Re: Re: OT-Friend crashed-need to vent

[Guest guest]

Judy,

I'm not so sure that we can do anything to this surgeon. I mean, she won't even

confirm that she HAD surgery. If so, I don't know if this guy is her surgeon.

(I'm pretty sure he is, if her daughter is using him) but I have nothing to

prove it. I talked to her sister today, hoping to get confirmation on her

surgery, surgeon, etc..but she wouldn't say anything either. She asked alot of

questions, but never let on that had surgery. Besides, MEDICAID (Our tax

dollars) paid for the 14 year old's surgery! The gov't actually footed the bill

for her surgery...so, how can we do anything in the legal system?

I really don't want to make things rough for or her daughter.

Do you see my delimma here?

Much love,

Shelby

FAITH sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible!

Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye

pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

--- judy davison divequeen2002@...> wrote:

>Okay guys, here's the advice from my brother.

>

> " contact the association of bairiatric surgeons,

>contact the American Board of Internal Medicine,

>contact the Ohio Board of Medicine (might be the Board

>of Medical Examiners...look for the licensing body in

>Ohio). The patient will need to file a complaint,

>although they may take something from a support group

>also...call and talk to the executive director if

>possible. "

>

>Are we gonna be proactive here? Maybe we can get this

>surgeon name and draft a letter from the group.

>

>=====

>judy in austin

>5'9 " of wild Texas redhead

>SRVG 5/99 380 lbs

>Ext. Abdominoplasty 5/00 180 lbs

>Current 165-170 lbs

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

This is a dilemma since the woman won't admit she had the surgery (and I

respect her right to keep that private for herself)

One of the " issues " the MO people are fighting is to keep Medicare and

Medicaid paying for the surgery so it isn't an option limited to the

wealthier people only who can afford insurance ... at the same time, doing a

14 year old seems way over the top to most of us we really don't have this

girls history at all so it is not to judge just yet....

Earlier I was thinking the courts should have to approve for anyone under

18 BUT if we tried something like that where would it stop? Would the courts

sooner or later become more and more responsible for deciding the health

care of our children? That wouldn't be a very good option at all -- we count

on parents being responsible enough to make those decisions for their own

children *sigh*

We can't exactly say... if your over 18 it is " medical necessity " but if

your under 18 it isn't???

Agreeably, the doctor should be more responsible in this matter but how

many surgeons are? For any of us? And when they do give us advice (a

Flintstone and 2 tums a day) the advice is far from good advice...

I guess this is where " support " comes in to its most critical part --

Shelby " being there " for this woman and her daughter is just a blessing all

the way around. Who of us knows when it will be our turn to help another?

I still believe the way to get to this woman is by stressing the importance

of her teaching " by doing " the shakes with her daughter -- stressing getting

rid of the junk foods and making healthy choices and how it is (and it

IS....) her responsibility to teach her daughter the right way to treat

herself now that she has already had the surgery. Once the foundation of

protein and healthy food choices gets down begin adding in the vitamins and

supplements that she will need -- make the mother " understand " that at 14

(any age really) children do as we do NOT as we say... that would make the

Mom have to " do " the shakes with her daughter to show her how important they

are... then the vitamins and the healthy food choices... it may just be

daily lessons in nutrition and post-op care lessons to her Mom FOR her

daughter -- focusing on her daughter and her daughters health.

Isn't their a reason people get boils? A deficiency of some vitamin or

another? I seem to remember something about that a long time ago but can't

recall now -- can't a dermatologist lance them to speed the healing?

I am real happy she's getting in some protein and I hope she is passing on

the information to her daughter... Is there any way to make them make some

healthy food choices? Even those " skillet dinners " in the frozen food

sections that have veggies and chicken in them would be something the 14

year old could cook so they had more of a balanced meal.

I agree about not causing mom and daughter any more stress than needed BUT

I would also feel an obligation to the child to report to CPS if her mother

simply will not take the responsibility of teaching this child how to live

with her surgery -- I would say that was just neglect, pure and simple...

I would hope she would try to do the right thing for her child but if she

refuses then the child's interests have to be considered.

Sending you tons of energy and love Shelby as you work towards being of

service and help to this family.

hugz,

~denise

[Guest guest]

This is a dilemma since the woman won't admit she had the surgery (and I

respect her right to keep that private for herself)

One of the " issues " the MO people are fighting is to keep Medicare and

Medicaid paying for the surgery so it isn't an option limited to the

wealthier people only who can afford insurance ... at the same time, doing a

14 year old seems way over the top to most of us we really don't have this

girls history at all so it is not to judge just yet....

Earlier I was thinking the courts should have to approve for anyone under

18 BUT if we tried something like that where would it stop? Would the courts

sooner or later become more and more responsible for deciding the health

care of our children? That wouldn't be a very good option at all -- we count

on parents being responsible enough to make those decisions for their own

children *sigh*

We can't exactly say... if your over 18 it is " medical necessity " but if

your under 18 it isn't???

Agreeably, the doctor should be more responsible in this matter but how

many surgeons are? For any of us? And when they do give us advice (a

Flintstone and 2 tums a day) the advice is far from good advice...

I guess this is where " support " comes in to its most critical part --

Shelby " being there " for this woman and her daughter is just a blessing all

the way around. Who of us knows when it will be our turn to help another?

I still believe the way to get to this woman is by stressing the importance

of her teaching " by doing " the shakes with her daughter -- stressing getting

rid of the junk foods and making healthy choices and how it is (and it

IS....) her responsibility to teach her daughter the right way to treat

herself now that she has already had the surgery. Once the foundation of

protein and healthy food choices gets down begin adding in the vitamins and

supplements that she will need -- make the mother " understand " that at 14

(any age really) children do as we do NOT as we say... that would make the

Mom have to " do " the shakes with her daughter to show her how important they

are... then the vitamins and the healthy food choices... it may just be

daily lessons in nutrition and post-op care lessons to her Mom FOR her

daughter -- focusing on her daughter and her daughters health.

Isn't their a reason people get boils? A deficiency of some vitamin or

another? I seem to remember something about that a long time ago but can't

recall now -- can't a dermatologist lance them to speed the healing?

I am real happy she's getting in some protein and I hope she is passing on

the information to her daughter... Is there any way to make them make some

healthy food choices? Even those " skillet dinners " in the frozen food

sections that have veggies and chicken in them would be something the 14

year old could cook so they had more of a balanced meal.

I agree about not causing mom and daughter any more stress than needed BUT

I would also feel an obligation to the child to report to CPS if her mother

simply will not take the responsibility of teaching this child how to live

with her surgery -- I would say that was just neglect, pure and simple...

I would hope she would try to do the right thing for her child but if she

refuses then the child's interests have to be considered.

Sending you tons of energy and love Shelby as you work towards being of

service and help to this family.

hugz,

~denise