Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 Iron does not like other minerals or fiber - take iron with C alone. why are you taking flintstones? get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. take the multi vit with the zinc. where is your E? E can go with zinc and multi. fiber needs to be alone. calciums are fine. potassium should go alone. sue > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 My doctor prescribes Prenatal vitamins for me. I take them once a day. They have the Vit E and other things ... I do take extra Potassium, Calcium, My B's... Zinc (for hair loss) and iron. So the potassium is to be taken by itself? I normally take along with a calcium pill and zinc with food. Betty Re: Vitamins and minerals Iron does not like other minerals or fiber - take iron with C alone. why are you taking flintstones? get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. take the multi vit with the zinc. where is your E? E can go with zinc and multi. fiber needs to be alone. calciums are fine. potassium should go alone. sue > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 My doctor prescribes Prenatal vitamins for me. I take them once a day. They have the Vit E and other things ... I do take extra Potassium, Calcium, My B's... Zinc (for hair loss) and iron. So the potassium is to be taken by itself? I normally take along with a calcium pill and zinc with food. Betty Re: Vitamins and minerals Iron does not like other minerals or fiber - take iron with C alone. why are you taking flintstones? get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. take the multi vit with the zinc. where is your E? E can go with zinc and multi. fiber needs to be alone. calciums are fine. potassium should go alone. sue > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 My doctor prescribes Prenatal vitamins for me. I take them once a day. They have the Vit E and other things ... I do take extra Potassium, Calcium, My B's... Zinc (for hair loss) and iron. So the potassium is to be taken by itself? I normally take along with a calcium pill and zinc with food. Betty Re: Vitamins and minerals Iron does not like other minerals or fiber - take iron with C alone. why are you taking flintstones? get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. take the multi vit with the zinc. where is your E? E can go with zinc and multi. fiber needs to be alone. calciums are fine. potassium should go alone. sue > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 You are in serious trouble in the calcium area. Those 500 mg calcium citrate capsules contain only about 147 mg elemental calcium. The FDA has set a Reference Daily Value, commonly referred to as the DV, of 1000 mg for calcium. There is no DV for calcium citrate. I know the label reads " Calcium Citrate 1000 mg 100% (DV) " , but there is no DV for calcium citrate. This product is deceptively mislabeled. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Larry Grogan wrote: > > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 You are in serious trouble in the calcium area. Those 500 mg calcium citrate capsules contain only about 147 mg elemental calcium. The FDA has set a Reference Daily Value, commonly referred to as the DV, of 1000 mg for calcium. There is no DV for calcium citrate. I know the label reads " Calcium Citrate 1000 mg 100% (DV) " , but there is no DV for calcium citrate. This product is deceptively mislabeled. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Larry Grogan wrote: > > I have been reading with great interest the posts on taking vitamins > and mineral supplements and what goes with what. I am now wondering if > I am taking mine wrong and would appreciate any feedback from. Here's > my daily schedule: > > Morning: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin (without added iron) > 1 50 mg. zinc tablet > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet (bought from Vitalady) > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet (chewable) > > Mid-Morning: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule (with added magnesium, > vitamin D, boron, and 7-isopropoxyisoflavone - also > bought from Vitalady) > > Mid-Afternoon: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > Dinner: 1 Flintstone multi-vitamin > 1 25 mg. carbonyl iron tablet > 1 500 mg. vitamin C tablet > Fiber therapy tablets > 1 softgel > > Bedtime: 1 500 mg. calcium citrate capsule > > If I am sick with a cold, then I double up on the zinc and the > vitamin C. I am also going to be adding a prescription potassium tablet > to this as my potassium levels have been consistently running low, but I > won't get these until next week when I see my PCP. > > Should I be taking my supplements differently or is the way I am > currently taking them okay? I want to make sure that I get the most > benefits from the supplements. And I also make sure to take my calcium > at least 2 hours after my iron tablet. Thanks for any feedback on this. > > Hugs, > Jerri in MI > open RNY - August 15, 2001 > Dr. Neil mor/BTC, Yps. > 410/250/170? > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Hi Ray: Thanks for your concern over my calcium, but I had a dexascan done and the tech told me that I am in the high normal range. Infact, she told me that whatever I am currently doing as far as calcium to continue because it was one of the best results that she has ever seen, especially for someone my age (I am 42 and pre-menopausal). But I certainly do appreciate the info. Hugs, Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Hi Ray: Thanks for your concern over my calcium, but I had a dexascan done and the tech told me that I am in the high normal range. Infact, she told me that whatever I am currently doing as far as calcium to continue because it was one of the best results that she has ever seen, especially for someone my age (I am 42 and pre-menopausal). But I certainly do appreciate the info. Hugs, Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 I already take a multi equivalent to Centrum. But...what exactly do we need the minerals for? What are their purpose? I just today compared the Flintstones Completes to the Centrum equiv. and noticed that the main difference was the minerals. I had always wondered why there was so much talk against the Flintstones for us, considering so many doctors recommend them. Just curious. Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message -----From: S.Rudnicki ...snip...get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. ...snip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 I already take a multi equivalent to Centrum. But...what exactly do we need the minerals for? What are their purpose? I just today compared the Flintstones Completes to the Centrum equiv. and noticed that the main difference was the minerals. I had always wondered why there was so much talk against the Flintstones for us, considering so many doctors recommend them. Just curious. Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message -----From: S.Rudnicki ...snip...get something like centrum, an adult multi vit. there are very few minerals in flintstones. ...snip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 But...what exactly do we need the minerals for? What are their purpose? I just today compared the Flintstones Completes to the Centrum equiv. and noticed that the main difference was the minerals. well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 But...what exactly do we need the minerals for? What are their purpose? I just today compared the Flintstones Completes to the Centrum equiv. and noticed that the main difference was the minerals. well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 But...what exactly do we need the minerals for? What are their purpose? I just today compared the Flintstones Completes to the Centrum equiv. and noticed that the main difference was the minerals. well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Thanks. I never hear people talk about these all that much and the consequences of not taking them. We usually hear about iron and calcium mostly on these boards. Thanks again, Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: S.Rudnicki well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Thanks. I never hear people talk about these all that much and the consequences of not taking them. We usually hear about iron and calcium mostly on these boards. Thanks again, Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: S.Rudnicki well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Thanks. I never hear people talk about these all that much and the consequences of not taking them. We usually hear about iron and calcium mostly on these boards. Thanks again, Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: S.Rudnicki well we all know why we need calcium - bones. and magnesium is for bones, muscles and tissues like the brain, liver, heart and kidneys. zinc is in every body cell and a component of over 200 enzymes, it functions in more enzyme reactions than any other mineral - it affects all of our hormones, sex, insulin, growth, etc. boron is for joint function and bones.chromium and glucose tolerance go hand in hand. copper is the third most important mineral after iron and zinc as it affects the brain and liver. iodine for hormones. potassium and sodium affect our electrolytes. iron you know. then you have other minerals like manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and others which all affect our body in one way or another. being deficient in any of these primary minerals or the host of other trace minerals throws us out of balance, reduces our energy and our bodies efficiency at working properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 This question has been posed. " So if there is no DV for calcium citrate...What amount in your humble opinion is necessary for A WLS person to take dosage wise daily and along with what amount of other vitamins..???? " A person should not have to guess as to how much calcium citrate to take. The FDA, through the Code of Federal Regulations, has established the daily amount of vitamins and minerals deemed necessary for good health. Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) names and establishes Reference Daily Intakes (RDI) or Daily Values (DV) for vitamins and minerals that are deemed to be essential for good health. " Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) The following RDI's and nomenclature are established for the following vitamins and minerals which are essential in human nutrition: * * * * Calcium, 1,000 milligrams * * * * Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) sets an RDI or DV for calcium at 1000 mg. Since no DV is established for calcium citrate, any label reference to a DV for calcium citrate refers to a non existent DV and is therefore on its face not in compliance with the Code of Federal Regulations. A label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " appears to be an attempt by a manufacturer to confuse the consuming public into believing that 1,000 mg of calcium citrate meets the daily calcium DV established by the FDA. This is a misleading and deceptive statement. Title 21 Section 101.36(2) states what information should be on a food supplement label and how it should appear thereon. ********** " Title 21 Section 101.36(2) Information on dietary ingredients that have a Reference Daily Intake (RDI) or a Daily Reference Value (DRV) as established in Sec. 101.9© and their subcomponents (hereinafter referred to as ``((2)-dietary ingredients''). (i) The ((2)-dietary ingredients to be declared, that is, total calories, calories from fat, total fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrate, dietary fiber, sugars, protein, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium and iron, shall be declared when they are present in a dietary supplement in quantitative amounts by weight that exceed the amount that can be declared as zero in nutrition labeling of foods in accordance with Sec. 101.9©. Calories from saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, soluble fiber, insoluble fiber, sugar alcohol, and other carbohydrate may be declared, but they shall be declared when a claim is made about them. Any other vitamins or minerals listed in Sec. 101.9©(8)(iv) or ©(9) may be declared, but they shall be declared when they are added to the product for purposes of supplementation, or when a claim is made about them. Any ((2)-dietary ingredients that are not present, or that are present in amounts that can be declared as zero in Sec. 101.9©, shall not be declared (e.g., amounts corresponding to less than 2 percent of the RDI for vitamins and minerals). Protein shall not be declared on labels of products that, other than ingredients added solely for technological reasons, contain only individual amino acids. " (A) The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each ((2)-dietary ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' When the quantitative amounts by weight are presented in a separate column, the heading may be centered over a column of quantitative amounts, described by paragraph ((2)(ii) of this section, if space permits. A heading consistent with the declaration of the serving size, such as ``Each Tablet Contains,'' or ``Amount Per 2 Tablets'' may be used in place of the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' Other appropriate terms, such as capsule, packet, or teaspoonful, also may be used in place of the term ``Serving.'' " ************* Note in particular that Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) states that: " The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each ((2)-dietary ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' " Since " calcium " is defined as a " ((2)-dietary ingredient " and " calcium citrate " is not, the quantitative weight of calcium, not calcium citrate should be listed under the " Amount Per Serving " heading. A label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is also not in compliance with Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) because it states the quantitative weight of calcium citrate, not the quantitative weight of the calcium in the calcium citrate. The label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is not in compliance with FDA Code of Federal Regulations because it refers to a nonexistent DV for calcium citrate and it states the weight of the calcium citrate instead of the weight of the calcium in the calcium citrate. There is a product on the market that claims to have 500 mg of calcium in a single capsule. When I was developing the products for my bariatric supplement system of vitamin and mineral supplements, my major priority was to have 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form in a single capsule. People do not like to take a lot of capsules, so this was very important. I went to eight different manufactures with that request. They all told me that it was impossible to get 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form into a single capsule. The most that could be gotten into a single capsule was 200 mg elemental calcium in citrate form. This experience made me curious as to how this other manufacturer was supposedly able to get 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form into a small capsule. I ordered the product and had the calcium content in each capsule quantitatively analyzed. The test result came back with a result of 147 mg elemental calcium per capsule, or no where near the 500 mg the manufacturer suggested. Going back to the product with the label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " , in order to be in compliance with FDA regulations, the label statement should be: " Calcium 294 mg 29% DV " or " Calcium(Citrate) 294 mg 29% DV " or " Calcium, as calcium citrate 294 mg 29% DV. " and this is for a two capsule dosage. Now, to answer your question, how much calcium citrate should one take, the answer is it depends on how much calcium is in the calcium citrate. Calcium in citrate ranges from 21-29% calcium. You do not want to look at the amount of calcium citrate though because that can be misleading. The Supplement Facts on the product label should tell you the amount of calcium in the product. The most comprehensive article written on the nutritional effects of bariatric surgery is by Dr. Kushner, MD. He also has a master's degree in nutrition. The article is Managing the Obese Patient After Bariatric Surgery: A Case Report of Severe Malnutrition and Review of the Literature, Journal of Parenteral and Enternal Nutrition, Vol 9 Issue 2, 2000, pp 126-132. You can get a copy of this article by printing this email and taking it to the Interlibrary Loan Department of your local library. They will order you a copy. This is usually a free service. Dr. Kushner advises gastric bypass patients to have a daily calcium supplementation of between 1200-1500 mg. Factors that affect the range of supplementation you need are your age, sex and type of operation. If you are under 30 or over 55, you should probably have 1500 mg daily. If you are under 30, your bones have not yet developed maximum density, so you want there to be plenty of calcium available to maximize density potential. If you are over 55, your body becomes less efficient as calcium absorption with or without WLS, so a higher level of supplementation is indicated. If you are a female, particularly one taking oral contraceptives, you might want to have a 1500 mg supplementation regardless of age. Females, for whatever reason, need more calcium than men. The type of operation will determine the level of malabsorption you have. If you have a proximal and are a male between the ages of 30 and 55, the 1200 mg daily will probably suffice. Some female proximals in this age group can probably also get by with 1200 mg daily. Medial patients are a question mark. They might try 1200 mg supplementation and watch the results through annual dexascan tests. Distal RNY and BPD/DS patients have high malabsorption. Regardless of age and sex, they probably should have supplementation in the 1500-2000 mg range. Again, this is elemental calcium, not calcium citrate. For a discussion of other vitamin needs, I suggest you visit my web site at http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 As you state....Dr Kusher's article " advises gastric bypass patients to have a daily calcium supplementation of between 1200-1500 mg. " He does NOT advise 1200-1500mg ELEMENTAL calcium. Therefore, you are advocating 1000 mg of TUMS (calcium carbonate) per day is sufficient????????? We all know that doesn't work for us. How many here have done that and ended up with osteoporosis? You are twisting Dr Kushner's words. You do the same when you quote the FDA.... " Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) The following RDI's and nomenclature are established for the following vitamins and minerals which are essential in human nutrition: * * * * Calcium, 1,000 milligrams * * * * It says CALCIUM not ELEMENTAL calcium. And we all know they mean just that.....calcium...usually calcium carbonate. And even that is written for the " normal " person, not the gastric bypass patient. Chrissie shihtzumom@... http://users.snip.net/~shihtzumom My WLS Journey: http://millennium.fortunecity.com/doddington/691/WLS/this_is_me.htm ----- Original Message -----From: Ray Hooks This question has been posed. " So if there is no DV for calcium citrate...What amount in your humble opinion is necessary for A WLS person to take dosage wise daily and along with what amount of other vitamins..???? " A person should not have to guess as to how much calcium citrate to take. The FDA, through the Code of Federal Regulations, has established the daily amount of vitamins and minerals deemed necessary for good health. Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) names and establishes Reference Daily Intakes (RDI) or Daily Values (DV) for vitamins and minerals that are deemed to be essential for good health. " Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) The following RDI's and nomenclature are established for the following vitamins and minerals which are essential in human nutrition: * * * * Calcium, 1,000 milligrams * * * * Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) sets an RDI or DV for calcium at 1000 mg. Since no DV is established for calcium citrate, any label reference to a DV for calcium citrate refers to a non existent DV and is therefore on its face not in compliance with the Code of Federal Regulations. A label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " appears to be an attempt by a manufacturer to confuse the consuming public into believing that 1,000 mg of calcium citrate meets the daily calcium DV established by the FDA. This is a misleading and deceptive statement. Title 21 Section 101.36(2) states what information should be on a food supplement label and how it should appear thereon. ********** " Title 21 Section 101.36(2) Information on dietary ingredients that have a Reference Daily Intake (RDI) or a Daily Reference Value (DRV) as established in Sec. 101.9© and their subcomponents (hereinafter referred to as ``((2)-dietary ingredients''). (i) The ((2)-dietary ingredients to be declared, that is, total calories, calories from fat, total fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrate, dietary fiber, sugars, protein, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium and iron, shall be declared when they are present in a dietary supplement in quantitative amounts by weight that exceed the amount that can be declared as zero in nutrition labeling of foods in accordance with Sec. 101.9©. Calories from saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, soluble fiber, insoluble fiber, sugar alcohol, and other carbohydrate may be declared, but they shall be declared when a claim is made about them. Any other vitamins or minerals listed in Sec. 101.9©(8)(iv) or ©(9) may be declared, but they shall be declared when they are added to the product for purposes of supplementation, or when a claim is made about them. Any ((2)-dietary ingredients that are not present, or that are present in amounts that can be declared as zero in Sec. 101.9©, shall not be declared (e.g., amounts corresponding to less than 2 percent of the RDI for vitamins and minerals). Protein shall not be declared on labels of products that, other than ingredients added solely for technological reasons, contain only individual amino acids. " (A) The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each ((2)-dietary ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' When the quantitative amounts by weight are presented in a separate column, the heading may be centered over a column of quantitative amounts, described by paragraph ((2)(ii) of this section, if space permits. A heading consistent with the declaration of the serving size, such as ``Each Tablet Contains,'' or ``Amount Per 2 Tablets'' may be used in place of the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' Other appropriate terms, such as capsule, packet, or teaspoonful, also may be used in place of the term ``Serving.'' " ************* Note in particular that Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) states that: " The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each ((2)-dietary ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' " Since " calcium " is defined as a " ((2)-dietary ingredient " and " calcium citrate " is not, the quantitative weight of calcium, not calcium citrate should be listed under the " Amount Per Serving " heading. A label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is also not in compliance with Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) because it states the quantitative weight of calcium citrate, not the quantitative weight of the calcium in the calcium citrate. The label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is not in compliance with FDA Code of Federal Regulations because it refers to a nonexistent DV for calcium citrate and it states the weight of the calcium citrate instead of the weight of the calcium in the calcium citrate. There is a product on the market that claims to have 500 mg of calcium in a single capsule. When I was developing the products for my bariatric supplement system of vitamin and mineral supplements, my major priority was to have 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form in a single capsule. People do not like to take a lot of capsules, so this was very important. I went to eight different manufactures with that request. They all told me that it was impossible to get 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form into a single capsule. The most that could be gotten into a single capsule was 200 mg elemental calcium in citrate form. This experience made me curious as to how this other manufacturer was supposedly able to get 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form into a small capsule. I ordered the product and had the calcium content in each capsule quantitatively analyzed. The test result came back with a result of 147 mg elemental calcium per capsule, or no where near the 500 mg the manufacturer suggested. Going back to the product with the label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " , in order to be in compliance with FDA regulations, the label statement should be: " Calcium 294 mg 29% DV " or " Calcium(Citrate) 294 mg 29% DV " or " Calcium, as calcium citrate 294 mg 29% DV. " and this is for a two capsule dosage. Now, to answer your question, how much calcium citrate should one take, the answer is it depends on how much calcium is in the calcium citrate. Calcium in citrate ranges from 21-29% calcium. You do not want to look at the amount of calcium citrate though because that can be misleading. The Supplement Facts on the product label should tell you the amount of calcium in the product. The most comprehensive article written on the nutritional effects of bariatric surgery is by Dr. Kushner, MD. He also has a master's degree in nutrition. The article is Managing the Obese Patient After Bariatric Surgery: A Case Report of Severe Malnutrition and Review of the Literature, Journal of Parenteral and Enternal Nutrition, Vol 9 Issue 2, 2000, pp 126-132. You can get a copy of this article by printing this email and taking it to the Interlibrary Loan Department of your local library. They will order you a copy. This is usually a free service. Dr. Kushner advises gastric bypass patients to have a daily calcium supplementation of between 1200-1500 mg. Factors that affect the range of supplementation you need are your age, sex and type of operation. If you are under 30 or over 55, you should probably have 1500 mg daily. If you are under 30, your bones have not yet developed maximum density, so you want there to be plenty of calcium available to maximize density potential. If you are over 55, your body becomes less efficient as calcium absorption with or without WLS, so a higher level of supplementation is indicated. If you are a female, particularly one taking oral contraceptives, you might want to have a 1500 mg supplementation regardless of age. Females, for whatever reason, need more calcium than men. The type of operation will determine the level of malabsorption you have. If you have a proximal and are a male between the ages of 30 and 55, the 1200 mg daily will probably suffice. Some female proximals in this age group can probably also get by with 1200 mg daily. Medial patients are a question mark. They might try 1200 mg supplementation and watch the results through annual dexascan tests. Distal RNY and BPD/DS patients have high malabsorption. Regardless of age and sex, they probably should have supplementation in the 1500-2000 mg range. Again, this is elemental calcium, not calcium citrate. For a discussion of other vitamin needs, I suggest you visit my web site at http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 > This question has been posed. > > " So if there is no DV for calcium ****citrate****** I do not and never will understand WHY you insist on twisting everything about calcium for the post-op person into an Elemental debate -- or quoting FDA standards for calcium when the QUESTION was about calcium citrate, not calcium, not carbonate, not Ray's version of what is good and what is not good -- Your right though, a person should NOT have to guess post-op about the best calcium for us -- we should just be able to ask the long term people who have years of DEXA's to back-up what DOES work and what DOES NOT work and we can assume that basic is going to hold true for us -- I did it that way and I got a normal DEXA out of the EXACT calcium YOU continue to try to slam on these boards as not a good one for us... why are you SO threatened by this calcium discussion? And PLEASE, if you MUST answer me do NOT quote from more books or studies -- I can READ myself -- if you have a comment make it from your " own " thoughts... My only real question is why do you feel so threatened by the citrate that VitaLady sells that you would go so far over the top as to state: " You are in serious trouble in the calcium area.... " when some one who has successfully used this product and will say so in public that you feel you must " slam " it -- and further -- twist it into a discussion of Elemental Calcium backed up with FDA claims about just plain ol' calcium -- which has nothing to do with one or the other? I haven't been to your site -- do you sell calcium that is in direct competition to the one VitaLady sells and you feel like you must dog the one she sells in order to get sells for yourself? I don't " get " why you have such an attitude about this whole topic but I can tell you all the quoting in the world does not make you the resident expert and in fact, we can research and read ourselves -- the FDA is a " guideline " as they change it as often as new information comes to light but the FDA still doesn't have " standards " set up for people who are surgically altered -- it basically doesn't count for us. What does count are DEXA results of long term post op's -- what they did right and what they did wrong and how it is corrected.. But, on support groups like this, I do believe what most of us " look " for is experience (personal experience) shared with about each other on a personal level. You may be a great person, I don't know, never met ya' but I do know your method of " expert " posting is a put off to most people who come here and share their guts and support and compassion and caring about each other (support) And, while many of us do a ton of research through medical and all types of books, journals and so on -- and while if we are going to state something as a " fact " we offer a " link " or " reference " to back it up -- that's fine -- but with you, I get the feeling that their is no " person " behind all the " cut and paste " jargon. just my thoughts, ~denise ....What amount in your humble > opinion is necessary for A WLS person to > take dosage wise daily and along with what amount of other > vitamins..???? " > > A person should not have to guess as to how much calcium citrate to > take. The FDA, through the Code of Federal Regulations, has established > the daily amount of vitamins and minerals deemed necessary for good > health. Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) names and establishes > Reference Daily Intakes (RDI) or Daily Values (DV) for vitamins and > minerals that are deemed to be essential for good health. > > " Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) > The following RDI's and nomenclature are established for the following > vitamins and minerals which are essential in human nutrition: > > * * * * > Calcium, 1,000 milligrams > * * * * > > Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) sets an RDI or DV for calcium at 1000 > mg. Since no DV is established for calcium citrate, any label reference > to a DV for calcium citrate refers to a non existent DV and is therefore > on its face not in compliance with the Code of Federal Regulations. A > label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " appears to be > an attempt by a manufacturer to confuse the consuming public into > believing that 1,000 mg of calcium citrate meets the daily calcium DV > established by the FDA. This is a misleading and deceptive statement. > > Title 21 Section 101.36(2) states what information should be on a food > supplement label and how it should appear thereon. > > ********** > " Title 21 Section 101.36(2) > Information on dietary ingredients that have a Reference Daily Intake > (RDI) or a Daily Reference Value (DRV) as established in Sec. 101.9© > and their subcomponents (hereinafter referred to as ``((2)-dietary > ingredients''). (i) The ((2)-dietary ingredients to be declared, that > is, total calories, calories from fat, total fat, saturated fat, > cholesterol, sodium, total carbohydrate, dietary fiber, sugars, protein, > vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium and iron, shall be declared when they are > present in a dietary supplement in quantitative amounts by weight that > exceed the amount that can be declared as zero in nutrition labeling of > foods in accordance with Sec. 101.9©. Calories from saturated fat and > polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, soluble fiber, insoluble > fiber, sugar alcohol, and other carbohydrate may be declared, but they > shall be declared when a claim is made about them. Any other vitamins > or minerals listed in Sec. 101.9©(8)(iv) or ©(9) may be declared, > but they shall be declared when they are added to the product for > purposes of supplementation, or when a claim is made about them. Any > ((2)-dietary ingredients that are not present, or that are present in > amounts that can be declared as zero in Sec. 101.9©, shall not be > declared (e.g., amounts corresponding to less than 2 percent of the RDI > for vitamins and minerals). Protein shall not be declared on > labels of products that, other than ingredients added solely for > technological reasons, contain only individual amino acids. > " (A) The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each > ((2)-dietary ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount > Per Serving.'' When the quantitative amounts by weight are presented in > a separate column, the heading may be centered over a column of > quantitative amounts, described by paragraph ((2)(ii) of this > section, if space permits. A heading consistent with the declaration of > the serving size, such as ``Each Tablet Contains,'' or ``Amount Per 2 > Tablets'' may be used in place of the heading ``Amount Per Serving.'' > Other appropriate terms, such as capsule, packet, or teaspoonful, also > may be used in place of the term ``Serving.'' " > ************* > > Note in particular that Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) states that: > > " The names and the quantitative amounts by weight of each ((2)-dietary > ingredient shall be presented under the heading ``Amount Per > Serving.'' " > > Since " calcium " is defined as a " ((2)-dietary ingredient " and " calcium > citrate " is not, the quantitative weight of calcium, not calcium citrate > should be listed under the " Amount Per Serving " heading. A label > statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is also not in > compliance with Title 21 Section 101.36(2)(A) because it states the > quantitative weight of calcium citrate, not the quantitative weight of > the calcium in the calcium citrate. > > The label statement " Calcium citrate 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " is not in > compliance with FDA Code of Federal Regulations because it refers to a > nonexistent DV for calcium citrate and it states the weight of the > calcium citrate instead of the weight of the calcium in the calcium > citrate. > > There is a product on the market that claims to have 500 mg of calcium > in a single capsule. When I was developing the products for my > bariatric supplement system of vitamin and mineral supplements, my major > priority was to have 500 mg elemental calcium in citrate form in a > single capsule. People do not like to take a lot of capsules, so this > was very important. I went to eight different manufactures with that > request. They all told me that it was impossible to get 500 mg > elemental calcium in citrate form into a single capsule. The most that > could be gotten into a single capsule was 200 mg elemental calcium in > citrate form. This experience made me curious as to how this other > manufacturer was supposedly able to get 500 mg elemental calcium in > citrate form into a small capsule. I ordered the product and had the > calcium content in each capsule quantitatively analyzed. The test > result came back with a result of 147 mg elemental calcium per capsule, > or no where near the 500 mg the manufacturer suggested. > > Going back to the product with the label statement " Calcium citrate > 1,000 mg 100% (DV) " , in order to be in compliance with FDA > regulations, the label statement should be: > > " Calcium 294 mg 29% DV " or > " Calcium(Citrate) 294 mg 29% DV " or > " Calcium, as calcium citrate 294 mg 29% DV. " > > and this is for a two capsule dosage. > > Now, to answer your question, how much calcium citrate should one take, > the answer is it depends on how much calcium is in the calcium citrate. > Calcium in citrate ranges from 21-29% calcium. You do not want to look > at the amount of calcium citrate though because that can be misleading. > The Supplement Facts on the product label should tell you the amount of > calcium in the product. > > The most comprehensive article written on the nutritional effects of > bariatric surgery is by Dr. Kushner, MD. He also has a master's > degree in nutrition. The article is Managing the Obese Patient After > Bariatric Surgery: A Case Report of Severe Malnutrition and Review of > the Literature, Journal of Parenteral and Enternal Nutrition, Vol 9 > Issue 2, 2000, pp 126-132. You can get a copy of this article by > printing this email and taking it to the Interlibrary Loan Department of > your local library. They will order you a copy. This is usually a free > service. Dr. Kushner advises gastric bypass patients to have a daily > calcium supplementation of between 1200-1500 mg. > > Factors that affect the range of supplementation you need are your age, > sex and type of operation. If you are under 30 or over 55, you should > probably have 1500 mg daily. If you are under 30, your bones have not > yet developed maximum density, so you want there to be plenty of calcium > available to maximize density potential. If you are over 55, your body > becomes less efficient as calcium absorption with or without WLS, so a > higher level of supplementation is indicated. If you are a female, > particularly one taking oral contraceptives, you might want to have a > 1500 mg supplementation regardless of age. Females, for whatever > reason, need more calcium than men. The type of operation will > determine the level of malabsorption you have. If you have a proximal > and are a male between the ages of 30 and 55, the 1200 mg daily will > probably suffice. Some female proximals in this age group can probably > also get by with 1200 mg daily. Medial patients are a question mark. > They might try 1200 mg supplementation and watch the results through > annual dexascan tests. Distal RNY and BPD/DS patients have high > malabsorption. Regardless of age and sex, they probably should have > supplementation in the 1500-2000 mg range. Again, this is elemental > calcium, not calcium citrate. For a discussion of other vitamin needs, > I suggest you visit my web site at > http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com > > Ray Hooks > For WLS nutrition info, visit > http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 " You are twisting Dr Kushner's words. " Dr. Kushner recommends 1200-1500 mg of calcium supplementation. I take this to mean 1200-1500 mg of calcium. Calcium is calcium. Calcium citrate is not calcium nor is calcium carbonate. Calcium means calcium. If you wish to think that " calcium " means something other than calcium, be my guest. Your body uses calcium in the elemental form though. So when it is said that the body needs 1,000 mg of calcium a day, it is meant that the body needs 1,000 mg of calcium in the elemental form. " You do the same when you quote the FDA.... " Title 21 Section 101.9©(8)(iv) The following RDI's and nomenclature are established for the following vitamins and minerals which are essential in human nutrition: * * * * Calcium, 1,000 milligrams * * * * It says CALCIUM not ELEMENTAL calcium. " It says " vitamins and minerals. " Calcium in a mineral form is elemental calcium. Neither calcium citrate nor calcium carbonate are minerals. Only elemental calcium is a mineral. " And we all know they mean just that.....calcium...usually calcium carbonate. And even that is written for the " normal " person, not the gastric bypass patient. " Can you please cite an example where the Food and Drug Administration said " calcium " when it meant " calcium carbonate " ? I don't think so. The fact that the 1000 mg DV is for a normal person only means that the DV for a gastric bypass patient should be much higher not lower. Why don't you explain how I have misread or misinterpreted the labeling requirements? That is at the heart of the matter. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 I have quoted the FDA Code of Federal Regulations regarding the established Daily Values for intake in vitamins and minerals. I have quoted their regulation on labeling and have shown how the label statement in question is misleading and false. Please show me I have misinterpreted these regulations. The point is that consumers are entitled to know what is in their supplements. Use your self proclaimed vast knowledge and research to show where I am wrong on this mislabeling. This is not about dexascans. This is about deceitful labeling. Show me where I am wrong. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 What I find that is most confusing on this subject is that my surgeon told me to take 2 Tums a day for my calcium needs, which I did for 3 months post-surgery. Then I started reading that this type of calcium was not good for wls patients as we don't absorb it as well and that we should be using the citrate form. This made perfect sense to me, so I changed to that and then had my dexascan done, which showed I am in the high normal range. Now someone is saying that the citrate form of calcium is not what we need either - that we should be taking something else. So what is a person supposed to do? It's very confusing and very frustrating!! I will continue to take the calcium citrate as I have been doing for the past 10 months because it's what is working FOR ME and that's what is important to me. Everybody is different and what works for you won't necessarily work for me and visa versa. I feel that this is what everyone should do. Before having this surgery, I never listened to my body. Now I really listen to it and I give it what it needs. And so far I must be doing something right because all my labs have come back great, so I have no intention of changing anything (except for trying to increase my protein intake by finding a protein supplement that I can live with). As a new member, I find it very confusing when people argue over what kind of supplements I should be taking without taking into account ME and MY BODY. Obviously the calcium citrate is working great for me or my dexascan wouldn't have shown me to be in the high normal range. And the Flintstone multi-vitamins have all the minerals that I need because my lab works have all come back great. I can't even imagine what a newly post-op person is thinking when they are lurking on this group and they see all the conflicting discussions and the technical jargon. What would be nice is for people to post what is working for them and then let the rest of us decide whether we should try it or not and whether it is working for us or not instead of being told that we are in the danger zone because we are taking the wrong type of something (in their opinion). I am certainly not a stupid person, but all this technical jargon about calcium and the other minerals just confuses me more - it certainly doesn't help me decide what is best for ME and MY BODY. JMHO Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi : You are welcome and you certainly didn't upset me with your recent post. I just thought that a view from a very recent member might be needed in this case and my husband is always telling me that my mouth has gotten me in trouble more times than I can count, so I figured " what the heck " and went for it! Besides, I can totally relate to the PMS thing because during that time of the month for me, my husband and daughter move to a motel until I am done! LOL The point I wanted to make was that the normal layman person doesn't care about the technical part - they just want to find something that works for them. And when they do find that something that does work, then they need to stay with it and not be changing every few months. To me, that would screw up a body worse. And the normal layman wants it in language that they can understand. This group has many wonderful people who have wonderful information to share and I have learned alot over the past year. But I don't want someone to tell me that I am taking the wrong thing if it's working great for me. I guess that was the point I was trying to make and I certainly didn't want to cause bad feelings over it. If I have learned nothing else since my wls, it is to really listen to my body and to give it what it needs. And now I am off to town to find me a protein drink that I can live with! Hugs, Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi : You are welcome and you certainly didn't upset me with your recent post. I just thought that a view from a very recent member might be needed in this case and my husband is always telling me that my mouth has gotten me in trouble more times than I can count, so I figured " what the heck " and went for it! Besides, I can totally relate to the PMS thing because during that time of the month for me, my husband and daughter move to a motel until I am done! LOL The point I wanted to make was that the normal layman person doesn't care about the technical part - they just want to find something that works for them. And when they do find that something that does work, then they need to stay with it and not be changing every few months. To me, that would screw up a body worse. And the normal layman wants it in language that they can understand. This group has many wonderful people who have wonderful information to share and I have learned alot over the past year. But I don't want someone to tell me that I am taking the wrong thing if it's working great for me. I guess that was the point I was trying to make and I certainly didn't want to cause bad feelings over it. If I have learned nothing else since my wls, it is to really listen to my body and to give it what it needs. And now I am off to town to find me a protein drink that I can live with! Hugs, Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hi : You are welcome and you certainly didn't upset me with your recent post. I just thought that a view from a very recent member might be needed in this case and my husband is always telling me that my mouth has gotten me in trouble more times than I can count, so I figured " what the heck " and went for it! Besides, I can totally relate to the PMS thing because during that time of the month for me, my husband and daughter move to a motel until I am done! LOL The point I wanted to make was that the normal layman person doesn't care about the technical part - they just want to find something that works for them. And when they do find that something that does work, then they need to stay with it and not be changing every few months. To me, that would screw up a body worse. And the normal layman wants it in language that they can understand. This group has many wonderful people who have wonderful information to share and I have learned alot over the past year. But I don't want someone to tell me that I am taking the wrong thing if it's working great for me. I guess that was the point I was trying to make and I certainly didn't want to cause bad feelings over it. If I have learned nothing else since my wls, it is to really listen to my body and to give it what it needs. And now I am off to town to find me a protein drink that I can live with! Hugs, Jerri in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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