Re: where do I begin?

February 6, 2002

Begin by reading Gloria Gilbere's book, " I Was Poisoned by My Body...I

have a Gut Feeling You Could Be Too. "

I came across this book quite by accident (are there really any

accidents???) and found it had great information in it that explains a lot of

the symptoms many people are dealing with. You might check your local

library...if they do not have it, they can network with many other libraries

to find you a copy for loan. God Bless!

February 6, 2002

<<<I am 26 years old and I started having problems when I was 20.

It started out as real bad acne and moved into digestive problems.

doctor's diagnosing me with every imaginable syndrome.

removed my gallbladder (@ 23 yrs.)

I am constantly nauseated, bloated, cannot flatulate (instead it blows up inside

my intestines), I have severe spasms out of the blue.

diagnosed me with IBS and have tested me for fibromyalgia.

I can't digest a thing.

I have 1 BM a day (maybe) and I can go from constipation to really bad

diarhhea.>>>>

That sure was a lot in one paragraph but I think I've got some idea of what

you've been dealing with for the past number of years.

Your situation sounds a lot like a combination of things. The fact that the

doctors aren't able to acquire one specific thing as the syndrome it then

becomes all the more likely that the cause is something that mimics a variety of

problems, including arthritis. From what you've described it sounds to me like a

problem with a parasite, and in particular the candida albican, which is suppose

to be maintained by the other intestinal flora.

I'm going on your statements regarding the digestive capacity of your food and

the flatulence you're having to endure from the inside. My guess is that you've

been give a lot of antibiotics in the past and that has allowed the candida to

get a stronger hold before the other flora got replenished.

I would say that the first things your going to have to do is to get mentally

prepared for the process of getting rid of this over abundance of candida

albican. It ain't easy to endure the type of discomfort and pain it can cause

the body, especially the joints, and sugar cravings.

I would simply suggest you start eating a diet void of milk products,

hydrogenated fat, and saturated animal fats (like that which will coagulate,

such as bacon grease in a pan). Avoiding sugars is a must, along with sugar

substitutes that contain aspartame. Avoiding aspartame is a must, an absolute

must for good health.

IF you start doing this you'll probably find yourself quite uncomfortable even

though your actual energy level will improve. It's the improvement that can

become deceptive to the mind and a fall back into the use of fats and sugars can

once again catch you by surprise. However, it you're off deep fried foods for a

least a week you'll very likely find that greasy fat smells awful and tastes

greasy.

Basically you're going to be learning a new way to eat and to deal with the

digestion you should start taking enzymes before you eat. Along with enzymes you

should also take a supplement to regain the flora needed in the intestines. This

can be accomplished by taking tablets or pills and by eating plain yogurt. In

fact you can actually use yogurt in an enema to work directly in the colon area.

If you decide to attempt enemas you don't have to start right off the bat

thinking you have to get to doing a high enema as soon as possible, just doing a

fleet type enema will get things moving, and adding yogurt to that will help

quite a bit too.

Eating will be very important to you too. You will want to make sure to

thoroughly chew the food you eat. The teeth are the best portable juicer you

have so by chewing the food very thoroughly you are going to reap the best you

can from its energy contained within the cellular structure. Eating more often

during the day will go a long way towards a recovery of the energy that you've

lost.

You'll need to be eating a high fiber diet just to help the liver do its job of

getting out the various toxins of which will occur because of dieing yeast. The

liver will be a prime area of consideration, especially considering that you're

void of a gallbladder to store needed fat emulsifying bile. However, eating a

lower fat diet you'll really realize an improvement within a few short days and

then over the next couple of weeks it'll all come together so that your energy

will improve.

However, don't think that fats aren't something to be totally avoided. Your body

needs essential fatty acids and this is one thing you will be getting from

eating vegetables and fruit (Don't worry about the sugars in fruit as something

to avoid at this time). Supplementing with a lecithin and taurine will help the

liver produce a bile that will be able to hold more of the cholesterol and other

fats in suspension to be absorbed by the insoluble fiber you'll be getting from

eating a diet high in fiber.

By avoiding all milk products, excepting yogurt, you're going to see a major

reduction in the IBS problem too. I know just what you're talking about

regarding the a Charlie horse of the gut as I've also suffered with IBS but have

maintained great control over it by my avoiding milk products.

Dale

February 6, 2002

----- Original Message -----

I am brand spanking new to this site and it has come after 6 long

years of not knowing what is going on with me. I have read some of

the previous posts and I am leaving it in your educated and

experienced hands to help me decide where I should begin.

Hey there.

Wow, sounds like a not fun journey. I am had some experience with extreme ill

health myself and so I can understand your passion.

One really important thing I want to say is that the human body is phenomenal at

repairing itself, if you give it half a chance. And often it is simpler than we

think. The hardest part sometimes, can just be being disciplined enough to give

it the simple things it wants. Like a clean bowel and some good food and clean

water and sunshine and a physical enviroment that is simple and not loaded with

toxins.

That being said, it does sound, as Dale said, like you had something parasitic

that started you down this path. Ill health doesn't just suddenly happen for no

reason. The human body doesn't malfunction for no reason. There is always a

cause.

When it comes to digestion, parasites are a good first place to look. As well

as candida. And then heavy metals or other enviromental toxic exposures which

wreak havoc on the digestive system.

To have your gall bladder out at any age is a tragedy and at such a young age is

just obscene.

Well, basically I agree with everything Dale said, and just want to add that you

might want to read up on drinking adequate amounts of clean water.

You might also check the archives for a product called homozon, and read the

list files on that.

And even if you don't believe in God, you might ask for His help, because He can

save you alot of time and $ chasing down good ideas that are not the right plan

for you.

I would start with the basics, good water, good food, good sunshine, stress

releasing activities, and the things Dales suggested and then go from there.

Don't start with the tricky stuff, without laying the foundation.

God speed you on your quest for health.

Donna

Beloved, I pray above all things that you might prosper and be in good health,

even as your sould prospers. __The Bible

February 7, 2002

Sounds like you have been through allot. Have you thought you might

be suffering from Candida? It can plague you all over. Also what

kind of doctors have you been seeing? Have you tried visiting a

Doctor of Osteopathy medicine? I would look for a doctor that helps

with natural healing, it doesn't have to be a naturalpathic doctor,

but this may help. The regular family doctors or basic M.D.'s are

only help with giving you a pill for your symptoms or cutting things

out. This is because they never recieved training otherwise.

Your digestion should be the first matter of consern. If you discuss

your problem with a good doctor, and one who is familar with canida,

they can treat the fungus as well as any digestive enzymes, aminos

and minerals you may need supplemented for. Are you taking enzymes,

and did it help?

Liz D

> I am brand spanking new to this site and it has come after 6 long

> years of not knowing what is going on with me. I have read some of

> the previous posts and I am leaving it in your educated and

> experienced hands to help me decide where I should begin. I am 26

> years old and I started having problems when I was 20. It started

> out as real bad acne and moved into digestive problems. My skin

has

> dramatically improved however I am plagued by weight gain, little

to

> no energy and doctor's diagnosing me with every imaginable

syndrome.

> They have removed my gallbladder (@ 23 yrs.) which did help. I can

> eat diary products (with the exception of actually drinking milk

> which causes such horrible cramps) however I have back pain lower

and

> mid, joint pain, my metabolism is completly shot (I was very

athletic

> prior to all this, but who has the energy to move?) I am constantly

> nauseated, bloated, cannot flatulate (instead it blows up inside my

> intestines), I have severe spasms out of the blue. Despite me

> eliminating and introducing foods back into my diet, I cannot pin

any

> one particular item. What bother's me today is fine tomorrow. They

> have diagnosed me with IBS and have tested me for fibromyalgia. Oh

> and I can't digest a thing. I have 1 BM a day (maybe) and I can go

> from constipation to really bad diarhhea. Ever had a charlie horse

> in your abdomen? It kills. I can go on forever, but for now I

want

> to cleanse my whole digestive tract and for once get rid of my

> malaise. Someone please help before I started ranting again! :-)

February 7, 2002

Dale,

Thank you for your comments. I have considered Candida as the slew

of doctors from (MD's and DO's) have not helped. I stick to a high

fiber diet and fatty or fried foods was something that never was a

part of my diet prior to this. You spoke of ridding the body of the

over abundance of candida. What is the best way to do this? I do

eat a considerably healthy diet which consists of mostly fruits and

vegetables although the sugar cravings do get the best of me at

times.

I seem to be already doing most of what you suggest, however I cannot

seem to jumpstart my metabolism and my energy level is still

considerably low for the exercise and healthy diet that I do eat.

Any further suggestions?

>

> That sure was a lot in one paragraph but I think I've got some idea

of what you've been dealing with for the past number of years.

>

> Your situation sounds a lot like a combination of things. The fact

that the doctors aren't able to acquire one specific thing as the

syndrome it then becomes all the more likely that the cause is

something that mimics a variety of problems, including arthritis.

From what you've described it sounds to me like a problem with a

parasite, and in particular the candida albican, which is suppose to

be maintained by the other intestinal flora.

>

> I'm going on your statements regarding the digestive capacity of

your food and the flatulence you're having to endure from the inside.

My guess is that you've been give a lot of antibiotics in the past

and that has allowed the candida to get a stronger hold before the

other flora got replenished.

>

> I would say that the first things your going to have to do is to

get mentally prepared for the process of getting rid of this over

abundance of candida albican. It ain't easy to endure the type of

discomfort and pain it can cause the body, especially the joints, and

sugar cravings.

>

> I would simply suggest you start eating a diet void of milk

products, hydrogenated fat, and saturated animal fats (like that

which will coagulate, such as bacon grease in a pan). Avoiding sugars

is a must, along with sugar substitutes that contain aspartame.

Avoiding aspartame is a must, an absolute must for good health.

>

> IF you start doing this you'll probably find yourself quite

uncomfortable even though your actual energy level will improve. It's

the improvement that can become deceptive to the mind and a fall back

into the use of fats and sugars can once again catch you by surprise.

However, it you're off deep fried foods for a least a week you'll

very likely find that greasy fat smells awful and tastes greasy.

>

> Basically you're going to be learning a new way to eat and to deal

with the digestion you should start taking enzymes before you eat.

Along with enzymes you should also take a supplement to regain the

flora needed in the intestines. This can be accomplished by taking

tablets or pills and by eating plain yogurt. In fact you can actually

use yogurt in an enema to work directly in the colon area.

>

> If you decide to attempt enemas you don't have to start right off

the bat thinking you have to get to doing a high enema as soon as

possible, just doing a fleet type enema will get things moving, and

adding yogurt to that will help quite a bit too.

>

> Eating will be very important to you too. You will want to make

sure to thoroughly chew the food you eat. The teeth are the best

portable juicer you have so by chewing the food very thoroughly you

are going to reap the best you can from its energy contained within

the cellular structure. Eating more often during the day will go a

long way towards a recovery of the energy that you've lost.

>

> You'll need to be eating a high fiber diet just to help the liver

do its job of getting out the various toxins of which will occur

because of dieing yeast. The liver will be a prime area of

consideration, especially considering that you're void of a

gallbladder to store needed fat emulsifying bile. However, eating a

lower fat diet you'll really realize an improvement within a few

short days and then over the next couple of weeks it'll all come

together so that your energy will improve.

>

> However, don't think that fats aren't something to be totally

avoided. Your body needs essential fatty acids and this is one thing

you will be getting from eating vegetables and fruit (Don't worry

about the sugars in fruit as something to avoid at this time).

Supplementing with a lecithin and taurine will help the liver produce

a bile that will be able to hold more of the cholesterol and other

fats in suspension to be absorbed by the insoluble fiber you'll be

getting from eating a diet high in fiber.

>

> By avoiding all milk products, excepting yogurt, you're going to

see a major reduction in the IBS problem too. I know just what you're

talking about regarding the a Charlie horse of the gut as I've also

suffered with IBS but have maintained great control over it by my

avoiding milk products.

>

> Dale

>

February 7, 2002

I have seen several doctor's througout the year and within the last

year started seeing a DO. His approach was to test me for

fibromyalgia and sent me to a rheumatologist when my biggest

complaint at the time was malaise,decreased energy, and 20lb. weight

gain that I could not and cannot seem to overcome.

I have " controlled " the spasms in my stomach by eating a high fiber

diet and exercise does help me with my energy. My skin is clear; the

best ever and it has been quite some time since I relapsed. But I am

still inconsistent. Sometimes I am so exhausted I just can't

exercise and even eating a salad seems to cause the worse cramps. I

spiral up and down to where I feel good, digesting ( & eliminating)

properly but then without changing anything, I get sick all over

again. It takes months to get back to the top.

I came to this site in hopes that getting involved with digestive

cleanses would only increase the results I have had with maintaining

a healthy diet. I am however learning alot from what I am reading

here. Thanks to all!

> > I am brand spanking new to this site and it has come after 6 long

> > years of not knowing what is going on with me. I have read some

of

> > the previous posts and I am leaving it in your educated and

> > experienced hands to help me decide where I should begin. I am

26

> > years old and I started having problems when I was 20. It

started

> > out as real bad acne and moved into digestive problems. My skin

> has

> > dramatically improved however I am plagued by weight gain, little

> to

> > no energy and doctor's diagnosing me with every imaginable

> syndrome.

> > They have removed my gallbladder (@ 23 yrs.) which did help. I

can

> > eat diary products (with the exception of actually drinking milk

> > which causes such horrible cramps) however I have back pain lower

> and

> > mid, joint pain, my metabolism is completly shot (I was very

> athletic

> > prior to all this, but who has the energy to move?) I am

constantly

> > nauseated, bloated, cannot flatulate (instead it blows up inside

my

> > intestines), I have severe spasms out of the blue. Despite me

> > eliminating and introducing foods back into my diet, I cannot pin

> any

> > one particular item. What bother's me today is fine tomorrow.

They

> > have diagnosed me with IBS and have tested me for fibromyalgia.

Oh

> > and I can't digest a thing. I have 1 BM a day (maybe) and I can

go

> > from constipation to really bad diarhhea. Ever had a charlie

horse

> > in your abdomen? It kills. I can go on forever, but for now I

> want

> > to cleanse my whole digestive tract and for once get rid of my

> > malaise. Someone please help before I started ranting again! :-)

February 8, 2002

I'm not Dale, and not a doctor or anything like that either, but some

standard recommendations for candida (just assuming that this is what

plagues you, which I certainly can't know) are raw garlic, olive leaf

extract and grape seed extract. (These are also recommended for

parasites and various other things.) The latter two are sold in

health-food stores. If you take garlic capsules, make sure they are

labelled as enterocoated (whatever that precisely means). But raw

garlic cloves are fine and ultra cheap. The olive leaf extract can

really (often) kill sugar cravings and other food cravings; I know

less about the grape seed extract. Many people recommend rotating

remedies (the number of days on each being a point of dispute, but 10

is one of the numbers). This way, the yeast will not have a chance to

adopt to the remedy. In any event, start with *one* remedy, such as

garlic (building up to at least three cloves a day). Or else you will

experience a helluva healing crisis. If you get an allergic-like

reaction from a remedy, like in your eyes, it's probably a sign that

it works (if so, it's a die-off reaction) and that you do have

something to kill. A few people just take olive leaf extract for a

couple of months and continue eating as usual and get rid of the

candida problem. It's not that easy for everyone.

I don't know myself, but it's commonly believed in forums such as

this that sugars feed the candida and helps spreading it. If anything

should be avoided or at least limited, then, sugar is the thing. Note

that grains are also a sort of sugar, only with longer chains than

sugar in the narrow sense, bran having the longest chain.

Consequently, bread and such is very often also recommended to avoid,

but this seems to be number two after sugar (and honey and so on).

Also bananas and carrots, at least as concerns several specimens in

one meal, as these have a particularly high sugar content compared to

most other fruits and vegetables.

Candida sufferers have often developed secondary cross allergies to

some foods and other things (like feathers in pillows), varying from

person to person, and you can avoid them if you find out about your

own situation. Amidst the plethora of candida websites, I think it's

possible to find some that present the correct procedure (with foods

listed): first avoid all of the typical foods that people often are

allergic to, see if you feel better (if not, continue eating), and,

if you do, then add foods of one group at the time and check if you

feel worse (food can be avoided) or the same (food should not be

avoided). Note that sugars also appears among the typical allergens:

if you get an attack some time after eating sugar, it must be because

of allergy, not because sugar feeds the yeast (which must be a slower

process). Also, yeast found in food is also among what many people

are allergic to (it does not feed the candida, as far as I can make

out of it). Some people also get worse when humidity is high; these

are also allergic to mould (often found in soy oil and soy sauce,

among other things). If you don't get worse when humidity is high,

you don't have to worry about " mould foods " .

Avoiding a lot of food can possibly make the condition worse: a

varied, rich diet is the best for all diseases. The point is most

likely to take potent remedies (like those three above), and avoid

minimally much.

-- Helge

>Dale,

>

>Thank you for your comments. I have considered Candida as the slew

>of doctors from (MD's and DO's) have not helped. I stick to a high

>fiber diet and fatty or fried foods was something that never was a

>part of my diet prior to this. You spoke of ridding the body of the

>over abundance of candida. What is the best way to do this? I do

>eat a considerably healthy diet which consists of mostly fruits and

>vegetables although the sugar cravings do get the best of me at

>times.

>

>I seem to be already doing most of what you suggest, however I cannot

>seem to jumpstart my metabolism and my energy level is still

>considerably low for the exercise and healthy diet that I do eat.

>Any further suggestions?

February 8, 2002

WOW! Are we twins? How did the fibro test turn out? Have they tested

you for thyroid problems? Have you had children? Please let me know

how things go.

Susie

February 19, 2002

Luz,

I am in total agreement with Dale and Donna. They are wonderful.

I have been through the exact same thing (IBS, and other syndromes) and I

finally realized the docs didn't know what was making me sick! Then I found out

it was my job, but too late, the damage was done. I am getting better by

getting out of this line of work (factory) going back to school and using

organic food, change in diet and herbs to heal.

Go slow, check out the 'curezone' link at the bottom of the page and look in the

archives for Schulze, Hulda and the various other programs. Prayer has

saved me alot of heartache with saving money and the best thing I have ever done

is to join e-mail groups. You are on the right track.

E-mail me anytime if you need info/support: PEACEJ@....

God bless,

KJ

February 19, 2002

Luz_de_luna_2000,

" I came to this site in hopes that getting involved with digestive

cleanses would only increase the results I have had with maintaining

a healthy diet. I am however learning alot from what I am reading

here. "

Maybe you are dealing with parasites and need to do a cleanse based on that?

Just a thought.

God bless,

KJ

November 28, 2004

Great advice below - I concur LOL.

I remeber that feeling of received my first big order of 'things that might

help' and made the classic ,mistake of starting nearly every one at

once................arghhhh

Mandi in UK

In a message dated 29/11/2004 05:09:29 GMT Standard Time,

k12userfor2@... writes:

Personally, I would stop everything and start with the Houston

Enzymes one at a time for a few days or a couple of weeks before

starting the next thing so that you can watch for changes. It might

be helpful to keep a diary for the time being too to help you

remember any changes. You might be pleasantly surprised that after

a few weeks of starting the enzymes, you may not need any other

supplement or maybe only one or two supplements are needed (maybe

minerals...www.brainchildnutritionals.com has a good liquid one).

Be careful with adding multi-vitamins, they can cause excessive

hyperactivity or irritability sometimes with a sensitive body. The

enzymes help us absorb the vitamins from our foods better, so you

may find that vitamins may not be needed at all.

November 28, 2004

Hi Buddy,

Personally, I would stop everything and start with the Houston

Enzymes one at a time for a few days or a couple of weeks before

starting the next thing so that you can watch for changes. It might

be helpful to keep a diary for the time being too to help you

remember any changes. You might be pleasantly surprised that after

a few weeks of starting the enzymes, you may not need any other

supplement or maybe only one or two supplements are needed (maybe

minerals...www.brainchildnutritionals.com has a good liquid one).

Be careful with adding multi-vitamins, they can cause excessive

hyperactivity or irritability sometimes with a sensitive body. The

enzymes help us absorb the vitamins from our foods better, so you

may find that vitamins may not be needed at all.

With my ADHD child, No-Fenol and AFP Peptizyde was a GREAT

combination, but you'll want to start very slowly with the No-Fenol,

probably less than 1/2 capsule for a while. We're now all taking

all 3 Houston enzymes with each of our meals and extra AFP Peptizyde

inbetween meals during a virus. Are your kids on the Feingold

diet? (www.feingold.org)....a good healthy diet without artificial

colors, flavors, and preservatives can help along with the enzymes.

I'm sure others will have some advice as well...

Best wishes to finding the right combination of things that will

work best for your kids,

Gretchen

> TO: Everyone and and Dana!

>

> I had already the following supplements received from courrier:

> 1. SNT with P5P without Vit. A & D Liquid - Kirkmann

> 2. Yeast Control Powder - Kirkmann

> 3. GSE capsule- Kirkmann

> 4. DMG with Folinic Acid and with B 12 Liquid - Kirkmann

> 5. No Fenol Powder - Houston

> 6. AFP Peptizyde Powder - Houston

> 7. Zyme Prime Powder- Houston

>

> I would like to have some of your opinion.

> Which one of them I should give first to my 2 ADD children -

Trishken aged 13 and aged 15. At present I gave them the

commercial Nystatin, Acidophillus capsule from Natures and B12

capsule for 1 week now. Should I stopped them and replace it with my

new supplements listed above?

>

> I would appreciate it very much for any suggestions.

>

> Buddy

> Father of 2 ADD children.

]

November 29, 2004

> 1. SNT with P5P without Vit. A & D Liquid - Kirkmann

> 2. Yeast Control Powder - Kirkmann

> 3. GSE capsule- Kirkmann

> 4. DMG with Folinic Acid and with B 12 Liquid - Kirkmann

> 5. No Fenol Powder - Houston

> 6. AFP Peptizyde Powder - Houston

> 7. Zyme Prime Powder- Houston

>

> I would like to have some of your opinion.

> Which one of them I should give first to my 2 ADD children -

Trishken aged 13 and aged 15. At present I gave them the

commercial Nystatin, Acidophillus capsule from Natures and B12 capsule

for 1 week now. Should I stopped them and replace it with my new

supplements listed above?

Start with the enzymes.

Dana

November 29, 2004

You have been given great advice about starting. My daughter is older like your

kids. We stopped everything and started enzymes. About a month into enzymes we

did add low dose Zoloft to help with extreme anxiety.

Then we added magnesium and slowly started Epsom Salt baths.

I echo what has been said about enzymes. You may see enough improvements not to

need as many supplements.

However, be prepared for an adjustment period. Our took several weeks, but we