Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Is she on enzymes? Have you had a food sensitivity test run? Right off the bat, that is alot of peanut butter to be eating every day, multiple times a day. Some children also have a hard time digesting nuts at all for the beginning of the diet. Peanut butter also happens to sensitize people quite easily when in poor digestive health. Does your child have a phenol processing problem? Many of the foods listed seem fairly high in phenols. Being on the diet for three months is not very long. A magic medication or solution just does not exist. Healing is a process, it can't occurr all at one time. This being said, this diet is like an onion. Little by little we try to unravel the mysteries of these sensitivities, so we can heal these little digestive systems. Have you introduced any yogurt yet? When was peanut butter introduced? Are you keeping a daily food journal? After the intro diet, it is best to introduce no more than one new food a week. Some people say two or three days, but if I had done that with my children, I would be hopelessly confused to what foods they were reacting to. Sometimes, some reactions take more than a few days to even show up! Looking at your menu again, it looks like she has peanut butter for breakfast, with lunch, sometimes with dinner, and for snacks during the day, that is too much. Also, lots of honey throughout the day, combined with pureed pears for treats, and then just burger patties for lunch and soup for supper. Basically, too many high phenolic sweets can be indicative of possible phenol processing problems and lots of yeast friendly food. Talking is also a process. While my oldest started talking relatively quickly into the diet, my son Ben only started saying a few words at the beginning. We have now been on the diet for 13 months, and improvement continues. It one sense, it doesn't matter the diet a person tries, everyone has to keep troubleshooting their way through, figuring out existing sensitivities or new ones as they occur, other problems like inability to process phenols, inability to digest nuts well, yeast and other microbe problems, etc. The tests for food sensitivities are not completely accurate, especially since they can move around. The tests for yeasties cannot show many types of yeasts because more strains are unmapped. Rotating food and eating a balanced diet are important to avoiding developing new sensitivities and feeding the same microbes the foods they will eat on a daily basis. My last observation, the only vegetables I see in her diet are carrots (phenolic again) and onions (irritating to some if not pureed in the beginning). This is not healthy. It would be good to start working on reversing the amount of fruits and nuts to vegatable matter. She needs more vegetables. If you do all this very slowly, tackling one issue at a time, she needn't get too frustrated. Start sneaking in veggies into her ground meat patties. There is a recipe for sneaky chicken patties on pecanbread. I would actually make that the very first thing to start in on, adding vegetables. You can add them into pancakes for breakfast, meat patties for lunch, and try pureeing them into the soup for dinner, so she doesn't notice. That is, if she refuses vegetables right out, I am only assumming here. Start weaning off that peanut butter too. Summer Hi everyone, I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) Shellie For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Sometimes people have IgG sensitivities to foods that are SCD-legal, and they may not see as many Maybe time to move on? > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Sorry - accidentally pushed the SEND key before I was finished. I'm wondering if she has allergies/sensitivities that you don't know about, and are accidentally feeding her something that is causing inflammation. I don't know if you've been on the diet long enough to see all the positive changes you can have, such as healing that will allow the body to detox from heavy metals. Have you had an IgG and IgE test? You might also check into the " Trying Low Oxalates " yahoo group, and see if you see something there that might help, in addition to this diet. Marilyn leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenal, SCD 6 weeks Maybe time to move on? > > >> Hi everyone, >> I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be >> something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something >> very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 >> years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. >> Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut >> butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. >> For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and >> Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter >> brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with >> organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, >> or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, >> onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb >> brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed >> pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her >> bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many >> times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us >> better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot >> different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She >> is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything >> anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her >> this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better >> results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) >> Shellie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >> websites: >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >> and >> http://www.pecanbread.com >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 > > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie I am wondering why so few vegetables and so much repitition of foods? Did you do the " Intro Diet, " and then start adding other foods? If she has been on the diet nearly threee months it would seem more foods would have been added. Is she rejecting more variety or having adverse reactions? Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 > > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie I am wondering why so few vegetables and so much repitition of foods? Did you do the " Intro Diet, " and then start adding other foods? If she has been on the diet nearly threee months it would seem more foods would have been added. Is she rejecting more variety or having adverse reactions? Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 > > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie I am wondering why so few vegetables and so much repitition of foods? Did you do the " Intro Diet, " and then start adding other foods? If she has been on the diet nearly threee months it would seem more foods would have been added. Is she rejecting more variety or having adverse reactions? Carol F. Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Before you give up, I would remove the turkey if the hamburger has any thing extra added, I would remove that too and see what happens. Turkey seems to be a real target for being injected with sugar and they don't have to put it on the label either. It would be a try anyway. We like Smart Chicken Organic. Maybe you could try that instead? -- Carol in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 > > Before you give up, I would remove the turkey if the hamburger has any thing extra added, I would remove that too and see what happens. > > Turkey seems to be a real target for being injected with sugar and they don't have to put it on the label either. > It would be a try anyway. > We like Smart Chicken Organic. Maybe you could try that instead? > > -- > Carol in IL > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hi, We have tried Houston enzymes in the past, and actually still have all 3 here. We just didn't see any difference and stopped, but I am willing to try again. She does have phenol issues, but I didn't know carrots were high, so we'll definitely have to consider that, and that is why we're using pears instead of apples. Would it be a better idea to switch to cashew butter instead, or just forget baked goods right now? We have tried the yogurt, but it didn't go well, even with the enzymes. There weren't any behavioral problems with it, but the cramps she got were awful. I should have said the other veggies she gets in her soups, I only said carrots because that's what we use in the recipe to make the chicken broth, but when she has soup she eats it sometimes with green beans, sometimes with peas, and once in a while with broccoli cut up in it. I will definitely cut back on the peanut butter things--thank you for your help! Shellie > > Is she on enzymes? Have you had a food sensitivity test run? Right off the bat, that is alot of peanut butter to be eating every day, multiple times a day. Some children also have a hard time digesting nuts at all for the beginning of the diet. Peanut butter also happens to sensitize people quite easily when in poor digestive health. Does your child have a phenol processing problem? Many of the foods listed seem fairly high in phenols. > > Being on the diet for three months is not very long. A magic medication or solution just does not exist. Healing is a process, it can't occurr all at one time. This being said, this diet is like an onion. Little by little we try to unravel the mysteries of these sensitivities, so we can heal these little digestive systems. > > Have you introduced any yogurt yet? When was peanut butter introduced? Are you keeping a daily food journal? After the intro diet, it is best to introduce no more than one new food a week. Some people say two or three days, but if I had done that with my children, I would be hopelessly confused to what foods they were reacting to. Sometimes, some reactions take more than a few days to even show up! > > Looking at your menu again, it looks like she has peanut butter for breakfast, with lunch, sometimes with dinner, and for snacks during the day, that is too much. Also, lots of honey throughout the day, combined with pureed pears for treats, and then just burger patties for lunch and soup for supper. Basically, too many high phenolic sweets can be indicative of possible phenol processing problems and lots of yeast friendly food. > > > Talking is also a process. While my oldest started talking relatively quickly into the diet, my son Ben only started saying a few words at the beginning. We have now been on the diet for 13 months, and improvement continues. It one sense, it doesn't matter the diet a person tries, everyone has to keep troubleshooting their way through, figuring out existing sensitivities or new ones as they occur, other problems like inability to process phenols, inability to digest nuts well, yeast and other microbe problems, etc. The tests for food sensitivities are not completely accurate, especially since they can move around. The tests for yeasties cannot show many types of yeasts because more strains are unmapped. Rotating food and eating a balanced diet are important to avoiding developing new sensitivities and feeding the same microbes the foods they will eat on a daily basis. > > My last observation, the only vegetables I see in her diet are carrots (phenolic again) and onions (irritating to some if not pureed in the beginning). This is not healthy. It would be good to start working on reversing the amount of fruits and nuts to vegatable matter. She needs more vegetables. If you do all this very slowly, tackling one issue at a time, she needn't get too frustrated. Start sneaking in veggies into her ground meat patties. There is a recipe for sneaky chicken patties on pecanbread. > > I would actually make that the very first thing to start in on, adding vegetables. You can add them into pancakes for breakfast, meat patties for lunch, and try pureeing them into the soup for dinner, so she doesn't notice. That is, if she refuses vegetables right out, I am only assumming here. Start weaning off that peanut butter too. > > > Summer > > > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hi Marilyn, I haven't done any allergy testing, but will look into it--thank you, and I'll also look into the group you mentioned. Thanks! Shellie > > Sorry - accidentally pushed the SEND key before I was finished. > > I'm wondering if she has allergies/sensitivities that you don't know about, > and are accidentally feeding her something that is causing inflammation. I > don't know if you've been on the diet long enough to see all the positive > changes you can have, such as healing that will allow the body to detox from > heavy metals. > > Have you had an IgG and IgE test? You might also check into the " Trying Low > Oxalates " yahoo group, and see if you see something there that might help, > in addition to this diet. > > Marilyn > leaky gut, low thyroid/adrenal, SCD 6 weeks > > > > > > > Maybe time to move on? > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > >> something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > >> very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > >> years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > >> Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > >> butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > >> For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > >> Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > >> brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > >> organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > >> or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > >> onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > >> brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > >> pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > >> bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > >> times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > >> better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > >> different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > >> is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > >> anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > >> this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > >> results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > >> Shellie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > >> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > >> websites: > >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > >> and > >> http://www.pecanbread.com > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hi Carol, After I reread my post I can see that it looks like she isn't eating any veggies. I meant to say that I make her chicken broth with the carrots, but when she eats her soup she'll have green beans, peas and sometimes broccoli in it. She likes all 3 of them. The only food she really will not eat is eggs of any kind. She'll actually get up and leave the table if someone sits next to her with eggs on their plate We did do the intro diet, and a few of the things we tried to give her didn't go well, like the berries, but maybe we should start over? I'd like to try bananas again, too because she really likes them. Thanks for your reply Shellie > > > > Hi everyone, > > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > > Shellie > > I am wondering why so few vegetables and so much repitition of foods? Did you do the > " Intro Diet, " and then start adding other foods? If she has been on the diet nearly threee > months it would seem more foods would have been added. Is she rejecting more variety or > having adverse reactions? > > Carol F. > Toronto, Celiac, SCD 5 years > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Thanks, Carol--we'll try anything! Shellie > > Before you give up, I would remove the turkey if the hamburger has any thing extra added, I would remove that too and see what happens. > > Turkey seems to be a real target for being injected with sugar and they don't have to put it on the label either. > It would be a try anyway. > We like Smart Chicken Organic. Maybe you could try that instead? > > -- > Carol in IL > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Shellie, There are other enzymes to try if Houston's do not work for you. It really seems to me that enzymes are a very individual thing for people. Also, their use over time has a culminative effect. Be sure to introduce enzymes gradually, even if she has been on them before. There is a great book on enzymes " Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Conditons " by DeFelice. She came up with the slow method. Start with an eighth a capsule of zyme prime each day for a week, then introduce an eigth capsule of No Fenol for one week, then add to these two an eigth capsule of peptizyde. Gradually, over time, add a tiny bit more to the schedule. You want to introduce them one at a time to see if there is any reaction and minimize any die off, if there should be any. The primary effects of enzymes are their ability to increase absorption of nutrients in the gut by breaking down food into individual proteins. This not only facilitates absorption, but helps prevent the leakage of broken down proteins entering the blood stream, thus triggering an immune response, and possibly intoxicating the nervous system. Enzymes also help break down and remove debris and waste material from the whole digestive system and even work some when entering the blood stream doing the same. So, over time, the enzymes become more efficient, as there are more attacking the job of breakdown and removal. Enzymes have really brought about a clear awareness with my children. They facilitate intestinal healing. SCD has done this also. Together, this really is our base for healing. Still, with all of this said, you just have to try stuff, and stick with it long enough to see if there is anything that changes. All this stuff does take time, and we are all still in healing stage with this approach. As for the rest, I would still up vegetables more, and reduce the sweets. Right now may be too soon for nut products, and when you are unsure what your child may be reacting too, starting the intro diet again with a food journal will help alot. Pears for some people really activate some strains of yeast, even cooked. Introducing foods slowly will help. Cashews and cashew butter are considered a more advanced SCD food, higher in carbs, I would not substitute any nut products until you are on an even keel. There are some recipes floating around for nutless baking. Honey is also highly phenolic. Did you start the yogurt at an eigth a teaspoon a day? Do you think the cramps were sensitivity or die off? Yogurt causes massive die off in some people (this is great, what we want to do with it, get rid of those bad boogies) thus the eigth a teaspoon a day strategy, gently working up. Also, what kind of yogurt. If it was dairy, I would suggest using goat milk instead of cow. There are also other yogurt alternatives, like making nut yogurts. Summer shellie262001 shelliehask@...> wrote: Hi, We have tried Houston enzymes in the past, and actually still have all 3 here. We just didn't see any difference and stopped, but I am willing to try again. She does have phenol issues, but I didn't know carrots were high, so we'll definitely have to consider that, and that is why we're using pears instead of apples. Would it be a better idea to switch to cashew butter instead, or just forget baked goods right now? We have tried the yogurt, but it didn't go well, even with the enzymes. There weren't any behavioral problems with it, but the cramps she got were awful. I should have said the other veggies she gets in her soups, I only said carrots because that's what we use in the recipe to make the chicken broth, but when she has soup she eats it sometimes with green beans, sometimes with peas, and once in a while with broccoli cut up in it. I will definitely cut back on the peanut butter things--thank you for your help! Shellie > > Is she on enzymes? Have you had a food sensitivity test run? Right off the bat, that is alot of peanut butter to be eating every day, multiple times a day. Some children also have a hard time digesting nuts at all for the beginning of the diet. Peanut butter also happens to sensitize people quite easily when in poor digestive health. Does your child have a phenol processing problem? Many of the foods listed seem fairly high in phenols. > > Being on the diet for three months is not very long. A magic medication or solution just does not exist. Healing is a process, it can't occurr all at one time. This being said, this diet is like an onion. Little by little we try to unravel the mysteries of these sensitivities, so we can heal these little digestive systems. > > Have you introduced any yogurt yet? When was peanut butter introduced? Are you keeping a daily food journal? After the intro diet, it is best to introduce no more than one new food a week. Some people say two or three days, but if I had done that with my children, I would be hopelessly confused to what foods they were reacting to. Sometimes, some reactions take more than a few days to even show up! > > Looking at your menu again, it looks like she has peanut butter for breakfast, with lunch, sometimes with dinner, and for snacks during the day, that is too much. Also, lots of honey throughout the day, combined with pureed pears for treats, and then just burger patties for lunch and soup for supper. Basically, too many high phenolic sweets can be indicative of possible phenol processing problems and lots of yeast friendly food. > > > Talking is also a process. While my oldest started talking relatively quickly into the diet, my son Ben only started saying a few words at the beginning. We have now been on the diet for 13 months, and improvement continues. It one sense, it doesn't matter the diet a person tries, everyone has to keep troubleshooting their way through, figuring out existing sensitivities or new ones as they occur, other problems like inability to process phenols, inability to digest nuts well, yeast and other microbe problems, etc. The tests for food sensitivities are not completely accurate, especially since they can move around. The tests for yeasties cannot show many types of yeasts because more strains are unmapped. Rotating food and eating a balanced diet are important to avoiding developing new sensitivities and feeding the same microbes the foods they will eat on a daily basis. > > My last observation, the only vegetables I see in her diet are carrots (phenolic again) and onions (irritating to some if not pureed in the beginning). This is not healthy. It would be good to start working on reversing the amount of fruits and nuts to vegatable matter. She needs more vegetables. If you do all this very slowly, tackling one issue at a time, she needn't get too frustrated. Start sneaking in veggies into her ground meat patties. There is a recipe for sneaky chicken patties on pecanbread. > > I would actually make that the very first thing to start in on, adding vegetables. You can add them into pancakes for breakfast, meat patties for lunch, and try pureeing them into the soup for dinner, so she doesn't notice. That is, if she refuses vegetables right out, I am only assumming here. Start weaning off that peanut butter too. > > > Summer > > > Hi everyone, > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > Shellie > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 I had an IgG food test done on my son and found out he had an allergy to many of the main SCD foods such as eggs, bananas and almonds. I was ready to give up, but eventually found foods that he's willing to eat. If yeast is an issue, definitely lay off the peanut butter - that's a big yeast feeder. Are you giving cod liver oil? I noticed an improvement in speech after starting my son on CLO and the digestive enzymes (Kirkman's complete). Are you seeing a DAN doctor? I realize each child is different, but my son had no language prior to SCD and now he objects labels everything in sight. Try to eliminate some foods and reintroduce them slowly. Best wishes, 3.2yr son, SCD 6 months > > Sometimes people have IgG sensitivities to foods that are SCD-legal, and > they may not see as many > Maybe time to move on? > > > > Hi everyone, > > I think it may be time for us to accept that this diet may not be > > something that will help our daughter, or maybe I'm doing something > > very wrong--any thoughts would be very much appreciated She is 5 > > years old and has been strict scd since the middle of August. > > Everything she eats is still cooked, for breakfast she has peanut > > butter pancakes with just pb, egg and honey cooked in safflower oil. > > For lunch she has a hamburger or turkey burger patty (s and > > Applegate farms), carrot chips(fried in safflower oil), peanut butter > > brownie (again just pb, egg, baking soda and honey--pan lined with > > organic butter). For dinner she has either what she had for lunch, > > or homemade chicken soup made with spring water, chicken, carrots, > > onion and salt. Snacks and dessert in between is usually pb > > brownies, or homemade popsicles made with pressure cooked pureed > > pears and honey. The changes we've seen have definitely been in her > > bowels, and it has been a change for the better. And there are many > > times when she seems to be a lot more focused and understands us > > better. But for the most part her behavior seems not a lot > > different, and there hasn't been any improvement in her speech. She > > is still home with me 100%, so I know she isn't getting anything > > anywhere else, and my husband is very much in support of helping her > > this way. Is there a chance it hasn't been long enough to see better > > results? Thank you for reading and any advice:) > > Shellie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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