Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Wellll - it's pretty complicated - and as far as I can see - the story changes about every other week.... But as I understand it, Calcium Citrate, when taken in combination with Magnesium and Vitamin D - is much easier for your body to absorb. Supposedly, Calicium carbonate sort of washes right out of your body..... The stuff I buy at Walmart has both magnesium and Vitamin D right in it - so I don't have to try to figure the dosage.... But I still take it and just hope for the best.... you have to rely on blood tests. Connie in Salem,OR > > What's the difference between Calcium CITRATE (good) & Calcium carbonate > (bad)?????????? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Wellll - it's pretty complicated - and as far as I can see - the story changes about every other week.... But as I understand it, Calcium Citrate, when taken in combination with Magnesium and Vitamin D - is much easier for your body to absorb. Supposedly, Calicium carbonate sort of washes right out of your body..... The stuff I buy at Walmart has both magnesium and Vitamin D right in it - so I don't have to try to figure the dosage.... But I still take it and just hope for the best.... you have to rely on blood tests. Connie in Salem,OR > > What's the difference between Calcium CITRATE (good) & Calcium carbonate > (bad)?????????? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 > > What's the difference between Calcium CITRATE (good) & Calcium carbonate > (bad)?????????? Calcium carbonate is NOT bad!!! Citrate is moderately more absorbable than carbonate. The studies done indicate that citrate is absorbed better by about 20%. There are several comments in the studies that reference carbonate taking longer to be absorbed; the shorter time in the modified intestinal tract results in less absorbtion. Although I have not gotten a qualified opinion, it would seem to me that taking a higher dosage of carbonate would balance out the problem (particularly for folks who can't stand the citrate horse pills!!). The challenge would be finding the balance. My surgeon used to recommend 1800 mg of carbonate; now he recomments 1800 mg of citrate. If I took 20% of the carbonate, would it balance out??? No studies on that one yet. If you are interested, do a web search for " calcium citrate " and read the studies. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 > > What's the difference between Calcium CITRATE (good) & Calcium carbonate > (bad)?????????? Calcium carbonate is NOT bad!!! Citrate is moderately more absorbable than carbonate. The studies done indicate that citrate is absorbed better by about 20%. There are several comments in the studies that reference carbonate taking longer to be absorbed; the shorter time in the modified intestinal tract results in less absorbtion. Although I have not gotten a qualified opinion, it would seem to me that taking a higher dosage of carbonate would balance out the problem (particularly for folks who can't stand the citrate horse pills!!). The challenge would be finding the balance. My surgeon used to recommend 1800 mg of carbonate; now he recomments 1800 mg of citrate. If I took 20% of the carbonate, would it balance out??? No studies on that one yet. If you are interested, do a web search for " calcium citrate " and read the studies. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 > > What's the difference between Calcium CITRATE (good) & Calcium carbonate > (bad)?????????? Calcium carbonate is NOT bad!!! Citrate is moderately more absorbable than carbonate. The studies done indicate that citrate is absorbed better by about 20%. There are several comments in the studies that reference carbonate taking longer to be absorbed; the shorter time in the modified intestinal tract results in less absorbtion. Although I have not gotten a qualified opinion, it would seem to me that taking a higher dosage of carbonate would balance out the problem (particularly for folks who can't stand the citrate horse pills!!). The challenge would be finding the balance. My surgeon used to recommend 1800 mg of carbonate; now he recomments 1800 mg of citrate. If I took 20% of the carbonate, would it balance out??? No studies on that one yet. If you are interested, do a web search for " calcium citrate " and read the studies. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 You are suppose to get at least 1500 mg of elemental calcium, over 2500 mg can be toxic. If you are in doubt about the product, call the manufacturer. They are all good about giving a speedy response, just contact customer service. Twin Labs and Citracal are elemental so their labels are exactly as stated. Calcium citrate reduces risk of kidney stones over carbonate which is just another bonus. Sally Myers, RD, CPT :-) BTW, there is one absorption study on the BPD that states patients are only absorbing 25% of their calcium. Go read it on the duodenalswitch site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 You are suppose to get at least 1500 mg of elemental calcium, over 2500 mg can be toxic. If you are in doubt about the product, call the manufacturer. They are all good about giving a speedy response, just contact customer service. Twin Labs and Citracal are elemental so their labels are exactly as stated. Calcium citrate reduces risk of kidney stones over carbonate which is just another bonus. Sally Myers, RD, CPT :-) BTW, there is one absorption study on the BPD that states patients are only absorbing 25% of their calcium. Go read it on the duodenalswitch site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 What about Viactiv, the chewable calcium? I already have these. Are they ok? Charlotte Pre-op (tomistic) Re: Chewable Vitamins Hi Lori Check out www.bariatricadvantage.com for a GREAT calcium citrate chewable. They come in both mint and chocolate, and I just love sucking on the chocolate ones They also make a GREAT tasting sublingual B-12 as well as a great chewable multivitamin. Their iron, while not chewable (yet), is really easy to get down because it is very small in size. Hope this helps Caroline Lap RNY 5/2/03 367/288/150 My WLS Progress: www.tinyurl.com/bkld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 What about Viactiv, the chewable calcium? I already have these. Are they ok? Charlotte Pre-op (tomistic) Re: Chewable Vitamins Hi Lori Check out www.bariatricadvantage.com for a GREAT calcium citrate chewable. They come in both mint and chocolate, and I just love sucking on the chocolate ones They also make a GREAT tasting sublingual B-12 as well as a great chewable multivitamin. Their iron, while not chewable (yet), is really easy to get down because it is very small in size. Hope this helps Caroline Lap RNY 5/2/03 367/288/150 My WLS Progress: www.tinyurl.com/bkld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Viactiv is the calcium that my dietician and surgeon told me to use. The only thing is that they should be sucked on until they dissolve. because they are so chewy, they could get stuck in the new opening to the intestine. Debbie Re: Chewable Vitamins Hi Lori Check out www.bariatricadvantage.com for a GREAT calcium citrate chewable. They come in both mint and chocolate, and I just love sucking on the chocolate ones They also make a GREAT tasting sublingual B-12 as well as a great chewable multivitamin. Their iron, while not chewable (yet), is really easy to get down because it is very small in size. Hope this helps Caroline Lap RNY 5/2/03 367/288/150 My WLS Progress: www.tinyurl.com/bkld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Kristi Mullins wrote: Does anyone take Caltrate 600? I sed to take any kind of calcium (later discovered to be carbonate). I took regular prenatals w/ Citracal. My post WLS pregnancy took all the calcium from my teeth and bones and I have since learned I haven't been taking the proper calcium supplement (my surgeon didn't specify a difference nearly 4 years ago). I just had a rrot canal and one tooth pulled. I am in need of another root canal or just having it pulled and I also am saving up for 17 anterior and posterior resin fillings to cover up the severe decalcification of my teeth. now, on to bones.... imagine an icepick stabbing you in your long bones (arms and legs). The ice pick twists and turns and just embeds deeper. You think you have some sort of bone cancer (my thought to my family practioner). it all boiled down to taking calcium carbonate INSTEAD of calcium citrate (Citracal). I'm not vain by any means and making certain my baby boy's health didn't suffer from my ignorance, but I was the one with the perfect smile. Perfect strangers would compliment me on my smile and my straight, white teeth..... now I cover my mouth when I smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Just wondering, where does the Viactive (sp?)chews stand on all this? I hate taking the chewable pills and I'm hoping that Viactives are ok. Axelrod Re: calcium Kristi Mullins wrote: Does anyone take Caltrate 600? I sed to take any kind of calcium (later discovered to be carbonate). I took regular prenatals w/ Citracal. My post WLS pregnancy took all the calcium from my teeth and bones and I have since learned I haven't been taking the proper calcium supplement (my surgeon didn't specify a difference nearly 4 years ago). I just had a rrot canal and one tooth pulled. I am in need of another root canal or just having it pulled and I also am saving up for 17 anterior and posterior resin fillings to cover up the severe decalcification of my teeth. now, on to bones.... imagine an icepick stabbing you in your long bones (arms and legs). The ice pick twists and turns and just embeds deeper. You think you have some sort of bone cancer (my thought to my family practioner). it all boiled down to taking calcium carbonate INSTEAD of calcium citrate (Citracal). I'm not vain by any means and making certain my baby boy's health didn't suffer from my ignorance, but I was the one with the perfect smile. Perfect strangers would compliment me on my smile and my straight, white teeth..... now I cover my mouth when I smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Viactive are Calcium Carbonate. Re: calcium Kristi Mullins wrote: Does anyone take Caltrate 600? I sed to take any kind of calcium (later discovered to be carbonate). I took regular prenatals w/ Citracal. My post WLS pregnancy took all the calcium from my teeth and bones and I have since learned I haven't been taking the proper calcium supplement (my surgeon didn't specify a difference nearly 4 years ago). I just had a rrot canal and one tooth pulled. I am in need of another root canal or just having it pulled and I also am saving up for 17 anterior and posterior resin fillings to cover up the severe decalcification of my teeth. now, on to bones.... imagine an icepick stabbing you in your long bones (arms and legs). The ice pick twists and turns and just embeds deeper. You think you have some sort of bone cancer (my thought to my family practioner). it all boiled down to taking calcium carbonate INSTEAD of calcium citrate (Citracal). I'm not vain by any means and making certain my baby boy's health didn't suffer from my ignorance, but I was the one with the perfect smile. Perfect strangers would compliment me on my smile and my straight, white teeth..... now I cover my mouth when I smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Also, the Viactive have sugar in them! I use dry calcium citrate that comes in capsules that I get from Vitalady. I mix them in my protien shakes so I don't have to swallow them since they are big horse pills. Sue LapRNY 6/5/02 EDD6/11/04 Does anyone take Caltrate > 600? > > I sed to take any kind of calcium (later discovered to be carbonate). > I took regular prenatals w/ Citracal. My post WLS pregnancy took all > the calcium from my teeth and bones and I have since learned I > haven't been taking the proper calcium supplement (my surgeon didn't > specify a difference nearly 4 years ago). > I just had a rrot canal and one tooth pulled. I am in need of another > root canal or just having it pulled and I also am saving up for 17 > anterior and posterior resin fillings to cover up the severe > decalcification of my teeth. > > now, on to bones.... imagine an icepick stabbing you in your long > bones (arms and legs). The ice pick twists and turns and just embeds > deeper. You think you have some sort of bone cancer (my thought to my > family practioner). > > it all boiled down to taking calcium carbonate INSTEAD of calcium > citrate (Citracal). > > I'm not vain by any means and making certain my baby boy's health > didn't suffer from my ignorance, but I was the one with the perfect > smile. Perfect strangers would compliment me on my smile and my > straight, white teeth..... now I cover my mouth when I smile. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 some research also says that calcium citrate causes less gas....I don't know if that means calcium carbonate causes more gas or what makes sense to me.... carbonate.... carbonation? fizzy....bubbles...**burp*** lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 > Just wondering, where does the Viactive (sp?)chews stand on all this? I hate taking the chewable pills and I'm hoping that Viactives are ok. nope, the calcium in Viactiv's is not citrate. I had to give all of my supply to my mom. I can't recall exactly what is on the label, but it wasn't citrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 I was told that Calcium Citrate is absobed much better than Calcium Carbonate. Especially with Gastric bypass patients. Hope this helps. Sharyn EDD 10/10/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 I'm not positive but if you had VBG then you shouldn't have a problem with malabsorbtion. From what I understand the larger stomach still digest the food. I've never had dumping because of that fact. So then the tums would work for VBG patients? What about Viactive? I use those would that be the same problem for people with malabsorbtion? I could be all wrong... So let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Vickie, From what I have learned all humans have difficulty absorbing calcium carbonate, only really absorbing a fraction of what is ingested, calcium citrate is the only calcium which is completely bioavailable to everyone. Viactive has the same calcium as TUMS, calcium carbonate. I have learned that most of the calcium supplements out there are made with calcium carbonate because its much cheaper than calcium citrate. When I was at Sam's Club and looking at all the calcium supplements they had available, out of the many (maybe 10?) they had, ONLY ONE was made with calcium cirate! I was disappointed, especially since it was a huge horse pill and I figured it wouldn't work for me since I would never be able to break down the whole pill. Axelrod Re: calcium I'm not positive but if you had VBG then you shouldn't have a problem with malabsorbtion. From what I understand the larger stomach still digest the food. I've never had dumping because of that fact. So then the tums would work for VBG patients? What about Viactive? I use those would that be the same problem for people with malabsorbtion? I could be all wrong... So let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 I am no way affiliated with her, but vitalady does sell calcium citrate pills that are low cost. I have found the same product at a local health food store for a little cheaper. Here is a link to her calcium products. http://www.vitalady.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&keywords=calcium I use a lot of her products; she is a wls patient herself. The are capsules that can be opened and dumped into something or swallowed whole. They are very easy to swallow and dissolve quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 I just went to the vita lady website and I need to just say this and I am sure some people will be infuriated.... THIS LADY IS RIPPING YOU OFF!!!! She sells products that are sold in Costco and Duane Reade for less money and you don't pay shipping. Also Just a point...I buy lots of stuff at the vitamin shoppe and they often have coupons and great prices. Just my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Vitalady provides a service that many people are willing to pay for so in my opinion they are not getting " ripped off " . Back in 2002 my support group in Houston flew her in as a guest speaker for an Patient's WLS convention. She never tried to sell anything and only spoke to us as a patient with years of experience and research. She was very upfront and told us that some of her products could be purchased from Costco cheaper. I personally do not want a Costco membership just to buy a couple bottles of vitamins a year. I ordered other things like DaVinci syrup from her that I cannot find anywhere else except DaVinci and they charge more. The other point I'd like to make is that she does not sell anything she has not tested out first either with her staff, support group or volunteers. So I feel that when I buy something from her I know it is going to breakdown and absorb or is suitable for WLS patients. There are some product that I do get locally but others that I have not found an equal equivalent and I'm not wiling to play roulette with my health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents. Sue EDD 6-11-04 > I just went to the vita lady website and I need to just say this and I am sure some people will be infuriated.... THIS LADY IS RIPPING YOU OFF!!!! She sells products that are sold in Costco and Duane Reade for less money and you don't pay shipping. Also Just a point...I buy lots of stuff at the vitamin shoppe and they often have coupons and great prices. Just my opinion.... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 _The Legal / Illegal list a-c SCD_ (http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/legal/legal_illegal_a-c.htm) There are several SCD websites as well. Google it and you will find lots of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 does anyone know where I can get some calcium citrate that is SCD legal? Where do I find a list of legal/illegal additives? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 > > does anyone know where I can get some calcium citrate that is SCD > legal? Where do I find a list of legal/illegal additives? > Thanks, > > Kirkman's Hypoallergenic Calcium Powder http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/minerals/calcium/H_Calcium_P_8_Spec036.html Carol F. SCD 5 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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