Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Lurkers are part of the grad list....they just don't post yet, so I personally would want to welcome anyone on the list who could attend. I also see it more as a social function than anything else, since people present so much information on this board already. I'm only here for the party! in Austin RNY April 1998 ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/2002 11:38:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, kkb1958@... writes: > my vote is for > Vegas, as there's so much more to do for adults and kids alike, we can get > really cheap package deals from all over the country I vote for Vegas too. How do I do that officially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/2002 11:38:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, kkb1958@... writes: > my vote is for > Vegas, as there's so much more to do for adults and kids alike, we can get > really cheap package deals from all over the country I vote for Vegas too. How do I do that officially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/2002 11:38:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, kkb1958@... writes: > my vote is for > Vegas, as there's so much more to do for adults and kids alike, we can get > really cheap package deals from all over the country I vote for Vegas too. How do I do that officially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 What month is everyone thinking about? NOT during the school year if possible -- June/July? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > I vote for Vegas too. How do I do that officially? > ****************** Good question! Just go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG/polls Just click on each question & vote. Then, if you scroll down, you'll see the results. Have fun! in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > I vote for Vegas too. How do I do that officially? > ****************** Good question! Just go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG/polls Just click on each question & vote. Then, if you scroll down, you'll see the results. Have fun! in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Dear Grads, Well, as a Vegasite (or local as we call it!) I of course cast an emphatic vote for Vegas! I know we have a few on this list who live in Las Vegas, or within 100 or so miles of me. Some thoughts on bringing this jubilee here (and that's what I think of it as....a WLS Jubilation!) Anyhow, unless you are used to the summer heat, there are some times of the year that are better than others. October and February are gorgeous here. Matter of fact, so far November has been pretty nice too! So far I haven't had to turn the heat on.....and that's a bonus. Ok, June, July and August while your typical vacation months are pretty hot. Generally though the heat may not be an issue if you are inside all the time! Right now is slow times for the hotels......things will pick up over Thanksgiving and from Christmas to New Years...then slow again. Now I'm thinking as I type so this may ramble somewhat...... Rooms are for the most part cheap here. Places like motel 6 are usually around $30 a night. The casino/hotels are more reasonable midweek than weekends. Most on the weekends insist on booking for Friday and Saturdays. A single night on the weekend is near impossible. Although the pictures you see of Vegas are all the strip, rooms are more reasonable downtown. I'm thinking of the Golden Nugget, Main Street Station, The Las Vegas Club, Binions, The Four Queens. Public transportation is easy. Downtown Vegas is a few blocks from the main bus depot. Also there are trolley cars that run to the strip too. IMHO, unless you are honeymooning....you mostly just need a room to store your stuff, shower and once in a while sleep. I don't think it would be a problem to put 4 people in one room either. Most rooms have 2 queen sized beds and will also supply a roll-a-way bed too if you ask. So that's another way to keep costs down. Meals are cheap...there are always specials and coupon books. Many of the casinos will include show tickets as part of a package or buy one get one free at the very least. We have great shopping here....the Forum at Caesars....Nordstrom's just opened at Fashion Show Mall, and we have Belz Outlet mall too! Places to go for more information would be www.lasvegas.com and of course most casinos have websites too! Check Southwest airlines for deals too. And for a variation on the Vegas thing may be Laughlin. It's hotter than Vegas and humid too. But it's about a 2 hour commute from Vegas to Laughlin (may be cheap for rooms) or Mesquite (about 90 miles north of town) Oh and also....there are plenty of places if you have an RV too! I'll do what I can to help coordinate this if the group decides on Vegas. But if I do.....oh dear, oh my.....I lost my tail ( I gotta be Eeyore!!! Sue in fabulous Las Vegas!! PS did I mention we also have the Hoover Dam, Valley of Fire, helicopter trips over the strip, a volcano, a pirate ship, white tigers and lots of boobie shows too! Re: Grad Convention > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Dear Grads, Well, as a Vegasite (or local as we call it!) I of course cast an emphatic vote for Vegas! I know we have a few on this list who live in Las Vegas, or within 100 or so miles of me. Some thoughts on bringing this jubilee here (and that's what I think of it as....a WLS Jubilation!) Anyhow, unless you are used to the summer heat, there are some times of the year that are better than others. October and February are gorgeous here. Matter of fact, so far November has been pretty nice too! So far I haven't had to turn the heat on.....and that's a bonus. Ok, June, July and August while your typical vacation months are pretty hot. Generally though the heat may not be an issue if you are inside all the time! Right now is slow times for the hotels......things will pick up over Thanksgiving and from Christmas to New Years...then slow again. Now I'm thinking as I type so this may ramble somewhat...... Rooms are for the most part cheap here. Places like motel 6 are usually around $30 a night. The casino/hotels are more reasonable midweek than weekends. Most on the weekends insist on booking for Friday and Saturdays. A single night on the weekend is near impossible. Although the pictures you see of Vegas are all the strip, rooms are more reasonable downtown. I'm thinking of the Golden Nugget, Main Street Station, The Las Vegas Club, Binions, The Four Queens. Public transportation is easy. Downtown Vegas is a few blocks from the main bus depot. Also there are trolley cars that run to the strip too. IMHO, unless you are honeymooning....you mostly just need a room to store your stuff, shower and once in a while sleep. I don't think it would be a problem to put 4 people in one room either. Most rooms have 2 queen sized beds and will also supply a roll-a-way bed too if you ask. So that's another way to keep costs down. Meals are cheap...there are always specials and coupon books. Many of the casinos will include show tickets as part of a package or buy one get one free at the very least. We have great shopping here....the Forum at Caesars....Nordstrom's just opened at Fashion Show Mall, and we have Belz Outlet mall too! Places to go for more information would be www.lasvegas.com and of course most casinos have websites too! Check Southwest airlines for deals too. And for a variation on the Vegas thing may be Laughlin. It's hotter than Vegas and humid too. But it's about a 2 hour commute from Vegas to Laughlin (may be cheap for rooms) or Mesquite (about 90 miles north of town) Oh and also....there are plenty of places if you have an RV too! I'll do what I can to help coordinate this if the group decides on Vegas. But if I do.....oh dear, oh my.....I lost my tail ( I gotta be Eeyore!!! Sue in fabulous Las Vegas!! PS did I mention we also have the Hoover Dam, Valley of Fire, helicopter trips over the strip, a volcano, a pirate ship, white tigers and lots of boobie shows too! Re: Grad Convention > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 The other thing to consider about June is that families with kids have weekend sports/tournaments in June and early July. Some schools aren't out until June 10th-ish which would rule out travel for some until after that. Maybe we could redo the time poll with just the months of June, July and August and see what the group thinks: and the location with the top three choices as well. We could add a question to see how long we want the get together to be. carolyn Re: Grad Convention > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 The other thing to consider about June is that families with kids have weekend sports/tournaments in June and early July. Some schools aren't out until June 10th-ish which would rule out travel for some until after that. Maybe we could redo the time poll with just the months of June, July and August and see what the group thinks: and the location with the top three choices as well. We could add a question to see how long we want the get together to be. carolyn Re: Grad Convention > Even though I did at first suggest Vegas, I would certainly be willing to go to Branson where I have never been. I know one thing, My parents 50th wedding anniversary is June 27th, and I have a high school reunion in June also (my 40th, whooooooh), I am going to Arrrrrrruuuuuuubbbbbbaaaaaaaa in May with some family members, so that won't be good. I just thought I'd put my two cents in. What month is everyone thinking about? Bobbie Lee > ********************** Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? That should definitely be a blackout week. Also, for those attending the ASBS convention, is it impossible for you also to shoot to Vegas for another week(end) in June, if that's what the majority chooses? And, if it is feasible for most of you, is it easier to try to schedule our party for immediately before or after theirs or would a week or 2 in between be preferred? Also, we only have 60-70 votes for each poll question. Come on people, we're pushing 3000 members here. Don't forget, all lurkers are welcome, too! So, get out there and vote! LOL in NJ Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > ********************** > Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first > choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said > the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? ************ I'd get up and check, but cat in my lap and you know the rules. It was a TENTATIVE date of the middle week, about the 17th. So, that leaves the front or the end of June, if you GOTTA have June. IT WAS 113 DEGREES IN VEGAS IN JUNE ------- ARE YOU ALL MAD? Washington State (or Oregon) is very nice in June, though. Trees, mountains, gray skies.... I mean BLUE skies, stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > ********************** > Well, I just checked the polls, and Vegas is far and away the first > choice. As for the month, June is in front, however, said > the ASBS convention is in June. , do you know the dates? ************ I'd get up and check, but cat in my lap and you know the rules. It was a TENTATIVE date of the middle week, about the 17th. So, that leaves the front or the end of June, if you GOTTA have June. IT WAS 113 DEGREES IN VEGAS IN JUNE ------- ARE YOU ALL MAD? Washington State (or Oregon) is very nice in June, though. Trees, mountains, gray skies.... I mean BLUE skies, stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/2002 11:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, dr4kids2@... writes: > The other thing to consider about June is that families with kids have > weekend sports/tournaments in June and early July. Some schools aren't out > until June 10th-ish which would rule out travel for some until after that. > Maybe we could redo the time poll with just the months of June, July and > August and see what the group thinks: ************************************ Well, I don't think we should rule out June completely just yet. After all, it is the #1 choice so far. I checked the ASBS website, and the convention is scheduled from June 17-22. That's the 3rd week in June. So, the next question is, for those who have to wait until their kids are out of school, when is the last day of school? Any of them ending in June? Also, as Sue said, the summer heat in the desert can get pretty intense. July may not be too bad, but August is probably a little rough. But, first things first. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/2002 11:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, dr4kids2@... writes: > The other thing to consider about June is that families with kids have > weekend sports/tournaments in June and early July. Some schools aren't out > until June 10th-ish which would rule out travel for some until after that. > Maybe we could redo the time poll with just the months of June, July and > August and see what the group thinks: ************************************ Well, I don't think we should rule out June completely just yet. After all, it is the #1 choice so far. I checked the ASBS website, and the convention is scheduled from June 17-22. That's the 3rd week in June. So, the next question is, for those who have to wait until their kids are out of school, when is the last day of school? Any of them ending in June? Also, as Sue said, the summer heat in the desert can get pretty intense. July may not be too bad, but August is probably a little rough. But, first things first. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 But for you, darling, into the plastic bubble, send me the key, 30 days before the date, oK? m Grad Convention > Hey all, somehow can't get on the Yahoo group to cast a vote. Will have > my husband, the Computer Kahuna look into it so I can cast my vote. This > is so exciting. : ) > > I'm pretty much with everyone else. Vegas sounds great, heck, anywhere > to me right now sounds great, but would prefer it in a month where it > is not so hot. Weather wise I'm middle of the road and don't like > extremes. Fall and spring are my favorite times of year. My life is so > full of extremes that I can't control, I at least try to control when I > go away on vacation. Whatever is decided on, just count me in. I'm not > going to let a little heat keep me away. Will probably come sans hubby > and children. > This is my weekend and feel it's ok to be selfish once in awhile. : ) > > Regina > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 In a message dated 11/12/2002 10:58:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, yahoodave@... writes: > Either month is fine with me, but both months have tax deadlines of one sort > or another on the 15th, so after the 15th of the month would make the > difference in me and other tax/accounting people being able to attend. > > Thanks > in Austin > RNY April 1998 ************************************ OK, maybe what we can do is mention all these concerns and the holiday dates when we have a final vote on dates after 11/30. I still don't know when school's out, but not just for the kids, I'm guessing we have a few teachers on here, too. Also, if we do get pushed into the hotter months, don't forget, the weather's been so wacky around the country (and world), we might just end up having a snow storm in Vegas this summer! LOL Sorry, Sue (I can see her freaking out), just trying to find the silver lining. ) in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Weekends might also be better for those who work as well...maybe only needing to take one day off rather than 3 or 4. That's saying if I ever get a job again!!! But I am hoping..otherwise, I will be thinking of ya'll from my home in economically depressed Silicon Valley Ca. Martha H Hill CA Re: Grad Convention > Hi again! > > Thank you to everyone who has voted! Right now, Vegas is pretty much > sewn up as the location, and June has 2 more votes than April. So, > the next question is if you have voted for location, but not the > month, please do so. We have 16 votes more for location than date, > but that may just mean people don't really care when it is. > > Also, just curious...for those with kids, anyone have school not > ending until June? And, if another month is chosen (say April), how > much of a hardship would it be for those with kids? I know that > midweek reservations are cheaper than weekends, but weekends would > certainly be better for those with kids, I would think. I don't have > kids, so you tell me, K? > > in NJ > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Hi again! Thank you to everyone who has voted! Right now, Vegas is pretty much sewn up as the location, and June has 2 more votes than April. So, the next question is if you have voted for location, but not the month, please do so. We have 16 votes more for location than date, but that may just mean people don't really care when it is. Also, just curious...for those with kids, anyone have school not ending until June? And, if another month is chosen (say April), how much of a hardship would it be for those with kids? I know that midweek reservations are cheaper than weekends, but weekends would certainly be better for those with kids, I would think. I don't have kids, so you tell me, K? in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Hi again! Thank you to everyone who has voted! Right now, Vegas is pretty much sewn up as the location, and June has 2 more votes than April. So, the next question is if you have voted for location, but not the month, please do so. We have 16 votes more for location than date, but that may just mean people don't really care when it is. Also, just curious...for those with kids, anyone have school not ending until June? And, if another month is chosen (say April), how much of a hardship would it be for those with kids? I know that midweek reservations are cheaper than weekends, but weekends would certainly be better for those with kids, I would think. I don't have kids, so you tell me, K? in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Hi again! Thank you to everyone who has voted! Right now, Vegas is pretty much sewn up as the location, and June has 2 more votes than April. So, the next question is if you have voted for location, but not the month, please do so. We have 16 votes more for location than date, but that may just mean people don't really care when it is. Also, just curious...for those with kids, anyone have school not ending until June? And, if another month is chosen (say April), how much of a hardship would it be for those with kids? I know that midweek reservations are cheaper than weekends, but weekends would certainly be better for those with kids, I would think. I don't have kids, so you tell me, K? in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 > Thank you to everyone who has voted! Right now, Vegas is pretty much sewn up as the location, and June has 2 more votes than April. So, these polls end on nov. 30th and we can do a more specific poll then with regards to time of year if people want to do that. it may come down to when is the cheapest time to visit vegas ........ sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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