Lowest Weight Loss after Surgery???

[Guest guest]

Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35

lbs. to date and that was in the first three months. I have had a

leak test and recently I had an endoscope due to liver and stomach

problems. According to the specialist my pounch is still very small

and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this problem from three

months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I am going

to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really

lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I

know " this is just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways.

I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now

weigh in at 183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and

183. I don't have a gall bladder but I do have liver function

problems from time to time. I am now experimenting with some natural

supplements to see if I can get a handle on this problem. By the way

according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and continue to do

more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway I am

looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or

encouragement.

All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because

without it I couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty

good. I feel so much better at 183 than I did at 218.

I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick

up some pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged

about there weight loss or gain and I think " How would you feel in my

shoes? "

Thanks for listening.

Connie

12/20/2000 RNY

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie -

Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you!

I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed

to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the

details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was

crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't

" cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from

people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a

claim I could never ever make.

I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake

is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he

was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not

doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for

post-op compliance.

I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I

weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the

month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces

the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am

5'8 " .

I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I

think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in

my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although

" diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my

dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't

overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to

serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein

first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less

inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having

a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at

205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I

get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake.

I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this

point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I

did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan

through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD.

I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further

surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I

don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good

surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't

suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or

starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment

inside me!)

I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose,

other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it

always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short

honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving

on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's

a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still

need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for

many years after the surgery.

Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt

at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit

carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During

the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I

was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was

selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories,

had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost

110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was

somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me.

The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was

ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass

(you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional

diets.

The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went

from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years

eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights)

because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to

prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet --

any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to

take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things

fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you

need it/want it.

LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel

like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of

self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I

was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something,

because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff

that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just

hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better

ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will

continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening

legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are

also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body

type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing

field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that

is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a

major loss!)

Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I

just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and

frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be

able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort.

Your WLS friend,

Keltie

connie4706 wrote:

Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date

and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I

had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist

my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this

problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I

am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really

lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is

just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways.

I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at

183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall

bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now

experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this

problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and

continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway

I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement.

All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I

couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better

at 183 than I did at 218.

I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some

pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss

or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? "

Thanks for listening.

Connie

12/20/2000 RNY

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie -

Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you!

I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed

to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the

details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was

crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't

" cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from

people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a

claim I could never ever make.

I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake

is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he

was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not

doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for

post-op compliance.

I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I

weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the

month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces

the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am

5'8 " .

I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I

think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in

my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although

" diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my

dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't

overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to

serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein

first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less

inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having

a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at

205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I

get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake.

I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this

point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I

did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan

through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD.

I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further

surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I

don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good

surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't

suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or

starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment

inside me!)

I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose,

other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it

always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short

honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving

on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's

a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still

need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for

many years after the surgery.

Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt

at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit

carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During

the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I

was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was

selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories,

had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost

110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was

somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me.

The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was

ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass

(you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional

diets.

The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went

from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years

eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights)

because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to

prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet --

any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to

take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things

fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you

need it/want it.

LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel

like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of

self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I

was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something,

because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff

that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just

hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better

ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will

continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening

legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are

also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body

type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing

field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that

is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a

major loss!)

Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I

just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and

frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be

able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort.

Your WLS friend,

Keltie

connie4706 wrote:

Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date

and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I

had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist

my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this

problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I

am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really

lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is

just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways.

I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at

183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall

bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now

experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this

problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and

continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway

I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement.

All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I

couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better

at 183 than I did at 218.

I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some

pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss

or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? "

Thanks for listening.

Connie

12/20/2000 RNY

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie -

Wow, I thought my weight loss after my open RnY sucked... big, big hugs to you!

I was 315# in Dec 2000 when I had my surgery. Months after pounds just seemed

to slowly leave, I finally called the surgeon's office and asked about the

details of my surgery -- only to find that I had a VERY proximal Rny. I was

crushed, depressed... but as the weight came off, I started to walk. I couldn't

" cheat " like the others were doing... I read post after post in my group from

people who signed " 100 lbs gone forever " after their names, knowing that was a

claim I could never ever make.

I walk 3 miles in under an hour at least 3 to 4 times a week. My calorie intake

is under 2000 calories on most days. I stopped going to my surgeon because he

was making me feel as if I were the one at fault, rather than the surgery not

doing exactly what he assured me it would do. I was the poster child for

post-op compliance.

I do admit my weight loss is a lot better than yours. I'm 48 years old. I

weigh anywhere between 205 and 211 these days, depending on " that time of the

month " . I feel very hungry for several days a month, which generally announces

the onset of PMS... and once I have my period, my appetite slackens off. I am

5'8 " .

I had been morbidly obese for many years, and had been obese since childhood. I

think that -- coupled with factors of my age -- contributed to the slowdown in

my weight loss. I **worked** hard at losing 40 lbs since last summer. Although

" diet " is not in my vocabulary, I watch what I eat. I don't " tease " my

dump-o-meter, at least not often. It works fine (and as long as I don't

overwhelm it with continued assaults of sweets and fatty foods, it continues to

serve me). My pouch seems fine as well. When I follow the regimen of protein

first, followed by veggies, then other carbs, I stay full for hours and am less

inclined to pick. I eat fruits and nuts, occasionally I will give in to having

a slice of homemade bread, pasta on rare occasion... And I am pretty happy at

205#. (Of course, I do the frowny-face when the scale does its bounce.) When I

get the upward bounce, I am extra careful about water intake.

I don't know what to tell ya, but I sure feel for you. Further surgery at this

point does not seem worth it, as long as my weight remains relatively stable. I

did join a group called OSSG-Revision, get the posts in digest form, and scan

through it. Some people are working at getting a revision from RnY to DS/BPD.

I don't know how worthwhile that may be, for I had also heard that further

surgery would not result in a loss of more than about 25 lbs. At this point, I

don't want to put my body through the trauma again... I had a relatively good

surgical experience the first time. No nausea, no constant diarrhea... I don't

suffer from flatulence all that much, unless I do eat carbs like bread, pasta or

starchy vegetables like corn or lima beans. (Heheh... not much to ferment

inside me!)

I don't thinking cutting back to 900 calories a day really serves any purpose,

other than to further slow your metabolism. Our bodies are amazing, and it

always seeks equilibrium at all times... that's why we only have a short

honeymoon period after surgery. Your body will not only get used to surviving

on 900 calories a day, you will also stop losing weight at that level, and it's

a sure bet that you are not taking in the nutrients that you need. And we still

need nutrients, because a certain amount of malabsorption is still ongoing for

many years after the surgery.

Several years prior to surgery, I went on the Atkins program as my last attempt

at a diet. It's low carb, and only in the induction phase do you actually limit

carb intake to 20g or less of carbs a day. That's for a 2 week period. During

the weight loss phase, you slowly reintroduce " good carbs " into your diet... I

was losing 1-2 lbs a week taking in 30-35 g of carbs as a daily average. I was

selective about my foods, had a lot of chicken and fish, didn't count calories,

had drawn butter with my shrimp or lobster, enjoyed steaks and salads. I lost

110# in about a year... did not feel deprived, and my daily calorie count was

somewhere close to 3000 calories a day. Just amazed the bejeezus out of me.

The point is, the diet changed the metabolic state of my body... It was

ketogenic, which meant that I was burning body fat and losing less protein mass

(you lose muscle tissue on typical low calorie diets) than on conventional

diets.

The carb monster reasserted itself, I got derailed... but... in 1995/96, I went

from probably around 360# down to 245#. On the job stress over the years

eroded my resolve, I started hitting the candy machine at night (I work nights)

because nothing else was available to eat, and I was usually too tired to

prepare the meals I had done in the past which assured my success on the diet --

any successful food program requires some degree of planning because you need to

take care of your needs. It's amazing how on-track you can be, how easy things

fall into place, when you have your food there and available to you when you

need it/want it.

LOL -- I should talk It's still a struggle for me every day... but I feel

like at least I'm on an even playing field. I've MAINTAINED. (Big round of

self-applause and back-slapping for THAT one!!!) I weigh less than I did when I

was in high school. One day I promise myself that I will weigh 1-something,

because I need that to 'feed my head.' I have OLD FAT on my body now, stuff

that has been there for years and years, and is loathe to move... and I just

hope by finding ways to increase my daily activities and just learning better

ways to eat, watching my labwork, attending to my nutritional needs, I will

continue to live on into old-age... (my parents died young -- a frightening

legacy!) I'm 48... I had faced the possibility of diabetes, obese people are

also at greater risk for cancer... My dad had both (and I inherited my body

type and tendency towards obesity from him)... I just want to level the playing

field, and want to be around to see grandchildren. (My son is 12 now, so that

is a LONG way off. My baby never knew his grandparents, and that was such a

major loss!)

Sorry for rambling... I guess that is why I don't post that often. Connie, I

just wanted you to know that you are not alone with your disappointment and

frustration and depression. Your surgery was 2 weeks after mine. I may not be

able to give you any answers, but I sure hope I provided some source of comfort.

Your WLS friend,

Keltie

connie4706 wrote:

Hi Group-I has open RNY-Proximal December 2000. I have only loss 35 lbs. to date

and that was in the first three months. I have had a leak test and recently I

had an endoscope due to liver and stomach problems. According to the specialist

my pounch is still very small and the RNY is in tact. Has anyone else had this

problem from three months out? I have tried watching what I eat and I figure I

am going to have to resort to the old days of 900 calories or less to really

lose more weight but I hate that!!! This is why I had surgery. I know " this is

just a tool " but it's depressing in some ways.

I am 52 years young and am 5'1 " tall. I started out at 218# and now weigh in at

183#. I kind of bounce back and forth between 175 and 183. I don't have a gall

bladder but I do have liver function problems from time to time. I am now

experimenting with some natural supplements to see if I can get a handle on this

problem. By the way according to my DOC my thyroid is normal. I have and

continue to do more exercise. I have also tried upping my protein first, anyway

I am looking for a solution and would appreciate any ideas or encouragement.

All said and done I am sincerely glad I had the surgery because without it I

couldn't have gotten to 183 so my attitude is pretty good. I feel so much better

at 183 than I did at 218.

I receive the digest form of messages from this news group and pick up some

pretty good tips. I read about people being discouraged about there weight loss

or gain and I think " How would you feel in my shoes? "

Thanks for listening.

Connie

12/20/2000 RNY

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[Guest guest]

What about your stoma? What was the size of your stoma in the tests??

Dawn--far south suburban Chicago, IL area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 160 5' 4 " O.K. The 5 pounds I lost end Dec./Beg. Jan has stayed off so

I changed it!

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting