Testing

[Guest guest]

I have always tested positive on WB, usually CDC + for both IgG or IgM

and was on abx at the time.

> I think it's the opposite. Antibodies bound to bacteria are missed in the

WB. As long as the bacteria load is high, antibody counts are likely to be

lower. Antibiotics kill the bacteria, and fewer bacteria mean more

antibodies free in the blood, waiting to be sucked out and sent to the lab.

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> Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote:

> I think for a western blot you would need to be off antibiotics for

> several weeks before the test.

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[Guest guest]

When I went to my LLMD he said I'd have to be off antibiotics for

several weeks to have another western blot done.

Kathy

> I think for a western blot you would need to be off antibiotics

for

> several weeks before the test.

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[Guest guest]

Interesting. Mine said the opposite. We'll both have to ask for clarification

on our next visits.

Kathy <aiden424@...> wrote:

When I went to my LLMD he said I'd have to be off antibiotics for

several weeks to have another western blot done.

Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Must depend on your LLMD. Mine said he would not do another

western blot unless I stopped the antibiotic's for 10 to 14 days

before. He just told me that last month.

Kathy

> > I think for a western blot you would need to be off

antibiotics for

> > several weeks before the test.

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[Guest guest]

My LLMD continues to test me for Lyme while I am on abx therapy. I

tested positive 1/30/06 for both IgM two bands, 23 and 41 as well as

two bands, 39 and 41 for IgG on Western blot. I will be retested

3/16. She also wants me to be retested for Bartonella and Erlichia by

Igenex this time. -- Lida

> > > I think for a western blot you would need to be off

> antibiotics for

> > > several weeks before the test.

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[Guest guest]

I received your message and wanted to let you know that I've noticed that the

chat-line has been slow this past week. I haven't had much to add myself; still

trying to get over

this pneumonia - it's been a month now. Most of the time, I haven't felt bad

at all. Spent 2 days in the hospital for tests and IV antibiotics. And the

x-rays and CT scan show double pneumonia but " looked too good " for them to

justify keeping me in any longer. I'd rather be home anyway. I'm learning that I

only feel bad after I overdue it. So I've slowed down on housework and try to

rest more. Even putting in a long day that involves fun can wipe me out. Now I

just have to survive a graduation party today and staying at my son's for 3 days

to watch his 3 boys.(Atleast, they're in school part of the day).......

lsbrown <lsbrown@...> wrote:

Just a test as I have not been receiving any emails the last few days....I

don't know if it is my server or not...

Shirlee

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] testing

I received your message and wanted to let you know that I've noticed that the

chat-line has been slow this past week. I haven't had much to add myself; still

trying to get over

this pneumonia - it's been a month now. Most of the time, I haven't felt bad

at all. Spent 2 days in the hospital for tests and IV antibiotics. And the

x-rays and CT scan show double pneumonia but " looked too good " for them to

justify keeping me in any longer. I'd rather be home anyway. I'm learning that I

only feel bad after I overdue it. So I've slowed down on housework and try to

rest more. Even putting in a long day that involves fun can wipe me out. Now I

just have to survive a graduation party today and staying at my son's for 3 days

to watch his 3 boys.(Atleast, they're in school part of the day).......

lsbrown <lsbrown@...> wrote:

Just a test as I have not been receiving any emails the last few days....I

don't know if it is my server or not...

Shirlee

[Guest guest]

I am sorry you have been sick and hope you feel better soon

sherry

[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

> Hi bee, I went for a ct scan yesteday and they found pericardio

thickening and imflamation and fluid in the pelvic region. Needless to

say i am scared to death. Can candida create either of these things.

==>Candida can create many symptoms, dysfunctions and abnormalities

throughout the body, including the sac around the heart (pericardial).

Candida toxins are very lethal and can even cause lesions (damaged

cells or tissues, even open wounds, etc.). Was the inflammation in the

pericardial area or in the pelvic region or both? Was the fluid just

in the pelvic region or also around the heart? Did your doctor

interpret the results, and if so what did he/she say?

Bee

[Guest guest]

> I am trying to focus and not let the dark side of my mind take

> over.

Hi Sue,

this would be a good time to really practice the deep breathing

exercises in order to help you release anxiety and worry. Remember,

women have been going through menopause since the beginnning of time,

it's a natural process...it's only in the last little while that we've

been fed information that innundates us with ideas of how hard it is,

how bad it feels and they try to sell us products to get rid of the

bodie's natural reactions to the changes that are occurring.

Remember that you're now following a nutritious diet and

lifestyle...you're doing everything YOU can to take care of yourself

and ease yourself into this new stage of your life.

jackie

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

>

> the inflamation and fluid are in the pelvic area. I have an appt

with the gyno on monday for an ultrasound. The pericardio thickening

i'm not sure but i have an appt with the cardio on monday for an

ultrasound also. I spoke to both drs and the cardio assured me that

is was minute and soo small and since i had an ultrasound done last

year it was probably nothing to worry about but to be safe he would

do the ultrasound monday and the gyno said he was not all that

concerned because he sees this a lot in women going thru

perimenopause but to see him on monday also and i am having an

ultrasound of the abdomen done monday morning. I also have night

sweats and heavy periods for the last 7 months since i began dieting

and cleansing.

Dear Sue,

Do follow Jackie's advice about doing deep breathing exercises. Let

me know what the outcome is of all of your tests, and what the doctor

says. Actually it doesn't sound that bad.

Night sweats can indicate your body has a lot of toxins to get rid

of, so all of the detox recommendations would help you a lot, esp.

Epsom salt baths, dry skin brushing, coffee enemas, Pau D'Arco Tea

and the liquid cholorphyll.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Now that I am healed, there are a few things I would have done differently, in

retrospect. I STRONGLY recommend Intestinal Permeability testing (a very simple

urine test) as well as a Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. For women, I

would also add in the Vaginosis Profile. While expensive, these tests will give

you true data on the severity of many of the issues involved in candida. All of

mine were done thru Genova Diagnostics (formerly Great Smokies). I believe now

that I was actually healed before I thought I was! But I continued treatment

because I was unsure.

W

" Happiness is when what you think, what you do,

and what you say are all in harmony. "

~Gandhi

[Guest guest]

Hi W. Welcome to our group. I see you just joined today.

> Now that I am healed, there are a few things I would have done

differently, in retrospect. I STRONGLY recommend Intestinal

Permeability testing (a very simple urine test) as well as a

Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. For women, I would also add

in the Vaginosis Profile. While expensive, these tests will give you

true data on the severity of many of the issues involved in candida.

All of mine were done thru Genova Diagnostics (formerly Great

Smokies). I believe now that I was actually healed before I thought

I was! But I continued treatment because I was unsure.

==>While I understand your intentions with recommending these tests,

many candida sufferers have been through so much testing and nothing

has been conclusive. Even though some labs have better reputations

than others many of their tests are based on false premises, and most

tests are very inconclusive, expensive and not worth the money. It

doesn't do anyone any good to get tests when their symptoms clearly

point towards candida. Besides, even if the person doesn't have

candida but they are unwell this diet plus supplements will give

their body what it needs to heal itself.

The best in health, Bee

P.S. If you are cured of candida I'm curious as to why you've joined?

[Guest guest]

Question, if I don't have health insurance is it still possible to

get these tests done?

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> Now that I am healed, there are a few things I would have done

differently, in retrospect. I STRONGLY recommend Intestinal

Permeability testing (a very simple urine test) as well as a

Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. For women, I would also add

in the Vaginosis Profile. While expensive, these tests will give

you true data on the severity of many of the issues involved in

candida. All of mine were done thru Genova Diagnostics (formerly

Great Smokies). I believe now that I was actually healed before I

thought I was! But I continued treatment because I was unsure.

>

> W

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> " Happiness is when what you think, what you do,

> and what you say are all in harmony. "

> ~Gandhi

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > Now that I am healed, there are a few things I would have done

> differently, in retrospect. I STRONGLY recommend Intestinal

> Permeability testing (a very simple urine test) as well as a

> Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. For women, I would also

add in the Vaginosis Profile. While expensive, these tests will give

> you true data on the severity of many of the issues involved in

> candida. All of mine were done thru Genova Diagnostics (formerly

> Great Smokies). I believe now that I was actually healed before I

> thought I was! But I continued treatment because I was unsure.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Bee! I scored two hundred forty three on the Crook's

questionnaire...I guess I do have yeast huh? My name is Karni,

everyone calls me that...I love this website it is helping me alot,

now I know there are people who understands what I am going through!

> > >

> > > Now that I am healed, there are a few things I would have done

> > differently, in retrospect. I STRONGLY recommend Intestinal

> > Permeability testing (a very simple urine test) as well as a

> > Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. For women, I would also

> add in the Vaginosis Profile. While expensive, these tests will

give

> > you true data on the severity of many of the issues involved in

> > candida. All of mine were done thru Genova Diagnostics (formerly

> > Great Smokies). I believe now that I was actually healed before

I

> > thought I was! But I continued treatment because I was unsure.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, Bee! I scored two hundred forty three on the Crook's

> questionnaire...I guess I do have yeast huh? My name is Karni,

> everyone calls me that...I love this website it is helping me alot,

> now I know there are people who understands what I am going through!

==>Hi Karni. Yes you do have candida my friend. I'm glad you are

getting a lot out of this website. After you've been able to absorb

the information in my main article you are welcome to ask us

questions, and we are here to offer you support. It's not easy to go

through the healing process on this program, but it is well worth

it. I cured my own candida in the mid 1980s; see Bee's Personal

Candida Story in the Files (after all of the Folders).

Read, learn and know you can get well!

The best to you, Bee

P.S. Would you put your name at the end of your messages so our blind

member, Maddelena, knows when to stop listening? Also please

remember to trim your messages - see our Candida Group Information

Folder on how and why. Thanks a whole bunch my friend.

[Guest guest]

My experience would be the same as Bee's regarding testing. I have

literally spend thousands of dollars on tests that my health ins. wouldn't

pay for and really have no useful information from it. I paid $$1200.00 to

IGenex for Lyme disease tests (considered one of a couple of labs reputable

for Lyme disease testing) for my son and I and it still is not definitive

enough for a doctor to treat us. We each had IgG and IgM tests as well as a

urine assay test (that one was $600) for my son. We each had 1 pos. and 1

neg. (opposite ones) And we are no further ahead.

I have heard many people question the usefulness of some of these very

expensive tests.

I believe that because we are in very untested waters for current states of

health and disease; we either haven't got tests or they are not perfected

tests or no one knows how to read them correctly yet or doctors don't

believe that the ailments exist that are being tested for. Thyroid testing

is like that. I have been presenting with a very clear thyroid issue but my

tests keep coming back normal. According to an endocrinologist I saw, I

don't have thryoid disease but my family GP thinks I do and treats me for

it. Who's right? If my GP wasn't willing to treat me, as many are in this

example, would I be any further ahead by being tested? At least health ins.

pays for this one.

Not to be argumentative, . I'm sure many people do get answers that

are helpful. I have just observed it to be the exception not the rule. :~)

[Guest guest]

i took the ige iga or whatever the blood tests they showed nothing but

i have candida big time !!! they can be a waste of money i guess if

ur really bad it will show:) but the crook test and your own medical

history and symptoms are good enough

xoxo Lilly i wasted 200 dollars on the blood tests grrrrrrrrrr and i

also had like 3 colonscopies haha showed nothing

>

> My experience would be the same as Bee's regarding testing. I have

> literally spend thousands of dollars on tests that my health ins.

wouldn't

> pay for and really have no useful information from it. I paid

$$1200.00 to

> IGenex for Lyme disease tests (considered one of a couple of labs

reputable

> for Lyme disease testing) for my son and I and it still is not

definitive

> enough for a doctor to treat us. We each had IgG and IgM tests as

well as a

> urine assay test (that one was $600) for my son. We each had 1 pos.

and 1

> neg. (opposite ones) And we are no further ahead.

>

> I have heard many people question the usefulness of some of these very

> expensive tests.

>

> I believe that because we are in very untested waters for current

states of

> health and disease; we either haven't got tests or they are not

perfected

> tests or no one knows how to read them correctly yet or doctors don't

> believe that the ailments exist that are being tested for. Thyroid

testing

> is like that. I have been presenting with a very clear thyroid

issue but my

> tests keep coming back normal. According to an endocrinologist I saw, I

> don't have thryoid disease but my family GP thinks I do and treats

me for

> it. Who's right? If my GP wasn't willing to treat me, as many are

in this

> example, would I be any further ahead by being tested? At least

health ins.

> pays for this one.

>

> Not to be argumentative, . I'm sure many people do get answers

that

> are helpful. I have just observed it to be the exception not the

rule. :~)

>

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[Guest guest]

You would like to have your score higher than 85 and as close to the 100 as possible. Remember that a score from 40 to 85 is a NORMAL score (meaning it may be used but the body is not yelling saying PLEASE) and below 40 is where the body is nonresponsive and it's not the right time or the right item for them.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

testing

DEAR GROUP,WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE TO TEST A PRODUCT [VITAMIN-HERB-HOMEOPATHIC REMIDY- FOOD ETC..]GOING INTO THE HOMEOPATHIC ACTIVATION ON THE MAIN AND PLACING THE PRODUCT ON THE QXIC PLATE?WOULD THIS BE A MATCH FOR THE CLIENT IF THE NUMBERS ARE HIGH[100%] OR A MATCH IF IT IS LOW[uNDER 85%]? I CAN'T FIND THIS PROTOCAL IN ANY OF MY BOOKS.THANKS SO MUCH,LANIE

[Guest guest]

Kathy

The SCIO is testing the body's reaction to the item. Is it possible that a high score could indicate that the body is reacting to the item but in an adverse way, ie. it is sensitive or allergic to it and therefore the item shouldn't be given to the client?

Your interpretation please.

Nina

testing

DEAR GROUP,WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE TO TEST A PRODUCT [VITAMIN-HERB-HOMEOPATHIC REMIDY- FOOD ETC..]GOING INTO THE HOMEOPATHIC ACTIVATION ON THE MAIN AND PLACING THE PRODUCT ON THE QXIC PLATE?WOULD THIS BE A MATCH FOR THE CLIENT IF THE NUMBERS ARE HIGH[100%] OR A MATCH IF IT IS LOW[uNDER 85%]? I CAN'T FIND THIS PROTOCAL IN ANY OF MY BOOKS.THANKS SO MUCH,LANIE

[Guest guest]

yes, i would like to know this aswell. I once put some toxic weed

poison on the tray as the client said she was very reactive to this

poison when sprayed in her garden ( i personlly feel it was possibly a

psychological thing as the amount that was used in her garden was

extremely small and spot sprayed away from any people). The item came

up as a high response ie 90. This is a very toxic item and i would not

give it to anyone. I thought that maybe the high response was either

a. she was highly allergic to it or

b. there was something in the item that she was wanting. ie something

that would possibly fullfill her need to have this item be something

she was highly allergic to and therefore fulfill her psychological

reasoning about why she needed to stay away from it.

any ideas? I asked another practitioner and they said that the

response would have concluded that B was the reason why it came up high

ie there was something in it that fulfilled her ideals about being

supersensitive to it.

Fiona

On Dec 0520062005, at 8:44 PM, Nina Pearson wrote:

> Kathy

>  

> The SCIO is testing the body's reaction to the item.  Is it possible

> that a high score could indicate that the body is reacting to the item

> but in an adverse way, ie. it is sensitive or allergic to it and

> therefore the item  shouldn't be given to the client?

> Your interpretation please.

> Nina

>  

>  

>> testing

>>>

>>>

>>> DEAR GROUP,

>>> WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE TO TEST A PRODUCT [VITAMIN-HERB-

>>> HOMEOPATHIC REMIDY- FOOD ETC..]GOING INTO THE HOMEOPATHIC ACTIVATION

>>> ON THE MAIN AND PLACING THE PRODUCT ON THE QXIC PLATE?

>>> WOULD THIS BE A MATCH FOR THE CLIENT IF THE NUMBERS ARE HIGH

>>> [100%] OR A MATCH IF IT IS LOW[uNDER 85%]? I CAN'T FIND THIS PROTOCAL

>>> IN ANY OF MY BOOKS.

>>> THANKS SO MUCH,

>>> LANIE

>>>

>

Clear Temple Healing

Fiona House

PO Box 124

Aldgate 5155

South Australia

[Guest guest]

I would make a homeopathic from the weed. It will probably help her. Test for the potency.Fiona House <cleartemplehealing@...> wrote: yes, i would like to know this aswell. I once put some toxic weed poison on the tray as the client said she was very reactive to this poison when sprayed in her garden ( i personlly feel it was possibly a psychological thing as the amount that was used in her garden was extremely small and spot sprayed away from any people). The item came up as a high response ie 90. This is a very toxic item and i would not give it to anyone. I thought that maybe the high response was eithera. she was highly allergic to it orb. there was something in the item that she was wanting. ie something that would possibly fullfill her need to have this

item be something she was highly allergic to and therefore fulfill her psychological reasoning about why she needed to stay away from it.any ideas? I asked another practitioner and they said that the response would have concluded that B was the reason why it came up high ie there was something in it that fulfilled her ideals about being supersensitive to it.FionaOn Dec 0520062005, at 8:44 PM, Nina Pearson wrote:> Kathy> > The SCIO is testing the body's reaction to the item. Is it possible > that a high score could indicate that the body is reacting to the item > but in an adverse way, ie. it is sensitive or allergic to it and > therefore the item shouldn't be given to the client?> Your interpretation please.> Nina> > >> testing>>>>>>>>> DEAR GROUP,>>> WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE TO TEST A PRODUCT

[VITAMIN-HERB->>> HOMEOPATHIC REMIDY- FOOD ETC..]GOING INTO THE HOMEOPATHIC ACTIVATION>>> ON THE MAIN AND PLACING THE PRODUCT ON THE QXIC PLATE?>>> WOULD THIS BE A MATCH FOR THE CLIENT IF THE NUMBERS ARE HIGH>>> [100%] OR A MATCH IF IT IS LOW[uNDER 85%]? I CAN'T FIND THIS PROTOCAL>>> IN ANY OF MY BOOKS.>>> THANKS SO MUCH,>>> LANIE>>>> Clear Temple HealingFiona HousePO Box 124Aldgate 5155South Australia

[Guest guest]

I recommend testing in the Individual reaction. Here is a bigger picture. You need to see the reactivity number. This must be high. If it is low the patient must work on their guts.....the interface with the outer world!...If it is low the reaction has not been large enough to get a valid reading. If it is high great, lets look at the other scores.... Allergy: Over 75-this indicates inflamation...a low number indicates suppression & degeneration(We can not tell you the low number, as it it a fractal fuzzy number) it varies from client/patient as it is dependant on SOC score/number) Is it rectified ?-is the body coping with it? Yes, if it is a high number.....This indicates the level of the energetic disturbance..............If it is a low number you might choose to zap it, as this would help open up the pathways......... The Resonance shows how the body resonates to an item. A high number 75+ indicates that the issue may have been going on a long time.... Hope this helps... Seasons Greetings Best wishes Penny Fox Working towards Worldwide Higher Consciousness www.iaqt.netFiona House <cleartemplehealing@...> wrote: yes, i would like to know this aswell. I once put some toxic weed poison on the tray as the client said she was very reactive to this poison when sprayed in her garden ( i personlly feel it was possibly a psychological thing as the amount that was used in her garden was extremely small and spot sprayed away from any people). The item came up as a high response ie

90. This is a very toxic item and i would not give it to anyone. I thought that maybe the high response was eithera. she was highly allergic to it orb. there was something in the item that she was wanting. ie something that would possibly fullfill her need to have this item be something she was highly allergic to and therefore fulfill her psychological reasoning about why she needed to stay away from it.any ideas? I asked another practitioner and they said that the response would have concluded that B was the reason why it came up high ie there was something in it that fulfilled her ideals about being supersensitive to it.FionaOn Dec 0520062005, at 8:44 PM, Nina Pearson wrote:> Kathy> > The SCIO is testing the body's reaction to the item. Is it possible > that a high score could indicate that the body is reacting to the item > but in an adverse

way, ie. it is sensitive or allergic to it and > therefore the item shouldn't be given to the client?> Your interpretation please.> Nina> > >> testing>>>>>>>>> DEAR GROUP,>>> WHAT WOULD THE PROCEDURE BE TO TEST A PRODUCT [VITAMIN-HERB->>> HOMEOPATHIC REMIDY- FOOD ETC..]GOING INTO THE HOMEOPATHIC ACTIVATION>>> ON THE MAIN AND PLACING THE PRODUCT ON THE QXIC PLATE?>>> WOULD THIS BE A MATCH FOR THE CLIENT IF THE NUMBERS ARE HIGH>>> [100%] OR A MATCH IF IT IS LOW[uNDER 85%]? I CAN'T FIND THIS PROTOCAL>>> IN ANY OF MY BOOKS.>>> THANKS SO MUCH,>>> LANIE>>>> Clear Temple HealingFiona HousePO Box 124Aldgate 5155South AustraliaWorking towards Worldwide Higher Consciousness www.iaqt.net www.sciowellness.com