Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 No way. In fact, I would count caffeinated water of any sort as a NEGATIVE in the water department; for each 12 oz of caffeine, you should add 4 to 8 oz of water MORE to get adequate intake for the day. In other words, if you're drinking 24 oz of coffee, you'd actually need to drink 72-80 oz of water in addition to the coffee to net a 64 oz intake. I gave up caffeine a month before my surgery and I'm glad I did. Caffeine, it turns out, was a large part of my constant irritability. Who would have guessed that... I just thought I was a miserable b*tch. LOL Ziobro (was Moseley) Open RNY 09/17/01 310/133/125 Water? I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Wow, that is amazing ! I guess I'll have to cut out the caffein huh!! Thanks for the info. Bobbie Lee Water? > > > I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of > coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Wow, that is amazing ! I guess I'll have to cut out the caffein huh!! Thanks for the info. Bobbie Lee Water? > > > I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of > coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Wow, that is amazing ! I guess I'll have to cut out the caffein huh!! Thanks for the info. Bobbie Lee Water? > > > I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of > coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 No way I'm cutting out the caffeine! I LOVE my morning cup of coffee at my 6 am support group. If I really want to justify it, despite knowing full well coffee is " bad " , I can read the T factor diet book which goes on and on about caffeine being good because it raises the metabolism. So what if the hands shake and I talk at 2000 miles per minute?! (not really. But I do it like anyhting else...cut down to one cup, but drink really good stuff, instead of 3 cups of Folgers). So I guess now I can die of skim milk and caffeine. Oh well. But I'll be slim and look good in the casket!!! LOL Vicki A. > Wow, that is amazing ! I guess I'll have to cut out the caffein huh!! > Thanks for the info. Bobbie Lee > Water? > > > > > > I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of > > coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Gosh, guess that I should cut out the caffine as well. Nah! I like being bitchy! LOL! Alice The Loon 12/28/00 .....it turns out, was a large part of my constant irritability. > Who would have guessed that... I just thought I was a miserable b*tch. > LOL > > Ziobro (was Moseley) > Open RNY 09/17/01 > 310/133/125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Gosh, guess that I should cut out the caffine as well. Nah! I like being bitchy! LOL! Alice The Loon 12/28/00 .....it turns out, was a large part of my constant irritability. > Who would have guessed that... I just thought I was a miserable b*tch. > LOL > > Ziobro (was Moseley) > Open RNY 09/17/01 > 310/133/125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 Gosh, guess that I should cut out the caffine as well. Nah! I like being bitchy! LOL! Alice The Loon 12/28/00 .....it turns out, was a large part of my constant irritability. > Who would have guessed that... I just thought I was a miserable b*tch. > LOL > > Ziobro (was Moseley) > Open RNY 09/17/01 > 310/133/125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 4:03:34 AM West Asia Standard Time, bobbielee11344@... writes: << I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee >> ------------------------------ God, no!! In fact, for every cup of coffee or tea that you drink (even decaffeinated) you should be drinking that same amount EXTRA of water to counteract the diuretic effects of it. If you can stay away from coffee, it would be best to just not have it at all. It interferes with calcium absorption too. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 4:03:34 AM West Asia Standard Time, bobbielee11344@... writes: << I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee >> ------------------------------ God, no!! In fact, for every cup of coffee or tea that you drink (even decaffeinated) you should be drinking that same amount EXTRA of water to counteract the diuretic effects of it. If you can stay away from coffee, it would be best to just not have it at all. It interferes with calcium absorption too. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 4:03:34 AM West Asia Standard Time, bobbielee11344@... writes: << I have a question. Does the water that I drink in a cup or many cups of coffee, count as my allowance of water for the day, or not?? Bobbie Lee >> ------------------------------ God, no!! In fact, for every cup of coffee or tea that you drink (even decaffeinated) you should be drinking that same amount EXTRA of water to counteract the diuretic effects of it. If you can stay away from coffee, it would be best to just not have it at all. It interferes with calcium absorption too. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I agree with Ray regarding the false nature of the " evils " of caffeine and the ability to " count " it as " water. " With the possible exception of SALT water, no liquid can be " negative " water to your body. Your body draws a great deal of water from the FOOD that you ingest, and in fact, some people rarely drink water. Now, I'm not saying that I think caffeine is GOOD for you (though, God knows I'm sure that there are are studies that claim it), but I think there is NO big PROBLEM with drinking caffeinated beverages (IMHO). That said, I personally chose to NOT drink caffeine and, personally, feel better for it. But, I think the " negative water " aspect of caffeinated beverages has sort of taken on " urban legend " status for a lot of us. Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, but the CO2 gas is not the enemy (unless you want to get into a pouch stretching debate, which is a whole other debate with no studies behind it). Whew.... it feels good to get that off my chest. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 10/06/02 - 167 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I agree with Ray regarding the false nature of the " evils " of caffeine and the ability to " count " it as " water. " With the possible exception of SALT water, no liquid can be " negative " water to your body. Your body draws a great deal of water from the FOOD that you ingest, and in fact, some people rarely drink water. Now, I'm not saying that I think caffeine is GOOD for you (though, God knows I'm sure that there are are studies that claim it), but I think there is NO big PROBLEM with drinking caffeinated beverages (IMHO). That said, I personally chose to NOT drink caffeine and, personally, feel better for it. But, I think the " negative water " aspect of caffeinated beverages has sort of taken on " urban legend " status for a lot of us. Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, but the CO2 gas is not the enemy (unless you want to get into a pouch stretching debate, which is a whole other debate with no studies behind it). Whew.... it feels good to get that off my chest. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 10/06/02 - 167 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I agree with Ray regarding the false nature of the " evils " of caffeine and the ability to " count " it as " water. " With the possible exception of SALT water, no liquid can be " negative " water to your body. Your body draws a great deal of water from the FOOD that you ingest, and in fact, some people rarely drink water. Now, I'm not saying that I think caffeine is GOOD for you (though, God knows I'm sure that there are are studies that claim it), but I think there is NO big PROBLEM with drinking caffeinated beverages (IMHO). That said, I personally chose to NOT drink caffeine and, personally, feel better for it. But, I think the " negative water " aspect of caffeinated beverages has sort of taken on " urban legend " status for a lot of us. Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, but the CO2 gas is not the enemy (unless you want to get into a pouch stretching debate, which is a whole other debate with no studies behind it). Whew.... it feels good to get that off my chest. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 10/06/02 - 167 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. I have never seen any evidence that supports the assertion that you need to drink an equal amount of water to coffee just to compensate for the coffee. One so called expert on WLS used to say that if you drink 12 oz of soda, you had to drink 12 oz of water just to compensate and then start on your 60 oz a day. No evidence was ever offered to support this. I note in passing that during a 25 year period in my life, my water consumption was less than 60 oz a year. All I drank was soda, primarily diet. If drinking more soda than water soda caused dehydration, I surely would have died of dehydration somewhere in that 25 years. It is widely asserted that caffeine is a diuretic. To my knowledge, there are no studies that support that conclusion. To the contrary, see http://www.cosic.org/caffeine/index.html There is another chemical in coffee that causes the bladder to slightly loosen, which in turn causes more frequent urination. This increase in frequency is not accompanied by an increase in the amount of urine. Instead of urinating 30 oz in two urinations, with the same fluid intake and over the same period of time, the caffeine drinker will urinate 30 oz in three urinations. Until someone shows up with a study showing otherwise, I would count my coffee as part of my liquids. For that matter, you can count most of the uncooked vegetables you eat as part of your water intake since they are primarily water. Moreover, there is a serious question about whether 64 oz of water per day is required or even beneficial to individuals living a sedentary life in a temperate climate zone. Beneath my name is a copy of an article on this subject. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Science - Reuters No Need to Guzzle All That Water, Expert Says Fri Aug 9, 7:40 PM ET By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Trying to do the " right " thing by drinking eight full glasses of water a day may do little more than make a person run to the bathroom, a researcher said on Friday. Newspaper articles, health and beauty magazines all advise drinking at least 8 full glasses of water a day totaling 64 ounces for optimal health -- an approach called " 8x8 " by proponents. But Dr. Heinz Valtin of Dartmouth Medical School in New Hampshire said there is no scientific evidence to back up this advice, which has helped create a huge market for bottled water. " After 10 months of careful searching I have found no scientific evidence that supports '8x8', " Valtin, who has written textbooks on the subject of human water balance, said in a telephone interview. Writing in the American Journal of Physiology, Valtin, a kidney specialist, said people forget that the food they eat also contains some water. The Food and Nutrition Board of the National Research Council ( news - web sites) has recommended that people take in about one milliliter of water for each calorie of food eaten. This adds up to two liters, or 74 fluid ounces on an average 2,000- calorie diet. But the National Research Council also noted that much of this is already contained in food. " I did 43 years of research on that system -- the osmoregulatory system. That system is so precise and so fast that I find it impossible to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit, " Valtin said. LOW ON FLUID If a person gets low on fluid, the body compensates by bringing fluid back out of the kidneys and by slowing the loss of water through the skin, Valtin said. Thirst kicks in long before dehydration starts, he added. " It does it very quickly and very accurately and it does so in minutes, " Valtin said. He said he and colleagues became concerned after seeing dozens of newspaper and magazine articles urging people to sip water all day. " I started talking to my colleagues and asking them 'Do you know of any evidence for this?'. Invariably, they said, 'No I think it's a myth', " Valtin said. The journal asked him to review all the scientific studies he could find and he concluded that someone misinformed has been telling people to drink large amounts of water when most do not need to. " I am referring to healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary existence, " Valtin said. " Persons with certain diseases must have large volumes of water -- kidney stones are probably the most common example. " The rest can just drink enough to slake thirst -- and this includes coffee, tea, and even beer -- despite their diuretic effects, Valtin said. He hopes people will be relieved of the guilt of not getting enough water, and of the expense of buying bottled water to drink throughout the day. " There is also the possibility that if you drink a lot of water that happens to be polluted then of course you get more pollutants, " Valtin said. " Then there is the inconvenience of constant urination, the embarrassment of having to go to the bathroom all the time, " he added. And overdoses of water can cause water intoxication that can lead to confusion and even death. Water intoxication is one deadly effect of taking the drug Ecstasy, for instance, because it makes people thirsty beyond their physical needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. I have never seen any evidence that supports the assertion that you need to drink an equal amount of water to coffee just to compensate for the coffee. One so called expert on WLS used to say that if you drink 12 oz of soda, you had to drink 12 oz of water just to compensate and then start on your 60 oz a day. No evidence was ever offered to support this. I note in passing that during a 25 year period in my life, my water consumption was less than 60 oz a year. All I drank was soda, primarily diet. If drinking more soda than water soda caused dehydration, I surely would have died of dehydration somewhere in that 25 years. It is widely asserted that caffeine is a diuretic. To my knowledge, there are no studies that support that conclusion. To the contrary, see http://www.cosic.org/caffeine/index.html There is another chemical in coffee that causes the bladder to slightly loosen, which in turn causes more frequent urination. This increase in frequency is not accompanied by an increase in the amount of urine. Instead of urinating 30 oz in two urinations, with the same fluid intake and over the same period of time, the caffeine drinker will urinate 30 oz in three urinations. Until someone shows up with a study showing otherwise, I would count my coffee as part of my liquids. For that matter, you can count most of the uncooked vegetables you eat as part of your water intake since they are primarily water. Moreover, there is a serious question about whether 64 oz of water per day is required or even beneficial to individuals living a sedentary life in a temperate climate zone. Beneath my name is a copy of an article on this subject. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Science - Reuters No Need to Guzzle All That Water, Expert Says Fri Aug 9, 7:40 PM ET By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Trying to do the " right " thing by drinking eight full glasses of water a day may do little more than make a person run to the bathroom, a researcher said on Friday. Newspaper articles, health and beauty magazines all advise drinking at least 8 full glasses of water a day totaling 64 ounces for optimal health -- an approach called " 8x8 " by proponents. But Dr. Heinz Valtin of Dartmouth Medical School in New Hampshire said there is no scientific evidence to back up this advice, which has helped create a huge market for bottled water. " After 10 months of careful searching I have found no scientific evidence that supports '8x8', " Valtin, who has written textbooks on the subject of human water balance, said in a telephone interview. Writing in the American Journal of Physiology, Valtin, a kidney specialist, said people forget that the food they eat also contains some water. The Food and Nutrition Board of the National Research Council ( news - web sites) has recommended that people take in about one milliliter of water for each calorie of food eaten. This adds up to two liters, or 74 fluid ounces on an average 2,000- calorie diet. But the National Research Council also noted that much of this is already contained in food. " I did 43 years of research on that system -- the osmoregulatory system. That system is so precise and so fast that I find it impossible to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit, " Valtin said. LOW ON FLUID If a person gets low on fluid, the body compensates by bringing fluid back out of the kidneys and by slowing the loss of water through the skin, Valtin said. Thirst kicks in long before dehydration starts, he added. " It does it very quickly and very accurately and it does so in minutes, " Valtin said. He said he and colleagues became concerned after seeing dozens of newspaper and magazine articles urging people to sip water all day. " I started talking to my colleagues and asking them 'Do you know of any evidence for this?'. Invariably, they said, 'No I think it's a myth', " Valtin said. The journal asked him to review all the scientific studies he could find and he concluded that someone misinformed has been telling people to drink large amounts of water when most do not need to. " I am referring to healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary existence, " Valtin said. " Persons with certain diseases must have large volumes of water -- kidney stones are probably the most common example. " The rest can just drink enough to slake thirst -- and this includes coffee, tea, and even beer -- despite their diuretic effects, Valtin said. He hopes people will be relieved of the guilt of not getting enough water, and of the expense of buying bottled water to drink throughout the day. " There is also the possibility that if you drink a lot of water that happens to be polluted then of course you get more pollutants, " Valtin said. " Then there is the inconvenience of constant urination, the embarrassment of having to go to the bathroom all the time, " he added. And overdoses of water can cause water intoxication that can lead to confusion and even death. Water intoxication is one deadly effect of taking the drug Ecstasy, for instance, because it makes people thirsty beyond their physical needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. I have never seen any evidence that supports the assertion that you need to drink an equal amount of water to coffee just to compensate for the coffee. One so called expert on WLS used to say that if you drink 12 oz of soda, you had to drink 12 oz of water just to compensate and then start on your 60 oz a day. No evidence was ever offered to support this. I note in passing that during a 25 year period in my life, my water consumption was less than 60 oz a year. All I drank was soda, primarily diet. If drinking more soda than water soda caused dehydration, I surely would have died of dehydration somewhere in that 25 years. It is widely asserted that caffeine is a diuretic. To my knowledge, there are no studies that support that conclusion. To the contrary, see http://www.cosic.org/caffeine/index.html There is another chemical in coffee that causes the bladder to slightly loosen, which in turn causes more frequent urination. This increase in frequency is not accompanied by an increase in the amount of urine. Instead of urinating 30 oz in two urinations, with the same fluid intake and over the same period of time, the caffeine drinker will urinate 30 oz in three urinations. Until someone shows up with a study showing otherwise, I would count my coffee as part of my liquids. For that matter, you can count most of the uncooked vegetables you eat as part of your water intake since they are primarily water. Moreover, there is a serious question about whether 64 oz of water per day is required or even beneficial to individuals living a sedentary life in a temperate climate zone. Beneath my name is a copy of an article on this subject. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Science - Reuters No Need to Guzzle All That Water, Expert Says Fri Aug 9, 7:40 PM ET By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Trying to do the " right " thing by drinking eight full glasses of water a day may do little more than make a person run to the bathroom, a researcher said on Friday. Newspaper articles, health and beauty magazines all advise drinking at least 8 full glasses of water a day totaling 64 ounces for optimal health -- an approach called " 8x8 " by proponents. But Dr. Heinz Valtin of Dartmouth Medical School in New Hampshire said there is no scientific evidence to back up this advice, which has helped create a huge market for bottled water. " After 10 months of careful searching I have found no scientific evidence that supports '8x8', " Valtin, who has written textbooks on the subject of human water balance, said in a telephone interview. Writing in the American Journal of Physiology, Valtin, a kidney specialist, said people forget that the food they eat also contains some water. The Food and Nutrition Board of the National Research Council ( news - web sites) has recommended that people take in about one milliliter of water for each calorie of food eaten. This adds up to two liters, or 74 fluid ounces on an average 2,000- calorie diet. But the National Research Council also noted that much of this is already contained in food. " I did 43 years of research on that system -- the osmoregulatory system. That system is so precise and so fast that I find it impossible to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit, " Valtin said. LOW ON FLUID If a person gets low on fluid, the body compensates by bringing fluid back out of the kidneys and by slowing the loss of water through the skin, Valtin said. Thirst kicks in long before dehydration starts, he added. " It does it very quickly and very accurately and it does so in minutes, " Valtin said. He said he and colleagues became concerned after seeing dozens of newspaper and magazine articles urging people to sip water all day. " I started talking to my colleagues and asking them 'Do you know of any evidence for this?'. Invariably, they said, 'No I think it's a myth', " Valtin said. The journal asked him to review all the scientific studies he could find and he concluded that someone misinformed has been telling people to drink large amounts of water when most do not need to. " I am referring to healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary existence, " Valtin said. " Persons with certain diseases must have large volumes of water -- kidney stones are probably the most common example. " The rest can just drink enough to slake thirst -- and this includes coffee, tea, and even beer -- despite their diuretic effects, Valtin said. He hopes people will be relieved of the guilt of not getting enough water, and of the expense of buying bottled water to drink throughout the day. " There is also the possibility that if you drink a lot of water that happens to be polluted then of course you get more pollutants, " Valtin said. " Then there is the inconvenience of constant urination, the embarrassment of having to go to the bathroom all the time, " he added. And overdoses of water can cause water intoxication that can lead to confusion and even death. Water intoxication is one deadly effect of taking the drug Ecstasy, for instance, because it makes people thirsty beyond their physical needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I have to say.....I usually have ONE cup of coffee a day. Some times I have a latte (well......you know.......I live NEAR Seattle...the coffee drinking capital of the world!!)but not often......and it is a REAL treat when I do......I also have learned to ask for a Soy latte....instead of milk. If I have to have my caffeine at least I TRY to make it a little healthier. LOL Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I have to say.....I usually have ONE cup of coffee a day. Some times I have a latte (well......you know.......I live NEAR Seattle...the coffee drinking capital of the world!!)but not often......and it is a REAL treat when I do......I also have learned to ask for a Soy latte....instead of milk. If I have to have my caffeine at least I TRY to make it a little healthier. LOL Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 I have to say.....I usually have ONE cup of coffee a day. Some times I have a latte (well......you know.......I live NEAR Seattle...the coffee drinking capital of the world!!)but not often......and it is a REAL treat when I do......I also have learned to ask for a Soy latte....instead of milk. If I have to have my caffeine at least I TRY to make it a little healthier. LOL Debbie in Gig Harbor ladybostons@... www.paws2print.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, rhooks@... writes: << Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. >> ------------------------------ Ray, I think u do the truth-seekers a disservice with the rest of this post. The article you listed is by just one person. One person does not a concensus make. There are lots of other docs, including urologists, who would rebut his conclusions. Furthermore, you can't necessarily apply what's true for the " normie " population to the WLS population. And the 25 years you spent drinking soda were not years as a post-op, were they? If not, you can't necessarily transfer your experience to " us. " There are other reasons to avoid caffeine besides the issue of hydration and whether or not it's a diuretic. It interferes with calcium absorption. It contributes to the formation of kidney stones. " We " need all the calcium we can get. We are more prone to stones than normies. Of course, it is each person's own decision as to what they will eat and drink. But to put a stamp of approval on something, as you've done, without pointing out other potential problems, is just plain bad advice. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, rhooks@... writes: << Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. >> ------------------------------ Ray, I think u do the truth-seekers a disservice with the rest of this post. The article you listed is by just one person. One person does not a concensus make. There are lots of other docs, including urologists, who would rebut his conclusions. Furthermore, you can't necessarily apply what's true for the " normie " population to the WLS population. And the 25 years you spent drinking soda were not years as a post-op, were they? If not, you can't necessarily transfer your experience to " us. " There are other reasons to avoid caffeine besides the issue of hydration and whether or not it's a diuretic. It interferes with calcium absorption. It contributes to the formation of kidney stones. " We " need all the calcium we can get. We are more prone to stones than normies. Of course, it is each person's own decision as to what they will eat and drink. But to put a stamp of approval on something, as you've done, without pointing out other potential problems, is just plain bad advice. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, rhooks@... writes: << Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. >> ------------------------------ Ray, I think u do the truth-seekers a disservice with the rest of this post. The article you listed is by just one person. One person does not a concensus make. There are lots of other docs, including urologists, who would rebut his conclusions. Furthermore, you can't necessarily apply what's true for the " normie " population to the WLS population. And the 25 years you spent drinking soda were not years as a post-op, were they? If not, you can't necessarily transfer your experience to " us. " There are other reasons to avoid caffeine besides the issue of hydration and whether or not it's a diuretic. It interferes with calcium absorption. It contributes to the formation of kidney stones. " We " need all the calcium we can get. We are more prone to stones than normies. Of course, it is each person's own decision as to what they will eat and drink. But to put a stamp of approval on something, as you've done, without pointing out other potential problems, is just plain bad advice. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time, BethVBG@... writes: << Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> ----------------------------- I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time, BethVBG@... writes: << Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> ----------------------------- I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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