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I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that

in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts

against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was

speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy

has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

neurotransmitters.

The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the

glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time

since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and

doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it

can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still

seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if

taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't

think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed

either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you

disagreed with.

Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol

when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice.

You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

Ron Ritch

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I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that

in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts

against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was

speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy

has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

neurotransmitters.

The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the

glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time

since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and

doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it

can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still

seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if

taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't

think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed

either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you

disagreed with.

Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol

when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice.

You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

Ron Ritch

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Mitch;

Aspirin has been around longer (as willow bark) and has a good track

record as long as you tolerate it well - luckily I do. Anything you

might have come accross with ASA and neurotransmitters??

At Sunday 5/19/02 12:41 AM, you wrote:

I have been duely taken down for my

remarks about Tylenol. It is true that

in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it

acts

against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I

was

speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where

autopsy

has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

neurotransmitters.

The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase

the

glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of

time

since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream)

and

doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote

(it

can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it

still

seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other

if

taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I

don't

think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and

disputed

either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part

you

disagreed with.

Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than

Tylenol

when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my

choice.

You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

Ron Ritch

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Mitch;

Aspirin has been around longer (as willow bark) and has a good track

record as long as you tolerate it well - luckily I do. Anything you

might have come accross with ASA and neurotransmitters??

At Sunday 5/19/02 12:41 AM, you wrote:

I have been duely taken down for my

remarks about Tylenol. It is true that

in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it

acts

against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I

was

speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where

autopsy

has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

neurotransmitters.

The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase

the

glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of

time

since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream)

and

doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote

(it

can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it

still

seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other

if

taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I

don't

think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and

disputed

either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part

you

disagreed with.

Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than

Tylenol

when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my

choice.

You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

Ron Ritch

If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

shydrager-unsubscribe

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Ron,

I wish I understood all that you were talking about but I don't. I am

the first to admit I don't know a lot about what might hurt me or

help me. I wish I did but for some reason I have a hard time

understanding things more than I use to. I guess it has something to

do with all the brain cells that I have lost. My doctor said he

didn't know of anything that could help me and to try anything I

wanted to because you never know. Glutathione is this something I can

take to help me? I have CBGD and not MSA according to my doctor which

does affect the brain more than MSA. Any suggestion you might have I

do appreciate. I do know that alot of times CBGD is misdiagnosed when

it should be PSP. You might ask me why I am in this group instead of

CBGD and it because I feel better in this group. These people are

very caring and we do dispute what others say at times but it isn't

to put someone down it is to express our opinions to your opinions.

We all know the saying that opinions are like a..h... we all have one.

It is fortuneate enough that we all can express ours. I think I

welcomed you to this group but if I didn't I am glad you are here.

God bless,

Belinda

> I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is

true that

> in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that

it acts

> against the manufacture of by the liver and that is what I was

> speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where

autopsy

> has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

> sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

> neurotransmitters.

>

> The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to

increase the

> glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of

time

> since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the

bloodstream) and

> doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the

antidote (it

> can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it

still

> seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each

other if

> taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

> glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

>

> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I

don't

> think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and

disputed

> either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a

part you

> disagreed with.

>

> Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather

than Tylenol

> when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my

choice.

>

> You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

>

>

> Ron Ritch

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Ron,

I wish I understood all that you were talking about but I don't. I am

the first to admit I don't know a lot about what might hurt me or

help me. I wish I did but for some reason I have a hard time

understanding things more than I use to. I guess it has something to

do with all the brain cells that I have lost. My doctor said he

didn't know of anything that could help me and to try anything I

wanted to because you never know. Glutathione is this something I can

take to help me? I have CBGD and not MSA according to my doctor which

does affect the brain more than MSA. Any suggestion you might have I

do appreciate. I do know that alot of times CBGD is misdiagnosed when

it should be PSP. You might ask me why I am in this group instead of

CBGD and it because I feel better in this group. These people are

very caring and we do dispute what others say at times but it isn't

to put someone down it is to express our opinions to your opinions.

We all know the saying that opinions are like a..h... we all have one.

It is fortuneate enough that we all can express ours. I think I

welcomed you to this group but if I didn't I am glad you are here.

God bless,

Belinda

> I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is

true that

> in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that

it acts

> against the manufacture of by the liver and that is what I was

> speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where

autopsy

> has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a

> sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all

> neurotransmitters.

>

> The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to

increase the

> glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of

time

> since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the

bloodstream) and

> doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the

antidote (it

> can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it

still

> seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each

other if

> taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase

> glutathione and/or acetylcysteine.

>

> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I

don't

> think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and

disputed

> either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a

part you

> disagreed with.

>

> Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather

than Tylenol

> when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my

choice.

>

> You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion.

>

>

> Ron Ritch

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Greetings Ron!

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention:

> Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it

> still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to

> neutralize each other if taken at the same time.

Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that

was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that

had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for

reminding me of this.

> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so

> I'm sorry.

I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make

proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU

for taking the time to explain yourself.

> But I don't think parts of my message need to be

> taken out of context and disputed either. Consider

> what I said in the complete message not just in a

> part you disagreed with.

Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific

community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true.

Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the

conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and

myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That

is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is

the real McCoy, or just a placebo.

Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency

to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will

be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the

data. And so on.

Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and

screamed for the need for evidence.

Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so?

Probably note.

> Personally I feel better using a different pain

> reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone

> with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice.

Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can

not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their

lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and

understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact.

Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does

not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But

for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on

the package.

My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to

ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion.

Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this.

Regards,

=jbf=

B. Fisher

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Ron and :

Thank you both for your adherence to principles. In particular, I repeat

's next to last sentence for its importance:

" However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for

'truth', not just opinion. "

If more in this world would do this we would all be better off.

Message: 12

Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:50:05 -0400

Subject: RE: Digest Number 1492

Greetings Ron!

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention:

> Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it

> still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to

> neutralize each other if taken at the same time.

Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that

was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that

had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for

reminding me of this.

> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so

> I'm sorry.

I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make

proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU

for taking the time to explain yourself.

> But I don't think parts of my message need to be

> taken out of context and disputed either. Consider

> what I said in the complete message not just in a

> part you disagreed with.

Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific

community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true.

Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the

conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and

myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That

is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is

the real McCoy, or just a placebo.

Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency

to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will

be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the

data. And so on.

Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and

screamed for the need for evidence.

Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so?

Probably note.

> Personally I feel better using a different pain

> reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone

> with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice.

Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can

not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their

lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and

understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact.

Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does

not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But

for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on

the package.

My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to

ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion.

Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this.

Regards,

=jbf=

B. Fisher

Sennewald Charlottesville, Virginia

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Ron and :

Thank you both for your adherence to principles. In particular, I repeat

's next to last sentence for its importance:

" However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for

'truth', not just opinion. "

If more in this world would do this we would all be better off.

Message: 12

Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:50:05 -0400

Subject: RE: Digest Number 1492

Greetings Ron!

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention:

> Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it

> still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to

> neutralize each other if taken at the same time.

Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that

was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that

had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for

reminding me of this.

> Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so

> I'm sorry.

I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make

proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU

for taking the time to explain yourself.

> But I don't think parts of my message need to be

> taken out of context and disputed either. Consider

> what I said in the complete message not just in a

> part you disagreed with.

Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific

community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true.

Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the

conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and

myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That

is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is

the real McCoy, or just a placebo.

Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency

to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will

be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the

data. And so on.

Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and

screamed for the need for evidence.

Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so?

Probably note.

> Personally I feel better using a different pain

> reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone

> with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice.

Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can

not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their

lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and

understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact.

Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does

not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But

for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on

the package.

My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to

ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion.

Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this.

Regards,

=jbf=

B. Fisher

Sennewald Charlottesville, Virginia

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