Chelation

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Chelation is a very involved process and there is a lot of information on line

about it.

Whether or not it does what they claim is another story. There are those that

claim it removes heavy metals from our system and apparently it has been long

used and approved by the FDA for people that have Lead in their systems when

done intravenously.

The proponents claim it removes all sorts of heavy metals as well as calcium

from Plaque in arteries making them softer and the plaque flushed away!

When done Intravenously it becomes an expensive protocol because a large amount

of sittings take place as this is done often over an hour each time.

As a result I am trying the sublingual approach. Some of the claims for EDTA

seem to be excessive but that doesn't mean all of them are. There is presently

a 'study' being done by somewhere around 100 hospitals to determine whether or

not this actually does help people with clogged arteries. The study will

probably be completed within a couple of years.

I will have a difficult time accepting study results that tend to disprove that

it helps heart patients because that might mean that hundreds of millions of

dollars will be lost by no longer performing balloon angioplasty or Stent

insertions or even bypass operations.

If chelation does help remove heavy metals it could be a benefit to cancer

patients. What I am doing is low cost and I can only hope it does even some of

the claims I read.

Here are some of the claims:

Heart clogs shrunk by more than half in just 90 days.

Open Heart Surgery Cancelled

Balloon Angioplasty postponed

Lowered BP

Lowered Cholesterol

Went from Angina Victim to Athlete

Arthritis and Diabetes reversed

Leg cramps vanished

Varicose Veins erased

Now, do you see what I say 'excessive claims'?

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

-Joe: Would you be more specific about the sublingual use of this?

Where you purchased it and how much you are using. It sounds like

something everyone over age 30 could benefit from. Would love to

hear more, Frann

-- In , " JCastron " <jcastron1@...> wrote:

>

> Here are some of the claims:

>

> Heart clogs shrunk by more than half in just 90 days.

> Open Heart Surgery Cancelled

> Balloon Angioplasty postponed

> Lowered BP

> Lowered Cholesterol

> Went from Angina Victim to Athlete

> Arthritis and Diabetes reversed

> Leg cramps vanished

> Varicose Veins erased

>

> Now, do you see what I say 'excessive claims'?

>

> Joe C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does she have ANY mercury amalgam dental fillings? If so, they will need to be

removed according to proper protocol before you can chelate.

S S

<p>We have a 7yo girl who is non-verbal. Does anyboy have any

experiance <br>

with chelating a girl this age and condition that they can share? All <br>

feedback is appreciated.<br>

<br>

Jim<br>

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Yes, investigate, definitely -- but I hate to see people scared off of

something because of an incomplete newspaper article.

I thought I was clear that I didn't know the full story about the

actual child who died, as you've quoted me below and I think it shows I

was unclear, but I would guess it wasn't done properly. (And, even a

healthy person can die from a 'safe' procedure.)

All I'm trying to say is that biomedical stuff doesn't need to be

summarily dismissed without proper investigation. Lack of belief is

fine, but discouraging others based on that is just something I hate to

see. I once saw a nasty war where some parents who chelated their kid

were bashed by people who didn't -- who is anyone to tell someone else

they are wrong? Even the doctors have been wrong. It just adds to

division in the autism community.

I don't know that I'll ever chelate, to be perfectly honest. Haven't

gotten to that point yet in the process, and I'm not sure what I'll do

when I do. I just want to be sure people make that decision based on

facts -- talk to doctors, other parents who have tried it, etc...not

newspaper articles, you know?

Donna

Willa Hunt wrote:

Someone responded to my warnings about chelation:

"Chelation, if done properly, can be very safe. Check out some sites

specifically about it for the best ways to do it. I spent the weekend

at

the DAN (Defeat Autism Now) conference and there were many stories of

success. There was only one recent death that I know of, and it was

related to the type of chelation done (I believe it was an uncommon

mode

of treatment, not one that's supposed to be done on kids or something) "

I went and did a little googling. Here's a report from the autopsy

on one child who died:

"In layman's terms, the administration of ethylene diamine

tetra-acetate, commonly known as chelation, resulted in a lack of

oxygen to the brain as well as irreversible heart damage, said

Allegheny County Deputy Coroner Ed Strimlan.

The Allegheny County morgue conducted the autopsy on the child at the

request of County Coroner Bill Young.

"We determined there's a direct correlation between the EDTA and the

lack of oxygen to the brain and the heart muscle damage. It's a total

package, based on the autopsy, the histology [tissue sampling] and the

toxicology [blood sampling]," Mr. Strimlan said."

I then looked up EDTA and it is one of the methods recommended for

chelation

for children with autism.

To repeat what I said originally, *I would investigate very carefully

before choosing to go this route.* Death is not the only risk. You

may indeed be able to reduce risks substantially by choosing a good

practioner and the best method. That's why you want to *investigate*.

Willa

[Guest guest]

You *guess* it was done incorrectly but you don't know that it was at all. I would not guess when it comes to children dying. People should find out what happens and be aware of the full range of injuries so that they can make an informed decision.

As for who is anyone to tell others they are wrong - that's what we do here on this list. If people want to look into it and/or try it, that is fine. But you can't say it's perfectly "safe" to do this when it's not. That is when I pop in to this kind of conversation because we shouldn't mislead people into thinking this is something common or easy or safe. For a different POV - go here and read more about the downside of chelating ---> http://www.chelationwatch.org/

Autism Happens

Re: ( ) chelation

Yes, investigate, definitely -- but I hate to see people scared off of something because of an incomplete newspaper article.I thought I was clear that I didn't know the full story about the actual child who died, as you've quoted me below and I think it shows I was unclear, but I would guess it wasn't done properly. (And, even a healthy person can die from a 'safe' procedure.)All I'm trying to say is that biomedical stuff doesn't need to be summarily dismissed without proper investigation. Lack of belief is fine, but discouraging others based on that is just something I hate to see. I once saw a nasty war where some parents who chelated their kid were bashed by people who didn't -- who is anyone to tell someone else they are wrong? Even the doctors have been wrong. It just adds to division in the autism community.I don't know that I'll ever chelate, to be perfectly honest. Haven't gotten to that point yet in the process, and I'm not sure what I'll do when I do. I just want to be sure people make that decision based on facts -- talk to doctors, other parents who have tried it, etc...not newspaper articles, you know?DonnaWilla Hunt wrote:

Someone responded to my warnings about chelation:"Chelation, if done properly, can be very safe. Check out some sites specifically about it for the best ways to do it. I spent the weekend at the DAN (Defeat Autism Now) conference and there were many stories of success. There was only one recent death that I know of, and it was related to the type of chelation done (I believe it was an uncommon mode of treatment, not one that's supposed to be done on kids or something) "I went and did a little googling. Here's a report from the autopsyon one child who died:"In layman's terms, the administration of ethylene diamine tetra-acetate, commonly known as chelation, resulted in a lack of oxygen to the brain as well as irreversible heart damage, said Allegheny County Deputy Coroner Ed Strimlan.The Allegheny County morgue conducted the autopsy on the child at the request of County Coroner Bill Young."We determined there's a direct correlation between the EDTA and the lack of oxygen to the brain and the heart muscle damage. It's a total package, based on the autopsy, the histology [tissue sampling] and the toxicology [blood sampling]," Mr. Strimlan said."I then looked up EDTA and it is one of the methods recommended for chelationfor children with autism. To repeat what I said originally, *I would investigate very carefullybefore choosing to go this route.* Death is not the only risk. Youmay indeed be able to reduce risks substantially by choosing a goodpractioner and the best method. That's why you want to *investigate*.Willa

[Guest guest]

I have researched chelation alot. The best book I read

alittle technical but excellant is Amalgam Illness: diagnosis and

Treatment. The book it for Doctors or lay person who wants to

chelate.

He tells how to chelate with DMSA. You can order DMSA without a

doctor and make your own med. in a cream form if you want to chelate

on a young child just put it in a carrier like DMSO and viola a

transdermal med! You need to take LA in addition to DMSA to get

metal out of brain tissue. The previous person on thread was right

vit.C, Zinc and Magnesium do act as a chelater just not as effective

as other methods, especially for lead. Chelating agents:

Cilantro, Citrate, Cysteine, DmPS, DMSA, DMSO, EDTA, lipoic acid or

alpha lipoic acid LA, MSM-----all very powerful

I am chelating without a doctor using clay baths for 6 months with my

son and after that I have LA in drop form that I will give him. We

are using other supplements too. The clay baths are a gentle

wonderful form of chelation. The baths are very inexpensive and you

definatly do not need a doctor to do this (DAN doctors on East coast

are starting to use this form of chelation). THe organs do not need

to

be monitored by blood tests with clay, but you do need to supplement

after bath with minerial and relax. I chose not to do DMSA after

going to DAN doc who wanted to use this form, actually it is the

only chelation that he uses...cookie cutter! I chose not to use it

because my son has yeast big time, and DMSA flares up the yeast. I

did not want the constant battle plus it would of been 300 a month

for fancy transdermal DMSA. But if you take it orally 45 insurance

covers it, but your gut pays the price with flare ups. Chelation

really is not scary and you can do it just as good or better than

the DAN doctors if you educate yourself on a method.

If you chose to go to the DAN doctor, remember they usually chose

the most expensive treatments sometimes to benefit their wallets.

Not all Dans are equal, mine told me to keep my son away from

enzymes that his stomach could be digested!! Come on...really, he

believes this myth.. I felt the same way about some of the other

advice. Then another well respected dan doc I went to flat out lied

about some vit.products to promote his own label brand. You need to

watch out for these DAn doctors, just a warning.

>

> > Could someone please post links so I can learn more about

> chelation. Have any of you done this with your ASD child without a

> doctor's supervisor? A young child?

> >

> > Thanks for all your help

> >

> > & 2 1/2 yrs ASD

>

>

> ;

> there is a group on that deals specifically with

> detoxing/chelating kids.

>

> Here is the link:

>

> KidsChelationDetoxGroup/

>

> Good luck,

> Rubby

>

[Guest guest]

What type of clay bath did you use? and what minerls needed replacement after

its use? thank you in advance

pdmissick <kittygirlee@...> wrote: I have researched chelation

alot. The best book I read

alittle technical but excellant is Amalgam Illness: diagnosis and

Treatment. The book it for Doctors or lay person who wants to

chelate.

He tells how to chelate with DMSA. You can order DMSA without a

doctor and make your own med. in a cream form if you want to chelate

on a young child just put it in a carrier like DMSO and viola a

transdermal med! You need to take LA in addition to DMSA to get

metal out of brain tissue. The previous person on thread was right

vit.C, Zinc and Magnesium do act as a chelater just not as effective

as other methods, especially for lead. Chelating agents:

Cilantro, Citrate, Cysteine, DmPS, DMSA, DMSO, EDTA, lipoic acid or

alpha lipoic acid LA, MSM-----all very powerful

I am chelating without a doctor using clay baths for 6 months with my

son and after that I have LA in drop form that I will give him. We

are using other supplements too. The clay baths are a gentle

wonderful form of chelation. The baths are very inexpensive and you

definatly do not need a doctor to do this (DAN doctors on East coast

are starting to use this form of chelation). THe organs do not need

to

be monitored by blood tests with clay, but you do need to supplement

after bath with minerial and relax. I chose not to do DMSA after

going to DAN doc who wanted to use this form, actually it is the

only chelation that he uses...cookie cutter! I chose not to use it

because my son has yeast big time, and DMSA flares up the yeast. I

did not want the constant battle plus it would of been 300 a month

for fancy transdermal DMSA. But if you take it orally 45 insurance

covers it, but your gut pays the price with flare ups. Chelation

really is not scary and you can do it just as good or better than

the DAN doctors if you educate yourself on a method.

If you chose to go to the DAN doctor, remember they usually chose

the most expensive treatments sometimes to benefit their wallets.

Not all Dans are equal, mine told me to keep my son away from

enzymes that his stomach could be digested!! Come on...really, he

believes this myth.. I felt the same way about some of the other

advice. Then another well respected dan doc I went to flat out lied

about some vit.products to promote his own label brand. You need to

watch out for these DAn doctors, just a warning.

>

> > Could someone please post links so I can learn more about

> chelation. Have any of you done this with your ASD child without a

> doctor's supervisor? A young child?

> >

> > Thanks for all your help

> >

> > & 2 1/2 yrs ASD

>

>

> ;

> there is a group on that deals specifically with

> detoxing/chelating kids.

>

> Here is the link:

>

> KidsChelationDetoxGroup/

>

> Good luck,

> Rubby

>

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[Guest guest]

Group on called chelatingkids2 could be helpful to check out ...

-BJ

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[Guest guest]

>

> has anydone it at home with there kids?

My kids are fully chelated with ALA. I am about half-way thru with

ALA chelation for myself.

>>and did it help them?

Definitely. It eliminated their food issues and allowed them to

tolerate the supplements they required for recovery.

>>is it safe?

Yes, depending on the chelator and protocol you use.

> my dr.nurse said it would hurt them and make there heart stop.

If you use the wrong chelator, this can happen.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Very informative post!!! Well, I have Aluminium overload. What is the best way

to get Al out of the system?

Last but not the least how do you take clay baths???

Thanks in advance!!!

Sunny

pdmissick <kittygirlee@...> wrote:

I have researched chelation alot. The best book I read

alittle technical but excellant is Amalgam Illness: diagnosis and

Treatment. The book it for Doctors or lay person who wants to

chelate.

He tells how to chelate with DMSA. You can order DMSA without a

doctor and make your own med. in a cream form if you want to chelate

on a young child just put it in a carrier like DMSO and viola a

transdermal med! You need to take LA in addition to DMSA to get

metal out of brain tissue. The previous person on thread was right

vit.C, Zinc and Magnesium do act as a chelater just not as effective

as other methods, especially for lead. Chelating agents:

Cilantro, Citrate, Cysteine, DmPS, DMSA, DMSO, EDTA, lipoic acid or

alpha lipoic acid LA, MSM-----all very powerful

I am chelating without a doctor using clay baths for 6 months with my

son and after that I have LA in drop form that I will give him. We

are using other supplements too. The clay baths are a gentle

wonderful form of chelation. The baths are very inexpensive and you

definatly do not need a doctor to do this (DAN doctors on East coast

are starting to use this form of chelation). THe organs do not need

to

be monitored by blood tests with clay, but you do need to supplement

after bath with minerial and relax. I chose not to do DMSA after

going to DAN doc who wanted to use this form, actually it is the

only chelation that he uses...cookie cutter! I chose not to use it

because my son has yeast big time, and DMSA flares up the yeast. I

did not want the constant battle plus it would of been 300 a month

for fancy transdermal DMSA. But if you take it orally 45 insurance

covers it, but your gut pays the price with flare ups. Chelation

really is not scary and you can do it just as good or better than

the DAN doctors if you educate yourself on a method.

If you chose to go to the DAN doctor, remember they usually chose

the most expensive treatments sometimes to benefit their wallets.

Not all Dans are equal, mine told me to keep my son away from

enzymes that his stomach could be digested!! Come on...really, he

believes this myth.. I felt the same way about some of the other

advice. Then another well respected dan doc I went to flat out lied

about some vit.products to promote his own label brand. You need to

watch out for these DAn doctors, just a warning.

>

> > Could someone please post links so I can learn more about

> chelation. Have any of you done this with your ASD child without a

> doctor's supervisor? A young child?

> >

> > Thanks for all your help

> >

> > & 2 1/2 yrs ASD

>

>

> ;

> there is a group on that deals specifically with

> detoxing/chelating kids.

>

> Here is the link:

>

> KidsChelationDetoxGroup/

>

> Good luck,

> Rubby

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Very informative post!!! Well, I have Aluminium overload. What is

the best way to get Al out of the system?

Remove sources of current exposures. ALA can also help.

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> If anyone out there has benefited from the ALA only protocol, please

reply and state the details of the protocol used, length of time and

results. Please!!!

I chelated all four of my kids with ALA. I am now chelating myself,

also with ALA.

It took 2-1/4 years for my kids. I am currently at 1-1/2 years for

myself.

I did not do the protocol recommended on this message board, I gave

the ALA 3x per day. I started at low dose and worked up.

At the end of the protocol, my kids tolerated most foods [some foods

required certain supplements before they were tolerated] and most

supplements. It was the supplements that caused the primary benefit

for my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Could you say what dose of ALA you were using/ and what times of day/ with food?

Thanks

Ange

[ ] Re: chelation

>

> If anyone out there has benefited from the ALA only protocol, please

reply and state the details of the protocol used, length of time and

results. Please!!!

I chelated all four of my kids with ALA. I am now chelating myself,

also with ALA.

It took 2-1/4 years for my kids. I am currently at 1-1/2 years for

myself.

I did not do the protocol recommended on this message board, I gave

the ALA 3x per day. I started at low dose and worked up.

At the end of the protocol, my kids tolerated most foods [some foods

required certain supplements before they were tolerated] and most

supplements. It was the supplements that caused the primary benefit

for my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Could you say what dose of ALA you were using/ and what times of

day/ with food?

I gave ALA 3x per day [which is not the protocol recommended by most

people here]. I started my older kids with 25mg per dose, and my

younger kids with half that. I usually gave it with meals, but I also

gave it on an empty stomach sometimes. It did not seem to matter

either way. I take ALA myself now, and I can't tell a difference

whether it is with or without food.

Dana

[Guest guest]

/

>

> I'm a bit confused a bout chelation what is the best method etc.

>

> I have read that DMSA/DMPS is needed first, and then ALA to cross the

> blood brain barrier. Is it possible to do ALA alone? What is the

> safest way to do it? What tests should be done before starting? How

> long dos the whole process take?

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm a bit confused a bout chelation what is the best method etc.

> I have read that DMSA/DMPS is needed first, and then ALA to cross the

> blood brain barrier. Is it possible to do ALA alone?

I chelated all four of my kids with just ALA alone. I am about

half-way thru my own chelation, also with ALA alone.

>> What is the

> safest way to do it?

In my opinion, ALA.

>> What tests should be done before starting?

You can do a hair test. I chose to do no testing at all.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

>> How

> long dos the whole process take?

For my kids, approx 100 rounds, 2-1/4 years.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Welcome Heidi.

I highly recommend you read the files. There is a wealth of information

nicely put together there. I use ALA following Andy's protocol (we only done

one round)l. This group has been so helpful, but the information in the

files has been indispensable.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, please let me know how you are going and if you are having any positive

results,i'll keep in touch and do the same.Heidi ps what do mean by 'files'?

RE: [ ] chelation

Welcome Heidi.

I highly recommend you read the files. There is a wealth of information

nicely put together there. I use ALA following Andy's protocol (we only done

one round)l. This group has been so helpful, but the information in the

files has been indispensable.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

The files in the archives; when you log in you can go to " files " then read

up. I found answers to many of my questions by reading then. Like how to

safely follow Andy's protocol, supplements needed and doses, where to buy

chelators, etc.

Good luck.

HTH

Leo

[Guest guest]

Link to files.

/files/

Lots of good info there. It is also where people post their hair test

results for others to help them figure out.

P.

Heidi Hamilton wrote:

>

> Thanks, please let me know how you are going and if you are having any

> positive results,i'll keep in touch and do the same.Heidi ps what do

> mean by 'files'?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ! I will definately have a look at the files. Good luck to you and

your family. Heidi

Re: [ ] chelation

Link to files.

http://health. groups.. com/group/ / files/

Lots of good info there. It is also where people post their hair test

results for others to help them figure out.

P.

Heidi Hamilton wrote:

>

> Thanks, please let me know how you are going and if you are having any

> positive results,i'll keep in touch and do the same.Heidi ps what do

> mean by 'files'?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information Leo! Heidi

RE: [ ] chelation

The files in the archives; when you log in you can go to " files " then read

up. I found answers to many of my questions by reading then. Like how to

safely follow Andy's protocol, supplements needed and doses, where to buy

chelators, etc.

Good luck.

HTH

Leo

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi.

Yes, do read the files section.

I also thought I'd just comment that the " he may get worse before he gets

better " can often be a way of doctors covering up the fact that they are

injuring your child. The fact is, that you child should get better - bottom

line. If he doesn't, there is something wrong. True, there may be some

symptoms stirred up by chelation, but they should be managable (if not, you want

to chelate less of decrease the time between dosing and increase supportive

therapies), and should decrease as you progress from round to round.

So, don't be suckered into this thing about your kid getting worse.

Dave.

Posted by: " heidihamilton88 " heidihamilton88@... heidihamilton88

Date: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:48 am ((PDT))

Hi im new to this this group and have a 4year old boy with moderate

autism, lots of stimming. Im starting chelation next week and am very

nervous, my boy is such agreat sleeper and im worried about disturbing

his sleeping patterns. Has anyone had any great sucess with mercury

chelation using dmsa and ala? I would love to hear some of your

stories. Our DAN dr said he might get worse before he gets better, has

anyone noticed this. Im from Melbourne Australia and I can tell you

that the DAN protocol is really gaining momentum here and parents are

so excited and hopeful of big improvements for their children, Thanks

so much!Hope to here from some of you soon.Heidi

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dave, I'll definately keep that in mind and will read the files section,

also keep you posted on our progress. Heidi

[ ] Re: chelation

Hi Heidi.

Yes, do read the files section.

I also thought I'd just comment that the " he may get worse before he gets

better " can often be a way of doctors covering up the fact that they are

injuring your child. The fact is, that you child should get better - bottom

line. If he doesn't, there is something wrong. True, there may be some symptoms

stirred up by chelation, but they should be managable (if not, you want to

chelate less of decrease the time between dosing and increase supportive

therapies), and should decrease as you progress from round to round.

So, don't be suckered into this thing about your kid getting worse.

Dave.

Posted by: " heidihamilton88 " heidihamilton88. au heidihamilton88

Date: Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:48 am ((PDT))

Hi im new to this this group and have a 4year old boy with moderate

autism, lots of stimming. Im starting chelation next week and am very

nervous, my boy is such agreat sleeper and im worried about disturbing

his sleeping patterns. Has anyone had any great sucess with mercury

chelation using dmsa and ala? I would love to hear some of your

stories. Our DAN dr said he might get worse before he gets better, has

anyone noticed this. Im from Melbourne Australia and I can tell you

that the DAN protocol is really gaining momentum here and parents are

so excited and hopeful of big improvements for their children, Thanks

so much!Hope to here from some of you soon.Heidi

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[Guest guest]

I've only personally seen regression from insane dosing protocols.

How much does your son weigh?

What dose did you give?

How often did you give the dose?

What else are you giving?

Are you certain there is no ongoing exposure to heavy metals?

Is it a yeast flare up you're seeing?

kamstone6 wrote:

>

> I have recently finished with my 7 yo son's first oral DMSA 3 day run.

> He is into everyting. This is not the norm for him. His behavior

> reminds me of when he was 3 yo. Have any of you seen regression with

> chelation? If so how long does it last? When should I see some

> inprovement?

> Thanks,

> Kelley

>

>