Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 Hi , You know, the changeover from regular pop to diet might be easier if she were to quit drinking pop altogether for a while. Sometimes when you can't have ANY, then diet starts to taste pretty good. She should try to develope a liking for water anyways. My sister has had great success with Weight watchers. I don't understand the point system either, and don't think nutrition is really considered, but it has helped her get to her goal (and then some). She looks at this is the way she will eat for the rest of her life and it works for her. Both of my children are getting to the point of needing to watch what they are eating too. Such a fine line between " watching your diet- and dieting " . I'm going to try to commit us all to long daily walks. Even the dog is putting on a few! Best wishes, --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 , I don't have alot of wisdom but I do feel for you. My 12 y.o. son struggles with his weight also. He is 5'6 " and weighs 160. He is very strong, broad shoulders, etc., but stocky. He needs to lose another 10 pounds (he has lost 7) *or* grow about 4 inches! He is an athlete and very active but he still has that little-boy pudgy look. Our doctor recommended a " Carbohydrate Addict's " approach for him. He eats a protein breakfast, an anything-he-wants school lunch, and a protein dinner. He has a protein shake after school. I also keep lowish carb snacks like string cheese and beef jerky, as well as sugar free popsicles and fudgesicles in the freezer. He does one aerobic activity like running or riding his bike every day, in addition to his regular strength training for baseball. This works well for us because he can feel like a part of things at school and not be singled out as " dieting. " He will probably grow some this year as he turns 13 in November and has not hit puberty yet. But we mutually decided that this was the right time to do this. The baseball he will be playing in the next year will be more competitive and require more running as the bases are farther apart, so this is important to him. He has always had Diet Coke, so that is not an issue. I agree that going " cold turkey " for awhile with soda is helpful. It sure was for me! I doubt if any of this has been helpful to you, but I wanted you to know you are not alone in this. hugs, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 This is a constant issue in our family as well, and it's both interesting and heartbreaking to watch. My 14 y.o. has PCOS, and a fairly serious weight issue (she is 5'6 " - 205 lbs.). We've never had anything but non-fat milk, we don't drink sodas, if she drinks them out - they're diet. She reads the labels, makes usually good food choices, goes to the gym with me. I've never seen anything like it. She just doesn't lose weight. Talk about an inherited metabolism! We don't use the word diet in the house, and she has grown up with an extremely healthy attitude about her appearance and size, and the importance looks play in the grand scheme of things. I think it has done her damage to see me be a bit more obsessive about my own weight and size, but she's holding her own. This kid's doing everything right, but I have committed to her that if things don't level out with the PCOS and diabetes, we will look into surgery after she's 18. I have a younger daughter with no weight and metabolism issues at all. Go figure. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 ... I don't have any children yet, but I'm going to hang onto this one for when I do.... Everything you say makes sense... especially the part about calling for a hug when the rummaging starts... oi vey, I have tears in my eyes. I applaud you for trying so hard, and doing so many good things for your family and daughters as you are... RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 ... I don't have any children yet, but I'm going to hang onto this one for when I do.... Everything you say makes sense... especially the part about calling for a hug when the rummaging starts... oi vey, I have tears in my eyes. I applaud you for trying so hard, and doing so many good things for your family and daughters as you are... RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 ... I don't have any children yet, but I'm going to hang onto this one for when I do.... Everything you say makes sense... especially the part about calling for a hug when the rummaging starts... oi vey, I have tears in my eyes. I applaud you for trying so hard, and doing so many good things for your family and daughters as you are... RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 I hear what you are saying... My Grand Daughter LOVES Grandma's cookies.... they are sugar free!.... she loves my fudge bars as they also are sugar free...... My daughter has a weight problem but seems to be getting it under control now.. *GRIN*... It sounds a lot like the protein type diet of the young sports player. She eats protein breakfast... school lunches and a balanced high protein / low carb dinner... (with some exceptions... as with family dinners and such.... don't want people thinking she's dieting.... ) just trying to teach her how to eat. I don't get nasty with her! I just tell her I want her to grow up healthy and not go through what I did. She has seen the health difference and she seems to embrace it... and I'm proud of her. So maybe it just takes time and support with teenagers... Betty RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 I just remind mine that she's getting tired. Bad habit... eat when we get tired. Something my entire family has always done. So we go to bed early around here.... Betty RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 I just remind mine that she's getting tired. Bad habit... eat when we get tired. Something my entire family has always done. So we go to bed early around here.... Betty RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2002 Report Share Posted August 30, 2002 I just remind mine that she's getting tired. Bad habit... eat when we get tired. Something my entire family has always done. So we go to bed early around here.... Betty RE: Helping my Daughter I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 In a message dated 08/30/2002 1:11:33 PM Central Daylight Time, kkb1958@... writes: > Okay,guys-I need some of the collective wisdom from this list.I know many of > us were overweight(or thought we were) from childhood,and have been through > every diet program in the book.My 15 year old,,is on WW right now.She > is only 5'1/2 " tall and weighs about 150.I think she needs to loose about > 30 pounds-no more.She is really struggling with her food and drink > choices-she still wants regular DR Pepper!-and I'm struggling with how to > help her.I'm trying to mostly keep my mouth shut because I don't want to > come off as critical.She does get in regular activity because she's in > marching band,and they work their tails off during marching season!I think > she's eating too many carbs,but she complains that the lower carb choices > have too many " points " .Any wisdom?? > My opinion is----Don't encourage her to diet! My second piece of advice is Read the book Raising Children Free of Weight Diet issues. Find something to compliment her on about her physical being everyday---that is definately not related to losing weight. Encourage her to try drinking only diet Dr. Pepper for one week. If after that week she isn't adjusted to the diet version, let her have her Dr. Pepper. Be sure all your disscussin and " quality " time as mother and daughter aren't centered around what she is eating and how successful she is being. Dawn--far south suburban Chicago, IL area Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH BPD/DS 4/27/00 www.duodenalswitch.com 267 to 160 5' 4 " size 22 to size 10 have made size goal no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 I just had to jump in here on this thread. I have two wonderful sons. Both have inherited the obesity gene from both sides of our families. My youngest son (21 yr old) has lost 160 lbs and will be one year out from RNY on Sept 21st. My oldest son (27 yr old)) is still obese and says that the surgery is a cop out...go figure! Both were brought up without me harping on their weight, both were taught a healthy way to eat, both were encouraged to be themselves and to never equate weight with what they could or could not accomplish in this world. It's just a difference in children. I guess what I am saying is that you can't make the decisions for your children all the time. You can suggest,guide and hope for the best. They still have to choose which way they are going to go. Just as a note on my youngest son. About 3 months ago he became ill and was told that he had diabetes. All the docs were scratching their collective heads. You just don't drop 150 lbs and become diabetic! He was sent to an endocronoligist (sp?) who said that he was Type I diabetic and that he would have become diabetic with or without the surgery. She told us that he was very lucky that he had already had the surgery and that if he had not already had it she would have suggested it. Now the thing that scares me most was what she said next...that IF he had NOT had the surgery that he would have probably died when his body attacked his pancreaus (sp?). We are looking at the insulin pump for him and as of now he is doing great. We are just very thankful that his angel was watching over him and that he is back to being himself again! Reba in AL > This is a constant issue in our family as well, and it's both interesting and > heartbreaking to watch. My 14 y.o. has PCOS, and a fairly serious weight > issue (she is 5'6 " - 205 lbs.). We've never had anything but non- fat milk, > we don't drink sodas, if she drinks them out - they're diet. She reads the > labels, makes usually good food choices, goes to the gym with me. I've never > seen anything like it. She just doesn't lose weight. Talk about an > inherited metabolism! We don't use the word diet in the house, and she has > grown up with an extremely healthy attitude about her appearance and size, > and the importance looks play in the grand scheme of things. > > I think it has done her damage to see me be a bit more obsessive about my own > weight and size, but she's holding her own. This kid's doing everything > right, but I have committed to her that if things don't level out with the > PCOS and diabetes, we will look into surgery after she's 18. > > I have a younger daughter with no weight and metabolism issues at all. Go > figure. > > Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2002 Report Share Posted August 31, 2002 My daughter will be 6 in a few weeks and I have been dealing with the food thing with her for quite some time. She is me and food calls to her all the time. My son, he'll eat when he feels the need. Will probably always be naturally slim like my older brother (who by the way weighs more than I do now. LOL) Anyway, my daughter Leah knows and understands the phrase, " anything in moderation is ok " . She knows that she can have cookies, ice cream, chips, etc., but not more than one helping and not everyday. She loves my protein shakes and helps me drink them and she likes the bars too, so I give the high protein bars to her for a snack at school a few days a week. I don't want to push my food issues on her and most of the time it works, but when my soon to be 11 year old niece comes in the house I panic when I see her. She is well over 200 pounds and wears a size 18 in women's clothes. I fear for my daughter when I see this kid., but my brother and his ex-wife do nothing to help her. The best any of us could hope for for our children is that they grow up happy and healthy. My daughter will never be a tall, lanky size 3 and that's ok, it's not in her genetic gene pool. But it is in her to be an average height women of an average weight and clothing size. What I'm trying to accomplish is to guide her along now, while I still can, so that she will make good food choices for herself in the future. I wish everyone out there who is concerned about their child's weight luck. We're all walking a fine line. My brother thinks that I'm creating a future bulimic or anorexic. I told him what I'm trying to create is an independent, confident daughter who will grow up knowing what is right for her. I also pray every night that she won't someday end up on an operating table having her guts rearranged like I did. Though it was the right choice for me, I hope it never gets that far for her to have to even consider it. Take care. Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 Regina wrote: < > I'm not criticizing you here, just wondering about this. I have heard that too much protein can be bad for children, can damage their kidneys or something. Have you checked with her pediatrician about her sharing your protein drinks or bars? I'd be afraid to give them to someone as young as 6 without checking with their doctor first. " FarAwayDeb " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2002 Report Share Posted September 1, 2002 and All-thanks so much for all the great ideas!I really agree that at 15,she has to make all her own choices about what she's eating(and drinking)-except the meals I cook at home.I've been using WW recipes and such-trying to keep things light.Dad here also forgets himself and buys treats that none of us need-so we talk about serving sizes and how many points she'll have to use if she chooses to eat whatever.Sodas are a BIG downfall-be glad you haven't started that habit with your 5 yr old!I'm also wondering if getting her to drink just one protien shake a day would help with hunger.Maybe after school. Beal 2/09/01 273/147I struggle with my 5 year old because I already made all the big mistakes with my 22 year old on the whole weight thing... I think one of the real issues dieting kids face (or, we as parents face) is to 1.) not pass on our own issues with food and 2.) their bodies are still growing so they " need " stuff more than a full grown adult needs to help with all that " inside " growth going on... I took mine off of whole milk and she never noticed (thank goodness) I threw out the " fruit roll-ups " and offer dry cheerios but she would rather eat chips -- I switched to the " baked " chips, low fat and she didn't notice -- the ice cream went to sugar free pop cycles and no sugar added fudge cycles -- she didn't complain. So far she hasn't gotten into the " soda " grove but knows water is a healthy choice and their is always plenty of that in the fridge. I have an older version of the WW cookbook and have used several things from there to make some tasty meals for my (heart patient) husband and 'growing' 5 year old... I've looked through the 'snacks' part of the cook book and saw some pretty good looking stuff. I think the deal with teenagers is not only that it is so difficult to " watch " everything they eat but we shouldn't (even though the temptation is there to " help " them) If a 15 year old girl is doing WW then she's going to have to do it for herself and do it alone. BUT -- as mom's we can, in a round about way, help... we don't buy soda so at least they have to go to some extra trouble to " get " it... we can also use Saturday morning to take them to the grocery store and " learn together " how to read labels... with some recipe in hand -- buy what we need -- (laughing and having fun) and come home and cook a healthy choice " snack " and or " meal " (quality time) It is so hard with teenagers because they really really DO need to eat more than adults but they need more of the " right " foods and that's where the hard part comes in. Also, after marching in band I'm guessing she is probably REAL hungry post doing that and a " quick " something to eat is going to be first choice -- maybe using the WW frozen meals here is a thought so she can still count her points things and get something " filling " Believe me -- as I watch my 22 year old follow every possible eating disorder that I ever had and adding her own variations I am NO expert and I really have no idea what " TO " but I have a pretty good idea about what not to do. My 22 year old told me not long ago that she remembers one Thanksgiving (she was probably about 8 our so) when she reached for a second roll I leaned over and whispered to her that if she ate that she would be as fat as her cousin sitting across the table from us.... That's what she remembers about that Thanksgiving... when she shared that with me I told her... You know I was at the time thinking I was helping you but what I said and did was harmful to you... you do know that? (She has a little girl too now...) But, she said " no mom, I'd have eaten that roll if you didn't tell me that... it was helping me...) She still believes that And, I am VERY sorry I did that to her but I can't take it back. ~smile~ I got the habits honestly from my own mom and added my own sicknesses to them over the years and passed them down to my daughter who is 22 now and fighting her battle with obesity.... Now comes my 5 year old and do I know what to do? NO.... duh... I only know what not to do and not much of that -- I put " chips " in smaller baggies when we get home so she won't eat half a bag -- she gets a " snack size " I keep sodas and such out of the house as best I can -- she does ask me about my own eating and she uses the term " healthy choice " A LOT -- she knows some candy and snacks are not healthy choices but it is ok to have them on special occasions (moderation, not forbidden) I keep fresh fruit as much as possible and in the evenings make a (great " looking " ) fruit plate for the family to munch on (they think it is a real treat) when I have more time on the week-end I'll make a meat-roll-up snack tray where I just roll up lunch meat with cheese and cut it in bite sizes and stick those fun tooth picks through it... maybe with an olive or pickle slice... Some of the grocery stores even offer those smaller " trays " of veggies and/or meat and when I don't have time I buy one for a " treat " and I use the word " treat " or " special treat " and words like that to describe healthy choice foods for them and they sort of buy it most the time... Not always.... my husband still runs up to the store and buys real ice cream, real chocolate and comes home and makes the two of them a big ice cream sunday -- but, even HE has learned to say.... This is really a very special " just for us " treat (making a big deal out of it as a treat...) My hope is that we never have to say " diet " and that we'll know the difference between " treats for special occasions " and " healthy choices " and that no food is " bad " (because, when it is bad you KNOW it becomes decadent ~smile~ and who can pass on that when your feeling blue....) One other thing we've been doing is when our 5 year old is " digging around in the kitchen " I call her to me and ask her for a hug... we hug, I try to talk about a subject about her (her favorite topic...) and then I ask if she is hungry and if she still says yes then I try to fix her a sandwich or something healthy rather than her grabbing a bag of chips. NO, I don't have the time to do that 24/7 but I try to do it as often as possible... None of us is perfect and we are going to make mistakes and teenagers are particularly difficult because they " look " grown on the outside but are still growing so much bone and organ and muscle on the inside... and, we can't watch them 24/7 and it is time for them to be responsible about their choices -- BUT, they should also be as educated about what their insides need to be well nourished so they grow " healthy " at the same time they are growing thinner (HUM.... just like US!!!!) ~smile~ hugz, ~denise --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 > Thanks for the warning. I will do some research protein and children. Researching is always good and checking with the doctor to make sure your ok (I checked to see about going from whole to skim milk -- she was all for it even though her weight was totally in the 50 percentile range = very average) On protein her doctor was even fine with her drinking a " whey " protein shake a day (1/2 dose type, 15 grams) or soy but she was not ok with heavy dosing the whole family on meat proteins... she said it was hard on the kidneys where whey (milk) and soy soy are not only not meat proteins but also don't have the fats so she said go for it -- unfortunately, the few times I've tried she won't drink them -- she doesn't like milk shakes or malts though of the regular kind so I'm not surprised and she won't go near a protein bar but she doesn't like candy bars either so... no surprise there either. When I try her on these new foods or drinks I don't talk about it -- usually she just tastes mine (that's how kids do) and makes a YUCK face -- she did taste one of my vanilla powders by just sticking her finger in it and liked it that way... LOL... I think some of my most fond memories were in the kitchen with my mom and with my grandma -- with my older kids we did a lot of in the kitchen stuff too and they enjoyed cooking with me -- my 5 year old enjoys cooking with me too -- that we cook differently now than we did 20 years ago really doesn't seem to matter to her (she wouldn't know anything about adding old fashioned sugar to stuff... she thinks Splenda IS sugar.. lol) HUH... that's going to be a shocker for her when she discovers that sugar comes in those 5 lb bags and not in yellow boxes!!! oh... I digressed... sorry... was just going to say do the research on the " type " of protein since they are very different in nature. hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 > Thanks for the warning. I will do some research protein and children. Researching is always good and checking with the doctor to make sure your ok (I checked to see about going from whole to skim milk -- she was all for it even though her weight was totally in the 50 percentile range = very average) On protein her doctor was even fine with her drinking a " whey " protein shake a day (1/2 dose type, 15 grams) or soy but she was not ok with heavy dosing the whole family on meat proteins... she said it was hard on the kidneys where whey (milk) and soy soy are not only not meat proteins but also don't have the fats so she said go for it -- unfortunately, the few times I've tried she won't drink them -- she doesn't like milk shakes or malts though of the regular kind so I'm not surprised and she won't go near a protein bar but she doesn't like candy bars either so... no surprise there either. When I try her on these new foods or drinks I don't talk about it -- usually she just tastes mine (that's how kids do) and makes a YUCK face -- she did taste one of my vanilla powders by just sticking her finger in it and liked it that way... LOL... I think some of my most fond memories were in the kitchen with my mom and with my grandma -- with my older kids we did a lot of in the kitchen stuff too and they enjoyed cooking with me -- my 5 year old enjoys cooking with me too -- that we cook differently now than we did 20 years ago really doesn't seem to matter to her (she wouldn't know anything about adding old fashioned sugar to stuff... she thinks Splenda IS sugar.. lol) HUH... that's going to be a shocker for her when she discovers that sugar comes in those 5 lb bags and not in yellow boxes!!! oh... I digressed... sorry... was just going to say do the research on the " type " of protein since they are very different in nature. hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 > Thanks for the warning. I will do some research protein and children. Researching is always good and checking with the doctor to make sure your ok (I checked to see about going from whole to skim milk -- she was all for it even though her weight was totally in the 50 percentile range = very average) On protein her doctor was even fine with her drinking a " whey " protein shake a day (1/2 dose type, 15 grams) or soy but she was not ok with heavy dosing the whole family on meat proteins... she said it was hard on the kidneys where whey (milk) and soy soy are not only not meat proteins but also don't have the fats so she said go for it -- unfortunately, the few times I've tried she won't drink them -- she doesn't like milk shakes or malts though of the regular kind so I'm not surprised and she won't go near a protein bar but she doesn't like candy bars either so... no surprise there either. When I try her on these new foods or drinks I don't talk about it -- usually she just tastes mine (that's how kids do) and makes a YUCK face -- she did taste one of my vanilla powders by just sticking her finger in it and liked it that way... LOL... I think some of my most fond memories were in the kitchen with my mom and with my grandma -- with my older kids we did a lot of in the kitchen stuff too and they enjoyed cooking with me -- my 5 year old enjoys cooking with me too -- that we cook differently now than we did 20 years ago really doesn't seem to matter to her (she wouldn't know anything about adding old fashioned sugar to stuff... she thinks Splenda IS sugar.. lol) HUH... that's going to be a shocker for her when she discovers that sugar comes in those 5 lb bags and not in yellow boxes!!! oh... I digressed... sorry... was just going to say do the research on the " type " of protein since they are very different in nature. hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Regina, I make my protein shakes with a diet soda. I know it sounds nuts, but I wanted to stay away from milk and couldn't tolerate the water. So, in a very large glass, I use a 12oz can of diet cream soda, diet root beer or anything I happen to have. One scoop of powder and ice cubes and blend like crazy. (watch out because it really foams up - use large glass) You would not believe how flavorful it is. No extra calories either. Give it a try! jcs Judy Chattanooga Helping my daughter FarawayDeb: Yes, I have checked with my daughter's doctor regarding the shakes and protein bars. I should stand corrected though, I don't give her the high protein/low car bars. I give her the Zone Bars which have 15-18 gr of protein and approximately 18 gr of carbs. The Designer Protein Bars I don't give her. When she does have a shake with me, it's a few times per week. I use varying ones, but mostly Designer Protein. I make it with 4 oz of milk and 4 oz of water (trying to get to all water, just don't like it yet) and also freeze milk in ice cube trays and put two cubes in the shakes. Makes them nice and thick like a real ice cream shake that I crave from time to time. Her doctor said that it was fine with him and didn't seem send up any warning flags to me in regards to the high protein. Like I said, it's not an everyday thing, it's a few times a week thing. Maybe that's why he said it was ok. Thanks for the warning. I will do some research protein and children. Regards, Regina Block Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2002 Report Share Posted September 3, 2002 In a message dated 9/2/2002 6:10:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcraigsmith@... writes: > I make my protein shakes with a diet soda. Hey this isn't nuts - I do it too. My favorites are the vanilla powder mixed with either root beer or orange soda. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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