Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 In a message dated 9/15/2002 2:36:20 AM Central Standard Time, tuesdynite@... writes: > but boy, am I familiar with the above sleep > syndrome! Is anyone else having the same sleep problems? And any idea what > causes it? My whole routine has been just crazy since WLS. Sometimes I'm > zonking out at 8pm and then other times I'm up til 3 or 4am. When I wake up > > after a couple, three hours, I try to FORCE myself to get in a full 8 hrs > Okay, I am sitting here reading this at 4:22 a.m. , thinking ME TOO. How many times since WLS have I done this? I need point out that at bedtime last night somewhere about 10-10:30 I took my usual two Tylenol PM along with ..25 mg Xanax and went to sleep. IF I do not do that then sleep does not occur for hours and hours. But I have the four hour pattern, then fatigue, etc. As I think about it, even during my twenty year military career " lights out " in barracks and on ships was a terrifying experience for me as I did not sleep well. I am not sure this has anything to do with WLS in my case when I consider the many years that I have been aware of it. I had sleep study before WLS and had severe obstructive sleep apnea, then had two more post WLS when the patterns did not go away but the studies showed the apnea had. I had just read something the other day sent to me by a non WLS friends about changing moods, sleep patterns etc that had to do with chemical sweet spots and it being related to nutritive supplememtation or a chemical imbalance. I am not sure. I am sure that it is a lifelong pattern for me. It was there before the weight, there with the weight, and still here after the weight. I too wake thinking EAT. During the rapid weight loss phase I would kick into hypoglycemia at the drop of the hat, so I think tht there is something to the body;s anticipation of food and the output of insulin anticipating that. It is interesting to consider that what some of us may " think " is late dumping could be related to that. Thanks for this thread, I always thought it was a problem unique for me. I do not have answers, but I think it also relates to the mis-diagnosis of Bipolar II in me last year, mood swings, and perhaps a contributing factor in the heart downward spiral. Of course I have a positive family/sibiling history which goes into that quotient as well. Just makes me think that the studies of obesity and related co-morbs have not been done very well or been so mechanically oriiented and socially mis-directed that NOTHING is really known about the complexities of each of us that contribute to MO in the first place and especially during the popst OP period. Too much focus is on lbs gone which is the apparent success marker for the surgeons and bought into by so many of us who pray for an end to the torment of WLS. We have miles to go before we sleep, and miles to go before we sleep, methinks. Just wanted to throw out that this is one more of those crucial points when I think that a national association of WLS folks could " throw a lot of lost weight around " in bringing about the right focus for our health needs. I am still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) Dan Slone Surgery 5/2/2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 And just because I can't be like anyone else, the opposite has happened to me. I used to be up several times a night- sleep an hour and a half or two and then up to get something to eat (stuff in the cabinets would walk down the hall, tap me on my shoulder until I awoke, and beg me to eat it), smoke (quit 3 years ago), go to bathroom, and just generally check out the house. My daughter used to say that mom was patrolling the house- they couldn't sneak in or out never knowing when I had been up last. I would average about 6 hours sleep a night, stayed up late, got up early. But then comes WLS and lo, and behold- I now sleep 8 to 8 1/2 hours a night and never wake even to use the bathroom until...I was put on insulin again a week ago. The first three nights I was up at 2 am sweating, shaking, heart racing and unable to breathe. Reduced the amount of insulin and now I'm up at around 3:30 to use the bathroom. Strange, ain't it? Has to be connected to the insulin but how I don't know. Alice The Loon RNY 12/28/00 > In a message dated 9/15/2002 2:36:20 AM Central Standard Time, > tuesdynite@a... writes: ....but boy, am I familiar with the above sleep syndrome! Is anyone else having the same sleep problems? And any idea what causes it? My whole routine has been just crazy since WLS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 I am still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) ********************************* Dan, What about a NORMAN Rae? Hummmm??? You write so eloquently. Just a thought. I would definitely join a National Organization for WSL patients. Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 I am still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) ********************************* Dan, What about a NORMAN Rae? Hummmm??? You write so eloquently. Just a thought. I would definitely join a National Organization for WSL patients. Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 >>> I too wake thinking EAT.<<<<< This is where mine differs from you guys. However, it is no different than pre-op for me. That time that I wake up to trek down the hall is my guilt time. I may be only awake for 3 minutes, but guilt about what I ate is the first waking sensation I have. Doesn't matter if it was a day full of innocence, I have guilt. If it is strong enough, that's when I am awake and may as well just read or write. Sigh.. M Screwy Sleep Patterns > In a message dated 9/15/2002 2:36:20 AM Central Standard Time, > tuesdynite@... writes: > > > > but boy, am I familiar with the above sleep > > syndrome! Is anyone else having the same sleep problems? And any idea what > > causes it? My whole routine has been just crazy since WLS. Sometimes I'm > > zonking out at 8pm and then other times I'm up til 3 or 4am. When I wake up > > > > after a couple, three hours, I try to FORCE myself to get in a full 8 hrs > > > > > Okay, I am sitting here reading this at 4:22 a.m. , thinking ME TOO. How > many times since WLS have I done this? I need point out that at bedtime > last night somewhere about 10-10:30 I took my usual two Tylenol PM along with > .25 mg Xanax and went to sleep. IF I do not do that then sleep does not > occur for hours and hours. But I have the four hour pattern, then fatigue, > etc. > > As I think about it, even during my twenty year military career " lights out " > in barracks and on ships was a terrifying experience for me as I did not > sleep well. I am not sure this has anything to do with WLS in my case when I > consider the many years that I have been aware of it. I had sleep study > before WLS and had severe obstructive sleep apnea, then had two more post WLS > when the patterns did not go away but the studies showed the apnea had. I > had just read something the other day sent to me by a non WLS friends about > changing moods, sleep patterns etc that had to do with chemical sweet spots > and it being related to nutritive supplememtation or a chemical imbalance. I > am not sure. I am sure that it is a lifelong pattern for me. It was there > before the weight, there with the weight, and still here after the weight. > > I too wake thinking EAT. During the rapid weight loss phase I would kick > into hypoglycemia at the drop of the hat, so I think tht there is something > to the body;s anticipation of food and the output of insulin anticipating > that. It is interesting to consider that what some of us may " think " is late > dumping could be related to that. Thanks for this thread, I always thought > it was a problem unique for me. I do not have answers, but I think it also > relates to the mis-diagnosis of Bipolar II in me last year, mood swings, and > perhaps a contributing factor in the heart downward spiral. Of course I > have a positive family/sibiling history which goes into that quotient as > well. > > Just makes me think that the studies of obesity and related co-morbs have not > been done very well or been so mechanically oriiented and socially > mis-directed that NOTHING is really known about the complexities of each of > us that contribute to MO in the first place and especially during the popst > OP period. Too much focus is on lbs gone which is the apparent success > marker for the surgeons and bought into by so many of us who pray for an end > to the torment of WLS. We have miles to go before we sleep, and miles to go > before we sleep, methinks. > > Just wanted to throw out that this is one more of those crucial points when I > think that a national association of WLS folks could " throw a lot of lost > weight around " in bringing about the right focus for our health needs. I am > still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) > > Dan Slone > Surgery 5/2/2000 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 >>> I too wake thinking EAT.<<<<< This is where mine differs from you guys. However, it is no different than pre-op for me. That time that I wake up to trek down the hall is my guilt time. I may be only awake for 3 minutes, but guilt about what I ate is the first waking sensation I have. Doesn't matter if it was a day full of innocence, I have guilt. If it is strong enough, that's when I am awake and may as well just read or write. Sigh.. M Screwy Sleep Patterns > In a message dated 9/15/2002 2:36:20 AM Central Standard Time, > tuesdynite@... writes: > > > > but boy, am I familiar with the above sleep > > syndrome! Is anyone else having the same sleep problems? And any idea what > > causes it? My whole routine has been just crazy since WLS. Sometimes I'm > > zonking out at 8pm and then other times I'm up til 3 or 4am. When I wake up > > > > after a couple, three hours, I try to FORCE myself to get in a full 8 hrs > > > > > Okay, I am sitting here reading this at 4:22 a.m. , thinking ME TOO. How > many times since WLS have I done this? I need point out that at bedtime > last night somewhere about 10-10:30 I took my usual two Tylenol PM along with > .25 mg Xanax and went to sleep. IF I do not do that then sleep does not > occur for hours and hours. But I have the four hour pattern, then fatigue, > etc. > > As I think about it, even during my twenty year military career " lights out " > in barracks and on ships was a terrifying experience for me as I did not > sleep well. I am not sure this has anything to do with WLS in my case when I > consider the many years that I have been aware of it. I had sleep study > before WLS and had severe obstructive sleep apnea, then had two more post WLS > when the patterns did not go away but the studies showed the apnea had. I > had just read something the other day sent to me by a non WLS friends about > changing moods, sleep patterns etc that had to do with chemical sweet spots > and it being related to nutritive supplememtation or a chemical imbalance. I > am not sure. I am sure that it is a lifelong pattern for me. It was there > before the weight, there with the weight, and still here after the weight. > > I too wake thinking EAT. During the rapid weight loss phase I would kick > into hypoglycemia at the drop of the hat, so I think tht there is something > to the body;s anticipation of food and the output of insulin anticipating > that. It is interesting to consider that what some of us may " think " is late > dumping could be related to that. Thanks for this thread, I always thought > it was a problem unique for me. I do not have answers, but I think it also > relates to the mis-diagnosis of Bipolar II in me last year, mood swings, and > perhaps a contributing factor in the heart downward spiral. Of course I > have a positive family/sibiling history which goes into that quotient as > well. > > Just makes me think that the studies of obesity and related co-morbs have not > been done very well or been so mechanically oriiented and socially > mis-directed that NOTHING is really known about the complexities of each of > us that contribute to MO in the first place and especially during the popst > OP period. Too much focus is on lbs gone which is the apparent success > marker for the surgeons and bought into by so many of us who pray for an end > to the torment of WLS. We have miles to go before we sleep, and miles to go > before we sleep, methinks. > > Just wanted to throw out that this is one more of those crucial points when I > think that a national association of WLS folks could " throw a lot of lost > weight around " in bringing about the right focus for our health needs. I am > still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) > > Dan Slone > Surgery 5/2/2000 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 HEY! Now THERE is a good idea, Norman! RE: Screwy Sleep Patterns > I am still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) > ********************************* > Dan, What about a NORMAN Rae? Hummmm??? You write so eloquently. Just a > thought. I would definitely join a National Organization for WSL > patients. > > Debbie in Gig Harbor > ladybostons@... > www.paws2print.com > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 HEY! Now THERE is a good idea, Norman! RE: Screwy Sleep Patterns > I am still looking for Norma Rae and she is never around when needed :-) > ********************************* > Dan, What about a NORMAN Rae? Hummmm??? You write so eloquently. Just a > thought. I would definitely join a National Organization for WSL > patients. > > Debbie in Gig Harbor > ladybostons@... > www.paws2print.com > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 HEY! Now THERE is a good idea, Norman!************* HEY it is NICE to know that occasionally the BRAIN cells still funtion.........some what. SOOOOOO all in favor of Dan Slone as Norman Rae........raise your hand!!!! {{{{{{{{raising HAND very HIGH}}}}}}}}} Sorry Dan. LOL Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 HEY! Now THERE is a good idea, Norman!************* HEY it is NICE to know that occasionally the BRAIN cells still funtion.........some what. SOOOOOO all in favor of Dan Slone as Norman Rae........raise your hand!!!! {{{{{{{{raising HAND very HIGH}}}}}}}}} Sorry Dan. LOL Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 I vote Dan as Norman Rae:) Hugs, from GA open RNY 12/12/00 Revision 04/18/01 Revision 02/07/02 St wt.... 392 Cw.......187 Wt loss..-205 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 I don't have the expertise but I run a local group and would love to HELP start a national group.....(I hear my husband going " you would love to do WHAT?????) Marjie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 I don't have the expertise but I run a local group and would love to HELP start a national group.....(I hear my husband going " you would love to do WHAT?????) Marjie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 I don't have the expertise but I run a local group and would love to HELP start a national group.....(I hear my husband going " you would love to do WHAT?????) Marjie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 , Re: waking up a lot during the night, then needing to take naps during the day. You might want to see a doctor who specializes in sleep disorders and get a sleep test. Also I have been told that Email and TV are the worst when you wake up in the middle of the night. The brightness of the screens is bad news. Better to read a book or something on that order. But seriously, something is causing you to wake up -- could be restless legs syndrome, some medication that affects your sleep, sleep apnea, etc. Decongestants can be a problem ex.. Allegra D esp. if taken before bed because they tend to wake people up. Your GP can probably review your medications. If that doesn't help get thee to a doctor who can do a sleep test. Good luck! -- Gigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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