Chelation

[Guest guest]

The two most popular chelators are EDTA and IP-6. The EDTA dosage in

commercial products is very low, like .25 gram. The Dr. I knew who

successfull used oral chelation some 30 years ago used 2.5 gms morning on an

empty stomach with orange juice.

DMSA is a mercury chelator and available on the internet. It is somewhat

controversial.

DPMS is another mercury chelator but is prescription only.

Cilantro is a natural, safe chelator, but how much and for how long I don't

know.

I believe alpha lipoic acid has some chelating properties.

All chelators should be taken on an empty stomach, or the chelating agent

will attach itself to the minerals in the food and perhaps not get into the

bloodstream like you want.

For info on chelation with IP-6, go to www.askbillsardi.com I take IP-6.

Loren

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> Which chelation do members of recommend - brand names,

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[Guest guest]

So Loren, you believe that chelation benefits cancer patients?

Do you also believe that alot of cancers are caused by toxic dentistry?

I am just 38 years old, and the only one in my family to ever get cancer. I

have chondrosarcoma in the jawbone, that seems to have started from two

nickel-beryllium post and cores, which caused root resorption in the two

teeth they were in. I also had mandibular tori, which are

osteochondromas....so I had a genetic pre-disposition to chondrosarcoma, and

the nickel-beryllium alloys were my toxic triggers.

Hulda says that glutamine chelates beryllium.

I currently take ALA, NAC and glutamine.

I am considering trying EDTA, and will look into IP-6.

But I had a co$metic denti$t install another nickel-beryllium bridge with

post and core right over the original sarcoma four and a half years ago.

Apparently, she saw it, but her husband is an oncologist and they didn't

want to tell me. Maybe they think conventional cancer therapy is a bunch of

crock? I don't know.....but she broke the bridge on installation, causing

the tumor to leak into my mouth for three years (I had the bridge remove a

year ago) and it spread to my skull base (the cribriform plate/crista

galli).

I believe that toxic dentistry is resonsible for a LOT of cancers, but I

just don't know what to do now in MY situation!

Dana

on 7/22/04 9:14 AM, parksl@... at parksl@... wrote:

The two most popular chelators are EDTA and IP-6. The EDTA dosage in

commercial products is very low, like .25 gram. The Dr. I knew who

successfull used oral chelation some 30 years ago used 2.5 gms morning on an

empty stomach with orange juice.

DMSA is a mercury chelator and available on the internet. It is somewhat

controversial.

DPMS is another mercury chelator but is prescription only.

Cilantro is a natural, safe chelator, but how much and for how long I don't

know.

I believe alpha lipoic acid has some chelating properties.

All chelators should be taken on an empty stomach, or the chelating agent

will attach itself to the minerals in the food and perhaps not get into the

bloodstream like you want.

For info on chelation with IP-6, go to www.askbillsardi.com I take IP-6.

Loren

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> Which chelation do members of recommend - brand names,

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[Guest guest]

I am not qualified to advise you. There are a number of M.D.s who do

chelation, and you should consult them. I don't think IP-6 would hurt but it

preferentially chelates iron, which should be done anyway. Glutamine is

cheap and available, but I think it unwise not to get some expert help, and

Hulda isn't it.

Look for corroboration on the internet from a scientific source, at least

M.D. But I have no reason to believe glutamine can hurt anything, and maybe?

Hulda is right about this.

Loren

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I don;t know what a PICA test other than she was tested for metals because

she exhibits Pica??? My son has high lead as per hair test, it has been

necessary to chelate him because he has Mercury toxicity also. Are you in the

UK?

I would have a hair test done through DDI ( I can give you further info on

this) first and maybe check you home for sources of contamination. Mail me off

this if I have confused you more. _Mum231ASD@..._

(mailto:Mum231ASD@...)

I use DMSA on my son, its non prescription but needs to be used very

carefully

HTH

Mandi in UK

My daughter had a PICA test done and it came back that she had high

level's of lead......she was not given anything for this problem,

but a few months later she had another blood test done and the

levels had dropped. Would it be adviseable to chelate my daughter

for the levels of lead in her system? I am a little worried doing

this on my own because of the risk to the liver & kidney's, but

would it be adviseable to chelate anyway? What is the best method

to chelate the lead out of her system?

[Guest guest]

Yes I do live in the U.K. This test was proformed at the hospital (they take a

blood sample - this test is known as PICA test). She as not had a hair test

done. Yes please, can you give me more info onthe DDI. I am very watchful of

her around the house because she does eat non-food items (cement, dirt, paper

etc).

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

Hi

I don;t know what a PICA test other than she was tested for metals because

she exhibits Pica??? My son has high lead as per hair test, it has been

necessary to chelate him because he has Mercury toxicity also. Are you in the

UK?

I would have a hair test done through DDI ( I can give you further info on

this) first and maybe check you home for sources of contamination. Mail me off

this if I have confused you more. _Mum231ASD@..._

(mailto:Mum231ASD@...)

I use DMSA on my son, its non prescription but needs to be used very

carefully

HTH

Mandi in UK

My daughter had a PICA test done and it came back that she had high

level's of lead......

Would it be adviseable to chelate my daughter

for the levels of lead in her system?

[Guest guest]

> My daughter had a PICA test done and it came back that she had high

> level's of lead......

Consider removing sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

she was not given anything for this problem,

> but a few months later she had another blood test done and the

> levels had dropped. Would it be adviseable to chelate my daughter

> for the levels of lead in her system? I am a little worried doing

> this on my own because of the risk to the liver & kidney's, but

> would it be adviseable to chelate anyway? What is the best method

> to chelate the lead out of her system?

Most people recommend DMSA. Here is my general chelation info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen

This is a good link with heaps of info. I wouldn;t consider chelation until

you have a hair test done and assess the probability. - all explained at this

link

_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

We have chelating with Andy Cutlers low frequent dose protocol for 2 years,

small but sustained gains, increasing more recently 69 rounds completed

now. considering a switch to transdermal DMPS which is quite new, reading lots

of good reports about progress on this. Down side is you need a Dr to Rx it,

unlike DMSA/ALA which you can buy OTC

_http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm_

(http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm)

Look out for Rashid Buttar (Ref TD DMPS) Lang (Sulphur metabolism)

in particular. Great reading linked on that site, keep you out of mischief and

away from the housewrok for hours LOL

Mandi in UK

was also wondering how many of you are chelating. What info can I

get on it? What do you think of it? Thanks Eileen

[Guest guest]

Sorry this is the link for the presentations

_http://www.autismone.org/presentations.cfm_

(http://www.autismone.org/presentations.cfm)

This is a good link with heaps of info. I wouldn;t consider chelation until

you have a hair test done and assess the probability. - all explained at

this

link

_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

We have chelating with Andy Cutlers low frequent dose protocol for 2 years,

small but sustained gains, increasing more recently 69 rounds completed

now. considering a switch to transdermal DMPS which is quite new, reading

lots

of good reports about progress on this. Down side is you need a Dr to Rx

it,

unlike DMSA/ALA which you can buy OTC

_http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm_

(http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm)

Look out for Rashid Buttar (Ref TD DMPS) Lang (Sulphur metabolism)

in particular. Great reading linked on that site, keep you out of mischief

and

away from the housewrok for hours LOL

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

Thank you. You are very kind. I am just starting to look into everything on

this frontier. I guess when we have him tested for Mercury (24 hr urination

test) and it came back negative I just went on with our lives because I was

tired of everything not working for . I have been looking into Pfeiffer

as I have said and I know they do all the tests and we work from there, but

that's February. Getting ahead of myself but I want to go there educated.

Thanks Again Eileen

>From: Mum231ASD@...

>Reply-

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>Subject: Re: Chelation

>Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:07:00 EST

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>Sorry this is the link for the presentations

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>_http://www.autismone.org/presentations.cfm_

>(http://www.autismone.org/presentations.cfm)

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>This is a good link with heaps of info. I wouldn;t consider chelation

>until

>you have a hair test done and assess the probability. - all explained at

>this

>link

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>_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

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>We have chelating with Andy Cutlers low frequent dose protocol for 2

>years,

>small but sustained gains, increasing more recently 69 rounds completed

>now. considering a switch to transdermal DMPS which is quite new, reading

>lots

>of good reports about progress on this. Down side is you need a Dr to Rx

>it,

>unlike DMSA/ALA which you can buy OTC

>

>_http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm_

>(http://www.autismone.org/abstracts.cfm)

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>Look out for Rashid Buttar (Ref TD DMPS) Lang (Sulphur metabolism)

>in particular. Great reading linked on that site, keep you out of mischief

>and

>away from the housewrok for hours LOL

>Mandi in UK

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[Guest guest]

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> I was also wondering how many of you are chelating. What info can I

> get on it? What do you think of it? Thanks Eileen

My kids are fully chelated with ALA. After chelation, they were able

to eat all foods, even without enzymes, and tolerate most supplements.

Here is my general info page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Maureen, I might be taking the chelation route soon, depending on

how my son's lab tests come back. From what I know (although

someone with more experience could tell you much more), is a process

of pulling out the toxic metals from a person's system (for example,

mercury, etc.). It's done in different methods, I think the most

popular for children is rubbing a cream on a fatty part of a child.

My son has PDDNOS on the autistic spectrum and lost language at

approx 14 mo old. We think it may be due to themerisol, a

perservative used in vaccination shots has mercury in it that he

rec'vd around that age. He is beeing lab tested right now to find

out what his levels are. For more information you can search

chelation on the net. Anything related to DAN (defeat autism now)

websites will tell you about it).

Good Luck

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> I see Chelation mentioned often. What is it?

>

> Maureen

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> PS: Thanks to all you mothers on this group. I'm learning a lot

and have a new sense of hope for my sons.

>

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[Guest guest]

The way we refer to it is the removal of toxic heavy metals by giving an

active chelating agent. There is info on how to test your childs hair to assess

toxicity (no mercury does not mean no mercury toxicity) at this link

_http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/)

HTH

Mandi in UK

I see Chelation mentioned often. What is it?

[Guest guest]

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> I see Chelation mentioned often. What is it?

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The removal of heavy metals from the body.

My kids are fully chelated with ALA [alpha lipoic acid].

More info here

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

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> Hi

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> Has anyone used PCA or Bio-chelat for ASD kids 4-6?

Lots of people do. The ones who actually want their kids to get well

dump those and use ALA, optionally with DMSA or DMPS.

> Did you wait until gut issues fixed or not?

Chelation fixes gut issues, wiating doesn't.

> Is there are move in the USA to take up class actions against vaccine

> companies?

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> Mark Brannigan

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[Guest guest]

Most on this list hold Metal Free suspect as well. Most on the list are using

ALA or DMSA or a combination. Please read the FAQs for more info.

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we have been treating our 5 year old Autism/PDD NOS boy with a product called

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Metal Free for chelation, chelating approximately 2 years with no real end in

sight for <BR>

the protocol. Has anybody tried any other chelators such as transdermal DMPS?

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(particularly the protocol developed by Dr. Rashid A. Buttar) or DMSA/ALA How

about <BR>

trying to up the Glutathione levels with B12 and Folinic Acid injections?<BR>

Just fishing for ideas, and perhaps new approaches, as we read in the most

recent <BR>

DAN publication that they hold Metal Free suspect in their evaluations of

effective <BR>

chelators. <BR>

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thanks for any response<BR>

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[Guest guest]

This happened UNDER a drs supervision!! The method you use doesn't know who is

using it, if dangerous, bad things can happen, no matter who is doing the

administration.

I do reccomend that you keep tabs on your child while chelating and do it

under a Drs supervision if possible.

Chelation seems to be an important part of this puzzle. I hate to see people

be unneccesarily afraid. Cautious always...be informed but not terrified.

Robyn

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[Guest guest]

I think the reason is that Andy knows that ALA get the mercury out of the

brain - I think Dana only used ALA on her children.

We are using ALA and TDDMPS.

Kath

[Guest guest]

We did DMSA for 2 months before adding ALA. We have just switched over to

TD-DMPS with the ALA.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

How quickly after starting hcelating wiht another agent (we use tD-dmps) can you

begin ALA? I read somewhere that you should wait about 6 months. Is this

correct?

kahybl@... wrote:I think the reason is that Andy knows that ALA get the

mercury out of the

brain - I think Dana only used ALA on her children.

We are using ALA and TDDMPS.

Kath

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[Guest guest]

What form of ALA is best with TD DMPS?

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> We did DMSA for 2 months before adding ALA. We have just switched

over to

> TD-DMPS with the ALA.

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> Kathy

[Guest guest]

Can I ask you why you switched to DMPS, please? We just started chelation with

DMSA and ALA but am very curious as to how others made their decisions. One

doctor we have consulted with seems to like DMPS. I know Andy isn't crazy about

it or at least it doesn't seem like he is, don't want to put words in his mouth.

I am just curious. Thanks so much.

<hpeto@...> wrote:

What form of ALA is best with TD DMPS?

H

> We did DMSA for 2 months before adding ALA. We have just switched

over to

> TD-DMPS with the ALA.

>

> Kathy

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[Guest guest]

heather,

our DAN! doctor ordered transdermal ALA from a companding pharmacy. angie

<hpeto@...> wrote:

What form of ALA is best with TD DMPS?

H

> We did DMSA for 2 months before adding ALA. We have just switched

over to

> TD-DMPS with the ALA.

>

> Kathy

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[Guest guest]

> Can I ask you why you switched to DMPS, please? We just started

chelation with DMSA and ALA but am very curious as to how others made

their decisions. One doctor we have consulted with seems to like

DMPS. I know Andy isn't crazy about it or at least it doesn't seem

like he is, don't want to put words in his mouth. I am just curious.

Thanks so much.

>

Actually, Andy is " crazy " about ORAL DMPS, as well as oral

DMSA and oral ALA. The TD form is more of an unknown

on the scene.

DMPS is reported to be subjectively less uncomfortable

during chelation " on " time.

As you probably also know, DMPS requires an Rx and is

MUCH more expensive than DMSA.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Thank you Moria for clarifying that! I believe I should always be looking for

more information in case I need to change what I am doing. So far with us the

DMSA and ALA seem to be working. I want to do a couple more rounds and then do

some sort of testing to see what is happening. So far these are being tolerated

well, some yeast but that is just how it goes. I will definitely keep an open

mind about the oral DMPS. I have been concerned about redistribution and am

going to try clay baths at the end of chelation. I am still not as sure about

the internal clay, going to try that first on myself.

Thanks again. I really like to read your posts, always good information!! I am

grateful to all of you for giving me the courage to take this step!!!!

moriamerri <moriam@...> wrote:

> Can I ask you why you switched to DMPS, please? We just started

chelation with DMSA and ALA but am very curious as to how others made

their decisions. One doctor we have consulted with seems to like

DMPS. I know Andy isn't crazy about it or at least it doesn't seem

like he is, don't want to put words in his mouth. I am just curious.

Thanks so much.

>

Actually, Andy is " crazy " about ORAL DMPS, as well as oral

DMSA and oral ALA. The TD form is more of an unknown

on the scene.

DMPS is reported to be subjectively less uncomfortable

during chelation " on " time.

As you probably also know, DMPS requires an Rx and is

MUCH more expensive than DMSA.

good wishes,

Moria

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[Guest guest]

> > Can I ask you why you switched to DMPS, please? We just started

> chelation with DMSA and ALA but am very curious as to how others

made

> their decisions. One doctor we have consulted with seems to like

> DMPS. I know Andy isn't crazy about it or at least it doesn't

seem

> like he is, don't want to put words in his mouth. I am just

curious.

> Thanks so much.

> >

>

>

> Actually, Andy is " crazy " about ORAL DMPS, as well as oral

> DMSA and oral ALA. The TD form is more of an unknown

> on the scene.

>

> DMPS is reported to be subjectively less uncomfortable

> during chelation " on " time.

>

> As you probably also know, DMPS requires an Rx and is

> MUCH more expensive than DMSA.

>

> good wishes,

> Moria