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Hi Beth,

What reaction is he having to the nut yogurt and almond flour baked

goods?

Sheila, SCD 57 mos, 21 yrs UC

mom of , SCD 42 mos

> Sounds like feeding my ASD son almond nut yogurt and baked goodies

made with almond flour is not necessarily the best way to go after

all.

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Hi Robbie,

I'm glad to hear that is doing so well - it is absolutely

fantastic!! :)

For : have you considered going back to the intro for a day

or two and then gradually readding foods. Have you considered

enzymes? Have you tried any other nuts like pecans?

Sheila

>

> I have to say, from personal experience, that my youngest son does

not

> tolerate anything SCD legal that is in the High oxylate column,

after

> looking at that list for the first time just now. I am so tired

of trying

> to figure out what he can and can't eat, along with what he WILL

eat that I

> just feed him anything SCD legal as long as it's cooked well and

peeled. I

> avoid fruits I know he doesn't tolerate but his veggie intake is

so limited

> that I give him broccoli, green beans and squash even though I

know he does

> not tolerate them, but he loves them. He gets green D when he

eats them

> but what else do I do?

>

> He is not improving at all and hasn't for a long time but I can't

see

> putting him back on a starch diet. I am at my wits end, really,

but what

> else is there for him? If I eliminate those foods he'll be

eating ripe

> banana (which I suspect isn't tolerated all that well either),

applesauce

> (from golden delicious apples only), cauliflower, carrots, meat

and cheese.

> That would be it. He doesn't tolerate eggs, berries, citrus,

honey, purple

> grapes or large amounts of almond flour or pretty much anything

that has a

> vibrant color - maybe oxylates and salicylates? Oh and maybe

sulpher foods

> either - eggs definitely a no no. I really don't know for sure.

The good

> news is he's growing remarkably well (very tall for age), is at a

great

> weight (solid as a rock yet slender and no bloated belly), is

happy,

> developing normally, skin and coloring looks great... but his

stools are

> far from normal and don't seem to be improving.

>

> Robbie

> age 5 UC scd since 6/04 doing fantastic!!

> age 2 celiac? from immunization damage scd since 6/04

lots of food

> sensitivities

>

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Hi Robbie,

I'm glad to hear that is doing so well - it is absolutely

fantastic!! :)

For : have you considered going back to the intro for a day

or two and then gradually readding foods. Have you considered

enzymes? Have you tried any other nuts like pecans?

Sheila

>

> I have to say, from personal experience, that my youngest son does

not

> tolerate anything SCD legal that is in the High oxylate column,

after

> looking at that list for the first time just now. I am so tired

of trying

> to figure out what he can and can't eat, along with what he WILL

eat that I

> just feed him anything SCD legal as long as it's cooked well and

peeled. I

> avoid fruits I know he doesn't tolerate but his veggie intake is

so limited

> that I give him broccoli, green beans and squash even though I

know he does

> not tolerate them, but he loves them. He gets green D when he

eats them

> but what else do I do?

>

> He is not improving at all and hasn't for a long time but I can't

see

> putting him back on a starch diet. I am at my wits end, really,

but what

> else is there for him? If I eliminate those foods he'll be

eating ripe

> banana (which I suspect isn't tolerated all that well either),

applesauce

> (from golden delicious apples only), cauliflower, carrots, meat

and cheese.

> That would be it. He doesn't tolerate eggs, berries, citrus,

honey, purple

> grapes or large amounts of almond flour or pretty much anything

that has a

> vibrant color - maybe oxylates and salicylates? Oh and maybe

sulpher foods

> either - eggs definitely a no no. I really don't know for sure.

The good

> news is he's growing remarkably well (very tall for age), is at a

great

> weight (solid as a rock yet slender and no bloated belly), is

happy,

> developing normally, skin and coloring looks great... but his

stools are

> far from normal and don't seem to be improving.

>

> Robbie

> age 5 UC scd since 6/04 doing fantastic!!

> age 2 celiac? from immunization damage scd since 6/04

lots of food

> sensitivities

>

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Mimi, could you please send me the link. Thanks

DelToro kj211@...> wrote: Mimi,

I am interested in the link.

Thanks, ( 4 yrs old, ASD, SCD 2 months)

Re: oxalates

Hi Marilyn and Beth,

Medical research shows that excess oxalates are produced by a fungi

in the colon. That fungi,Aspergillus niger,survives in the colon

when there are disaccarides and other SCD illegal sugars. If we

eliminate these harmful sugars with SCD,then the fungi cannot

survive in the colon.

It is not necsessary to combine SCD with the low oxalate diet IF you

do SCD correctly. A website was made to discuss the oxalate issue

and SCD. It explains how to get the benfits of low oxalates without

having to combine both diets. Since combining both diets is so

difficult,it is very important for parents to read this website

before combining both diets.

Those who want to read the website can write to me and I will send

them the link.

Mimi

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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> Mimi, could you please send me the link. Thanks

>

To all interested in Mimi's link:

Oxalate problems and SCD address two different issues but they can be

overlapping

issues. Some ASD children have oxalate problems, some SCD people especially

celiacs

have oxalate problems and some in both categories do not.

If you are also on the Low Oxalate list you may encounter some people from here

and

others on SCD not from here. You may read posts from people eating non SCD

foods,

messages from autism parents about the progress they are making.

Owens is very well versed in her knowledge of the topic as is the LOD

group

moderator. They are extremely dedicated and also supportive of SCD for its

STATED

PURPOSE but their topic is about oxalates and ours is SCD and we must keep

focus on SCD, first.

Being celiac, I found only one high oxalate food I use on a regular basis and

could easily

modify it's use to less than daily. (cherry tomatoes) Otherwise I just avoided

two low

oxalate foods because they are restricted from SCD. (sweet corn and canned water

chestnuts). The low oxalate diet doesn't insist you eat non SCD foods, it

indicates the

levels of oxalate in three food lists.(high, medium and low) as a guideline.

Both SCD and LOD will see benefit from proper studies . SCD has an impressive

history of

effectiveness and an impressive archive of positive anectdotal success reports.

SCD is

more than half a century old and has been followed by countless adults and many

ASD

children. I would heed Elaine's advice to make it your first priority.

As a celiac adult, I found the info on the relationship of oxalates and celiac

very

interesting ( it's new to me) and I will continue to study it.

Carol F.

Toronto, celiac, SCD 5 years

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