How do I know if my symptoms are realted to my implants?

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I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years

ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels)

tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle

had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He

sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not

slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle

had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the

" dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the

way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because

it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times

per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without

explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about

2 weeks. After this happened, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I

went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I

have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not

the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these

symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to

determine this?

[Guest guest]

Hi:

Wow. I am no expert, but that sounds implant related. I can't believe a portion of your muscle is missing. My muscle, too was cut to have the implant inserted, without my knowledge. I have had saline implants for 9 years. I have been experiencing weakness in my arms and hands for a while now, and I am unable to grip, just like you. I also have numbness in my fingertips. The doctor told me it was nothing, but I know it is the implants. My implants are being removed in 11 days. I am sorry you have to experience this. I don't know what to suggest because most doctors don't believe implants cause these problems. Maybe some of the other ladies on this site can help you. We are all here for you. You have come to the right place. The ladies here will support you and help you through this. Take care.

From: themarx4 <themarx4@...> Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 11:28:03 AMSubject: How do I know if my symptoms are realted to my implants?

I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years ago, I had a "dip" in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the "dip" in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this

happened, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to determine this?

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Hi and welcome,

These are hard questions to answer...in all the years that I have been involved

in breast implant support, this is a first!

The CT of the arm is interesting...for goodness sake, how could a muscle be

missing? How can a muscle DISSOLVE?? How does the doctor explain this one to

you? I am extremely curious about that.

I can tell you that muscle weakness is a very common issue after getting breast

implants, though I do not know the physiology of the problem. That is, I don't

know why we have muscle weakness. I distinctly remember after I got ill, I

could hardly hold a heavy metal pan in my left arm without it forcing me to bend

my wrist downward as I held it. I simply didn't have the strength anymore to

hold it up like I used to. That has gotten better over the years as I have

healed, so I know for sure it was related to my breast implant health issues.

Unfortunately, though your symptoms are very mysterious and unexplained, it is

not likely that you are going to be able to pinpoint them directly to your

implants. It is very difficult to prove a correlation between breast implants

and illness because they affect us all in so many different ways. There are

breakdowns in various body systems, and every woman will experience some area of

weakness through genetics, environmental exposures, or past history of illness.

One woman with implants may end up with symptoms similar to multiple sclerosis,

while another woman might have symptoms associated with lupus.

So, what I'm saying is that this health concern may very well be related to your

implants, but you will have to approach your " cure " with intuitive feelings,

rather than hard and cold facts that tests will prove. How I wish there were

tests! It would be so much more simple to say, " Yes, it is the implants, they

need to go. "

But most of us have had to put two and two together and recognize that our

health concerns started after implants were put in, and we share many similar

complaints, and then pursue a program of detoxing and healthy lifestyle after

removal to try to get that health back.

Some women are lucky and do have proof that it was the implants after the fact.

For instance, one of our women had Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid disease, and

before the implants were removed, her antibody reading was sky high. After the

implants were removed, those antibody numbers went down so fast her doctor was

astounded.

Many other women find that their health is regained within a year or so after

explant, and go on to live very full and happy lives. Others struggle with some

health issues that are less strong, and so achieve a great measure of healing,

but not quite fully 100% back to normal. It is not guaranteed that health will

return completely with implant removal, but it is the best chance you have,

considering the option of keeping the implants, which does not do anything

positive at all.

Keep doing your research...and then go with your feelings about what is right

for you. That is what all of us have had to do, because the medical field is not

going to point to the implants as a cause, leaving us to make that decision on

our own. We usually find that we were right and the doctors were wrong.

Take care,

Patty

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> I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years

ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels)

tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle

had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He

sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not

slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle

had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the

" dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the

way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because

it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times

per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without

explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about

2 weeks. After this happened, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I

went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I

have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not

the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these

symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to

determine this?

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, Honey, I have just seen your message, and I am sorry that you are having these problems. I agree with our Patty, because I have never heard of this condition. Did you have your breast implants inserted in your arm pit? Your symptoms are the same as many women, and these devices are not safe.

I hope that you will get some medical advice soon, because you should not suffer. My arms were so weak that my husband had to cut my food, and curling my hair was impossible. This condition is better now that the implants have been removed.

Stay close to this wonderful group of women...Love to you....Lea

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How do I know if my symptoms are realted to my implants?

I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years ago, I had a "dip" in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the "dip" in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this hap pened, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to determine this?

[Guest guest]

Muscle Atrophy can be caused by several things.....

Have you had any cortisone or kenalog shots in your

arm there ? Below is a site for info, then below that

is a short note about my experience....

www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003188.htm

Could be that there was/are nerves being compromised

from the implants . I had problems with my arm from

a huge silicone filled mass in my chest wall from a rupture.

I had pain that shot down the arm, then up the neck, got to

where I dropped things.....like coffee cups, pens, etc....

even got to where I could barely write......

After the removal of the mass, the arm functions came

back, and all that pain was gone !

So you just never know.......keep researching and get

more opinions.....

Blessings ~

Dede

Re: How do I know if my symptoms are realted to my implants?

Hi and welcome,

These are hard questions to answer...in all the years that I have been involved in breast implant support, this is a first!

The CT of the arm is interesting...for goodness sake, how could a muscle be missing? How can a muscle DISSOLVE?? How does the doctor explain this one to you? I am extremely curious about that.

I can tell you that muscle weakness is a very common issue after getting breast implants, though I do not know the physiology of the problem. That is, I don't know why we have muscle weakness. I distinctly remember after I got ill, I could hardly hold a heavy metal pan in my left arm without it forcing me to bend my wrist downward as I held it. I simply didn't have the strength anymore to hold it up like I used to. That has gotten better over the years as I have healed, so I know for sure it was related to my breast implant health issues.

Unfortunately, though your symptoms are very mysterious and unexplained, it is not likely that you are going to be able to pinpoint them directly to your implants. It is very difficult to prove a correlation between breast implants and illness because they affect us all in so many different ways. There are breakdowns in various body systems, and every woman will experience some area of weakness through genetics, environmental exposures, or past history of illness. One woman with implants may end up with symptoms similar to multiple sclerosis, while another woman might have symptoms associated with lupus.

So, what I'm saying is that this health concern may very well be related to your implants, but you will have to approach your "cure" with intuitive feelings, rather than hard and cold facts that tests will prove. How I wish there were tests! It would be so much more simple to say, "Yes, it is the implants, they need to go."

But most of us have had to put two and two together and recognize that our health concerns started after implants were put in, and we share many similar complaints, and then pursue a program of detoxing and healthy lifestyle after removal to try to get that health back.

Some women are lucky and do have proof that it was the implants after the fact. For instance, one of our women had Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid disease, and before the implants were removed, her antibody reading was sky high. After the implants were removed, those antibody numbers went down so fast her doctor was astounded.

Many other women find that their health is regained within a year or so after explant, and go on to live very full and happy lives. Others struggle with some health issues that are less strong, and so achieve a great measure of healing, but not quite fully 100% back to normal. It is not guaranteed that health will return completely with implant removal, but it is the best chance you have, considering the option of keeping the implants, which does not do anything positive at all.

Keep doing your research...and then go with your feelings about what is right for you. That is what all of us have had to do, because the medical field is not going to point to the implants as a cause, leaving us to make that decision on our own. We usually find that we were right and the doctors were wrong.

Take care,

Patty

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> I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years ago, I had a "dip" in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the "dip" in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to determine this?

>

[Guest guest]

I too had severe muscle wasting where my left shoulder completely dissolved, if

that is what they call that! That was 5 years ago before I knew that my

implants had ruptured. I could not drive for 2 years because of the pain and

weakness without the proper functioning muscles; I am also a lefty so really

could not do anything .

Even after all of these years, still suffering from intermittant arm pain after

explant, I have now realized that the muscle wasting/fibromyalgia pain that I

was suffering was related to yeast/overgrowth in the muscles. Once I finally

got that cleared up, the pain went away completely and my muscles have been

growing back beautifully. My arms function again ; I just went bowling for the

first time in 6 years over xmas! And that was a test for me; would my arms hurt

afterwards ... they have been perfect!

There are so many ways to help with yeast overgrowth. For me it was they h202

protocol that finally helped mine. Others use caprylic acid, like Dede with

great results, garlic, etc.

So keep looking what will work for you, but that is what worked for me.

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> > I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years

ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels)

tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle

had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He

sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not

slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle

had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the

" dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the

way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because

it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times

per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without

explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about

2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I

went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I

have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not

the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these

symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to

determine this?

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for that important info Jeanne...I did not know you had the muscle

wasting, along with the ruptured implant. I am sure you told us that, and I had

not remembered. It seems that a ruptured implant is a culprit in the wasting

process? I also had muscle weakness, but no wasting....I just felt like I had

no strength anymore.

Now I am really intrigued about the yeast overgrowth in the muscles! I am so

happy to hear that you have overcome this and the proof was in the bowling!

That's fantastic!

Are you still using the H202 regularly? How long will you be doing that?

For our new girls, can you outline the protocol that you used? I know you

bought food grade Hydrogen Peroxide and worked your way up from a small number

of drops several times a day, to a larger amount of drops several times per day.

I know you've told me all of this on FaceBook (Thanks for those great updates!),

can you perhaps now share your healing process with the group?

Thanks Jeanne! You're an inspiration!

Patty

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> > > I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three

years ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still

feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my

muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this

diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my

muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a

portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain

this. Today, the " dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and

weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my

daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have

bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6

months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender.

This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month

for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to

regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is

treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my

symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants?

What steps should I take to determine this?

> > >

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[Guest guest]

The oral h202 protocol that I followed was:

begin with 3 drops 3x day in distilled water on empty stomach

increase by 1 drop 3x day until you reach 25 drops 3x day or 75 drops / day

stay on that dosage for at least 3 weeks and then you can decrease

IT TOOK ME 6 MONTHS TO GET TO 75 DROPS! I WAS SO TOXIC AND FELT MUCH DETOX FROM

THE H202, SO I MAINTAINED 15 DROPS 3X DAY FOR MONTHS. IT WAS NOT UNTIL I COULD

MOVE UP TO THE 25 DROPS 3X DAY THAT I FELT REAL IMPROVEMENT HOWEVER. EVERYONE

IS DIFFERENT AND THEY MAY EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THAT WAS MY

EXPERIENCE.

Only use food grade 35% h202 purchased from a reputable supplier and mix with

distilled water only for best results. Must be taken on an empty stomach to

avoid stomach upset.

I continue with a maintenance dosage daily to keep my candida in check.

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> > > > I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three

years ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still

feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my

muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this

diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my

muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a

portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain

this. Today, the " dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and

weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my

daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have

bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6

months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender.

This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month

for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to

regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is

treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my

symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants?

What steps should I take to determine this?

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[Guest guest]

where did you get this recipe or who first told you about this remedy?

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From: jeanneschwerd@...Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:39:55 +0000Subject: Re: How do I know if my symptoms are realted to my implants?

The oral h202 protocol that I followed was:begin with 3 drops 3x day in distilled water on empty stomachincrease by 1 drop 3x day until you reach 25 drops 3x day or 75 drops / daystay on that dosage for at least 3 weeks and then you can decreaseIT TOOK ME 6 MONTHS TO GET TO 75 DROPS! I WAS SO TOXIC AND FELT MUCH DETOX FROM THE H202, SO I MAINTAINED 15 DROPS 3X DAY FOR MONTHS. IT WAS NOT UNTIL I COULD MOVE UP TO THE 25 DROPS 3X DAY THAT I FELT REAL IMPROVEMENT HOWEVER. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND THEY MAY EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE.Only use food grade 35% h202 purchased from a reputable supplier and mix with distilled water only for best results. Must be taken on an empty stomach to avoid stomach upset.I continue with a maintenance dosage daily to keep my candida in check.> > > >> > > > I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three years ago, I had a "dip" in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain this. Today, the "dip" in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6 months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender. This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants? What steps should I take to determine this?> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I googled and researched the h$%k out of it. Also, you can do a search within

this forum for people discussing it in which it has helped in the past.

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> > > > > I got saline implants 8 years ago when I was 21 years old. About three

years ago, I had a " dip " in the muscle of my left arm. My arm felt (and still

feels) tingly and weak. After going to the doctor, he said it appeared that my

muscle had slipped. However, I had no trauma to my arm to support this

diagnosis. He sent me to get a CT scan of my arm. The results showed that my

muscle had not slipped, it was missing. They told me that it looked like a

portion of my muscle had dissolved. Again, I had no trauma to my arm to explain

this. Today, the " dip " in my arm is not so noticeable but I still have pain and

weakness all the way through my arm. I can not do things, like braid my

daughter's hair because it hurts my arm. About 8 months ago, I began to have

bouts of nausea 2-3 times per week. This still currently affects me. About 6

months ago, without explanation my breasts and nipples became extremly tender.

This lasted for about 2 weeks. After this happene d, I had two periods per month

for 4 months. When I went to my doctor, he wanted to put me on birth control to

regulate my cycle. I have not followed this advice because I feel that is

treating the symptoms not the cause. I am not getting any answers for my

symptoms. How do I know if these symptoms are related to my breast implants?

What steps should I take to determine this?

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