Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Could you use Sea Salt? >hi, > >i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated >the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would >it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? >if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am >vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > >i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of >the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results >with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you >know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to >the epsom salt? > >thank you, > >sonny > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 Dear sonny, I think you have to bite the bullet and drink the Epsom salts in liquid form. I haven't heard of the usage of disodium phosphate. Epsom salts are magnesium hexasulphate. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH liver cleansing > > hi, > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated > the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would > it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of > the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you > know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to > the epsom salt? > > thank you, > > sonny > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 No. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH Re: liver cleansing > Could you use Sea Salt? > > >hi, > > > >i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated > >the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would > >it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? > >if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am > >vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > > >i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of > >the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results > >with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you > >know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to > >the epsom salt? > > > >thank you, > > > >sonny > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 I just add the Epsom salt to a glass of cold orange juice. Not a perfect solution but much better than chilled water and Epsom salt...Ron Inda You could crush the Epsom salt and put into a gel/veg cap. It would be a lot of work but it would not have any taste since it would not pass over the taste buds, and would dissolve in the stomach...I do this with Homozon. --- ssukumar@... wrote: > > hi, > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it > before and hated > the taste of the Epsom salts (like most people, > apparently)? would > it work to put them into capsules and take several > capsules instead? > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian > capsules (i am > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium > phosphate instead of > the Epsom salts. some people claim to have had very > good results > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. > saul, perhaps you > know something of its chemistry inside the body and > if it compares to > the Epsom salt? > > thank you, > > sonny > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Sonny, First, it is very important that when you take herbs and things (or put anything in your mouth) that they NOT be encapsulated! In the case of cayenne, for example, 90% of its benefit is lost by eating it in capsules, according to Dr. Schulze. There are, I believe, two sets of tonsils & one of adenoids in the throat. They are sensors. Everything we consume, even breathe, is supposed to pass them so the brain can get a head start on what will arrive soon in the stomach. Next, I have said the following before, and have been taken the wrong way. So, I'm saying up front that I don't mean what I am about to say in a nasty or sarcastic way. This is just the basic facts, stated differently: You spent a lifetime happily stuffing poisons of all kinds in your body, eating dead food that has been processed one way or another til it no longer can be called nutrition, exhausting a lifetime's supply of cell enzymes, then ignoring the body's tell-tale signs that all was not well. Now, to clean out some of the accumulated toxic wastes, you have to drink something that tastes bad! My goodness, you mean they don't have vanilla flavored liver flushes yet?!? ;-) I have been cleaning out, sometimes slowly, one way or another, for almost two years. I have swallowed tablespoons of chalk (called Homozon) til I almost liked it, glasses of epsom salts (THE worst taste yet!), rashes all over my body (my lips are currently burning and peeling from a cleansing reaction to ozone that Saul says he sees in former cigarette smokers). I have gone weeks when my throat was an open wound, oozing a yellowed lymph that crystallized in amber crystals that would then crust off my skin. During this time I couldn't wear a shirt, because the rubbing on the tops of my shoulders would spreasd the rash there. This sort of thing has happened every time I treat myself with ozone. And, I am NOT complaining, because I WAS THE ONE WHO PUT THE POISONS THERE! My point is this: Cleaning out is not pretty! The body complains much louder when getting the poisons out than it did taking them in, or it seems that way sometimes. But, if someone is in a hurry to clean out -- as I am -- then, one simply has to tough it out! It is almost a miracle that you can clean your liver/gall bladder out without surgery! Stop wondering if you can substitute something better-tasting, and ask instead if there is something else that WORKS BETTER, not tastes better! Otherwise, IMO, you are fooling yourself that you have a chance to solve your problems wholistically, because that requires cleaning out old poisons, and liver cleansing is just the first step. Anyone who needs that, is almost guaranteed to also need a kidney and colon cleansing. These simply are NOT vanilla-flavored enterprises, and rare is the person who will complete them, IMO, if they begin with, " This tastes bad! " Start slow, by all means! Go slow, definitely! But, do what is most effective, not what is most pleasing. Doing that which is most pleasing is the behavior that got you to needing a cleanout in the first place. ;-)) jim ssukumar@... wrote: > > hi, > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated > the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would > it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of > the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you > know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to > the epsom salt? > > thank you, > > sonny ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 I would like to add that taking herbs at the same time as vitamins (at meals usually) can somtimes hinder absorption of the vitamin, particularly if the vit. is in tablet form. That might be the cause of the " tablet in the toilet " that some of us have seen, or just poor results from our supplements. I try to take my herbs " away from " my vitamins. Ginger or other herbs which help digestion, can be taken with food. Jim, do you chew up your supplements? Gladulars are supposed to be chewed to " tag " them for better absorption. I've always thought that capsules were better than tablets, but the thought of unecapsulating everything is a new thought to me, although you may have a very good point here. You certainly have a " bootcamp " attitude that might spur some like myself to toughen up my approach to health. Thanks for showing me that I'm a wimp in some ways... The truth hurts, but not as much as poor health. jp First, it is very important that when you take herbs and things (or put anything in your mouth) that they NOT be encapsulated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Jim, Thank you for your honesty. I do appreciate it and am glad to know you care enough to say something like that. Sonny > > > > hi, > > > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated > > the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would > > it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? > > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am > > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of > > the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results > > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you > > know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to > > the epsom salt? > > > > thank you, > > > > sonny > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@i... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 , You are probably right. I do sound a bit like a Drill Instructor, don't I? I've been mildly miserable for the last week because my latest ozone reaction was healing nicely, much sooner than expected. I took it as a sign that the reactions I am getting seem to be continually lessening, which I hope means that they are coming toward their end, where I will be clean enough to enjoy the sauna -- which is arriving soon! But, I tried putting on some soothing ointment and it flared up AGAIN! A word of warning to anyone having rashes from cleansing reactions: Don't do ANYTHING to them! LEAVE THEM ALONE! Anything you do will slow healing. Suffer in silence. I don't unencapsulate everything I take, just ones I feel should be. I don't think acidophilus is a shock to the stomach or body, or that the body needs preparation for them, so I take them in a cap. I have changed over a lot of things from pills to powders, though. But, I have cut back so much on supplements period, that there are only a few I take now. But, if the brain needs to prepare for the arrival of something, swallowing it is the best way to do that. With a combination of acupressure & muscle testing I can prove to anyone in 15 minutes that their brain can recognize substances in a bottle they are holding, or a pill, etc. As soon as anything gets within the " kirlian, " or aetherial aura, about an inch from the skin, the brain already knows what it is & whether or not it wants it. But, the swallowing thing seems to be another threshhold of awareness for the brain. I believe these awarenesses are a layered sort of thing, directional as though the flow is " energetically ducted, " from less to more. As for some people's beliefs about muscle testing, I teach the people I work with to tell me if they notice something that escapes my awareness, because they are inside of their body, not me. They can feel if a muscle is weak even when I can't. So, I believe an experienced muscle tester combined with an experienced subject make for an accurate reading. jim Price wrote: > You certainly have a " bootcamp " attitude that might spur some like myself to toughen up my approach to health. Thanks for showing me that I'm a wimp in some ways... The truth hurts, but not as much as poor health. > jp ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Dear Jim, Well said! Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH Re: liver cleansing > Sonny, > > First, it is very important that when you take herbs and things (or put > anything in your mouth) that they NOT be encapsulated! In the case of > cayenne, for example, 90% of its benefit is lost by eating it in > capsules, according to Dr. Schulze. There are, I believe, two sets of > tonsils & one of adenoids in the throat. They are sensors. Everything we > consume, even breathe, is supposed to pass them so the brain can get a > head start on what will arrive soon in the stomach. > > Next, I have said the following before, and have been taken the wrong > way. So, I'm saying up front that I don't mean what I am about to say in > a nasty or sarcastic way. This is just the basic facts, stated > differently: > > You spent a lifetime happily stuffing poisons of all kinds in your body, > eating dead food that has been processed one way or another til it no > longer can be called nutrition, exhausting a lifetime's supply of cell > enzymes, then ignoring the body's tell-tale signs that all was not well. > Now, to clean out some of the accumulated toxic wastes, you have to > drink something that tastes bad! My goodness, you mean they don't have > vanilla flavored liver flushes yet?!? ;-) > > I have been cleaning out, sometimes slowly, one way or another, for > almost two years. I have swallowed tablespoons of chalk (called Homozon) > til I almost liked it, glasses of epsom salts (THE worst taste yet!), > rashes all over my body (my lips are currently burning and peeling from > a cleansing reaction to ozone that Saul says he sees in former cigarette > smokers). > > I have gone weeks when my throat was an open wound, oozing a yellowed > lymph that crystallized in amber crystals that would then crust off my > skin. During this time I couldn't wear a shirt, because the rubbing on > the tops of my shoulders would spreasd the rash there. This sort of > thing has happened every time I treat myself with ozone. And, I am NOT > complaining, because I WAS THE ONE WHO PUT THE POISONS THERE! > > My point is this: Cleaning out is not pretty! The body complains much > louder when getting the poisons out than it did taking them in, or it > seems that way sometimes. But, if someone is in a hurry to clean out -- > as I am -- then, one simply has to tough it out! It is almost a miracle > that you can clean your liver/gall bladder out without surgery! Stop > wondering if you can substitute something better-tasting, and ask > instead if there is something else that WORKS BETTER, not tastes better! > > Otherwise, IMO, you are fooling yourself that you have a chance to solve > your problems wholistically, because that requires cleaning out old > poisons, and liver cleansing is just the first step. Anyone who needs > that, is almost guaranteed to also need a kidney and colon cleansing. > These simply are NOT vanilla-flavored enterprises, and rare is the > person who will complete them, IMO, if they begin with, " This tastes > bad! " > > Start slow, by all means! Go slow, definitely! But, do what is most > effective, not what is most pleasing. Doing that which is most pleasing > is the behavior that got you to needing a cleanout in the first place. > ;-)) > > jim > > > ssukumar@... wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it before and hated > > the taste of the epsom salts (like most people, apparently)? would > > it work to put them into capsules and take several capsules instead? > > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian capsules (i am > > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium phosphate instead of > > the epsom salts. some people claim to have had very good results > > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. saul, perhaps you > > know something of its chemistry inside the body and if it compares to > > the epsom salt? > > > > thank you, > > > > sonny > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2001 Report Share Posted April 12, 2001 Hi Ron, does this work well for you? Homozon put in caps. Laurie Ron Inda wrote: > I just add the Epsom salt to a glass of cold orange > juice. Not a perfect solution but much better than > chilled water and Epsom salt...Ron Inda > > You could crush the Epsom salt and put into a gel/veg > cap. It would be a lot of work but it would not have > any taste since it would not pass over the taste buds, > and would dissolve in the stomach...I do this with > Homozon. > > > > > --- ssukumar@... wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried it > > before and hated > > the taste of the Epsom salts (like most people, > > apparently)? would > > it work to put them into capsules and take several > > capsules instead? > > if so, does anyone know where i could buy vegetarian > > capsules (i am > > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i get? > > > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium > > phosphate instead of > > the Epsom salts. some people claim to have had very > > good results > > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. > > saul, perhaps you > > know something of its chemistry inside the body and > > if it compares to > > the Epsom salt? > > > > thank you, > > > > sonny > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 Yes...For me it is the only way to ingest it. Taking it mixed in water gave me a reaction that would have " gagged a maggot " . It was unpleasant. Filling the caps is quick. I use a thin bladed knife, dampen the blade (one side) with either water or olive oil, this allows a sufficient amount of homozon to stick on the blade. Then I tip the can insert the blade, take out the homozon and fill the cap. After ingesting the caps drink lemon juice or vinegar then rinse your mouth with water. I thought filling the caps would be time consuming...it isn't and it isn't messy to do this...Ron Inda --- laurie kerr <laurker@...> wrote: > Hi Ron, does this work well for you? Homozon put in > caps. > Laurie > > Ron Inda wrote: > > > I just add the Epsom salt to a glass of cold > orange > > juice. Not a perfect solution but much better than > > chilled water and Epsom salt...Ron Inda > > > > You could crush the Epsom salt and put into a > gel/veg > > cap. It would be a lot of work but it would not > have > > any taste since it would not pass over the taste > buds, > > and would dissolve in the stomach...I do this with > > Homozon. > > > > > > > > > > --- ssukumar@... wrote: > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > i would like to do a liver cleanse but i tried > it > > > before and hated > > > the taste of the Epsom salts (like most people, > > > apparently)? would > > > it work to put them into capsules and take > several > > > capsules instead? > > > if so, does anyone know where i could buy > vegetarian > > > capsules (i am > > > vegan) cheaply? what size capsules should i > get? > > > > > > i have also seen some mention of using disodium > > > phosphate instead of > > > the Epsom salts. some people claim to have had > very > > > good results > > > with it and say it was easier on their stomach. > > > saul, perhaps you > > > know something of its chemistry inside the body > and > > > if it compares to > > > the Epsom salt? > > > > > > thank you, > > > > > > sonny > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 We NEED drill instructors when it comes to health, particularly cleansing and retracing reactions, so that was a compliment, Jim. Dr. Schultz sure lays it on the line too. The biggest frustration any doctor has is complacency and lack of follow-through by patients. I want to sell out and quit sometimes due to patients like that. I've been mildly miserable too this week. In addition to my Mom (at 79) being diagnosed with Lupus, and me being diagnosed with diabetes, I have come down with poison ivy again. The Zanfel I'm using has helped the itching, thankfully. It's been quite a rollercoaster ride lately. jp , You are probably right. I do sound a bit like a Drill Instructor, don't I? I've been mildly miserable for the last week because my latest ozone reaction was healing nicely, much sooner than expected. I took it as a sign that the reactions I am getting seem to be continually lessening, which I hope means that they are coming toward their end, where I will be clean enough to enjoy the sauna -- which is arriving soon! But, I tried putting on some soothing ointment and it flared up AGAIN! A word of warning to anyone having rashes from cleansing reactions: Don't do ANYTHING to them! LEAVE THEM ALONE! Anything you do will slow healing. Suffer in silence. I don't unencapsulate everything I take, just ones I feel should be. I don't think acidophilus is a shock to the stomach or body, or that the body needs preparation for them, so I take them in a cap. I have changed over a lot of things from pills to powders, though. But, I have cut back so much on supplements period, that there are only a few I take now. But, if the brain needs to prepare for the arrival of something, swallowing it is the best way to do that. With a combination of acupressure & muscle testing I can prove to anyone in 15 minutes that their brain can recognize substances in a bottle they are holding, or a pill, etc. As soon as anything gets within the " kirlian, " or aetherial aura, about an inch from the skin, the brain already knows what it is & whether or not it wants it. But, the swallowing thing seems to be another threshhold of awareness for the brain. I believe these awarenesses are a layered sort of thing, directional as though the flow is " energetically ducted, " from less to more. As for some people's beliefs about muscle testing, I teach the people I work with to tell me if they notice something that escapes my awareness, because they are inside of their body, not me. They can feel if a muscle is weak even when I can't. So, I believe an experienced muscle tester combined with an experienced subject make for an accurate reading. jim Price wrote: > You certainly have a " bootcamp " attitude that might spur some like myself to toughen up my approach to health. Thanks for showing me that I'm a wimp in some ways... The truth hurts, but not as much as poor health. > jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 , I have been trying for ten years to find the name again of a plant that neutralizes poison ivy/oak. When I originally read about it I thought I would hear more about it, but nada. The explanation was that the poison that irritates the skin is an oil and this is why it is spread by hand washing, etc, because soap cuts the oil and distributes it. But, any solvent that cuts the poison & breaks it down makes the problem go away. There are a coupla solvents that work for this, but their names are what I am trying to remember. Don't they have stuff in the drug store now that stops posion ivy? I don't get it, so I never looked too closely, but I saw a product last sumer that claimed to stop poison ivy in its tracks. Have you looked in the last 2-3 years? For your mom's lupus - isn't the ozone sauna good for that? jim Price wrote: > > We NEED drill instructors when it comes to health, particularly cleansing and retracing reactions, so that was a compliment, Jim. Dr. Schultz sure lays it on the line too. The biggest frustration any doctor has is complacency and lack of follow-through by patients. I want to sell out and quit sometimes due to patients like that. I've been mildly miserable too this week. In addition to my Mom (at 79) being diagnosed with Lupus, and me being diagnosed with diabetes, I have come down with poison ivy again. The Zanfel I'm using has helped the itching, thankfully. It's been quite a rollercoaster ride lately. > jp ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 Jim, I live in Mid-Texas; the poison ivy capital of the world. We would wash every hour and never had a problem. When we did, we'd use Chigger - X, a cream in a small round tub with red printing. No more itch. Obie. Re: liver cleansing > , > > I have been trying for ten years to find the name again of a plant that > neutralizes poison ivy/oak. When I originally read about it I thought I > would hear more about it, but nada. The explanation was that the poison > that irritates the skin is an oil and this is why it is spread by hand > washing, etc, because soap cuts the oil and distributes it. > > But, any solvent that cuts the poison & breaks it down makes the problem > go away. There are a coupla solvents that work for this, but their names > are what I am trying to remember. > > Don't they have stuff in the drug store now that stops posion ivy? I > don't get it, so I never looked too closely, but I saw a product last > sumer that claimed to stop poison ivy in its tracks. Have you looked in > the last 2-3 years? > > For your mom's lupus - isn't the ozone sauna good for that? > > jim > > Price wrote: > > > > We NEED drill instructors when it comes to health, particularly cleansing and retracing reactions, so that was a compliment, Jim. Dr. Schultz sure lays it on the line too. The biggest frustration any doctor has is complacency and lack of follow-through by patients. I want to sell out and quit sometimes due to patients like that. I've been mildly miserable too this week. In addition to my Mom (at 79) being diagnosed with Lupus, and me being diagnosed with diabetes, I have come down with poison ivy again. The Zanfel I'm using has helped the itching, thankfully. It's been quite a rollercoaster ride lately. > > jp > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 Jim, I saw Jewelweed soap and Napthol soap on the net. The Zanfel was a life-saver for my wife last summer. I literally ordered it at 4 a.m. one night, desperate to find something to help her. In addition, she had a systemic poison sumac and it almost killed her because she couldn't breathe. I got a prescription for Elocon brand of mometason furoate cream which was recommended by the pharmacist as very good ivy, and the hand is better, but I got that " feeling " now in other places on my body. I'm also taking 416's (protease) and 3's (amylase) enzymes. THe problem is that we've been getting it every year, and so we're sensitized to that noxious weed. Dang these southern yards. Mom was taking saunas, and I think it will help her Lupus. She is doing pretty good now, mainly just fatigued, but when she had her spell with it, she had spent the day outside in the sun, and that really put her down for two weeks with pain in the hands and knees. That's when we discovered it. I think she is doing as good as she is because she took good supplements, but we couldn't get her to eat right. She's making an effort to eat right now and pacing herself more. jp Re: liver cleansing , I have been trying for ten years to find the name again of a plant that neutralizes poison ivy/oak. When I originally read about it I thought I would hear more about it, but nada. The explanation was that the poison that irritates the skin is an oil and this is why it is spread by hand washing, etc, because soap cuts the oil and distributes it. But, any solvent that cuts the poison & breaks it down makes the problem go away. There are a coupla solvents that work for this, but their names are what I am trying to remember. Don't they have stuff in the drug store now that stops posion ivy? I don't get it, so I never looked too closely, but I saw a product last sumer that claimed to stop poison ivy in its tracks. Have you looked in the last 2-3 years? For your mom's lupus - isn't the ozone sauna good for that? jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 In a message dated 04/13/2001 10:25:10 AM Central Daylight Time, jlambert@... writes: << But, any solvent that cuts the poison & breaks it down makes the problem go away. There are a coupla solvents that work for this, but their names are what I am trying to remember. Don't they have stuff in the drug store now that stops posion ivy? I don't get it, so I never looked too closely, but I saw a product last sumer that claimed to stop poison ivy in its tracks. Have you looked in the last 2-3 years? For your mom's lupus - isn't the ozone sauna good for that? jim >> ____________________ My neighbor came over one day and she had such a case of this stuff I thought she should be in the hospital. We coated it with Shaklee Basic H and gave her a jar to take home. Saw her again in a few days and it was gone. This lady contacted this plague every time she took a walk in the woods. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 jOHN, I'm glad she's doing better. My mom is much better from her fall. She's past the cranky stage & is just depressed at having to start that uphill climb again. While she was on her back for two weeks she got so weak she even started eating my raw hamburger once a day, complete with my 4 alarm tar-tar sauce. Now that she's up and about again, she is stil eating it because when she was weak she could feel the strength it gave her. I recommend it to anyone convalescing from a weakened state. But, from what you say I don't think your mom would go for it this week. ;-) jim Price wrote: > > Jim, > > Mom was taking saunas, and I think it will help her Lupus. She is doing pretty good now, mainly just fatigued, but when she had her spell with it, she had spent the day outside in the sun, and that really put her down for two weeks with pain in the hands and knees. That's when we discovered it. I think she is doing as good as she is because she took good supplements, but we couldn't get her to eat right. She's making an effort to eat right now and pacing herself more. > jp ----- carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 Jim, (Smiling), no, I seriously doubt that Mom would eat raw hamburger. She wont even drink tea because she doesn't like the taste! It's a wonder I get her to swallow some of the things I give her. Your " 4 alarm sauce " reminds me that I recently gave my brother-in- law a hot sauce calendar, and some of the hot sauce names in it were funny. I remember " 9-1-1 hot sauce " and " kiss your ass goodbye " hot sauce and the like. He puts tobasco on everything. I bet he'd like your sauce. He eats raw jalapenos. Glad your mom is doing better. I hope she makes a full recovery with no complications. jp I'm glad she's doing better. My mom is much better from her fall. She's past the cranky stage & is just depressed at having to start that uphill climb again. While she was on her back for two weeks she got so weak she even started eating my raw hamburger once a day, complete with my 4 alarm tar-tar sauce. Now that she's up and about again, she is stil eating it because when she was weak she could feel the strength it gave her. I recommend it to anyone convalescing from a weakened state. But, from what you say I don't think your mom would go for it this week. ;-) jim Price wrote: > > Jim, > > Mom was taking saunas, and I think it will help her Lupus. She is doing pretty good now, mainly just fatigued, but when she had her spell with it, she had spent the day outside in the sun, and that really put her down for two weeks with pain in the hands and knees. That's when we discovered it. I think she is doing as good as she is because she took good supplements, but we couldn't get her to eat right. She's making an effort to eat right now and pacing herself more. > jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2001 Report Share Posted April 15, 2001 Tecnu does not work as well on poison ivy for me as Zanfel which is available over the net. I do use Tecnu on the bigger areas. Yes, Mom has been getting ozone saunas on a fairly regular basis, not just for Lupus, but for general health. I have one of Saul's set-ups. Great and highly recommended. jp << But, any solvent that cuts the poison & breaks it down makes the problem go away. There are a coupla solvents that work for this, but their names are what I am trying to remember. Don't they have stuff in the drug store now that stops posion ivy? I don't get it, so I never looked too closely, but I saw a product last sumer that claimed to stop poison ivy in its tracks. Have you looked in the last 2-3 years? For your mom's lupus - isn't the ozone sauna good for that? jim >> ____________________ My neighbor came over one day and she had such a case of this stuff I thought she should be in the hospital. We coated it with Shaklee Basic H and gave her a jar to take home. Saw her again in a few days and it was gone. This lady contacted this plague every time she took a walk in the woods. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Thank you for the info on the liver cleanen. I have had such a lovely night and just starting my day. I hope to finish the process off shortly! Man that oder is just amazing to. maybe they can somehow market it in the pet store stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 We have used the Don Croft Zapper and the Hulda mini f g zapper and followed her parasite cleanse to the letter. Beginning in about 1979, we did our first liver flush; vegan for about 7 yrs before resuming the eating of MEAT to bolster my husband's red blood cell count..... because he had rectal cancer. NOW using accupuncture, the VIBE MANY herbal supplements. Looking always for more information related to near infrared lighting and LEDs....................jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 In a message dated 3/18/2004 9:54:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: <<wanted to keep her liver protected by making her take milk thistle...I have heard that this herb protects the liver..>> <<We give him milk thistle, fresh ground and sprinkled onto his food, dandelion leaf fresh in salads or steamed, dandelion root and raw grated beets to support his liver which was severely compromised.>> Deepa, I use a Liver Support that contains artichoke and sarsparilla. Watching Liver enzyme numbers seems to support this. Barb Barbara RN Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water w/ coral calcium to oxygenate & alkalize, Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus Liquid colostrum, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 429-231 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers ************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 --I've also heard simply adding fresh lemon to you water is one of the best thing you can do for the liver. gail - In oxyplus , " CountryGirl " <ruthful@p...> wrote: > On the liver cleansing issue, not everyone is ready to do Hulda's cleanse. of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Alpha Lipoic Acid is very helpful to the liver as well. It's a first rate anti-oxidant that is soluable in both oil and water. Unusual stuff indeed. Art B. ww.alternative-cancer.net Bjohnsonrn@... wrote: In a message dated 3/18/2004 9:54:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: <heard that this herb protects the liver..>> <dandelion leaf fresh in salads or steamed, dandelion root and raw grated beets to support his liver which was severely compromised.>> Deepa, I use a Liver Support that contains artichoke and sarsparilla. Watching Liver enzyme numbers seems to support this. Barb Barbara RN Health and Wellness Consultant ************************************* Energy technology products, help for sleep & discomfort Energized air treatment, w/ 5 filtering technologies Energized Water w/ coral calcium to oxygenate & alkalize, Natural whole food dietary supplements Weighted exercise shoes - increase metabolism, burn calories, tone Rife technology, rebounders, Transfer Factor Plus Liquid colostrum, T-Plus Aloe (pp. 429-231 in " Politics in Healing " ) Natural & non chemical makeup, shampoo, cleansers ************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Hi , I never said I drank lemon water *instead* of doing a liver cleanse. I did a liver cleanse before I got pregnant with my first daughter. Having nursed her ever since and now being pregnant again, a weekend liver cleanse with a fast is not an option. I started drinking the lemon water in an attempt to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth from the pregnancy (literally not figuratively:)) and realised that I might be doing my liver some good at the same time. That is all. I will let someone more knowledgable answer the rest of your questions, I just wanted to clarify. Sherri-Lee Looking for safe and natural health products? http://www.aloeessence.com Liver cleansing Saul and the list, Isn't it possible to be doing a liver cleansing little by little, just drinking a squezed lemon or grape ( or maybe 2-3 ?? ) everyday? I think Sherri-Lee mentioned her drinking lemon with water instead of doing the liver-flush. Recently there was also a posting on " Liver Detox " , which should accomplish the cleansing on a daily basis instead of the more " radical " liver-flushing method. Anyone who tried these different approaches?........any experiences to share? Warmest regards, OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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