Guest guest Posted June 11, 2000 Report Share Posted June 11, 2000 In a message dated 06/11/2000 1:21:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MiniGastricBypass (AT) e writes: << Add these to the 'Barf' List... >> Just one more.... Toss your cookies! lol Sharon In KY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2000 Report Share Posted June 11, 2000 In a message dated 06/11/2000 1:21:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MiniGastricBypass (AT) e writes: << Add these to the 'Barf' List... >> Just one more.... Toss your cookies! lol Sharon In KY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2000 Report Share Posted June 11, 2000 In a message dated 06/11/2000 1:21:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MiniGastricBypass (AT) e writes: << Add these to the 'Barf' List... >> Just one more.... Toss your cookies! lol Sharon In KY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all neurotransmitters. The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you disagreed with. Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. Ron Ritch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all neurotransmitters. The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you disagreed with. Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. Ron Ritch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 Mitch; Aspirin has been around longer (as willow bark) and has a good track record as long as you tolerate it well - luckily I do. Anything you might have come accross with ASA and neurotransmitters?? At Sunday 5/19/02 12:41 AM, you wrote: I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all neurotransmitters. The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you disagreed with. Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. Ron Ritch If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 Mitch; Aspirin has been around longer (as willow bark) and has a good track record as long as you tolerate it well - luckily I do. Anything you might have come accross with ASA and neurotransmitters?? At Sunday 5/19/02 12:41 AM, you wrote: I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts against the manufacture of glutathione by the liver and that is what I was speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all neurotransmitters. The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you disagreed with. Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. Ron Ritch If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 Ron, I wish I understood all that you were talking about but I don't. I am the first to admit I don't know a lot about what might hurt me or help me. I wish I did but for some reason I have a hard time understanding things more than I use to. I guess it has something to do with all the brain cells that I have lost. My doctor said he didn't know of anything that could help me and to try anything I wanted to because you never know. Glutathione is this something I can take to help me? I have CBGD and not MSA according to my doctor which does affect the brain more than MSA. Any suggestion you might have I do appreciate. I do know that alot of times CBGD is misdiagnosed when it should be PSP. You might ask me why I am in this group instead of CBGD and it because I feel better in this group. These people are very caring and we do dispute what others say at times but it isn't to put someone down it is to express our opinions to your opinions. We all know the saying that opinions are like a..h... we all have one. It is fortuneate enough that we all can express ours. I think I welcomed you to this group but if I didn't I am glad you are here. God bless, Belinda > I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that > in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts > against the manufacture of by the liver and that is what I was > speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy > has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a > sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all > neurotransmitters. > > The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the > glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time > since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and > doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it > can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still > seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if > taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase > glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. > > Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't > think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed > either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you > disagreed with. > > Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol > when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. > > You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. > > > Ron Ritch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 Ron, I wish I understood all that you were talking about but I don't. I am the first to admit I don't know a lot about what might hurt me or help me. I wish I did but for some reason I have a hard time understanding things more than I use to. I guess it has something to do with all the brain cells that I have lost. My doctor said he didn't know of anything that could help me and to try anything I wanted to because you never know. Glutathione is this something I can take to help me? I have CBGD and not MSA according to my doctor which does affect the brain more than MSA. Any suggestion you might have I do appreciate. I do know that alot of times CBGD is misdiagnosed when it should be PSP. You might ask me why I am in this group instead of CBGD and it because I feel better in this group. These people are very caring and we do dispute what others say at times but it isn't to put someone down it is to express our opinions to your opinions. We all know the saying that opinions are like a..h... we all have one. It is fortuneate enough that we all can express ours. I think I welcomed you to this group but if I didn't I am glad you are here. God bless, Belinda > I have been duely taken down for my remarks about Tylenol. It is true that > in normal dosages it is considered safe. But it is also true that it acts > against the manufacture of by the liver and that is what I was > speaking about. My remarks were about PSP which is a disease where autopsy > has indicated that there often is a high concentration of iron and a > sub-normal amount of dopamine, acetylcysteine and GABA - all > neurotransmitters. > > The comments were about the use of NAC or cysteine to try to increase the > glutathione in the brain. Taking glutathione directly is a waste of time > since it dissipates too quickly (before it can enter the bloodstream) and > doesn't get through the blood-brain barrier. Since NAC is the antidote (it > can save your life if taken quickly enough) to tylenol poisoning it still > seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to neutralize each other if > taken at the same time. This would defeat any attempt to increase > glutathione and/or acetylcysteine. > > Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so I'm sorry. But I don't > think parts of my message need to be taken out of context and disputed > either. Consider what I said in the complete message not just in a part you > disagreed with. > > Personally I feel better using a different pain reliever rather than Tylenol > when treating someone with PSP. I have that right and thats my choice. > > You have the same power of choice and right to your opinion. > > > Ron Ritch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2002 Report Share Posted May 19, 2002 Greetings Ron! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention: > Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it > still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to > neutralize each other if taken at the same time. Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for reminding me of this. > Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so > I'm sorry. I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU for taking the time to explain yourself. > But I don't think parts of my message need to be > taken out of context and disputed either. Consider > what I said in the complete message not just in a > part you disagreed with. Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true. Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is the real McCoy, or just a placebo. Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the data. And so on. Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and screamed for the need for evidence. Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so? Probably note. > Personally I feel better using a different pain > reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone > with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice. Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact. Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on the package. My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion. Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this. Regards, =jbf= B. Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Ron and : Thank you both for your adherence to principles. In particular, I repeat 's next to last sentence for its importance: " However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion. " If more in this world would do this we would all be better off. Message: 12 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:50:05 -0400 Subject: RE: Digest Number 1492 Greetings Ron! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention: > Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it > still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to > neutralize each other if taken at the same time. Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for reminding me of this. > Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so > I'm sorry. I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU for taking the time to explain yourself. > But I don't think parts of my message need to be > taken out of context and disputed either. Consider > what I said in the complete message not just in a > part you disagreed with. Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true. Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is the real McCoy, or just a placebo. Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the data. And so on. Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and screamed for the need for evidence. Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so? Probably note. > Personally I feel better using a different pain > reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone > with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice. Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact. Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on the package. My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion. Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this. Regards, =jbf= B. Fisher Sennewald Charlottesville, Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Ron and : Thank you both for your adherence to principles. In particular, I repeat 's next to last sentence for its importance: " However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion. " If more in this world would do this we would all be better off. Message: 12 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 16:50:05 -0400 Subject: RE: Digest Number 1492 Greetings Ron! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You mention: > Since NAC is the antidote ... to Tylenol poisoning it > still seems to me that NAC and Tylenol would tend to > neutralize each other if taken at the same time. Here, I suspect you are correct. I had forgotten that it was NAC that was the 'antidote' for Tylenol poisoning. (I had a family member that had to be treated for that). Your argument is logical. Thanks for reminding me of this. > Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough - if so > I'm sorry. I am sorry if I overreacted. We often have people that make proclamations of fact, when no evidence stands to back it. THANK YOU for taking the time to explain yourself. > But I don't think parts of my message need to be > taken out of context and disputed either. Consider > what I said in the complete message not just in a > part you disagreed with. Again you are correct. But I am very sick of the anti-scientific community that thinks if they say something long enough it is true. Facts should stand on their own. If the work is done well enough the conclusions should be obvious. For example, you will hear Bill Were and myself rail against data unless it is from a double blind study. That is, neither the patient, nor the researcher knows if the 'medication' is the real McCoy, or just a placebo. Why is this type of study necessary? Because it eliminates the tendency to skew the results of a study. If the medication is effective, it will be obvious from the data. If it is safe, it will be obvious from the data. And so on. Your note that it is unsafe (taken out of context) just jumped out and screamed for the need for evidence. Did I take it out of context. You betcha! Should I have done so? Probably note. > Personally I feel better using a different pain > reliever rather than Tylenol when treating someone > with PSP. I have that right and that's my choice. Yes you do have that right. I avoid all pain medications until I can not stand it. Why? Because I have seen too many people ruin their lives with pain medication. I choose based on my experience and understanding of the medication. But my choice does not equal fact. Yet in this case, you are correct. Out of context, your statement does not follow your intent. In context, yes .. Your argument is true. But for *most* people, the product is safe if we follow the directions on the package. My apologies if I overreacted. However, I will continue to try to ascertain that facts are presented for 'truth', not just opinion. Again, Thank You for taking me to task on this. Regards, =jbf= B. Fisher Sennewald Charlottesville, Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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