Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways. I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at 183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement. All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better at 183 than I did at 218. I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? " Thanks for listening. Connie 12/20/2000 RNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Dear Connie - Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you! I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't " cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a claim I could never ever make. I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for post-op compliance. I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am 5'8 " . I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although " diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at 205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake. I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD. I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment inside me!) I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose, other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for many years after the surgery. Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories, had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost 110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me. The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass (you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional diets. The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights) because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet -- any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you need it/want it. LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something, because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a major loss!) Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort. Your WLS friend, Keltie connie4706 wrote: Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways. I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at 183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement. All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better at 183 than I did at 218. I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? " Thanks for listening. Connie 12/20/2000 RNY --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Dear Connie - Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you! I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't " cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a claim I could never ever make. I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for post-op compliance. I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am 5'8 " . I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although " diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at 205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake. I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD. I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment inside me!) I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose, other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for many years after the surgery. Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories, had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost 110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me. The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass (you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional diets. The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights) because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet -- any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you need it/want it. LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something, because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a major loss!) Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort. Your WLS friend, Keltie connie4706 wrote: Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways. I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at 183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement. All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better at 183 than I did at 218. I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? " Thanks for listening. Connie 12/20/2000 RNY --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Dear Connie - Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you! I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't " cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a claim I could never ever make. I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for post-op compliance. I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am 5'8 " . I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although " diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at 205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake. I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD. I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment inside me!) I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose, other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for many years after the surgery. Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories, had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost 110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me. The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass (you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional diets. The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights) because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet -- any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you need it/want it. LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something, because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a major loss!) Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort. Your WLS friend, Keltie connie4706 wrote: Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways. I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at 183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement. All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better at 183 than I did at 218. I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? " Thanks for listening. Connie 12/20/2000 RNY --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 What about your stoma? What was the size of your stoma in the tests?? Dawn--far south suburban Chicago, IL area Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH BPD/DS 4/27/00 www.duodenalswitch.com 267 to 160 5' 4 " O.K. The 5 pounds I lost end Dec./Beg. Jan has stayed off so I changed it! size 22 to size 10 have made size goal no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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