory, scorpion neurotoxin, Tityus serrulatus, > T-maze, open-field, passive avoidance, TS-8F toxin. > > http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php? > Journal of Venomous Animals and Toxins - EFFECTS OF SCORPION Tityus > serrulatus VENOM TOXIN TS-8F ON RAT LEARNING AND MEMORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist & amp;ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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