RE: Ipriflavone in osteoporosis prevention

[Guest guest]

Can you please explain what lymphocytopenia is?

Thanks,

in NJ

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In a message dated 9/17/2002 7:46:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

trilliumxxx@... writes:

> Furthermore, lymphocytopenia occurred in a significant number of women

> treated with ipriflavone. The study investigators concluded that

> ipriflavone could not be considered an effective or safe medication in the

> treatment of osteoporosis.

[Guest guest]

> I know alot of us use this supplement, so does anyone have any

> thoughts on the following article on Ipriflavone? I read a little

> about lymphocytopenia and it seems quite serious.

>

I need to look into this more thoroughly but the first two things that jump

at me are 'what is a significant number' of woman when only 400 were used in

the study. and second why would they be taking 600 ip. with only 500

calcium? standard calcium dosing is 1200.

this is the first bad word I have read about ip. as there are over 55

studies sited in a book I have on osteo that show ip. to be the treatment of

choice in europe for treating osteo.

I always feel like american doctors want to 'prescribe' something to make us

better rather than relying on natural herbs and products that can do the

same without contaminating our body with chemicals and drugs.

this is just a pet peeve right now as I have been watching a 6mo. old with

severe diarrhea for over 3wks. and all the docs are doing is prescribing

antibiotics which are causing major yeast problems and still more

diarrhea.......

sue

[Guest guest]

> I know alot of us use this supplement, so does anyone have any

> thoughts on the following article on Ipriflavone? I read a little

> about lymphocytopenia and it seems quite serious.

>

I need to look into this more thoroughly but the first two things that jump

at me are 'what is a significant number' of woman when only 400 were used in

the study. and second why would they be taking 600 ip. with only 500

calcium? standard calcium dosing is 1200.

this is the first bad word I have read about ip. as there are over 55

studies sited in a book I have on osteo that show ip. to be the treatment of

choice in europe for treating osteo.

I always feel like american doctors want to 'prescribe' something to make us

better rather than relying on natural herbs and products that can do the

same without contaminating our body with chemicals and drugs.

this is just a pet peeve right now as I have been watching a 6mo. old with

severe diarrhea for over 3wks. and all the docs are doing is prescribing

antibiotics which are causing major yeast problems and still more

diarrhea.......

sue

[Guest guest]

> I know alot of us use this supplement, so does anyone have any

> thoughts on the following article on Ipriflavone? I read a little

> about lymphocytopenia and it seems quite serious.

>

I need to look into this more thoroughly but the first two things that jump

at me are 'what is a significant number' of woman when only 400 were used in

the study. and second why would they be taking 600 ip. with only 500

calcium? standard calcium dosing is 1200.

this is the first bad word I have read about ip. as there are over 55

studies sited in a book I have on osteo that show ip. to be the treatment of

choice in europe for treating osteo.

I always feel like american doctors want to 'prescribe' something to make us

better rather than relying on natural herbs and products that can do the

same without contaminating our body with chemicals and drugs.

this is just a pet peeve right now as I have been watching a 6mo. old with

severe diarrhea for over 3wks. and all the docs are doing is prescribing

antibiotics which are causing major yeast problems and still more

diarrhea.......

sue

[Guest guest]

> > I know alot of us use this supplement, so does anyone have any

> > thoughts on the following article on Ipriflavone? I read a little

> > about lymphocytopenia and it seems quite serious.

****and second why would they be taking 600 ip. with only 500 calcium?

standard calcium dosing is 1200.******

I thought this is weird too so I checked my bottle and for 1500mg of calcium

there are a total of 100mg of the 7-Isopropoxyisoflavone (same/similar thing

as the Ipriflavon?) And why would they give women with below normal DEXA

readings only 500mg of Calcium a day? And why such a high dose of the

Ipriflavone to the low dose calcium?

I'd be interested in a study too but I'd have to see more women involved, a

more standard calcium dose to a more standard Ipriflavone dose -- and I

don't know what the (or if their is a standard) of the Ipriflavone is in

comparison to the ratio of calcium... And, instead of using all women with

abnormal DEXA's couldn't they use 1/2 with abnormal (low) and 1/2 with

normal DEXA readings.

I think when you don't blend in an equal number of " normal " people in a

study -- when you get side effects you don't know if the side effects would

have happened anyway due to the low or abnormal *whatever* they already have

and would the results be the same for healthy people?

Just a thought

~denise