mold

[Guest guest]

Hello..

Here in Florida you can't get away from the mold. I have my walls all washed

down once a year, air out mattresses, and keep air conditioner on most of the

year, due to the high heat and high humidity. It is so hard to get away from

in the south.

Diane M

[Guest guest]

I think that I'm becoming a little mold-obsessed. But, where does everyone else

store their nuts/seeds/oats/chips or whatever that can't be consumed in one

sitting? I've been putting a lot of stuff in the freezer, but I can't put

EVERYTHING in there there's just not enough room. Plus, my hubby thinks I'm

crazy!!

Is it me, or do other people worry about the mold on their food too?

Lynne

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Everything in the fridge when I can.

Normally you shouldn't buy food for 10 years ahead anyway, I just make sure

to buy enough for a short while at a time.

At 09:28 AM 1/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>I think that I'm becoming a little mold-obsessed. But, where does everyone

>else store their nuts/seeds/oats/chips or whatever that can't be consumed

>in one sitting? I've been putting a lot of stuff in the freezer, but I

>can't put EVERYTHING in there there's just not enough room. Plus, my hubby

>thinks I'm crazy!!

>

>Is it me, or do other people worry about the mold on their food too?

>

>

>Lynne

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[Guest guest]

Tai,

Thank you so much for your sweet and understanding reply. You are absolutely

right in everything that you say and I will take it to heart.

My feelings are that if I am SUPER good on this diet while I am getting well

then I will not only get well faster, but then I'll be able to add foods sooner.

I'm a pretty black and white person. When I do something I go all out. Greys are

hard for me.

Thanks again.

Lynne

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree...does anyone know how Shoemaker is dealing with mold

toxicity? Any Shoemaker patients out there trying to deal with

Lyme, CNS and Mold? What else is left to blame this

DD on after going after Lyme and CNS?

p.s. I know mold can play a major role in illness but what can you

do to but try to avoid it the best you can.

-O

> How does Shoemaker remove the Mold toxicity? Especially when all

metabolic

> functions are slow and you can become auto-intoxicated. ly,

this

> Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad

stomachs. PS.

> Klonopin will paralyze a weak gut...SO MUCH FOR THEORIES

[Guest guest]

> How does Shoemaker remove the Mold toxicity? Especially when all

metabolic

> functions are slow and you can become auto-intoxicated. ly, this

> Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad stomachs.

Why do you think CSM is bad for ppl with IBS. Are you concerned with the

sugar content in CSM or something more specific to CSM?

Nelly

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

I know of some people who have tried CSM. I was told that

it gave them digestion problems, constipation, etc. So, I suppose

if you already have GI problems it could aggravate them. But

some people seem to handle the CSM o.k. but probably

nothing to take on a long term basis. You might want to look

up side effects for the med.

-O

> > How does Shoemaker remove the Mold toxicity? Especially when

all

> metabolic

> > functions are slow and you can become auto-intoxicated. ly,

this

> > Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad

stomachs.

>

> Why do you think CSM is bad for ppl with IBS. Are you concerned

with the

> sugar content in CSM or something more specific to CSM?

>

> Nelly

[Guest guest]

O,

I have looked into CSM A LOT but you obviously haven't, yet you seem to have

quite a strong opinion about it.

You wrote:

>ly,

> this

> > > Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad

> stomachs.

Could people please refrain from sounding as if they KNOW something to be a

fact when they have no experience with it themselves. And if they have

experience with something could they just say: " I have taken this and it did

this " rather than say something like " Cholestyramine is the worst thing

..... " .

As for IBS, do you really think that it means anything at all apart from

" you've got something wrong with your gut and I can't be bothered finding

out what " ?

Anyway cholestyramine is not used by Shoemaker to " fix " your gut but to try

and mop up neurotoxins from XXX (one of the Xs could be mold) before they

recirculate. Gut side effects might have to be taken into consideration for

ppl who have a tendency twrds constipation, but for ppl with diarrhea it

works wonders, or so I've heard!

Nelly

[Guest guest]

Here's a very interesting " experimental " type observation. My friend,

Tony (the staph guy), has always said that Nystatin, the anti-fungal

drug, works wonders against staph. It's especially good because the

staph does not easily become resistant to it. We had thought that

perhaps it had something to do with the co-infection aspect that

seems so common with staph. Another friend, Jed, came across

information about Nystatin, that shows that it lowers cholesterol,

just the same as Cholestyramine does. So is it possible that these

two drugs are both removing toxins through the same kind of

mechanism? Some people react badly to Nystatin, just as some seem to

react badly to Cholestyramine, while others love it. Perhaps we need

to find out how these drugs are working (removing cholesterol/toxins)

to find alternatives? Just a wild card here, but it's putting

together odd pieces like this, that might just give us a clear

picture, and is basically how I've made what progress I have.

Anyone here have experience feeling better when on nystatin?

penny

> How does Shoemaker remove the Mold toxicity? Especially when all

metabolic

> functions are slow and you can become auto-intoxicated. ly,

this

> Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad

stomachs. PS.

> Klonopin will paralyze a weak gut...SO MUCH FOR THEORIES

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

I didn't write this. It was written by the person

who initiated the original post.

-O

>

> >ly,

> > this

> > > > Cholestyramine is the worst thing for ppl with IBS and bad

> > stomachs.

>

> Could people please refrain from sounding as if they KNOW something

to be a

> fact when they have no experience with it themselves. And if they

have

> experience with something could they just say: " I have taken this

and it did

> this " rather than say something like " Cholestyramine is the worst

thing

> .... " .

>

> As for IBS, do you really think that it means anything at all apart

from

> " you've got something wrong with your gut and I can't be bothered

finding

> out what " ?

>

> Anyway cholestyramine is not used by Shoemaker to " fix " your gut

but to try

> and mop up neurotoxins from XXX (one of the Xs could be mold)

before they

> recirculate. Gut side effects might have to be taken into

consideration for

> ppl who have a tendency twrds constipation, but for ppl with

diarrhea it

> works wonders, or so I've heard!

>

> Nelly

[Guest guest]

> penny <pennyhoule@y...> wrote:Here's a very

interesting " experimental " type observation. My friend,

> Tony (the staph guy), has always said that Nystatin, the anti-

fungal

> drug, works wonders against staph.> Anyone here have experience

feeling better when on nystatin?

>

> penny

Penny, just checking postings and saw yours. When I read the study

from Mayo Clinic about fungus and sinusitis, I remembered years ago

dissolving a diflucan pill in some water and sraying the solution

into my nostrils. I remembered it helping. I had some Nystatin pills

when I got back from Mexico, so I dissolved one into 1/2 ounce of

water and started spraying (plus using the neti pot with salt and

baking soda solution) into both nostrils. When I started, I had been

blowing out dried and fresh blood for over a year and of course,

mucous. within one week the blood had stopped coming out and now,

after about three weeks, I hardly blow my nose anymore. I just

started on my fifth bottle. FWIW Bob

[Guest guest]

I wasn't aware the itching was mold. I thought it was from getting

the feeling back. Now how do I get it gone? I see my Doc in 2 and a

half weeks. Still post op. If I need to I will go in and get

something done. Mold...I do not like the sound of it even:(

[Guest guest]

I am very concerned that I have mold & also rats infesting my walls & attic.

Now especially since Zippy said that the cellulose insulation is a perfect

breeding ground for mold.

I have MCS & cannot handle the forced air gas heat furnace that came with

this rental house. I closed off the vents & have never used the furnace in the

last 8 yrs. I had some cellulose insulation blown in the attic crawl space

years ago also. It has really helped to have one room at least that is

insulated.

But now there are rats in the walls also. I luckily took the carpeting up when

I moved in & have hardwood floors. I use a steam cleaner for them & electric

space heaters. But I cannot afford to use the heaters very often.

I really am too sick to deal with the rats or mold right now. I am just

hoping that buying some more air purifiers will help enough. I do open windows &

air out the house as often as I can. I am not sure what else I can do about the

mold though.

This is an old house & I am sure there are no vapor barriers in the walls. I

also know the Landlord did not have the vapor barriers put behind the shower

in the bathroom walls when he repaired the tiles which is legally required.

It is a scary situation to imagine all the mold & rats in my walls.

[Guest guest]

>Many of us could have mold in our dwelling

>places and have no way to know if it is affecting us.

====================================================

Hello ,

I was informed that every house has mold in it.

It is the nature of things.

Moist, warm air from the inside, migrates into the

walls, where it meets the cooler exterior wall, and

wha-la, condensation. Condensation leading then

to mold inside the walls.

The question then is, does this hurt the occupants

of the dwelling?

I have an APD machine that puts our house under

constant positive pressue. Supposedly, this limits

the ablility of mold to migrate back into the dwelling.

It makes sense.

Do a search of Therma-Stor products in Madison,

Wisconsin, and you can see what kind of machine we

have. It also dehumidifies.

btw, if you have blown in cellulose insulation in

your attic (as many houses do, including ours) that

is the worst for mold. The cellulose forms the perfect

environment for mold growth.

Zippy

[Guest guest]

Newer homes are supposed to have a vapor barrier just behind the sheetrock

that is supposed to help reduce the problem of warm indoor air reaching the

outer wall. The idea is supposed to be to reduce the loss of heat during the

winter, but it also is supposed to reduce mold growing inside the walls. The

quality of the vapor barrier is dependent upon the skill of the contractor

and how accurately they follow the manufacturer's directions for applying

it. Unfortunately, contractors are famous for cutting corners, and doing the

minimal amount necessary to get by. So many homes with vapor barriers have

so many gaps in them that they still have problems with moisture reaching

the outer walls. And many people have mold growing in furnace ductwork of

forced air systems, especially when the ductwork runs through attics or

basements or crawl spaces, or under slab foundations, because when the air

isn't circulating, it begins to cool, and the moisture in the air condenses

against the cooler sides of the ductwork. Once it becomes established in the

ductwork, it can be extremely difficult to eliminate, because cleaning the

ductwork with steam or other standard ways of cleaning the ductwork don't

effectively eliminate it all, and may actually make the problem worse.

Especially if they aren't done right.

But another really big source of mold in houses,and probably a worse source

than mold in the walls (unless there is major moisture damage going on) is

carpeting. Bigger even than mold inside the walls. Carpets are able to c

hold hundreds of pounds of dirt, even with frequent vacuuming. The dirt in

carpets can include dust mites, and mold spores, and the dirt gives the mold

sufficient food to grow on. Shampooing the carpet doesn't necessarily get

rid of the accumulation of dust and mold spores. And certainly shampooing

the carpet increases the mold in the carpet because it provides moisture for

the mold. Because many people shampoo carpet every few months to once a

year, and because carpets don't get good circulation under them as they dry,

they can take a long time to dry. The longer the drying time, the more mold

grows. Cleaning carpets in the summer time so that the house can be aired

out while they're drying may actually prolong drying time because of higher

humidity levels. And shampooing during the winter, while the house is closed

up can increase drying time. The older the carpeting, and the more it has

been shampooed over time, the more mold that it can contain.

And carpets with natural fibers are even worse mold growers than synthetic

carpets. Many people are starting to return to using natural fibers because

they're supposedly more ecological, and also because some people can't

tolerate the outgassing from synthetic carpets. But the natural fiber

carpets grow mold even better than the synthetic, so you trade one problem

for another.

We once lived in a house where the previous owners where carpet cleaners as

their profession. The carpet in the house was jute backed carpeting. And

they cleaned the carpets once a week while they lived in the house for three

years. When we lived there, the underside of the carpet was rotted and black

from mold because of their frequent shampooing of it. (Their lack of

understanding about how to care for a jute backed carpet didn't inspire my

confidence in their carpet cleaning abilities) And it was brand new when

they moved into the house, so it was only three years old when we moved in.

But by the time we moved in, the carpeting looked like it was already old

carpeting.

Supposedly they're finding that ultraviolet bulbs for sterilizing the air

are able to significantly decrease mold in homes. A few years ago we had a

whole house HEPA filter system installed with our furnace, and an

ultraviolet sterilizing light with it. Unfortunately, it turns out that the

bulb would burn out shortly after it was replaced each year, because the

manufacterer failed to specify the voltage that the furnace contractors were

supposed to supply for it. So in effect it wasn't doing what it was supposed

to do. We're currently waiting for them to get it repaired. But hopefully

after that, it will help to decrease mold spores in the house. I'm still

waiting for us to be able to afford to get rid of the carpeting in the

house, but it's bare concrete under it, so we'll have to replace all the

flooring with tile, which can be more expensive than carpeting, depending on

what floor tile is used.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

Zippy,

I am a renter so cannot do all the modifications you did on your house. The

insulation in the attic just has boric acid for a fire retardant.

[Guest guest]

.......

> And carpets with natural fibers are even worse mold growers than

synthetic

> carpets. Many people are starting to return to using natural fibers

because

> they're supposedly more ecological, and also because some people

can't

> tolerate the outgassing from synthetic carpets. But the natural

fiber

> carpets grow mold even better than the synthetic, so you trade one

problem

> for another.

>

Interesting post .

I too have a big problem with mold. We have recently bought a

bagless vacuum cleaner to try to help the carpet cleaning problem. It

has an extra tray which distributes micro granuals into the carpet,

to attract any dirt deep in the pile, which you leave in situ for 20

mins. Then vac them up again. I am not sure if they are

electrostatically charged or what but it seems like a better

alternative to wet cleaning. Will let you know how good it is when we

have used it. Hope I don't sound to much like a salesman!

Mx

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried using the AirFree air purifier for mold? It's supposed to

kill mold, bacteria & viruses with 400 degree temperatures (an incinerator).

I just bought one, but it's too early to tell if it works.

[Guest guest]

,

The " adjustments " we made to our house helped a great deal. Putting

in a roof ridge vent was very helpful, as were temperature controlled

foundation vents.

The APD machine helped, but it was not as noticible as the ridge

vent, and foundation vents. The APD seemed to help more with

humidity, but I am glad it keeps positive pressure, and brings in

HEPA filtered fresh air.

We may have changed the mold's environment. Shoemaker thought this

too. For example, all mold used to have to live on was plain ole

wood. But with the advent of plywood and chip board, it now has to

content with glues and formaldehyde, if it wants to make a living.

This could encourage a " meaner " breed of mold (?)

I wonder if the cellulose insulation has flame retardents in it?

Zippy

=======================================================

> Zippy, I remember you talking about how you had mold near your bed

or

> something like that? Did you since install the APD and did it make

a considerable

> difference? Thanks for insite on attick and mold. The one in the

NC house that

> I think I was reacting to not only had mountains of blown in

insulation but

> also had the a/c unit up there so there were pvc pipes up there and

no doubt

> extra condensation. So after helped me identify that I was

indeed feeling

> worse after going up there I go up in my birthday suit if I need to

go up

> there at all and shower immediately thereafter. I also don't store

important

> things like books up there any more. Zippy, perhaps we humans did

something to

> the environment to alter the mold into a more toxic form. Not all

houses used

> to have " central air " too if you go back say 3 decades ago. But

how much more

> than that we can do I do not know. I'd like to know though.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 1/2/04 3:42:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> I was informed that every house has mold in it.

> It is the nature of things.

>

> Moist, warm air from the inside, migrates into the

> walls, where it meets the cooler exterior wall, and

> wha-la, condensation. Condensation leading then

> to mold inside the walls.

>

> The question then is, does this hurt the occupants

> of the dwelling?

>

> I have an APD machine that puts our house under

> constant positive pressue. Supposedly, this limits

> the ablility of mold to migrate back into the dwelling.

> It makes sense.

>

> Do a search of Therma-Stor products in Madison,

> Wisconsin, and you can see what kind of machine we

> have. It also dehumidifies.

>

> btw, if you have blown in cellulose insulation in

> your attic (as many houses do, including ours) that

> is the worst for mold. The cellulose forms the perfect

> environment for mold growth.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Zippy, I remember you talking about how you had mold near your bed

or

> something like that?

=================================

Yes, I had mold IN my bed. Lots of it !

I felt like crying when I found it.

Apparently, the foam egg shell pad I had

on top of the mattress, did not let things

breath underneath.

There was green mold from head to foot,

and about a handful of black powdery spores.

I am amazed that I have survived this long.

Zippy

(I got a new $$$ organic mattress from NEEDS

btw. Those things are HEAVY. Don't know how

I will ever get it turned? )

[Guest guest]

I think mold was a major contributing factor in my illness. If you

breath enough of the spores for long enough the stuff colonizes you.

I lived in a house for several years that had bad mold in it.

Termites had gotten into the entire upper wall and had literally

eaten the whole thing out. Subterranean Termites bring moisture with

them and moisture promotes mold overgrowth. The mold will grown in

and through the entire sheetrock, wall studs, and floor joists where

the termites where. It is a fungus and you just can't destroy it.

When I lived there I would always have cloudy urine in the morning.

Doctors could not pinpoint an infection ever in my urine. THe did

not know why it was cloudy. When I moved into our new home two years

ago, I began to get better and the cloudy urine disappeared. I went

back to the old house last month and spent 3 days. My urine was

cloudy those mornings and I did not feel well. In my humble opinion

the stuff, mold, can kill you.

I am doing much better know. I have used the far sauna's to detox

and may use the chlorella. I have also gotten rid of some bad dental

work. CFS in my opinion is an overloaded immune system and you have

to figure out what is stressing the immune system and remove those

stressors. Stressors can be everything from work stress, to

infectious agents (ie viruses, bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi=mold,

etc) toxins from these infectious agents, chemical stressors, and any

other elements that may effect your immunity. Hypercoagulation

usually sets in and it can become a slippery slope.

The liver is critical in recovery. I have started doing the liver

cleanse per Hulda and was shocked at what came out-hundreds of

stones. I used to thing Hulda was way out in left field somewhere

but I now think a lot can be learned from her.

She says most dental restorative materials are toxic including

porcelain. According to her clostridium bacteria grow on the

porcelain. I had my porcelain crown removed and my food

sensitivities have greatly diminished. I can now tolerate carbs and

sugar much better now. My digestion has improved as well. According

to her root canals are really bad. For more info, see her book: The

Cure for All Diseases.

I would like to try the chlorella and was wondering what brand is

most recommended and where it can be purchased from?

[Guest guest]

,

It's possible your son should truly avoid the enzymes, but I thought

I would share with you that my son and I are also allergic to mold

and have tolerated enzymes well. There is one DAN doctor who is an

allergist and has in the past told parents of children with mold

allergies not to take Houston enzymes, but it's my understanding he

has revised his opinion on this issue. I wouldn't want anyone to go

against doctor's advice but I think a few of them have been confused

about some enzymes and how they are purified.

I can understand your caution because allergic reactions are

something to be taken very seriously, but you can consider getting a

second opinion if you think enzymes could be helpful for your child.

> In a message dated 2/11/2004 6:40:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> I also forgot to add that my son is allergic to mold and our doctor

> said that we should not use any enzymes which are grown on mold (or

> aspergillis). I suppose that might also affect any recommendation

> you could make for us.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> *********

>

[Guest guest]

Although I do not know the laws in Montana....I am VERY involved in

local government in Vermont. A mold issue is a SERIOUS health

concern for EVERYONE in the school. It is a safety violation!!!!!

It needs to be fixed immediately! I am sure it is in the duct work

of the school. Children are in danger! Think about how many

children have asthma these days.....oh my!

Feel well soon

Cora

> Hi Gang!

>

> Greeting from Montana. Sorry I have been an imperfect stranger.

This school

> year has absolutely been the worse for me. I am in charge of

directing two

> plays, head and travel with the comeptitive speech team, and have

five

> different classes to prep and teach. Worse of all, I am teaching

a class I have never

> taught and I have had to learn myself in order to teach it.

>

> My health has suffered as a result. I am on 5mg of prednisone.

My levels

> are peeking over the fence now. My sugars levels reflecting my

diabetes are not

> as consistent as I would like but still not enough to warrant

medication.

>

> What I am writing you guys about today is feedback. I have a

pimple on my

> tongue. My GP was not worried thought it could be a canker sore.

My

> dermatologist thinks it is an early stage on candidaisis and put

me on mycostatin which

> has to dissolve in my mouth. Also is seems I have had to fight a

lot of viral

> infections this year. Any personal storieanyone would care to

pass on? They

> have been very helpful in the past and have gotten me through

other difficult

> times

>

> My classroom has abundant mold. In fact the tiles are hanging

from the

> ceiling. My asst-principal says its not his responisblity. I

worry that the mold

> could be aggravating my condition.

>

> I realize I am in an impossible situation for resolution from mold

or

> scheduling. I put in for a sabbatical. My famous aunt who, at

86, drove from

> Atlanta to Montana to deliver me to a man who could diagnose my

autoimmune, now

> needs me to be closer to help her. She will turn 90 this year.

>

> Thanks for the opportunity to catch up and update. Please let me

know if you

> have anything to contribute especially concerning my new maladies,

>

> Your friend

>

>

>

> AIH/dx92

[Guest guest]

Cora, how I wish someone on the west coast would take care of this

problem! In my room, the custodian was directed to spray the tiles in my room

to cover the mold…….is it any wonder I am sick? We were just told

on Tuesday that the district is going to revamp and put in new roofing and

ceilings along with air conditioning. We are thrilled!

Debby

[ ] Re: Mold

Although I do not know the laws in Montana....I am

VERY involved in

local government in Vermont. A mold issue is

a SERIOUS health

concern for EVERYONE in the school. It is a

safety violation!!!!!

It needs to be fixed immediately! I am sure

it is in the duct work

of the school. Children are in danger!

Think about how many

children have asthma these days.....oh my!

Feel well soon

Cora

> Hi Gang!

>

> Greeting from Montana. Sorry I have

been an imperfect stranger.

This school

> year has absolutely been the worse for

me. I am in charge of

directing two

> plays, head and travel with the comeptitive

speech team, and have

five

> different classes to prep and teach.

Worse of all, I am teaching

a class I have never

> taught and I have had to learn myself in

order to teach it.

>

> My health has suffered as a result. I

am on 5mg of prednisone.

My levels

> are peeking over the fence now. My

sugars levels reflecting my

diabetes are not

> as consistent as I would like but still not

enough to warrant

medication.

>

> What I am writing you guys about today is

feedback. I have a

pimple on my

> tongue. My GP was not worried thought

it could be a canker sore.

My

> dermatologist thinks it is an early stage on

candidaisis and put

me on mycostatin which

> has to dissolve in my mouth. Also is

seems I have had to fight a

lot of viral

> infections this year. Any personal

storieanyone would care to

pass on? They

> have been very helpful in the past and have

gotten me through

other difficult

> times

>

> My classroom has abundant mold. In fact

the tiles are hanging

from the

> ceiling. My asst-principal says its not

his responisblity. I

worry that the mold

> could be aggravating my condition.

>

> I realize I am in an impossible situation for

resolution from mold

or

> scheduling. I put in for a

sabbatical. My famous aunt who, at

86, drove from

> Atlanta to Montana to deliver me to a man who

could diagnose my

autoimmune, now

> needs me to be closer to help her. She

will turn 90 this year.

>

> Thanks for the opportunity to catch up and

update. Please let me

know if you

> have anything to contribute especially

concerning my new maladies,

>

> Your friend

>

>

>

> AIH/dx92

[Guest guest]

,

When my parents retired they moved into an elderly only trailer park.

Suddenly my mother had terrible allergies. We covered the entire ground

under the trailer with plastic and that fixed the allergy problem.

> , took a week here in NC but I finally got feeling well after a week

of

> hell. Felt depressed and down and weak. First thing I did was move all

the

> plants in the house to outside and I felt a little better immediately it

seems.

> Then tumeric gave me my life back just like the Boswellin use to. Then I

> felt grand this morning--the best yet since being here--and I had to go

under the

> house to get some stuff I store under there. In the back of my mind I

> thought " Hmmm...wonder how much mold is really under here...is there

ALWAYS mold

> under houses or might my house not have any? " Well, I expected to be free

of any

> reaction after getting under the house, just for a couple minutes. Then

not

> long after that I went to feeling like crap and did not want to do my

workout

> I had planned before work. I immediately jumped in shower to do

> decontamination routine one should do for mold hits. Felt better. Then

went to spa club

> and did dual session heavy sauna and felt even better. So anyway,

interesting

> how even getting under the house can maybe give me mold hits. I mean,

it's

> got to be mold, right? What else could it be? Now, I am not convinced at

all

> that Shoemaker is right about mold as being the cause of my CFS. But that

> doesn't mean that it isn't a key ingredient that is kicking a man when

he's down.

> Seems mold might affect virtually every one of us here.

>

>