Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 In a message dated 11/9/02 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time, BethVBG@... writes: << Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> ----------------------------- I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2002 Report Share Posted November 9, 2002 You are so right , so many studies are done on healthy, young, white males. Like that applies to most people anymore than rat studies apply. (not suggesting that these males have anything in common with rats LOL) Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > BethVBG@... writes: > << Similar to the idea > that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true > - it is the > PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> > ----------------------------- Carol said: > I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the > oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones ------------------------- ~denise added... I don't care particularly about what any of the studies say since none are actually done just on the surgery population -- I do use the " negative water " rule for myself just because it is a brown liquid = kidney stone thing and because my hopes are to keep the coffee (that I love) washed through my system as soon as possible -- so, regardless of what it may or may not cause -- I just want it, it is a " vice " I'm not ready to give up but I will wash it through as quickly as possible to (hopefully) avoid any POSSIBLE side effects no matter what they may be or may not be... for me, it feels like the " smart " thing to do for myself -- As with all the " urban myths " and " studies " and " statistics " -- until those are all done ON post-ops they just don't apply *shrug* Longer term post-op experienced people do apply in the been there / done that / category... hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > BethVBG@... writes: > << Similar to the idea > that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true > - it is the > PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> > ----------------------------- Carol said: > I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the > oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones ------------------------- ~denise added... I don't care particularly about what any of the studies say since none are actually done just on the surgery population -- I do use the " negative water " rule for myself just because it is a brown liquid = kidney stone thing and because my hopes are to keep the coffee (that I love) washed through my system as soon as possible -- so, regardless of what it may or may not cause -- I just want it, it is a " vice " I'm not ready to give up but I will wash it through as quickly as possible to (hopefully) avoid any POSSIBLE side effects no matter what they may be or may not be... for me, it feels like the " smart " thing to do for myself -- As with all the " urban myths " and " studies " and " statistics " -- until those are all done ON post-ops they just don't apply *shrug* Longer term post-op experienced people do apply in the been there / done that / category... hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Darlene: I truly believe that anything in excess has to be bad for you. I have known people who have drunk as much coffee as you. It was not a pretty sight, but they believed they were just fine. However, if coffee is your drug of choice, it is definately the lesser of all evils. my 2 cents. Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 Darlene: I truly believe that anything in excess has to be bad for you. I have known people who have drunk as much coffee as you. It was not a pretty sight, but they believed they were just fine. However, if coffee is your drug of choice, it is definately the lesser of all evils. my 2 cents. Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 I must say at this point that I don't understand the reasoning for the extra water for coffee drinkers...I am a very heavy coffee drinker, have been since a teenager.....I myself drink about 4 pots of coffe myself...alone....at work and at home, I drink almost a full pot before leaving for work, make about 3 pots at work and drink most of it myself as I am there alone most of the time, my husband makes me a fresh pot before he leaves for work, and I get home at 5:15 to a new pot, just for me...... I don't do calcium supplements except for a couple tums now and then when I remember...yep, I said Tums....I've not had any kidney stones since 1972....my latest labs came back with my calcium up from when it was done in January....so go figure...eh? I too would like to see where it says that we have too drink extra water for the amount of coffee we drink, or tea drunk...... Darlene (Central Calif) Coffee Lover by birth I think Message: 8 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:43:32 EST From: tuesdynite@... Subject: Re: Water? In a message dated 11/9/02 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, rhooks@... writes: << Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. >> ------------------------------ Ray, I think u do the truth-seekers a disservice with the rest of this post. The article you listed is by just one person. One person does not a concensus make. There are lots of other docs, including urologists, who would rebut his conclusions. Furthermore, you can't necessarily apply what's true for the " normie " population to the WLS population. And the 25 years you spent drinking soda were not years as a post-op, were they? If not, you can't necessarily transfer your experience to " us. " There are other reasons to avoid caffeine besides the issue of hydration and whether or not it's a diuretic. It interferes with calcium absorption. It contributes to the formation of kidney stones. " We " need all the calcium we can get. We are more prone to stones than normies. Of course, it is each person's own decision as to what they will eat and drink. But to put a stamp of approval on something, as you've done, without pointing out other potential problems, is just plain bad advice. Carol A ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:46:12 EST From: tuesdynite@... Subject: Re: Water? In a message dated 11/9/02 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time, BethVBG@... writes: << Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> ----------------------------- I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones Carol A --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.417 / Virus Database: 233 - Release Date: 11/8/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 I must say at this point that I don't understand the reasoning for the extra water for coffee drinkers...I am a very heavy coffee drinker, have been since a teenager.....I myself drink about 4 pots of coffe myself...alone....at work and at home, I drink almost a full pot before leaving for work, make about 3 pots at work and drink most of it myself as I am there alone most of the time, my husband makes me a fresh pot before he leaves for work, and I get home at 5:15 to a new pot, just for me...... I don't do calcium supplements except for a couple tums now and then when I remember...yep, I said Tums....I've not had any kidney stones since 1972....my latest labs came back with my calcium up from when it was done in January....so go figure...eh? I too would like to see where it says that we have too drink extra water for the amount of coffee we drink, or tea drunk...... Darlene (Central Calif) Coffee Lover by birth I think Message: 8 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:43:32 EST From: tuesdynite@... Subject: Re: Water? In a message dated 11/9/02 5:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, rhooks@... writes: << Although the majority says " No way, " they offer no reason not to. >> ------------------------------ Ray, I think u do the truth-seekers a disservice with the rest of this post. The article you listed is by just one person. One person does not a concensus make. There are lots of other docs, including urologists, who would rebut his conclusions. Furthermore, you can't necessarily apply what's true for the " normie " population to the WLS population. And the 25 years you spent drinking soda were not years as a post-op, were they? If not, you can't necessarily transfer your experience to " us. " There are other reasons to avoid caffeine besides the issue of hydration and whether or not it's a diuretic. It interferes with calcium absorption. It contributes to the formation of kidney stones. " We " need all the calcium we can get. We are more prone to stones than normies. Of course, it is each person's own decision as to what they will eat and drink. But to put a stamp of approval on something, as you've done, without pointing out other potential problems, is just plain bad advice. Carol A ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:46:12 EST From: tuesdynite@... Subject: Re: Water? In a message dated 11/9/02 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time, BethVBG@... writes: << Similar to the idea that CARBONATION (CO2) in beverages causes bone loss - not true - it is the PHOSPHORIC acid in cola beverages that MAY be a culprit, >> ----------------------------- I believe the culprit in coffee, tea, soda, etc is the oxalates.............they contribute to kidney stones Carol A --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.417 / Virus Database: 233 - Release Date: 11/8/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 > > I don't do calcium supplements except for a couple tums now and then when I > remember...yep, I said Tums....I've not had any kidney stones since > 1972....my latest labs came back with my calcium up from when it was done in > January....so go figure...eh? ****************************** Darlene, I'm sure you'll hear this from others, but the calcium levels in our labwork are virtually meaningless. You must have a dexascan to really test for bone loss. Please go have one, it's totally painless, and many insurance companies now cover it. As for the coffee issue, I, too, love my coffee, but I'm down to just 2-3 cups in the morning now, and that's only because when I hit about 35 years old, I realized drinking the high test after about 1 PM caused me to not be able to sleep. I'm also a die-hard NON-water drinker, so if coffee counts for fluid intake, I'm a happy camper. in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 In a message dated 11/10/02 11:35:40 AM Central Standard Time, PetalCA@... writes: << I don't do calcium supplements except for a couple tums now and then when I remember...yep, I said Tums....I've not had any kidney stones since 1972....my latest labs came back with my calcium up from when it was done in January....so go figure...eh? >> ---------------------------- Just goes to show that everybody's different, as I keep hearing on these lists. Consider yourself amazingly lucky. How long ago did you have your surgery? Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2002 Report Share Posted November 10, 2002 I'm so glad Don & I could have hose oxalate stones for you! LOL! ALMOST makes it worthwhile. LOL! > Longer term post-op experienced people do apply in the been there / done > that / category... > > hugz, > ~denise > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 From: Vitalady > I'm so glad Don & I could have hose oxalate stones for you! LOL! ALMOST > makes it worthwhile. LOL! > ---------- > > Longer term post-op experienced people do apply in the been there / done > > that / category... > > hugz, > > ~denise ----------- And I thank you both dearly as well as all the stoned people who've described in detail the pain associated with those nasty things -- OUCH...~~!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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