Re: SCD Yogurt induced Diarhea?

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:48:21 -0000 " frankpfranzese "

frank.franzese@...> writes:

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> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet that

> would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is

> skeptical

> because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet in

> the management of this disease. She's worried that our son will not

> be

> able to gain weight and get the essentials he need to grow.

Hi. Please feel free to contact me off list. My son is 13, and I'm on the

list for his Crohn's, not autism. I probably won't be able to get back to

her till sometime Sunday.

Just a few things about growth: Steroids inhibit growth. This is a major

reason why we decided to put my son on 6-MP (generic for Imuran) as it

allowed him to wean off the prednisone (last day this Wed. G-d willing

;-).

My GI, who's very mainstream, also recommends zinc. Zinc has a lot of

beneficial properties, but the dr. specifically mentioned growth, and to

help him through flu season. My son takes 2 Freeda vitamins - the super B

complex, that has lots of great stuff, and the multivitamin. Freeda is

highly endorsed by the SCD community as it's so pure.

(The GI also recommends remicade preemptively and we have vociferously

turned it down.)

About making it through flu season: we also opted to give him the flu

shot. This would not be a popular view here, for reasons I understand

well, but adolescents with compromised immune systems might benefit from

it.

About gaining weight: He will gain weight, and not just due to steroids.

Now the big question is, will he also grow vertically.

Grammy Bauer on this list arranges for SCD buddies geographically. You

may be able to find someone else with kids on the diet in your area.

My son's not exactly a happy camper but we're plugging along. Got to run

- he's coming home soon and I have no idea what I'm going to feed him.

Take care, Fay

[Guest guest]

What color was the D? When you introduced the yogurt was a strict 1/8th of a

tsp.? And then , you worked your way up? When I first introduced the nut

yogurt, I started out really slow because I know how easy K reacts to

everything. It is highly recommended. Also, did the D ever go away from

starting the intro.? Were the fruits cooked first before you used them in

the smoothies? Did you deseed the strawberries? You are starting out with

cooked frutis and veggies right? My daughter has had die-off 3x's since the

start of this diet. It was green mucousy D. If you do every stage slowly and

add things very slowly paying close attention to allergies and die-off

reactions, you will see a big difference keeping him on this diet. Jenn &

Kali(vaccine damaged 95% SCD 6 months

SCD Yogurt induced Diarhea?

> Hi,

> I'm new to the forum and hope some of the veterans out there can give

> me some useful advice.

> 1) My 11yo son was just diagnosed with UC 2 wks ago after 6mo of

> intermittent diarhea. He has been started on Asacol/Prednisone, and we

> also started SCD about 10 days ago. After 1 wk, he seemed to be

> feeling better with less frequent and more form to his bowel

> movements. We introduced SCD yogurt earlier in the week, and used it

> to make smoothies using a combination of bananna, strawberries and

> honey. Over the last 2-3 days his Bms have reverted back to diarhea

> with an occasional spot of blood. He has been very strict with the

> diet and I assume this is from the yogurt. I read in Elaine's book

> that this can sometimes happen in the first 2-3 wks of the diet, but

> don't know if this is specifically related to the yogurt. Any advice

> in general, and specifically whether to stop or continue with the yogurt?

> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet that

> would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is skeptical

> because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet in

> the management of this disease. She's worried that our son will not be

> able to gain weight and get the essentials he need to grow.

> Thank you all for your help

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> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I'm new to the forum and hope some of the veterans out there can give

> me some useful advice.

> 1) My 11yo son was just diagnosed with UC 2 wks ago after 6mo of

> intermittent diarhea. He has been started on Asacol/Prednisone, and we

> also started SCD about 10 days ago. After 1 wk, he seemed to be

> feeling better with less frequent and more form to his bowel

> movements. We introduced SCD yogurt earlier in the week, and used it

> to make smoothies using a combination of bananna, strawberries and

> honey. Over the last 2-3 days his Bms have reverted back to diarhea

> with an occasional spot of blood. He has been very strict with the

> diet and I assume this is from the yogurt.

How much yogurt did you give at a time? Was it cow's milk or goat's milk used to

make the

yogurt? It is usually started 3-4 weks after the intro diet

and in tiny amounts increasing them gradually. However, I do know a small amount

is in

the cheescake allowed on the intro diet.

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years

[Guest guest]

> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet

> that

> > would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is

> > skeptical

> > because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet

> in

> > the management of this disease.

One thing I forgot to mention: how to start the diet. In Breaking the

Vicious Cycle there are guidelines for how to start the diet. By the time

we started, my son had been on steroids for several weeks and was pretty

much symptom free already. There was no way we could restrict quantity

for a young teen on steroids. So we jumped in, letting him have just

about everything that was legal besides cabbage, dried beans, and raw

vegetables, which he has now and can tolerate well.

You will have to juggle your son's hunger with what he can have that he

can tolerate. You should get a lot of direction from this group but as I

said, I can't help you much with easing into this, though please feel

free to contact me directly. I'm sure there is more I can help with.

BTW, it is very bizarre that the dr. says that there is no role for diet

in the management of this disease. I'm sure he said this in the same

breath as recommending that your son not have raw vegetables, corn chips,

or popcorn, or a few other foods that many IBD people have to eat with

caution, like fried foods, dairy, and red meat. And he probably said that

these are lifelong precautions. OTOH, on the diet, we have had no

trouble with fried foods, legal dairy and red meat, and raw produce.

Logic dictates that diet should have SOME role. And BTVC offers some

compelling logic. In any case, I have heard too much strong anecdotal

evidence from IBD sufferers who have benefited from SCD to discount diet.

Take care, Fay

[Guest guest]

> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet

> that

> > would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is

> > skeptical

> > because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet

> in

> > the management of this disease.

One thing I forgot to mention: how to start the diet. In Breaking the

Vicious Cycle there are guidelines for how to start the diet. By the time

we started, my son had been on steroids for several weeks and was pretty

much symptom free already. There was no way we could restrict quantity

for a young teen on steroids. So we jumped in, letting him have just

about everything that was legal besides cabbage, dried beans, and raw

vegetables, which he has now and can tolerate well.

You will have to juggle your son's hunger with what he can have that he

can tolerate. You should get a lot of direction from this group but as I

said, I can't help you much with easing into this, though please feel

free to contact me directly. I'm sure there is more I can help with.

BTW, it is very bizarre that the dr. says that there is no role for diet

in the management of this disease. I'm sure he said this in the same

breath as recommending that your son not have raw vegetables, corn chips,

or popcorn, or a few other foods that many IBD people have to eat with

caution, like fried foods, dairy, and red meat. And he probably said that

these are lifelong precautions. OTOH, on the diet, we have had no

trouble with fried foods, legal dairy and red meat, and raw produce.

Logic dictates that diet should have SOME role. And BTVC offers some

compelling logic. In any case, I have heard too much strong anecdotal

evidence from IBD sufferers who have benefited from SCD to discount diet.

Take care, Fay

[Guest guest]

> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet

> that

> > would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is

> > skeptical

> > because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet

> in

> > the management of this disease.

One thing I forgot to mention: how to start the diet. In Breaking the

Vicious Cycle there are guidelines for how to start the diet. By the time

we started, my son had been on steroids for several weeks and was pretty

much symptom free already. There was no way we could restrict quantity

for a young teen on steroids. So we jumped in, letting him have just

about everything that was legal besides cabbage, dried beans, and raw

vegetables, which he has now and can tolerate well.

You will have to juggle your son's hunger with what he can have that he

can tolerate. You should get a lot of direction from this group but as I

said, I can't help you much with easing into this, though please feel

free to contact me directly. I'm sure there is more I can help with.

BTW, it is very bizarre that the dr. says that there is no role for diet

in the management of this disease. I'm sure he said this in the same

breath as recommending that your son not have raw vegetables, corn chips,

or popcorn, or a few other foods that many IBD people have to eat with

caution, like fried foods, dairy, and red meat. And he probably said that

these are lifelong precautions. OTOH, on the diet, we have had no

trouble with fried foods, legal dairy and red meat, and raw produce.

Logic dictates that diet should have SOME role. And BTVC offers some

compelling logic. In any case, I have heard too much strong anecdotal

evidence from IBD sufferers who have benefited from SCD to discount diet.

Take care, Fay

[Guest guest]

> 2) Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet

> that

> > would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is

> > skeptical

> > because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet

> in

> > the management of this disease.

One thing I forgot to mention: how to start the diet. In Breaking the

Vicious Cycle there are guidelines for how to start the diet. By the time

we started, my son had been on steroids for several weeks and was pretty

much symptom free already. There was no way we could restrict quantity

for a young teen on steroids. So we jumped in, letting him have just

about everything that was legal besides cabbage, dried beans, and raw

vegetables, which he has now and can tolerate well.

You will have to juggle your son's hunger with what he can have that he

can tolerate. You should get a lot of direction from this group but as I

said, I can't help you much with easing into this, though please feel

free to contact me directly. I'm sure there is more I can help with.

BTW, it is very bizarre that the dr. says that there is no role for diet

in the management of this disease. I'm sure he said this in the same

breath as recommending that your son not have raw vegetables, corn chips,

or popcorn, or a few other foods that many IBD people have to eat with

caution, like fried foods, dairy, and red meat. And he probably said that

these are lifelong precautions. OTOH, on the diet, we have had no

trouble with fried foods, legal dairy and red meat, and raw produce.

Logic dictates that diet should have SOME role. And BTVC offers some

compelling logic. In any case, I have heard too much strong anecdotal

evidence from IBD sufferers who have benefited from SCD to discount diet.

Take care, Fay

[Guest guest]

> 2)

Also are there any people with UC/CD that are using the diet that

> would be willing to directly correspond with my wife who is skeptical

> because our pediatric GI is telling her there is no role for diet in

> the management of this disease.

The diet and the book was written to help those with celiac, Crohn's, U.C. and

other gastric

diseases.

Carol F.

Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years