Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 I believe that we all have SOMETHING that is such an emotional issue that we can't respond rationally. For me, it's tanning booths. For one individual on this list, it appears to be alcohol. I posted a question about drinking, and was greeted with an emotional rant about drinking and driving. This is analogous to someone posting a question about intercourse, and then getting an angry e-mail preaching on the evils of pedophilia. My e-mail lets me sort by e-mail address and subject. This feature makes it very easy for me to delete those messages that probably aren't worth my time and energy. Many different e-mail systems let us do this. Frequently, when I see DOZENS of messages on the same topic, I know someone's fighting, and I delete the whole bunch. I didn't even know we'd had another calcium / dairy fight until it was mentioned in another e-mail. in St. Louis throwing back a straight shot of tequila while cruising for pubescent boys after running with scissors, just before calling my terriers mean names... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Actually I don't believe that the comment about Don't drink and drive even after one sip is extreme. Ever see anyone who has been in an accident caused by someone who thought they were sober enough to drive? Most drunk people that I have encountered think they are just fine and the alcohol is not affecting them even if they can't stand up straight. With the way we metabolize alcohol after WLS especially, 1 sip is 1 too many to get behind the wheel of a car. Alcohol affects people differently but studies have shown that any alcohol can have a measurable affect on reflexes and driving ability. If you drink, don't drive. Its an absolute statement because in my opinion it doesn't require anyone to rely on judgement which may get fuzzy after a beer or two or ten to determine how much is too much. Yes we are in danger if we consume even slight amounts of alcohol. The people in your support group have been very lucky if they have been indulging and not getting liver cirrhosis, alcoholic-related pancreatitis, or arrested. I am curious as to what surgeon you have as I was told four years ago when I had my surgery what the problems could be and that it would affect me much harder and more quickly. As for being on a high horse, maybe I am. I am glad you were caught is because YOU WERE NOT HURT, you didn't hurt anyone else, and while this may seem a horrible lesson, it is one you won't forget. You didn't suffer anything but embarrassment for finding yourself in the predicament which is good. I do hope though that you will inform your live support group about the effects of alcohol because if they don't know, they can learn from you. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 > Safe levels of alcohol > > > I don't mind people saying don't drink and drive. However, one sip of > alcohol does not make a drunk driver, so that comment is extreme. > > However, most of us know from our high school classes that an average > 150 pound person can consume and metabolize 1 oz. of alcohol per hour > safely. Over that risks intoxication. > > My point is that, even at our far greater than average weights (which > should allow us to consume more than average without ill effects) we > are in danger if we have more the 2 OZ. IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD! > > Now teetotallers may get on their high horse (and I'm practically > one...can count on two hands how many times I've had a drink since I > got pregnant with my now 9 year old), but I know from the support > groups that many people consume more than this amount occasionally in > a 24 hour period, and I'm fairly positive they were never told about > the possible consequences. > > In fact, I believe even the Dr.s don't have much information on this > subject yet. That's why we need to keep each other informed. > > I have a good lawyer, and my driving record is spotless, so I'll just > have to go to class, but it could have been worse. Thank God. > > Vicki > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Actually I don't believe that the comment about Don't drink and drive even after one sip is extreme. Ever see anyone who has been in an accident caused by someone who thought they were sober enough to drive? Most drunk people that I have encountered think they are just fine and the alcohol is not affecting them even if they can't stand up straight. With the way we metabolize alcohol after WLS especially, 1 sip is 1 too many to get behind the wheel of a car. Alcohol affects people differently but studies have shown that any alcohol can have a measurable affect on reflexes and driving ability. If you drink, don't drive. Its an absolute statement because in my opinion it doesn't require anyone to rely on judgement which may get fuzzy after a beer or two or ten to determine how much is too much. Yes we are in danger if we consume even slight amounts of alcohol. The people in your support group have been very lucky if they have been indulging and not getting liver cirrhosis, alcoholic-related pancreatitis, or arrested. I am curious as to what surgeon you have as I was told four years ago when I had my surgery what the problems could be and that it would affect me much harder and more quickly. As for being on a high horse, maybe I am. I am glad you were caught is because YOU WERE NOT HURT, you didn't hurt anyone else, and while this may seem a horrible lesson, it is one you won't forget. You didn't suffer anything but embarrassment for finding yourself in the predicament which is good. I do hope though that you will inform your live support group about the effects of alcohol because if they don't know, they can learn from you. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 > Safe levels of alcohol > > > I don't mind people saying don't drink and drive. However, one sip of > alcohol does not make a drunk driver, so that comment is extreme. > > However, most of us know from our high school classes that an average > 150 pound person can consume and metabolize 1 oz. of alcohol per hour > safely. Over that risks intoxication. > > My point is that, even at our far greater than average weights (which > should allow us to consume more than average without ill effects) we > are in danger if we have more the 2 OZ. IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD! > > Now teetotallers may get on their high horse (and I'm practically > one...can count on two hands how many times I've had a drink since I > got pregnant with my now 9 year old), but I know from the support > groups that many people consume more than this amount occasionally in > a 24 hour period, and I'm fairly positive they were never told about > the possible consequences. > > In fact, I believe even the Dr.s don't have much information on this > subject yet. That's why we need to keep each other informed. > > I have a good lawyer, and my driving record is spotless, so I'll just > have to go to class, but it could have been worse. Thank God. > > Vicki > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 I wasn't gonna enter in to this one, because I KNOW that for me, this is a hot button issue. I spent years as a paramedic. I won't even go in any details of how many countless accidents I went to where alcohol played a factor. Wish you could see some of these memories thru my eyes. But anyway. >For one individual on this list, it appears to be alcohol. I posted a >question about drinking, and was greeted with an emotional rant about >drinking and driving. This is analogous to someone posting a question about >intercourse, and then getting an angry e-mail preaching on the evils of >pedophilia. As a vicitim of sexual abuse, I would say it IS the same. In a very different way. In both cases, most often, it is the innocent victim that suffers life long (or sometimes life ENDING) consequences. It is NEVER okay to drink and drive, surgery or no surgery. And I think it does a huge wrong to everyone when we teach teenagers how to calculate how much is safe. Because, again, " oh, I felt fine " . It is NEVER okay. Do I think this based on some emotion? You betcha. Nightmares I still have after 15 years of some really horrible crashes, one that happened right in front of me while our ambulance was parked on a side street. Another that was an off duty sherrif - killed his passenger, and took us & the fire department 50 minutes to pry him out of what was left of his SUV that was literally wrapped around a pole, 6 feet off the ground. They had stopped for " a few beers " after work. Want me to go on? The kid that was mowed down on a bike, because some had a drink with lunch? Oh- only one glass of wine? It is NEVER okay. I happen to think that anyone stopped with any alcohol or reflex impairing drugs in their system should be shot thru the head at the scene. No tickets, no whining " but I thought it would be okay " . Nope. But that isn't likely to happen. Do I think it would be useful to put offenders in ambulances, make them ride along on New Year's Eve? I think there aren't enough available seats in the country for the change that would evoke. I am glad that no one was hurt in this incident. By all means, spread the word. NEVER DRINK AND DRIVE. dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Okey dokey, we all get the point. I agree....but can we stop beating (another) dead pony, to quote ?? Let's move on.... KC Safe levels of alcohol I wasn't gonna enter in to this one, because I KNOW that for me, this is a hot button issue. I spent years as a paramedic. I won't even go in any details of how many countless accidents I went to where alcohol played a factor. Wish you could see some of these memories thru my eyes. But anyway. >For one individual on this list, it appears to be alcohol. I posted a >question about drinking, and was greeted with an emotional rant about >drinking and driving. This is analogous to someone posting a question about >intercourse, and then getting an angry e-mail preaching on the evils of >pedophilia. As a vicitim of sexual abuse, I would say it IS the same. In a very different way. In both cases, most often, it is the innocent victim that suffers life long (or sometimes life ENDING) consequences. It is NEVER okay to drink and drive, surgery or no surgery. And I think it does a huge wrong to everyone when we teach teenagers how to calculate how much is safe. Because, again, " oh, I felt fine " . It is NEVER okay. Do I think this based on some emotion? You betcha. Nightmares I still have after 15 years of some really horrible crashes, one that happened right in front of me while our ambulance was parked on a side street. Another that was an off duty sherrif - killed his passenger, and took us & the fire department 50 minutes to pry him out of what was left of his SUV that was literally wrapped around a pole, 6 feet off the ground. They had stopped for " a few beers " after work. Want me to go on? The kid that was mowed down on a bike, because some had a drink with lunch? Oh- only one glass of wine? It is NEVER okay. I happen to think that anyone stopped with any alcohol or reflex impairing drugs in their system should be shot thru the head at the scene. No tickets, no whining " but I thought it would be okay " . Nope. But that isn't likely to happen. Do I think it would be useful to put offenders in ambulances, make them ride along on New Year's Eve? I think there aren't enough available seats in the country for the change that would evoke. I am glad that no one was hurt in this incident. By all means, spread the word. NEVER DRINK AND DRIVE. dee Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 This is a WLS list. Everyone has been warned very well now about the dangers of drinking after WLS, especially after driving. It has perhaps saved someone's health or their life. It should be repeated for newbies in the future. However, this list is no one's personal soapbox for who should be shot and who should not. IMHO, one act is just as violent as the other. And this comment which implies one of our members should be shot is way the hell over the top. So, keep the good advice coming and cool down the personal rhetoric. List Moderator > I wasn't gonna enter in to this one, because I KNOW that for me, this is a > hot button issue. > > I happen to think that anyone stopped with any alcohol or > reflex impairing drugs in their system should be shot thru the head at the > scene. > dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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