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Just to clarify, these legislations do only apply to

government funded research, and do not in any way restict the private

sector from working in cloning, right??

At 6/6/02 12:37 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Hi all,

A bipartisan group of Senators has written an unprecedented detailed set

of rules for the cloning of cells which would still ban cloning humans in

any form. Senators Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.),

Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), and Kennedy (D-Mass.) have written

extremely tight rules allowing the cloning of embryo-like entities

(blastocysts) for research. These rules would NOT permit placing

those entities into either a womb OR even an artificial womb thereby

banning the possibility of cloning a human being. The only

" body parts " to be cloned would be specific cells such as glial

cells or dopamine producing neurons.

This would stop any idea of cloning a human being, yet allow research on

stem cells to repalce dead brain cells and insulin producing cells for

diabetic patients. It would not stop the cloning of adult stem

cells for cancer research either. The Brownback Bill however, could

be used to ban existing cancer treatments as they do grow (clone) new

cells from adult stem cells for existing cancer treatments. It is

important that your Senators hear from you on these Bills. If

neither Bill passes - there will be NO Ban on cloning and people can

clone babies. It is important that a Bill passes which has a

reasonable compromise, the Feinstein Bill attemps to reach a compromise

and still allow some medical research, BUT it DOES ban cloning a human

being as well as banning the cloning of " body parts such as arms,

legs and organs " .

For details see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2415-2002Jun5.html

Take care, Bill Werre

----------------------------------------------

Senators' Bill Details Rules On Cloning Research

By a Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, June 6, 2002; Page A03

An intensive effort by a bipartisan group of senators to craft detailed rules governing research on cloned human embryos is nearly complete and could be ready for a floor debate and vote within one to two weeks, sources involved in the process said yesterday.

The new language spells out in unprecedented detail what scientists would -- and would not -- be allowed to do in the controversial field of human embryo cloning research. It is being

written primarily by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Kennedy (D-Mass.), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) -- all of whom favor allowing the research to go

forward -- and is to be added to a bill that they and others introduced last month.

By including a raft of specific scientific and ethical restrictions in the bill, the senators hope to garner the last votes they need to gain passage, Feinstein said in an interview. But opponents renewed their pledge yesterday to fight for an alternative bill, introduced by Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Landrieu (D-La.), that would outlaw all research involving cloned human embryos.

Both the Feinstein-Kennedy bill and the Brownback-Landrieu bill would ban " reproductive cloning, " the creation of cloned babies. At issue is whether scientists should be allowed to

create human embryos or embryo-like entities for research.

Proponents of the research say it could lead to cures for a range of ailments. Opponents say that it is unethical to create human embryos just to destroy them again, and that similar

research could be done on adult cells.

Recent head counts suggest that both bills are short of the 60-vote majority that probably will be needed to gain passage. That has led some to fear that neither will pass, leaving the nation without the one thing both sides agree on: a ban on reproductive cloning.

The recent effort by Feinstein and others to come up with wording to reassure Senate fence-sitters includes a strict limit on how old a cloned embryo could become before requiring that it be destroyed. Although other countries have set that limit at 14 days, Hatch is pushing for 12, to make the U.S. standard the toughest in the world, sources said.

The reworded bill also would require the General Accounting Office to review the effectiveness of the legislation after one year, and have the Institute of Medicine review the field after five years.

It also would describe strict ethical and scientific reviews that would be required of any proposed embryo cloning research. And it would set up protections for women whose eggs might be used for the research, Feinstein and others said, similar to the protections already in place regarding the use of aborted human fetal tissue in research.

" Our bill would very precisely ban human cloning, " while maintaining " a potentially enormously rewarding area of research, " Feinstein said.

Doerflinger of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, offered a different view. " Efforts to more tightly regulate embryo cloning only end up with the government more and more directly involved in requiring their destruction, " he said. " That does not solve the problem at all. "

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Just to clarify, these legislations do only apply to

government funded research, and do not in any way restict the private

sector from working in cloning, right??

At 6/6/02 12:37 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Hi all,

A bipartisan group of Senators has written an unprecedented detailed set

of rules for the cloning of cells which would still ban cloning humans in

any form. Senators Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.),

Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), and Kennedy (D-Mass.) have written

extremely tight rules allowing the cloning of embryo-like entities

(blastocysts) for research. These rules would NOT permit placing

those entities into either a womb OR even an artificial womb thereby

banning the possibility of cloning a human being. The only

" body parts " to be cloned would be specific cells such as glial

cells or dopamine producing neurons.

This would stop any idea of cloning a human being, yet allow research on

stem cells to repalce dead brain cells and insulin producing cells for

diabetic patients. It would not stop the cloning of adult stem

cells for cancer research either. The Brownback Bill however, could

be used to ban existing cancer treatments as they do grow (clone) new

cells from adult stem cells for existing cancer treatments. It is

important that your Senators hear from you on these Bills. If

neither Bill passes - there will be NO Ban on cloning and people can

clone babies. It is important that a Bill passes which has a

reasonable compromise, the Feinstein Bill attemps to reach a compromise

and still allow some medical research, BUT it DOES ban cloning a human

being as well as banning the cloning of " body parts such as arms,

legs and organs " .

For details see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2415-2002Jun5.html

Take care, Bill Werre

----------------------------------------------

Senators' Bill Details Rules On Cloning Research

By a Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, June 6, 2002; Page A03

An intensive effort by a bipartisan group of senators to craft detailed rules governing research on cloned human embryos is nearly complete and could be ready for a floor debate and vote within one to two weeks, sources involved in the process said yesterday.

The new language spells out in unprecedented detail what scientists would -- and would not -- be allowed to do in the controversial field of human embryo cloning research. It is being

written primarily by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Kennedy (D-Mass.), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) -- all of whom favor allowing the research to go

forward -- and is to be added to a bill that they and others introduced last month.

By including a raft of specific scientific and ethical restrictions in the bill, the senators hope to garner the last votes they need to gain passage, Feinstein said in an interview. But opponents renewed their pledge yesterday to fight for an alternative bill, introduced by Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Landrieu (D-La.), that would outlaw all research involving cloned human embryos.

Both the Feinstein-Kennedy bill and the Brownback-Landrieu bill would ban " reproductive cloning, " the creation of cloned babies. At issue is whether scientists should be allowed to

create human embryos or embryo-like entities for research.

Proponents of the research say it could lead to cures for a range of ailments. Opponents say that it is unethical to create human embryos just to destroy them again, and that similar

research could be done on adult cells.

Recent head counts suggest that both bills are short of the 60-vote majority that probably will be needed to gain passage. That has led some to fear that neither will pass, leaving the nation without the one thing both sides agree on: a ban on reproductive cloning.

The recent effort by Feinstein and others to come up with wording to reassure Senate fence-sitters includes a strict limit on how old a cloned embryo could become before requiring that it be destroyed. Although other countries have set that limit at 14 days, Hatch is pushing for 12, to make the U.S. standard the toughest in the world, sources said.

The reworded bill also would require the General Accounting Office to review the effectiveness of the legislation after one year, and have the Institute of Medicine review the field after five years.

It also would describe strict ethical and scientific reviews that would be required of any proposed embryo cloning research. And it would set up protections for women whose eggs might be used for the research, Feinstein and others said, similar to the protections already in place regarding the use of aborted human fetal tissue in research.

" Our bill would very precisely ban human cloning, " while maintaining " a potentially enormously rewarding area of research, " Feinstein said.

Doerflinger of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, offered a different view. " Efforts to more tightly regulate embryo cloning only end up with the government more and more directly involved in requiring their destruction, " he said. " That does not solve the problem at all. "

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Just to clarify, these legislations do only apply to

government funded research, and do not in any way restict the private

sector from working in cloning, right??

At 6/6/02 12:37 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Hi all,

A bipartisan group of Senators has written an unprecedented detailed set

of rules for the cloning of cells which would still ban cloning humans in

any form. Senators Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.),

Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), and Kennedy (D-Mass.) have written

extremely tight rules allowing the cloning of embryo-like entities

(blastocysts) for research. These rules would NOT permit placing

those entities into either a womb OR even an artificial womb thereby

banning the possibility of cloning a human being. The only

" body parts " to be cloned would be specific cells such as glial

cells or dopamine producing neurons.

This would stop any idea of cloning a human being, yet allow research on

stem cells to repalce dead brain cells and insulin producing cells for

diabetic patients. It would not stop the cloning of adult stem

cells for cancer research either. The Brownback Bill however, could

be used to ban existing cancer treatments as they do grow (clone) new

cells from adult stem cells for existing cancer treatments. It is

important that your Senators hear from you on these Bills. If

neither Bill passes - there will be NO Ban on cloning and people can

clone babies. It is important that a Bill passes which has a

reasonable compromise, the Feinstein Bill attemps to reach a compromise

and still allow some medical research, BUT it DOES ban cloning a human

being as well as banning the cloning of " body parts such as arms,

legs and organs " .

For details see:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2415-2002Jun5.html

Take care, Bill Werre

----------------------------------------------

Senators' Bill Details Rules On Cloning Research

By a Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, June 6, 2002; Page A03

An intensive effort by a bipartisan group of senators to craft detailed rules governing research on cloned human embryos is nearly complete and could be ready for a floor debate and vote within one to two weeks, sources involved in the process said yesterday.

The new language spells out in unprecedented detail what scientists would -- and would not -- be allowed to do in the controversial field of human embryo cloning research. It is being

written primarily by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Kennedy (D-Mass.), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) -- all of whom favor allowing the research to go

forward -- and is to be added to a bill that they and others introduced last month.

By including a raft of specific scientific and ethical restrictions in the bill, the senators hope to garner the last votes they need to gain passage, Feinstein said in an interview. But opponents renewed their pledge yesterday to fight for an alternative bill, introduced by Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Landrieu (D-La.), that would outlaw all research involving cloned human embryos.

Both the Feinstein-Kennedy bill and the Brownback-Landrieu bill would ban " reproductive cloning, " the creation of cloned babies. At issue is whether scientists should be allowed to

create human embryos or embryo-like entities for research.

Proponents of the research say it could lead to cures for a range of ailments. Opponents say that it is unethical to create human embryos just to destroy them again, and that similar

research could be done on adult cells.

Recent head counts suggest that both bills are short of the 60-vote majority that probably will be needed to gain passage. That has led some to fear that neither will pass, leaving the nation without the one thing both sides agree on: a ban on reproductive cloning.

The recent effort by Feinstein and others to come up with wording to reassure Senate fence-sitters includes a strict limit on how old a cloned embryo could become before requiring that it be destroyed. Although other countries have set that limit at 14 days, Hatch is pushing for 12, to make the U.S. standard the toughest in the world, sources said.

The reworded bill also would require the General Accounting Office to review the effectiveness of the legislation after one year, and have the Institute of Medicine review the field after five years.

It also would describe strict ethical and scientific reviews that would be required of any proposed embryo cloning research. And it would set up protections for women whose eggs might be used for the research, Feinstein and others said, similar to the protections already in place regarding the use of aborted human fetal tissue in research.

" Our bill would very precisely ban human cloning, " while maintaining " a potentially enormously rewarding area of research, " Feinstein said.

Doerflinger of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, offered a different view. " Efforts to more tightly regulate embryo cloning only end up with the government more and more directly involved in requiring their destruction, " he said. " That does not solve the problem at all. "

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Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY reason.

The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

Aletta Mes wrote:

Just to clarify, these legislations

do only apply to government funded research, and do not in any way restict

the private sector from working in cloning, right??

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Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY reason.

The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

Aletta Mes wrote:

Just to clarify, these legislations

do only apply to government funded research, and do not in any way restict

the private sector from working in cloning, right??

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Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY reason.

The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

Aletta Mes wrote:

Just to clarify, these legislations

do only apply to government funded research, and do not in any way restict

the private sector from working in cloning, right??

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Does that not betray the concept of a free market

economy? If there is demand, and it is not public money, then what

could be the problem? Usually when a system bans anything there is

an underlying irrational fear. I'm a believer of a government

representing people not parenting them.

At 6/6/02 05:45 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY

reason. The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having

identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

aletta mes

vancouver, bc

Canada

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Does that not betray the concept of a free market

economy? If there is demand, and it is not public money, then what

could be the problem? Usually when a system bans anything there is

an underlying irrational fear. I'm a believer of a government

representing people not parenting them.

At 6/6/02 05:45 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY

reason. The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having

identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

aletta mes

vancouver, bc

Canada

web:

http://aletta.0catch.com

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Does that not betray the concept of a free market

economy? If there is demand, and it is not public money, then what

could be the problem? Usually when a system bans anything there is

an underlying irrational fear. I'm a believer of a government

representing people not parenting them.

At 6/6/02 05:45 PM Thursday, you wrote:

Aletta,

WRONG! In the USA they are trying to ban ALL cloning for ANY

reason. The way the Bill reads, I would be leary of having

identical twins.

Take care, Bill Werre

aletta mes

vancouver, bc

Canada

web:

http://aletta.0catch.com

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Greetings Bill & Aletta,

Okay, I can't stay away forever ...

Bill, I loved the quip "I would be leery of having identical twins." Perfect.

Aletta, I wholeheartedly agree with "I'm a believer of a government representing people not parenting them." Exactly! Unfortunately, many now in the US government think we would be better off without some of those liberties. Pretty soon, if we don't watch it, we may be grounded. Permanently.

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:o) There are more ways of "cloning" than scientific cloning.

Hitler tried also to make everyone fit his way of thinking. Some

of today's politicians seem to be trying to clone thoughts.

Seems to me that Christians should be worried more about Christ's words

like

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for

they will be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons

of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely

say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven,

for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Than the definition of an embryo. With the amount of killing the

USA is currently involved in around the world today, it seems strange that

we spend so much time "saving" cells that are much smaller than a drop

of blood; can NOT become a human legally; and will be destroyed in any

case. Especially when those cells MAY be able to save 20 million

Americans from diseases and disorders like MSA, PD, ALS, juvenile diabetes,

cancer, etc. Some people always find a way to distort Christ's words

into their way of human thinking. No one yet has shown me where Christ

advocated war. Even when he was human.

In spite of political rhetoric, the USA was founded on one principle

- compromise. , lin and Jefferson had completely different

different faiths, yet they all arranged the toughest compromise in history

- the U.S. Declaration of Independence. And none of them served in

the U.S. Army. If the three were alive today, I'll bet at least lin

and Jefferson would support stem cell research - and ALL would support

a national referendum on it rather than leaving it to Congress.

Take care, Bill Werre

-----------------------------------------------

" B. Fisher" wrote:

Greetings Bill & Aletta,

Okay, I can't stay away forever ...

Bill, I loved the quip "I would be leery of having identical

twins." Perfect.

Aletta, I wholeheartedly agree with "I'm a believer of a government

representing people not parenting them." Exactly! Unfortunately,

many now in the US

government think we would be better off without some of those liberties.

Pretty soon, if we don't watch it, we may be grounded. Permanently.

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When my father moved out family to North America in 1964, it

was precisely to escape the oppression of the nanny state, especailly as

it pertains to scientific advancement (my father was a research

chemist). Now I find myself in just exactly that kind of system,

again. I read the writings of my favourits early 70's sociologists,

and read the hopefullness of a new and more human consciousness.

Lucky for them they died before it got to this point. Unless we get

out of this social engineering (sticking to the median of the Bell

curve), we and our offspring will suffer endless mediocrity with no end

in sight. Society should always protect the exemplary, not dumb

them down and silence them. How dare they legislate where thought

can take mankind.

At 6/7/02 08:27 AM Friday, you wrote:

,

:o) There are more ways of " cloning " than scientific

cloning. Hitler tried also to make everyone fit his way of

thinking. Some of today's politicians seem to be trying to clone

thoughts.

Seems to me that Christians should be worried more about Christ's words

like

" Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of

heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they

will be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of

God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for

theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely

say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in

the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. "

Than the definition of an embryo. With the amount of killing the

USA is currently involved in around the world today, it seems strange

that we spend so much time " saving " cells that are much smaller

than a drop of blood; can NOT become a human legally; and will be

destroyed in any case. Especially when those cells MAY be able to

save 20 million Americans from diseases and disorders like MSA, PD, ALS,

juvenile diabetes, cancer, etc. Some people always find a way to

distort Christ's words into their way of human thinking. No one yet

has shown me where Christ advocated war. Even when he was human.

In spite of political rhetoric, the USA was founded on one principle -

compromise. , lin and Jefferson had completely different

different faiths, yet they all arranged the toughest compromise in

history - the U.S. Declaration of Independence. And none of them

served in the U.S. Army. If the three were alive today, I'll bet at

least lin and Jefferson would support stem cell research - and ALL

would support a national referendum on it rather than leaving it to

Congress.

Take care, Bill Werre

-----------------------------------------------

" B. Fisher " wrote:

Greetings Bill & Aletta,

Okay, I can't stay away forever ...

Bill, I loved the quip " I would be leery of having identical

twins. " Perfect.

Aletta, I wholeheartedly agree with " I'm a believer of a

government representing people not parenting them. "

Exactly! Unfortunately, many now in the US

government think we would be better off without some of those

liberties. Pretty soon, if we don't watch it, we may be

grounded. Permanently.

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When my father moved out family to North America in 1964, it

was precisely to escape the oppression of the nanny state, especailly as

it pertains to scientific advancement (my father was a research

chemist). Now I find myself in just exactly that kind of system,

again. I read the writings of my favourits early 70's sociologists,

and read the hopefullness of a new and more human consciousness.

Lucky for them they died before it got to this point. Unless we get

out of this social engineering (sticking to the median of the Bell

curve), we and our offspring will suffer endless mediocrity with no end

in sight. Society should always protect the exemplary, not dumb

them down and silence them. How dare they legislate where thought

can take mankind.

At 6/7/02 08:27 AM Friday, you wrote:

,

:o) There are more ways of " cloning " than scientific

cloning. Hitler tried also to make everyone fit his way of

thinking. Some of today's politicians seem to be trying to clone

thoughts.

Seems to me that Christians should be worried more about Christ's words

like

" Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of

heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they

will be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of

God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for

theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely

say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in

the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. "

Than the definition of an embryo. With the amount of killing the

USA is currently involved in around the world today, it seems strange

that we spend so much time " saving " cells that are much smaller

than a drop of blood; can NOT become a human legally; and will be

destroyed in any case. Especially when those cells MAY be able to

save 20 million Americans from diseases and disorders like MSA, PD, ALS,

juvenile diabetes, cancer, etc. Some people always find a way to

distort Christ's words into their way of human thinking. No one yet

has shown me where Christ advocated war. Even when he was human.

In spite of political rhetoric, the USA was founded on one principle -

compromise. , lin and Jefferson had completely different

different faiths, yet they all arranged the toughest compromise in

history - the U.S. Declaration of Independence. And none of them

served in the U.S. Army. If the three were alive today, I'll bet at

least lin and Jefferson would support stem cell research - and ALL

would support a national referendum on it rather than leaving it to

Congress.

Take care, Bill Werre

-----------------------------------------------

" B. Fisher " wrote:

Greetings Bill & Aletta,

Okay, I can't stay away forever ...

Bill, I loved the quip " I would be leery of having identical

twins. " Perfect.

Aletta, I wholeheartedly agree with " I'm a believer of a

government representing people not parenting them. "

Exactly! Unfortunately, many now in the US

government think we would be better off without some of those

liberties. Pretty soon, if we don't watch it, we may be

grounded. Permanently.

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When my father moved out family to North America in 1964, it

was precisely to escape the oppression of the nanny state, especailly as

it pertains to scientific advancement (my father was a research

chemist). Now I find myself in just exactly that kind of system,

again. I read the writings of my favourits early 70's sociologists,

and read the hopefullness of a new and more human consciousness.

Lucky for them they died before it got to this point. Unless we get

out of this social engineering (sticking to the median of the Bell

curve), we and our offspring will suffer endless mediocrity with no end

in sight. Society should always protect the exemplary, not dumb

them down and silence them. How dare they legislate where thought

can take mankind.

At 6/7/02 08:27 AM Friday, you wrote:

,

:o) There are more ways of " cloning " than scientific

cloning. Hitler tried also to make everyone fit his way of

thinking. Some of today's politicians seem to be trying to clone

thoughts.

Seems to me that Christians should be worried more about Christ's words

like

" Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of

heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they

will be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of

God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for

theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely

say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in

the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. "

Than the definition of an embryo. With the amount of killing the

USA is currently involved in around the world today, it seems strange

that we spend so much time " saving " cells that are much smaller

than a drop of blood; can NOT become a human legally; and will be

destroyed in any case. Especially when those cells MAY be able to

save 20 million Americans from diseases and disorders like MSA, PD, ALS,

juvenile diabetes, cancer, etc. Some people always find a way to

distort Christ's words into their way of human thinking. No one yet

has shown me where Christ advocated war. Even when he was human.

In spite of political rhetoric, the USA was founded on one principle -

compromise. , lin and Jefferson had completely different

different faiths, yet they all arranged the toughest compromise in

history - the U.S. Declaration of Independence. And none of them

served in the U.S. Army. If the three were alive today, I'll bet at

least lin and Jefferson would support stem cell research - and ALL

would support a national referendum on it rather than leaving it to

Congress.

Take care, Bill Werre

-----------------------------------------------

" B. Fisher " wrote:

Greetings Bill & Aletta,

Okay, I can't stay away forever ...

Bill, I loved the quip " I would be leery of having identical

twins. " Perfect.

Aletta, I wholeheartedly agree with " I'm a believer of a

government representing people not parenting them. "

Exactly! Unfortunately, many now in the US

government think we would be better off without some of those

liberties. Pretty soon, if we don't watch it, we may be

grounded. Permanently.

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