Re: any help with a stubborn husband?

November 13, 2010

First off the doc you went to sounds like an ass.......sorry....I am not calling him a name, just referencing his demeanor and treatment of you.

Many medical doctors are just in the biz of a fee for service......and if they treat

symptoms and never the root, they will keep you in their loop and have a guaranteed income from you. I worked in the field for 26 years, so I know how it works.....and how many doctors think.

Because the chemicals used in manufacturing silicone for implants have some 40 " known " neuro-toxins in them, this disrupts the entire endocrin system as well as many others. This is a very delicate system consisting of hormones you never even heard of with functions you didnt know you had.

Hits to your immune system along with genetics makes each one of us have alittle different road to travel to wellness.

Unfortunately, men do have the fix it mentality, and they are just wired like that.

Its good for some things, but not in dealing with health..I wish it were that simple....They mean well...

A doctor for enviromental illness understands more what chemical toxicity does to people. Most people dont understand that having bags of toxic soup inside our bodies resting beside our vital organs, the heart and lungs and all does to us...

Most doctors dont understand this either because they believe implants are safe just because someone said so.......the implant makers.......and most have investments with those companies as well....so their vested interest is with the companies not with patients which is their other source of income.......

Very few doctors are in the business to help people, they are in it to make money.

When you find one that is.....than hang on to them.....

There are doctors that are also naturopaths or holistic doctors too, and many are good.

Remember, you employ doctors......you are the boss......dont let them intimidate you, and it sounds like that ass last night tried to..........with his smart ass remarks......

I can pretty much guarantee he will come back with " you are just depressed " or " its all in your head " this is the typical responses of a lazy doctor, or group of doctors that arent interested in helping you only medicating you......

Please try to not take your husbands responses to heart.....many men just dont

know how to help and it hurts them to not be able to " fix " you..just like you said.

Healing after toxic exposure takes a long time......be patient......and persistant.....

Drink lots of water, eat a healthy diet with lots of live foods, ( raw veges and things ) exercise, even if all you can do is walk. Eat probiotic foods or take them every day. Laugh Love and Pray......

Hugs to ya, you will get there........

Dede

When the power of love

overcomes the love of power

the world will know peace.

~ Jimi Hendrix

any help with a stubborn husband?

hey girls- just having a bit of a battle at home and wondered if any of you have had a similar experience....my husband is a traditional medicine die hard. He does not "believe" in alternative medicine is what he told me, and it has caused Many Many nasty arguments. in fact we have never argued until now, about this subject. He says because i'm still sick, i need to go back to the medical doctors because it might be something simple we're missing. well i appeased him and he made me an appt last night, so we went, and after giving a Brief description of what i'd gone thru the doc said, well i'd like you to write down your entire story and fax it to me so i can bring it up at this month's 'complicated cases' and we can discuss where we'll go from there, but we'll get to the bottom of this and fix you!" after i asked him if he'd heard of breast implant illness or mold toxicitity, he replied, no, and then said to me, did you just hear what i said a moment ago? i met you 10 minutes ago and don't know your history and obviously the path you've been on isn't working for you, so like i said, i'll discuss it with a group of doctors and we'll go from there. then he asked what 3 symptoms i'd get rid of if i could.. and i replied, i just want to find the root of the problem (again, feeling like i'm trying to appease my husband but also feeling very attacked) but he asks again so i said, uhhh heart palpitatioins, muscle weakness and anxiety, so he says, ok well i'll set up a heart test for you to take, wouldn't you be happy if all you needed was an electric shock to your heart and be healed? my mouth was on the floor. he asked again, would you be happy if it was as simple as that?? as he clasped his hands and smiled. i replied, "yep" and walked out the door....and guess what, my husband and i are still fighting. the doctor even sait to me after looking at my chart, 'wow, you have had the million dollare w ork up haven't you?" i have enough of a battle right now and I begged him to let go of me going thru a million more kaiser tests, and when i cry to him telling him i just need his support on my journey, he gets angry and says "this is a marriage, i get a say in your health too!" and it never ends...is there any advice? i physically and mentally can't deal with this right now and he obviously doesn't care...but on the other hand, he cares too much right? cause he's a man that wants to FIX things....

November 13, 2010

yes, I agree with Dede. Men do want to fix things, so the more you tell them

the more they will want to fix it, and when that doesn't work, they get mad.

That's just their DNA I guess.

Sorry to jump in at the last minute, I don't know your situation or if you've

been explanted.

I didn't have a lot of support when I got my explant. I basically leaned on

this site and vented here, because my family truly did not understand. I mean

if you look good on the outside, you must be Ok, right?

I also had Kasier, and I can tell you the internal docs were a**es. I went to a

rheumy and he told me I was just depressed and should be on meds. I had the

heart palps, hives, crazy, crazy anxiety, and so much more. I can pretty much

bet they are going to tell you that you're depressed. Those docs from my

experience are bound by a lot of insurance rules and the bottom line is all

about saving money for the system. I'm sure they do have some good doctors and

are probably frustrated by that situation.

I ended up firing Kaiser, and going the holistic route, found another insurance

plan that accepted some of those treatments.

If you stay in traditional medicine, then an environmental doctor is your best

bet. I would look for one of those.

After I got the pictures back from my moldy implants, it was a lot easier taking

those pics to my neurologist and other specialists. The responses were

" ewwwwwwww " and " grossssss " , but the bottom line was they had never dealt with

mold in implants and really didn't know how to fix it, or even if mold could

cause the neuro problems that I was having. At least they never told me I was

depressed anymore!!

Things that helped me were infrared sauna, coffee enemas, magnetic clay baths,

some supplements to detox tin. I did a little at a time with the things that I

could afford.

If you read my follow up previously, today I am trying to eat clean, and

exercising 6 days a week. I am feeling pretty good.

I hope and pray you will feel better soon.

hugs,

Beth L.

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> hey girls- just having a bit of a battle at home and wondered if any of you

have had a similar experience....my husband is a traditional medicine die hard.

He does not " believe " in alternative medicine is what he told me, and it has

caused Many Many nasty arguments. in fact we have never argued until now, about

this subject. He says because i'm still sick, i need to go back to the medical

doctors because it might be something simple we're missing.

November 13, 2010

Hi Bev,

I have a girlfriend in the exact same predicament you are. It's a real problem because he won't help her with any natural treatments or going to those doctors. She can't drive right now. You asked for help and opinions, so I'm giving you mine. I hope it's not offensive, surely not meant that way only to help. But your husband is not respecting your intellect or choices, and he needs to do so. You are his marriage partner not his child. You need to save your life no matter what his opinion is. His rigidity and lack of enlightenment is your undoing. You must continue to pursue alternative medicine, all seem to agree including me in working with a doctor of Environmental Medicine, or one who has a very good understanding of it. I use environmental and holistic. This is not negotiable about the course you need to pursue to save your life. He may choose

to disagree, but that's where his responsibility in offering his opinion ends.

Of course you don't need the stress. No question, you can tell him that too. But you will not find the answers or help you seek in mainstream medicine to my knowledge.

Hugs,

There would be nothing to frighten you if you refused to be afraid. Gandhi

From: bebe444girl <moodynomad@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 9:55:01 PMSubject: any help with a stubborn husband?

hey girls- just having a bit of a battle at home and wondered if any of you have had a similar experience....my husband is a traditional medicine die hard. He does not "believe" in alternative medicine is what he told me, and it has caused Many Many nasty arguments. in fact we have never argued until now, about this subject. He says because i'm still sick, i need to go back to the medical doctors because it might be something simple we're missing. well i appeased him and he made me an appt last night, so we went, and after giving a Brief description of what i'd gone thru the doc said, well i'd like you to write down your entire story and fax it to me so i can bring it up at this month's 'complicated cases' and we can discuss where we'll go from there, but we'll get to the bottom of this and fix you!" after i asked him if he'd heard of breast implant illness or mold toxicitity, he replied, no, and then said to me, did you just hear what i said a moment

ago? i met you 10 minutes ago and don't know your history and obviously the path you've been on isn't working for you, so like i said, i'll discuss it with a group of doctors and we'll go from there. then he asked what 3 symptoms i'd get rid of if i could.. and i replied, i just want to find the root of the problem (again, feeling like i'm trying to appease my husband but also feeling very attacked) but he asks again so i said, uhhh heart palpitatioins, muscle weakness and anxiety, so he says, ok well i'll set up a heart test for you to take, wouldn't you be happy if all you needed was an electric shock to your heart and be healed? my mouth was on the floor. he asked again, would you be happy if it was as simple as that?? as he clasped his hands and smiled. i replied, "yep" and walked out the door....and guess what, my husband and i are still fighting. the doctor even sait to me after looking at my chart, 'wow, you have had the million dollare work up

haven't you?" i have enough of a battle right now and I begged him to let go of me going thru a million more kaiser tests, and when i cry to him telling him i just need his support on my journey, he gets angry and says "this is a marriage, i get a say in your health too!" and it never ends...is there any advice? i physically and mentally can't deal with this right now and he obviously doesn't care...but on the other hand, he cares too much right? cause he's a man that wants to FIX things....

November 14, 2010

No that's why I asked, its not offensive at all-i so appreciate the support. I like what you said about me being the wife not the child. And you're absolutely right, he's not respecting my intellect because his doctor friends have got in his head...one being another ego guy. Its almost making me bitter and I need to let that go too. Anyway thanks for the support. I can't drive either so I feel for your friend. I'm so lucky I hve my dad who drives me to my holistic doc once or twice a week. He's behind me 100% any way I can get better and I'm grateful for him. That's what I would love to be able to say about my husband and it makes me sad I can't. HugsBevSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Natural Medicine <natmedgal@...>Sender: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:14:21 -0800 (PST)< >Reply Subject: Re: any help with a stubborn husband?Hi Bev, I have a girlfriend in the exact same predicament you are. It's a real problem because he won't help her with any natural treatments or going to those doctors. She can't drive right now. You asked for help and opinions, so I'm giving you mine. I hope it's not offensive, surely not meant that way only to help. But your husband is not respecting your intellect or choices, and he needs to do so. You are his marriage partner not his child. You need to save your life no matter what his opinion is. His rigidity and lack of enlightenment is your undoing. You must continue to pursue alternative medicine, all seem to agree including me in working with a doctor of Environmental Medicine, or one who has a very good understanding of it. I use environmental and holistic. This is not negotiable about the course you need to pursue to save your life. He may chooseto disagree, but that's where his responsibility in offering his opinion ends. Of course you don't need the stress. No question, you can tell him that too. But you will not find the answers or help you seek in mainstream medicine to my knowledge. Hugs, There would be nothing to frighten you if you refused to be afraid. GandhiFrom: bebe444girl <moodynomad@...> Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 9:55:01 PMSubject: any help with a stubborn husband? hey girls- just having a bit of a battle at home and wondered if any of you have had a similar experience....my husband is a traditional medicine die hard. He does not "believe" in alternative medicine is what he told me, and it has caused Many Many nasty arguments. in fact we have never argued until now, about this subject. He says because i'm still sick, i need to go back to the medical doctors because it might be something simple we're missing. well i appeased him and he made me an appt last night, so we went, and after giving a Brief description of what i'd gone thru the doc said, well i'd like you to write down your entire story and fax it to me so i can bring it up at this month's 'complicated cases' and we can discuss where we'll go from there, but we'll get to the bottom of this and fix you!" after i asked him if he'd heard of breast implant illness or mold toxicitity, he replied, no, and then said to me, did you just hear what i said a momentago? i met you 10 minutes ago and don't know your history and obviously the path you've been on isn't working for you, so like i said, i'll discuss it with a group of doctors and we'll go from there. then he asked what 3 symptoms i'd get rid of if i could.. and i replied, i just want to find the root of the problem (again, feeling like i'm trying to appease my husband but also feeling very attacked) but he asks again so i said, uhhh heart palpitatioins, muscle weakness and anxiety, so he says, ok well i'll set up a heart test for you to take, wouldn't you be happy if all you needed was an electric shock to your heart and be healed? my mouth was on the floor. he asked again, would you be happy if it was as simple as that?? as he clasped his hands and smiled. i replied, "yep" and walked out the door....and guess what, my husband and i are still fighting. the doctor even sait to me after looking at my chart, 'wow, you have had the million dollare work uphaven't you?" i have enough of a battle right now and I begged him to let go of me going thru a million more kaiser tests, and when i cry to him telling him i just need his support on my journey, he gets angry and says "this is a marriage, i get a say in your health too!" and it never ends...is there any advice? i physically and mentally can't deal with this right now and he obviously doesn't care...but on the other hand, he cares too much right? cause he's a man that wants to FIX things....

November 14, 2010

Thank u dede. I love that you know both sides of the medical field and understand so well. I love my holistic doc so much, she actually said the same thing as you-that I am the boss of my health and I employ them and if they aren't on board 100% with what I need, I can find someone else. I wouldve never thought of it that way. He did at least do the 3 blood tests she asked me to get, after calling them off the wall or something, I can't remember the term he used. The blood guy said my veins were non existant...haven't heard that before, and it wasn't comforting. So he used a baby needle. I'll try to stay on trac and not let these other things stress me out cause I know its not helping my healing process.Thnx. Xo. BevSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Dede <DGRAHAMA@...>Sender: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:01:56 -0500 (EST)< >Reply Subject: Re: any help with a stubborn husband?First off the doc you went to sounds like an ass.......sorry....I am not calling him a name, just referencing his demeanor and treatment of you. Many medical doctors are just in the biz of a fee for service......and if they treatsymptoms and never the root, they will keep you in their loop and have a guaranteed income from you. I worked in the field for 26 years, so I know how it works.....and how many doctors think. Because the chemicals used in manufacturing silicone for implants have some 40 " known " neuro-toxins in them, this disrupts the entire endocrin system as well as many others. This is a very delicate system consisting of hormones you never even heard of with functions you didnt know you had. Hits to your immune system along with genetics makes each one of us have alittle different road to travel to wellness. Unfortunately, men do have the fix it mentality, and they are just wired like that.Its good for some things, but not in dealing with health..I wish it were that simple....They mean well...A doctor for enviromental illness understands more what chemical toxicity does to people. Most people dont understand that having bags of toxic soup inside our bodies resting beside our vital organs, the heart and lungs and all does to us...Most doctors dont understand this either because they believe implants are safe just because someone said so.......the implant makers.......and most have investments with those companies as well....so their vested interest is with the companies not with patients which is their other source of income.......Very few doctors are in the business to help people, they are in it to make money.When you find one that is.....than hang on to them.....There are doctors that are also naturopaths or holistic doctors too, and many are good. Remember, you employ doctors......you are the boss......dont let them intimidate you, and it sounds like that ass last night tried to..........with his smart ass remarks......I can pretty much guarantee he will come back with " you are just depressed " or " its all in your head " this is the typical responses of a lazy doctor, or group of doctors that arent interested in helping you only medicating you...... Please try to not take your husbands responses to heart.....many men just dontknow how to help and it hurts them to not be able to " fix " you..just like you said. Healing after toxic exposure takes a long time......be patient......and persistant.....Drink lots of water, eat a healthy diet with lots of live foods, ( raw veges and things ) exercise, even if all you can do is walk. Eat probiotic foods or take them every day. Laugh Love and Pray......Hugs to ya, you will get there........Dede When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. ~ Jimi Hendrix any help with a stubborn husband? hey girls- just having a bit of a battle at home and wondered if any of you have had a similar experience....my husband is a traditional medicine die hard. He does not "believe" in alternative medicine is what he told me, and it has caused Many Many nasty arguments. in fact we have never argued until now, about this subject. He says because i'm still sick, i need to go back to the medical doctors because it might be something simple we're missing. well i appeased him and he made me an appt last night, so we went, and after giving a Brief description of what i'd gone thru the doc said, well i'd like you to write down your entire story and fax it to me so i can bring it up at this month's 'complicated cases' and we can discuss where we'll go from there, but we'll get to the bottom of this and fix you!" after i asked him if he'd heard of breast implant illness or mold toxicitity, he replied, no, and then said to me, did you just hear what i said a moment ago? i met you 10 minutes ago and don't know your history and obviously the path you've been on isn't working for you, so like i said, i'll discuss it with a group of doctors and we'll go from there. then he asked what 3 symptoms i'd get rid of if i could.. and i replied, i just want to find the root of the problem (again, feeling like i'm trying to appease my husband but also feeling very attacked) but he asks again so i said, uhhh heart palpitatioins, muscle weakness and anxiety, so he says, ok well i'll set up a heart test for you to take, wouldn't you be happy if all you needed was an electric shock to your heart and be healed? my mouth was on the floor. he asked again, would you be happy if it was as simple as that?? as he clasped his hands and smiled. i replied, "yep" and walked out the door....and guess what, my husband and i are still fighting. the doctor even sait to me after looking at my chart, 'wow, you have had the million dollare w ork up haven't you?" i have enough of a battle right now and I begged him to let go of me going thru a million more kaiser tests, and when i cry to him telling him i just need his support on my journey, he gets angry and says "this is a marriage, i get a say in your health too!" and it never ends...is there any advice? i physically and mentally can't deal with this right now and he obviously doesn't care...but on the other hand, he cares too much right? cause he's a man that wants to FIX things....

November 14, 2010

Bev,

My veins are bad also. I've had so many people tell me the same thing and also been through h*** trying to get my IV's and blood...etc. I'll tell ya, what we do to stay alive! I'm sorry about your husband, I hope in time he "gets it". My girlfriends husbands doesn't believe in alt med, but as of late he at least is "accepting" what she does. He punishes her by being in a bad mood or nasty, etc... so she has to live with that when she asserts herself...and so does mine btw. So, I know it's awful to live with, but when it comes to staying alive and fighting for your life, I guess you just have to do what you must. Don't know what's wrong with these guys without getting out all my psychology books, giving them a dx, and wishing I could do the "betwtiched thing as in wiggle my nose" and make it all go away

I've said to my husband many times this was supposed to be a partnership with respect. Hang in there and do the best you can. I'm glad you have your dad.

Hugs,

There would be nothing to frighten you if you refused to be afraid. Gandhi

From: "moodynomad@..." <moodynomad@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 9:39:46 PMSubject: Re: any help with a stubborn husband?

No that's why I asked, its not offensive at all-i so appreciate the support. I like what you said about me being the wife not the child. And you're absolutely right, he's not respecting my intellect because his doctor friends have got in his head...one being another ego guy. Its almost making me bitter and I need to let that go too. Anyway thanks for the support. I can't drive either so I feel for your friend. I'm so lucky I hve my dad who drives me to my holistic doc once or twice a week. He's behind me 100% any way I can get better and I'm grateful for him. That's what I would love to be able to say about my husband and it makes me sad I can't. HugsBev Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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