Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 There is a list devoted to legislative issues. I am on it. Several states have legislation pending. Including Ohio which I spearheaded. If you want legislation put out there, start working on it. You can get a start on it all by yourself if you want to put the time and energy into it. Rush HMO vs. Debra Moran Et al may have changed the playing field. Go to www.findlaw.com and read the case -- the entire case. Also join the other list. As healthcare increases, things will be cut. When people on these lists talk about putting weights in their pockets (I have seen it happen), or causing rashes on their bodies (another thing that happens) in order to qualify for surgery - either WLS or reconstructive after WLS, it gives insurer's pause. Why cover surgery for frauds? So they start requiring more tests and even psych evals -- which makes people mad and make them ask how they can beat the test or if they should lie. If they lie they make it harder for everyone else. If people who have this surgery and tell the world they lost the weight through diet and exercise it gives a false idea of what is really happening. If so and so can lose over 100 pounds through diet why can't everyone else. They play into society's ignorance. There are dozens of reasons why healthcare is cracking down on this issue and upfront cost is only one of them. But if you want to go for legislation, start. YOu don't need a lot of money or big crowds or anything else. YOu need to speak out, talk to people and persevere. Go for it. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 > -- > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 08/02/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 The laws (or lack there of..) I think that bother me the most are job discrimination being legal based on a person's size. Last time I checked (last year) only 4 states made it illegal to discriminate based on a persons size. Law enforcement has weight requirements as do flight attendants (but pilots don't) most offices will not hire a large person for a receptionist position and on and on... and it isn't so much that the discrimination is there it is that the company can out right SAY that the person does not get the job because of the person's weight and that is a legal reason. I saw a former run-way model being interviewed who went from drugs and anorexia to her " normal " size 12 and was now modeling for Lane -- IMO, totally false advertising since I don't ever recall seeing a size 12 in the store -- I mean, I'm happy the woman stopped bending to the size 0 for fashion models and gained her health and life back but really... a size 12 is not an accurate picture of a plus sized woman at all!!! Yet, that is how she is referred to in the industry (and how she referred to herself.) How many formerly MO of us have seen job promotions? Raises in salary? A great deal more respect from co-workers and bosses since the weight loss? I am glad that being smaller opens new doors for us but really -- it shouldn't because those doors should be open anyway -- regardless of our size... and laws should be in place to protect " people of size " (is that now the PC term?) I applaud and others who get on the ball and get the message out there to help change the laws... in all forms the laws are not there to protect the MO. Thank you. hugz, ~denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 < > Okay, I'll accept the fact that perhaps my closest friends and I are the minority, but we have never really seen this. I always got the promotions, the jobs, the raises, the bonuses. I am not treated any differently now that I am normal sized rather than morbidly obese. My husband and three closest friends are/were morbidly obese, and their experience has been the same. Call it luck, call it attitude - but sometimes I feel the need to stand up and say " it doesn't always happent that way. " As a hiring manager in the past, have I dealt differently with obese applicants than non-obese? I probably had a tendency to favor heavier applicants, all things being equal. But the reality is, I sometimes did *not* want to hire the obese applicant if I had equally qualifed normal sized applicants? No because I was prejudices, or disgusted by obesity, or any other emotional reasons. I ran a business, and I knew that I would need to make expensive accommodations for people of size that I would not need to make for someone else. In my business, I had so few qualified applicants, that I don't think I was ever actually in that situation - I hired whoever I could find with the skills. But there is no question that I sometimes did so dreading what the cost would be to me in accommodations. Kate Seidel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 < > Okay, I'll accept the fact that perhaps my closest friends and I are the minority, but we have never really seen this. I always got the promotions, the jobs, the raises, the bonuses. I am not treated any differently now that I am normal sized rather than morbidly obese. My husband and three closest friends are/were morbidly obese, and their experience has been the same. Call it luck, call it attitude - but sometimes I feel the need to stand up and say " it doesn't always happent that way. " As a hiring manager in the past, have I dealt differently with obese applicants than non-obese? I probably had a tendency to favor heavier applicants, all things being equal. But the reality is, I sometimes did *not* want to hire the obese applicant if I had equally qualifed normal sized applicants? No because I was prejudices, or disgusted by obesity, or any other emotional reasons. I ran a business, and I knew that I would need to make expensive accommodations for people of size that I would not need to make for someone else. In my business, I had so few qualified applicants, that I don't think I was ever actually in that situation - I hired whoever I could find with the skills. But there is no question that I sometimes did so dreading what the cost would be to me in accommodations. Kate Seidel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 I, too, was never denied a promotion, a pay raise or a bonus (that I know of) while morbidly obese although I am certain it happens all the time. I also think that when I was very very heavy I made a point of being a go-getter so " thin " people wouldn't think I was fat AND lazy. I was exhausted every single evening but I got things done. After losing 108 pounds (with 60 to 70 to go) I am still a go-getter but am not as tired at the end of the day I think people treat me differently now because I have such a different and more positive attitude toward life in general. I smile a lot more often and interact with shopkeepers, etc., much more than before. Just my own personal observations. >From: kateseidel@... >To: Graduate-OSSG >Subject: RE: Now: Legislative issues >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:44:41 -0400 > >< great deal more respect from co-workers and bosses since the weight loss?>> > >Okay, I'll accept the fact that perhaps my closest friends and I are the >minority, but we have never really seen this. I always got the promotions, >the jobs, the raises, the bonuses. I am not treated any differently now >that I am normal sized rather than morbidly obese. My husband and three >closest friends are/were morbidly obese, and their experience has been the >same. Call it luck, call it attitude - but sometimes I feel the need to >stand up and say " it doesn't always happent that way. " > >As a hiring manager in the past, have I dealt differently with obese >applicants than non-obese? I probably had a tendency to favor heavier >applicants, all things being equal. But the reality is, I sometimes did >*not* want to hire the obese applicant if I had equally qualifed normal >sized applicants? No because I was prejudices, or disgusted by obesity, or >any other emotional reasons. I ran a business, and I knew that I would >need to make expensive accommodations for people of size that I would not >need to make for someone else. In my business, I had so few qualified >applicants, that I don't think I was ever actually in that situation - I >hired whoever I could find with the skills. But there is no question that >I sometimes did so dreading what the cost would be to me in accommodations. > >Kate Seidel > >Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > >Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 I, too, was never denied a promotion, a pay raise or a bonus (that I know of) while morbidly obese although I am certain it happens all the time. I also think that when I was very very heavy I made a point of being a go-getter so " thin " people wouldn't think I was fat AND lazy. I was exhausted every single evening but I got things done. After losing 108 pounds (with 60 to 70 to go) I am still a go-getter but am not as tired at the end of the day I think people treat me differently now because I have such a different and more positive attitude toward life in general. I smile a lot more often and interact with shopkeepers, etc., much more than before. Just my own personal observations. >From: kateseidel@... >To: Graduate-OSSG >Subject: RE: Now: Legislative issues >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:44:41 -0400 > >< great deal more respect from co-workers and bosses since the weight loss?>> > >Okay, I'll accept the fact that perhaps my closest friends and I are the >minority, but we have never really seen this. I always got the promotions, >the jobs, the raises, the bonuses. I am not treated any differently now >that I am normal sized rather than morbidly obese. My husband and three >closest friends are/were morbidly obese, and their experience has been the >same. Call it luck, call it attitude - but sometimes I feel the need to >stand up and say " it doesn't always happent that way. " > >As a hiring manager in the past, have I dealt differently with obese >applicants than non-obese? I probably had a tendency to favor heavier >applicants, all things being equal. But the reality is, I sometimes did >*not* want to hire the obese applicant if I had equally qualifed normal >sized applicants? No because I was prejudices, or disgusted by obesity, or >any other emotional reasons. I ran a business, and I knew that I would >need to make expensive accommodations for people of size that I would not >need to make for someone else. In my business, I had so few qualified >applicants, that I don't think I was ever actually in that situation - I >hired whoever I could find with the skills. But there is no question that >I sometimes did so dreading what the cost would be to me in accommodations. > >Kate Seidel > >Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > >Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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