Re: More Suggestions on Motorized w/c from 's Annette

[Guest guest]

It's me again...putting in my two cents.....or 7 years

experience.....about wheelchairs.....when it was time for to

give up on the walker because he was falling too much I went to the

local medical supplier and he was going to order a Quickie...already

had it approved by our insurance...think it was going to cost about

6,000 but the Lord provided a Physical therapist that knew something

about what we had ahead of us (so much more then anyone we had bet at

that time) and she put her neck on the block and contacted our

insurance company and had them stop approval and wrote up a very

detailed explaination as to why needed an invacare motorized

chair that tilted....of course had the added complication of

diabetis but one very strong argument for the tilt feature was the

danger of pneumonia and pressure sores that result from someone not

moving for long periods of time....which is the case with the

progression of this disease......our insurance approved the 16,000

chair instead of the quickie based on the information that she

provided to the doctor and the insurance. Oh, yes, part of the

argument was that he could change his position himself (which he did

for many years), I still change his position for him many times

during the day...it has enabled me to get him in the best position

for swallowing with a bent head and had made it possible for him to

be up and in the chair during the day and for him to travel even

though he is totally immobile now!........I just wish that everyone

that has this condition could have the same type of chair....I would

suggest that you at least try to get one like it....all they can say

is no.....

> The Question about w/c's and motorized w/c's has came up in the

last few

> week's. I had the suggestion for Belinda as to where she may want

to take her

> perscription for the w/c that her doctor gave her, but that was

about all I

> had to suggest until today. You know that our Neurologist wrote a

> perscription for a motorized w/c for Fred. I gave it to our MD and

he has put

> it in for the authorization. They have started that, but they did

want to

> know some specific information as to why he needs it and they sent

out a

> Rehab Technology Specialist today to see what he would suggest for

Fred. The

> first thing he did was ask question's about what Fred has. I

already had a

> list of everything for him. Med's, DME, when he came down with the

MSA, plus

> all the dates that he has fallen. Also a printed copy of what the

MSA is and

> what can happen. He said that all the things I gave him was really

a help.

> After he talked to Fred, he said that he needed to measure a few

things. So

> he went into the different room's and when he came back he said

that he had

> some suggestions for us. The one thing was he would suggest that we

put door

> jam's on the doors that open flat, so that the door will open to

where it is

> right next to the wall. This will give us about two to three more

inches to

> get pass the door with a motorized w/c. The other things he suggest

was the

> kind of motorized w/c that Fred should have. He said that he still

would like

> to see Fred try to use the walker some, but thinks that either the

Jazzy 1122

> or the Quickie G 424 would be best for Fred. One because of Fred's

size 6'1 "

> 256 and the other is because right now Fred can get himself up

some, but at

> sometime he won't be able to and these you can add things to later

if need

> be. The one that he thinks would be best for Fred is the Quickie G-

424. He

> said that it will turn on a dime, it's easy to run , the arm will

go up so

> Fred can tranfer himself from the bed to w/c. Also he said that we

can get

> two pieces of lumber to lay at the back of the van, as wide as the

wheel's

> on the chair, then we can turn the motor on so that it will go up

the ramps

> into the van to travel with. Also it will go over the door in the

back of

> the house, so that Fred will be able to go out side. He said that

he was

> going to go back and put in the report and it would be about two

weeks until

> we got the authorization and then another two weeks until the wheel

chair

> would be shipped out to him and then he would bring it out to us

and show

> Fred how to tranfer himself and some other suggestion for him to do

everytime

> he is using the w/c. So he said it would be around the last week in

April or

> the first part of May that he would have the w/c. Also he said that

we would

> have a copayment of 20% with Secure Horizons so that would mean

that the

> copayment would be around $1100. Then he said that was what Secure

Horizons

> copayment was for DME. When he said DME , I tolded him what Secure

Horizons

> tolded me about not having a copayment on any DME when it was

requested from

> the doctor and it was authorizated. So he said he would call and

check with

> Secure Horizons. Of course you know me, I have to fine out for

myself, so as

> soon as he left, I called Secure Horizons to fine out, and was

tolded once

> again, that because Fred went out under his company , that he had

no

> copayment on any of the DME , so that he wouldn't have the

copayment on the

> motorized w/c. Also Gray the rehab tech gave me two web site's to

see what

> the wheel chair's looked like

>

> www.pridehealth.com this is for the pride-jazzy 1122

>

> www.sunrisemedical.com this is for the quickie G-424

>

> Anyway I just wanted to let you know some of the suggestions that

he gave us,

> they may help some of you with things like the door jam. He did say

the

> quickie would get pass the door jam that we have, but it would be

better with

> the other door jams that are flat.

>

> Take Care and good night

> Vera

> ***********************

> > Belinda:

> > You asked >>>>

> > The doctor wrote me a perscription today for a wheelchair. I

> > don't have a clue where to go with it. I hope someone on here

might

> > be able to help me.

> <<<<

> >

> > Each time that Fred's Neurologist has given Fred a perscripton

for

> a wheel

> > chair, We have taken it to his MD, who then put's it in for an

> Authorization.

> > If it is ok'ed, we get an authorization in the mail with a phone

#

> as to

> > where to call to have them bring one out, or they call us to set

> it up. This

> > maybe what you have to do.

> >

> > Take Care

> > Vera

[Guest guest]

It's me again...putting in my two cents.....or 7 years

experience.....about wheelchairs.....when it was time for to

give up on the walker because he was falling too much I went to the

local medical supplier and he was going to order a Quickie...already

had it approved by our insurance...think it was going to cost about

6,000 but the Lord provided a Physical therapist that knew something

about what we had ahead of us (so much more then anyone we had bet at

that time) and she put her neck on the block and contacted our

insurance company and had them stop approval and wrote up a very

detailed explaination as to why needed an invacare motorized

chair that tilted....of course had the added complication of

diabetis but one very strong argument for the tilt feature was the

danger of pneumonia and pressure sores that result from someone not

moving for long periods of time....which is the case with the

progression of this disease......our insurance approved the 16,000

chair instead of the quickie based on the information that she

provided to the doctor and the insurance. Oh, yes, part of the

argument was that he could change his position himself (which he did

for many years), I still change his position for him many times

during the day...it has enabled me to get him in the best position

for swallowing with a bent head and had made it possible for him to

be up and in the chair during the day and for him to travel even

though he is totally immobile now!........I just wish that everyone

that has this condition could have the same type of chair....I would

suggest that you at least try to get one like it....all they can say

is no.....

> The Question about w/c's and motorized w/c's has came up in the

last few

> week's. I had the suggestion for Belinda as to where she may want

to take her

> perscription for the w/c that her doctor gave her, but that was

about all I

> had to suggest until today. You know that our Neurologist wrote a

> perscription for a motorized w/c for Fred. I gave it to our MD and

he has put

> it in for the authorization. They have started that, but they did

want to

> know some specific information as to why he needs it and they sent

out a

> Rehab Technology Specialist today to see what he would suggest for

Fred. The

> first thing he did was ask question's about what Fred has. I

already had a

> list of everything for him. Med's, DME, when he came down with the

MSA, plus

> all the dates that he has fallen. Also a printed copy of what the

MSA is and

> what can happen. He said that all the things I gave him was really

a help.

> After he talked to Fred, he said that he needed to measure a few

things. So

> he went into the different room's and when he came back he said

that he had

> some suggestions for us. The one thing was he would suggest that we

put door

> jam's on the doors that open flat, so that the door will open to

where it is

> right next to the wall. This will give us about two to three more

inches to

> get pass the door with a motorized w/c. The other things he suggest

was the

> kind of motorized w/c that Fred should have. He said that he still

would like

> to see Fred try to use the walker some, but thinks that either the

Jazzy 1122

> or the Quickie G 424 would be best for Fred. One because of Fred's

size 6'1 "

> 256 and the other is because right now Fred can get himself up

some, but at

> sometime he won't be able to and these you can add things to later

if need

> be. The one that he thinks would be best for Fred is the Quickie G-

424. He

> said that it will turn on a dime, it's easy to run , the arm will

go up so

> Fred can tranfer himself from the bed to w/c. Also he said that we

can get

> two pieces of lumber to lay at the back of the van, as wide as the

wheel's

> on the chair, then we can turn the motor on so that it will go up

the ramps

> into the van to travel with. Also it will go over the door in the

back of

> the house, so that Fred will be able to go out side. He said that

he was

> going to go back and put in the report and it would be about two

weeks until

> we got the authorization and then another two weeks until the wheel

chair

> would be shipped out to him and then he would bring it out to us

and show

> Fred how to tranfer himself and some other suggestion for him to do

everytime

> he is using the w/c. So he said it would be around the last week in

April or

> the first part of May that he would have the w/c. Also he said that

we would

> have a copayment of 20% with Secure Horizons so that would mean

that the

> copayment would be around $1100. Then he said that was what Secure

Horizons

> copayment was for DME. When he said DME , I tolded him what Secure

Horizons

> tolded me about not having a copayment on any DME when it was

requested from

> the doctor and it was authorizated. So he said he would call and

check with

> Secure Horizons. Of course you know me, I have to fine out for

myself, so as

> soon as he left, I called Secure Horizons to fine out, and was

tolded once

> again, that because Fred went out under his company , that he had

no

> copayment on any of the DME , so that he wouldn't have the

copayment on the

> motorized w/c. Also Gray the rehab tech gave me two web site's to

see what

> the wheel chair's looked like

>

> www.pridehealth.com this is for the pride-jazzy 1122

>

> www.sunrisemedical.com this is for the quickie G-424

>

> Anyway I just wanted to let you know some of the suggestions that

he gave us,

> they may help some of you with things like the door jam. He did say

the

> quickie would get pass the door jam that we have, but it would be

better with

> the other door jams that are flat.

>

> Take Care and good night

> Vera

> ***********************

> > Belinda:

> > You asked >>>>

> > The doctor wrote me a perscription today for a wheelchair. I

> > don't have a clue where to go with it. I hope someone on here

might

> > be able to help me.

> <<<<

> >

> > Each time that Fred's Neurologist has given Fred a perscripton

for

> a wheel

> > chair, We have taken it to his MD, who then put's it in for an

> Authorization.

> > If it is ok'ed, we get an authorization in the mail with a phone

#

> as to

> > where to call to have them bring one out, or they call us to set

> it up. This

> > maybe what you have to do.

> >

> > Take Care

> > Vera

[Guest guest]

It's me again...putting in my two cents.....or 7 years

experience.....about wheelchairs.....when it was time for to

give up on the walker because he was falling too much I went to the

local medical supplier and he was going to order a Quickie...already

had it approved by our insurance...think it was going to cost about

6,000 but the Lord provided a Physical therapist that knew something

about what we had ahead of us (so much more then anyone we had bet at

that time) and she put her neck on the block and contacted our

insurance company and had them stop approval and wrote up a very

detailed explaination as to why needed an invacare motorized

chair that tilted....of course had the added complication of

diabetis but one very strong argument for the tilt feature was the

danger of pneumonia and pressure sores that result from someone not

moving for long periods of time....which is the case with the

progression of this disease......our insurance approved the 16,000

chair instead of the quickie based on the information that she

provided to the doctor and the insurance. Oh, yes, part of the

argument was that he could change his position himself (which he did

for many years), I still change his position for him many times

during the day...it has enabled me to get him in the best position

for swallowing with a bent head and had made it possible for him to

be up and in the chair during the day and for him to travel even

though he is totally immobile now!........I just wish that everyone

that has this condition could have the same type of chair....I would

suggest that you at least try to get one like it....all they can say

is no.....

> The Question about w/c's and motorized w/c's has came up in the

last few

> week's. I had the suggestion for Belinda as to where she may want

to take her

> perscription for the w/c that her doctor gave her, but that was

about all I

> had to suggest until today. You know that our Neurologist wrote a

> perscription for a motorized w/c for Fred. I gave it to our MD and

he has put

> it in for the authorization. They have started that, but they did

want to

> know some specific information as to why he needs it and they sent

out a

> Rehab Technology Specialist today to see what he would suggest for

Fred. The

> first thing he did was ask question's about what Fred has. I

already had a

> list of everything for him. Med's, DME, when he came down with the

MSA, plus

> all the dates that he has fallen. Also a printed copy of what the

MSA is and

> what can happen. He said that all the things I gave him was really

a help.

> After he talked to Fred, he said that he needed to measure a few

things. So

> he went into the different room's and when he came back he said

that he had

> some suggestions for us. The one thing was he would suggest that we

put door

> jam's on the doors that open flat, so that the door will open to

where it is

> right next to the wall. This will give us about two to three more

inches to

> get pass the door with a motorized w/c. The other things he suggest

was the

> kind of motorized w/c that Fred should have. He said that he still

would like

> to see Fred try to use the walker some, but thinks that either the

Jazzy 1122

> or the Quickie G 424 would be best for Fred. One because of Fred's

size 6'1 "

> 256 and the other is because right now Fred can get himself up

some, but at

> sometime he won't be able to and these you can add things to later

if need

> be. The one that he thinks would be best for Fred is the Quickie G-

424. He

> said that it will turn on a dime, it's easy to run , the arm will

go up so

> Fred can tranfer himself from the bed to w/c. Also he said that we

can get

> two pieces of lumber to lay at the back of the van, as wide as the

wheel's

> on the chair, then we can turn the motor on so that it will go up

the ramps

> into the van to travel with. Also it will go over the door in the

back of

> the house, so that Fred will be able to go out side. He said that

he was

> going to go back and put in the report and it would be about two

weeks until

> we got the authorization and then another two weeks until the wheel

chair

> would be shipped out to him and then he would bring it out to us

and show

> Fred how to tranfer himself and some other suggestion for him to do

everytime

> he is using the w/c. So he said it would be around the last week in

April or

> the first part of May that he would have the w/c. Also he said that

we would

> have a copayment of 20% with Secure Horizons so that would mean

that the

> copayment would be around $1100. Then he said that was what Secure

Horizons

> copayment was for DME. When he said DME , I tolded him what Secure

Horizons

> tolded me about not having a copayment on any DME when it was

requested from

> the doctor and it was authorizated. So he said he would call and

check with

> Secure Horizons. Of course you know me, I have to fine out for

myself, so as

> soon as he left, I called Secure Horizons to fine out, and was

tolded once

> again, that because Fred went out under his company , that he had

no

> copayment on any of the DME , so that he wouldn't have the

copayment on the

> motorized w/c. Also Gray the rehab tech gave me two web site's to

see what

> the wheel chair's looked like

>

> www.pridehealth.com this is for the pride-jazzy 1122

>

> www.sunrisemedical.com this is for the quickie G-424

>

> Anyway I just wanted to let you know some of the suggestions that

he gave us,

> they may help some of you with things like the door jam. He did say

the

> quickie would get pass the door jam that we have, but it would be

better with

> the other door jams that are flat.

>

> Take Care and good night

> Vera

> ***********************

> > Belinda:

> > You asked >>>>

> > The doctor wrote me a perscription today for a wheelchair. I

> > don't have a clue where to go with it. I hope someone on here

might

> > be able to help me.

> <<<<

> >

> > Each time that Fred's Neurologist has given Fred a perscripton

for

> a wheel

> > chair, We have taken it to his MD, who then put's it in for an

> Authorization.

> > If it is ok'ed, we get an authorization in the mail with a phone

#

> as to

> > where to call to have them bring one out, or they call us to set

> it up. This

> > maybe what you have to do.

> >

> > Take Care

> > Vera

[Guest guest]

Annette:

I want to complement you on your incisive comments re wheelchairs. They

are worth far more than " two cents! "

Terry is no where the need for a w/c yet. However, I can certainly see

from the several w/c emails followed by your comments that it is imperative

to have a real professional do the fitting, and to fight one's way through

the Medicare bureaucracy to do what is most effective for the patient. You

have informed us all. Thank you for your efforts.

Message: 3

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:02 -0000

Subject: Re: More Suggestions on Motorized w/c from 's Annette

It's me again...putting in my two cents.....or 7 years

experience.....about wheelchairs.....when it was time for to

give up on the walker because he was falling too much I went to the

local medical supplier and he was going to order a Quickie...already

had it approved by our insurance...think it was going to cost about

6,000 but the Lord provided a Physical therapist that knew something

about what we had ahead of us (so much more then anyone we had bet at

that time) and she put her neck on the block and contacted our

insurance company and had them stop approval and wrote up a very

detailed explaination as to why needed an invacare motorized

chair that tilted....of course had the added complication of

diabetis but one very strong argument for the tilt feature was the

danger of pneumonia and pressure sores that result from someone not

moving for long periods of time....which is the case with the

progression of this disease......our insurance approved the 16,000

chair instead of the quickie based on the information that she

provided to the doctor and the insurance. Oh, yes, part of the

argument was that he could change his position himself (which he did

for many years), I still change his position for him many times

during the day...it has enabled me to get him in the best position

for swallowing with a bent head and had made it possible for him to

be up and in the chair during the day and for him to travel even

though he is totally immobile now!........I just wish that everyone

that has this condition could have the same type of chair....I would

suggest that you at least try to get one like it....all they can say

is no.....

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