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I have a slightly different attidtude - I believe that we have enough to deal

with, considering all the changes we are going through. But then I've suffered

from depression on and off over the years, and I welcome the help in maintaining

my equalibrium. I am not on Wellbutrin. Prozac killed my sex drive [one of its

side effects], and Wellbutrin is one of the few that doesn't increase appetite.

I don't think you should feel badly about taking something - you are dealing

with so much righ now, it's natural to feel anxiety, or feel overwhelmed at

times.

Helene

RNY 12/22/99

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> Date: 2002/09/17 Tue PM 03:50:45 CDT

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> Subject: Prozac......

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> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

> anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

> thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

> want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

>

> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

> I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

> created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

> thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

> achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

>

> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

> frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

> and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

> work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

> 5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

> been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

> weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

> nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

> and finally feel confident about my body.

>

> So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

> hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

> issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

> drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

>

> Your feedback is appreciated,

>

> V.

> 157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

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I have a slightly different attidtude - I believe that we have enough to deal

with, considering all the changes we are going through. But then I've suffered

from depression on and off over the years, and I welcome the help in maintaining

my equalibrium. I am not on Wellbutrin. Prozac killed my sex drive [one of its

side effects], and Wellbutrin is one of the few that doesn't increase appetite.

I don't think you should feel badly about taking something - you are dealing

with so much righ now, it's natural to feel anxiety, or feel overwhelmed at

times.

Helene

RNY 12/22/99

350/170

>

>

> Date: 2002/09/17 Tue PM 03:50:45 CDT

> To: Graduate-OSSG

> Subject: Prozac......

>

> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

> anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

> thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

> want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

>

> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

> I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

> created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

> thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

> achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

>

> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

> frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

> and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

> work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

> 5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

> been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

> weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

> nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

> and finally feel confident about my body.

>

> So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

> hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

> issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

> drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

>

> Your feedback is appreciated,

>

> V.

> 157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

>

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> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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I have a slightly different attidtude - I believe that we have enough to deal

with, considering all the changes we are going through. But then I've suffered

from depression on and off over the years, and I welcome the help in maintaining

my equalibrium. I am not on Wellbutrin. Prozac killed my sex drive [one of its

side effects], and Wellbutrin is one of the few that doesn't increase appetite.

I don't think you should feel badly about taking something - you are dealing

with so much righ now, it's natural to feel anxiety, or feel overwhelmed at

times.

Helene

RNY 12/22/99

350/170

>

>

> Date: 2002/09/17 Tue PM 03:50:45 CDT

> To: Graduate-OSSG

> Subject: Prozac......

>

> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

> anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

> thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

> want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

>

> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

> I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

> created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

> thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

> achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

>

> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

> frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

> and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

> work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

> 5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

> been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

> weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

> nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

> and finally feel confident about my body.

>

> So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

> hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

> issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

> drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

>

> Your feedback is appreciated,

>

> V.

> 157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

>

>

>

>

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> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Dear (V)

I'm going to splatter the pubic board briefly but will write privately

about more detailed stuff if you want.

>> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other

anti-depressant/anti-anxiety drugs?<<

I don't know about " many " but the many I've know have taken the

same/similar since before surgery -- only a small amount of people began

taking a psyche med after surgery -- not to mix the drugs up they do very

different things.

>>Are you also getting counseling?<<

Yes, I've seen a weekly therapist since well over a year before I had

surgery and continue to see him and plan to continue to see him.

>>I have been thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she

would want me to take Prozac or Paxil.<<

Therapists and counselors (the same) and shrinks are totally different --

they prescribe medications... My therapist is a Ph. D. but not a doctor and

can not prescribe meds -- most therapists/counselors can't -- if a

medication, short term / long term / would help you would have to see a

doctor about it -- hopefully PCP's don't prescribe psyche medication (that's

just an opinion)

>> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there. I

don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues created because

of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am thinner I don't settle

for things like I did. I want to work on achieving what I always dreamed

about but thought was impossible.<<

And a 1000 other issues -- just dive in... IMO, it is the best thing I've

done for and by myself and I did it BEFORE I even thought about WLS but my

issues were much the same then as now -- only now I am learning to deal

with feelings as well as the rest of the stuff.

>>> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my frustration

is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want and to prioritize

my goals.<<<

I cut that part because it isn't my place to " analyze " what you said

~smile~ just wanted to add that a good therapist (and you can interview them

before choosing one for yourself...) will help you set your priorities in

order of what you really want to work on first and by knowing your whole

list can generally help better by seeing where all the issues criss/cross

each other anyway.

>>>I hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety drugs but

they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.<<<

Most PCP's don't prescribe the psyche meds... as I said above that is done

by a psychiatrist who also doesn't work on the issues with you -- that is

done by a therapist / counselor person who doesn't / can't prescribe

medications but might suggest them if s/he feels strongly they might help

during the time of what you are working through. The medications are usually

a choice for the individual. They are not a crutch or a cop-out if one

chooses to help themselves by choosing to use one or more that makes doing

the work on the emotional stuff much easier -- and then you have chemical

depression which is " who knows what " in our already chemically disturbed

bodies... and on and on... most people I know who are on medications are

also in therapy of the right choice for themselves.

hugz,

~denise

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Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

done about it, etc.

You sound like you need more of a personal coach rather than a doctor. I've

never enlisted the help of one, but from what I understand they talk to you

about your dreams, ambitions, your goals, and then help you map out a course

of action to begin working on the issues you need to address and the steps

to take to get to where you want to be. Why not explore this avenue and you

can always go to a therapist later if you are not getting what you need to

addressed with the coach.

Just my .02.

KC

Prozac......

Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

and finally feel confident about my body.

So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

Your feedback is appreciated,

V.

157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

done about it, etc.

You sound like you need more of a personal coach rather than a doctor. I've

never enlisted the help of one, but from what I understand they talk to you

about your dreams, ambitions, your goals, and then help you map out a course

of action to begin working on the issues you need to address and the steps

to take to get to where you want to be. Why not explore this avenue and you

can always go to a therapist later if you are not getting what you need to

addressed with the coach.

Just my .02.

KC

Prozac......

Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

and finally feel confident about my body.

So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

Your feedback is appreciated,

V.

157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

done about it, etc.

You sound like you need more of a personal coach rather than a doctor. I've

never enlisted the help of one, but from what I understand they talk to you

about your dreams, ambitions, your goals, and then help you map out a course

of action to begin working on the issues you need to address and the steps

to take to get to where you want to be. Why not explore this avenue and you

can always go to a therapist later if you are not getting what you need to

addressed with the coach.

Just my .02.

KC

Prozac......

Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

and finally feel confident about my body.

So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

Your feedback is appreciated,

V.

157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

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> Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

> wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

> I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

> issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

> say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

> sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

> wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

> done about it, etc.

I went to a psychologist first, rather than a psychiatrist. Psychologists (and

other counselors) cannot prescribe meds, but after they've talked to you for a

few weeks, they can recommend meds IF they think you need them. Antidepressants

and other meds are really intended to correct chemical imbalances that cause

depression and other disorders, but too many physicians deal them out like

they're the instant cure. A found a weekly session with a good therapist to be

WAY more effective in identifying the underlying problems, and THEN when I told

my PCP that my therapist was recommending I try low-level doses of

antidepressants, he prescribed them for me, and they did help a great deal. When

I was at a point to wean off of them, the therapist was still there, to talk

through and deal with the issues related to non-medicating as well as to

medicating. World of difference, in my opinion, from the doctor who just says

" here, take this, and let me know how it goes. "

~~ Lyn

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> Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

> wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

> I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

> issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

> say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

> sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

> wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

> done about it, etc.

I went to a psychologist first, rather than a psychiatrist. Psychologists (and

other counselors) cannot prescribe meds, but after they've talked to you for a

few weeks, they can recommend meds IF they think you need them. Antidepressants

and other meds are really intended to correct chemical imbalances that cause

depression and other disorders, but too many physicians deal them out like

they're the instant cure. A found a weekly session with a good therapist to be

WAY more effective in identifying the underlying problems, and THEN when I told

my PCP that my therapist was recommending I try low-level doses of

antidepressants, he prescribed them for me, and they did help a great deal. When

I was at a point to wean off of them, the therapist was still there, to talk

through and deal with the issues related to non-medicating as well as to

medicating. World of difference, in my opinion, from the doctor who just says

" here, take this, and let me know how it goes. "

~~ Lyn

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> Just my opinion, but a few years back when I was dealing with " issues " and

> wanted to find a therapist to talk to, he prescribed meds (which I took) but

> I found that the side effects were undesirable and my jumbled feelings and

> issues never got addressed and I finally stopped wasting my money. He would

> say " How are you doing? " (expected to answer in one or two short

> sentences...Fine...So-so...terrible...) then write the script and never

> wanted to actually explore why I was feeling the way I was, what could be

> done about it, etc.

I went to a psychologist first, rather than a psychiatrist. Psychologists (and

other counselors) cannot prescribe meds, but after they've talked to you for a

few weeks, they can recommend meds IF they think you need them. Antidepressants

and other meds are really intended to correct chemical imbalances that cause

depression and other disorders, but too many physicians deal them out like

they're the instant cure. A found a weekly session with a good therapist to be

WAY more effective in identifying the underlying problems, and THEN when I told

my PCP that my therapist was recommending I try low-level doses of

antidepressants, he prescribed them for me, and they did help a great deal. When

I was at a point to wean off of them, the therapist was still there, to talk

through and deal with the issues related to non-medicating as well as to

medicating. World of difference, in my opinion, from the doctor who just says

" here, take this, and let me know how it goes. "

~~ Lyn

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Maybe a little clarification....a psychiatrist, who is always a medical

doctor can prescribe meds. A " talk " therapist or counselor which you refer

to as a coach, may be a psychiatrist, psychologist, MSW (master of social

work) It always seemed like not such a good idea to me that one would only

do the minimal visits some psychiatrists require to prescribe drugs.

In my case, I went to a psychiatrist who was also a counselor.

Just my $.02

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Prozac......

>

>

> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

> anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

> thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

> want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

>

> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

> I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

> created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

> thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

> achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

>

> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

> frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

> and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

> work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

> 5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

> been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

> weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

> nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

> and finally feel confident about my body.

>

> So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

> hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

> issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

> drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

>

> Your feedback is appreciated,

>

> V.

> 157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Maybe a little clarification....a psychiatrist, who is always a medical

doctor can prescribe meds. A " talk " therapist or counselor which you refer

to as a coach, may be a psychiatrist, psychologist, MSW (master of social

work) It always seemed like not such a good idea to me that one would only

do the minimal visits some psychiatrists require to prescribe drugs.

In my case, I went to a psychiatrist who was also a counselor.

Just my $.02

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Prozac......

>

>

> Are there many of you taking Prozac or any other anti-depressant/anti-

> anxiety drugs? Are you also getting counseling? I have been

> thinking about getting some counseling but wonder if he/she would

> want me to take Prozac or Paxil.

>

> I just wanted to get an idea of what you are going through out there.

> I don't want to be medicated. I know I am dealing with issues

> created because of losing the weight. I am aware that because I am

> thinner I don't settle for things like I did. I want to work on

> achieving what I always dreamed about but thought was impossible.

>

> I know I am not unique in my feelings. I think part of my

> frustration is figuring out what I need to do to work on what I want

> and to prioritize my goals. I have found myself unsatisfied with my

> work/pay. I have never had a romanitc life (because I was fat since

> 5yrs old!)and want it now! I want to still lose 40+ lbs but have not

> been able to lose below 205! I want plastic surgery but need to lose

> weight to make it more effective, which I have not been able to lose

> nor do I have the money. But I need to look better to attract a man

> and finally feel confident about my body.

>

> So there are many new issues that spring from losing the weight and I

> hope doctors are not trying to medicate us instead of working on

> issues. Many primary doctors are prescribing these anti-anxiety

> drugs but they are not the right ones to work on the issues with you.

>

> Your feedback is appreciated,

>

> V.

> 157lbs lost 2yrs 3mos out.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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Personally, I use two different ones -- a psychiatrist to prescribe

medication (I really don't want to talk to him... I've changed psychiatrists

many times) My therapist on the other hand I've been with for years and

years. He knows all the " From the Start " stuff going on and has followed me

through for so long that I don't want to change him even though he is a Ph.

D. he can't prescribe medications.

BUT -- the one thing I find " critical " is that my Therapist and

psychiatrist have a good repor so one can talk to the other and together we

can work out the medication thing based on the therapy thing -- I haven't

" changed " my medication for almost 4 years -- it ain't broke, don't have any

interest in changing it -- we did double the SSRI (small coated pill) to get

the same results post-op -- but that took discussion between me and both

professionals to make sure we got the dosage right.

Oh and then their is insurance -- shrinks cost WAY more so I get fewer

visits for shorter periods of time than with my therapist -- more visits per

year for longer periods of time -- the insurance dictates that so that may

be another reason for two different doctors.

Still, I agree that the shrink should know or get a good working

relationship with the " talking " doctor so medications are not blindly

prescribed without a good background knowledge of what's up.

My insurance allows 4 visits a year with the shrink unless special

permission is granted (and they always have said ok) still... that would not

be nearly enough for " talk " therapy... my talk therapy is allowed once a

week and the doctor must be a Ph.D. for approval.

As to them working " together " that is my own responsibility -- having to

give both of them permission to " talk " about me and making sure they do so

we are all on the same page.

hugz,

~denise

> Maybe a little clarification....a psychiatrist, who is always a medical

> doctor can prescribe meds. A " talk " therapist or counselor which

> you refer

> to as a coach, may be a psychiatrist, psychologist, MSW (master of social

> work) It always seemed like not such a good idea to me that one

> would only

> do the minimal visits some psychiatrists require to prescribe drugs.

>

> In my case, I went to a psychiatrist who was also a counselor.

>

> Just my $.02

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

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Personally, I use two different ones -- a psychiatrist to prescribe

medication (I really don't want to talk to him... I've changed psychiatrists

many times) My therapist on the other hand I've been with for years and

years. He knows all the " From the Start " stuff going on and has followed me

through for so long that I don't want to change him even though he is a Ph.

D. he can't prescribe medications.

BUT -- the one thing I find " critical " is that my Therapist and

psychiatrist have a good repor so one can talk to the other and together we

can work out the medication thing based on the therapy thing -- I haven't

" changed " my medication for almost 4 years -- it ain't broke, don't have any

interest in changing it -- we did double the SSRI (small coated pill) to get

the same results post-op -- but that took discussion between me and both

professionals to make sure we got the dosage right.

Oh and then their is insurance -- shrinks cost WAY more so I get fewer

visits for shorter periods of time than with my therapist -- more visits per

year for longer periods of time -- the insurance dictates that so that may

be another reason for two different doctors.

Still, I agree that the shrink should know or get a good working

relationship with the " talking " doctor so medications are not blindly

prescribed without a good background knowledge of what's up.

My insurance allows 4 visits a year with the shrink unless special

permission is granted (and they always have said ok) still... that would not

be nearly enough for " talk " therapy... my talk therapy is allowed once a

week and the doctor must be a Ph.D. for approval.

As to them working " together " that is my own responsibility -- having to

give both of them permission to " talk " about me and making sure they do so

we are all on the same page.

hugz,

~denise

> Maybe a little clarification....a psychiatrist, who is always a medical

> doctor can prescribe meds. A " talk " therapist or counselor which

> you refer

> to as a coach, may be a psychiatrist, psychologist, MSW (master of social

> work) It always seemed like not such a good idea to me that one

> would only

> do the minimal visits some psychiatrists require to prescribe drugs.

>

> In my case, I went to a psychiatrist who was also a counselor.

>

> Just my $.02

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

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