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You were probably closer the first time.

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> Criminny, that was supposed to be sick-doctor, not dick-doctor

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You were probably closer the first time.

Martha H

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> Criminny, that was supposed to be sick-doctor, not dick-doctor

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> love,

> ceep

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In a message dated 9/24/2002 2:17:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

shine@... writes:

<< Thanks for letting me vent,

much love,

Shelby

>>

Oh Lord,

I am sitting here bawling like a baby. Ceep definitely had it right the

first time when she called him a dick-doctor.

Did you urge her to drink more of the shake? She may just be too tired to

eat. At this point a feeding tube is probably in order.

As far as the teenager is concerned, bless her heart, she wants to eat like a

typical teenager. But she probably wants to be pretty even more, she just

doesn't know how to do it alone. Heck, I consider myself a very intelligent

45 year old and it took several support groups to get me on the road to

recovery.

Do they have internet access? Do you think you could truly reach the girl by

offering to give her a makeover? I would be happy to chip in for some

products, etc. if you think that would be an effective approach.

Please let me know if I can be of help.

B

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In a message dated 9/24/2002 2:17:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

shine@... writes:

<< Thanks for letting me vent,

much love,

Shelby

>>

Oh Lord,

I am sitting here bawling like a baby. Ceep definitely had it right the

first time when she called him a dick-doctor.

Did you urge her to drink more of the shake? She may just be too tired to

eat. At this point a feeding tube is probably in order.

As far as the teenager is concerned, bless her heart, she wants to eat like a

typical teenager. But she probably wants to be pretty even more, she just

doesn't know how to do it alone. Heck, I consider myself a very intelligent

45 year old and it took several support groups to get me on the road to

recovery.

Do they have internet access? Do you think you could truly reach the girl by

offering to give her a makeover? I would be happy to chip in for some

products, etc. if you think that would be an effective approach.

Please let me know if I can be of help.

B

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Hi gang,

I am so sad and so mad all at once. I am a hairdresser (I don't work

in the field, but am still liscensed). I went to the home of a

friend, whom I haven't seen in many years this morning. She called me

yesterday and asked me to come by and fix her hair. She has been very

sick for quite some time. As it turns out, she had gastric bypass

last year and hit bottom 6 weeks ago. She almost died, because her

protein dropped to almost ZERO!! She looks terrible. She only weighs

129 lbs, but her hair is coming out by wads, she can't get up and

down by herself. She uses a walker to get around and had to be on TPN

IV drip for 4 weeks! This woman is 40 but looks 80!! She leaned on

the counter as she walked through the kitchen and began to bleed

because her skin is so fragile, AND SHE STILL DOESN " T TAKE HER VITS

OR DRINK SHAKES! She says that the pills hurt her stomach going

down! I took my protein powder and my blender and made her up a

shake. She took 2 sips, said, " That's good " but never touched another

drop! I was there for almost 4 hours this morning and she never ate a

thing. She can't even take oral medicine for pain because her

stomach is so full of ulcers. She has to use a patch which isn't even

touching the pain. Her feet are swollen and her legs are weeping

fluid because she is shutting down big time! She even has boils on

the bottoms of her feet!

My goodness, what will it take to wake some people up? Now, her 14

year old daughter has just had the surgery in JULY!!! A wacko local

surgeon, who is out for EVERYONE " S money did this surgery on this

kid. While I was in this home, there was a bag of tootsie roll

suckers on the couch, a box of fiddle faddle on the end table,

crackers and chips on the counter in the kitchen, frozen pizza's in

the freezer (I had to put the lite whipped cream that I brought in

there)and cokes in the fridge. I also saw cans of BOOST and ensure on

the dining room table. That's what her surgeon told her to drink if

she couldn't eat!! But, she's not even doing that.

I know that if the mother is in this shape, the daughter probably is

not heading in the right direction either. (She was gone to school

this morning). I am mad!!! MAD at surgeon's who could do someone like

this and not insist that they take care of themselves!! Mad at

surgeon's who are out for money and would do a surgery of this type

on a 14 year old after seeing the shape that her mom is in!!! Who is

going to teach this child the right way to eat?? Her mother is almost

dead!!! I want to go to this woman's house and force feed her the

shakes! How on earth and I suppose to drive by her house each day

knowing that there is something that could turn her around, but her

" surgeon doesn't think she needs those shakes. " He told her to eat

129 grams in protein per day. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN SHE DO THAT IF

SHE CAN " T STAND A VITAMIN ON HER STOMACH??

KAREN B. I shared with her a portion of your story, (what little I

know) and how well you seem to have recovered by doing the shakes.

Anything else that you can share..that may help me to reach

her..would be greatly appreciated. Any of you other GB people who

have had to go on TPN..Email me..I am very frustrated by this

situation! I want to help her, but don't know what to do!

Please excuse me..I just had to vent. I have heard of people having

to go on TPN because of crashing..but this is the first time I have

seen it with my eyes..and I am ANGRY! There is no reason for her to

be like this. But because her surgeon has taken a " nonchalant "

approach, so has she. And now I fear for her 14 year old too!

Thanks for letting me vent,

much love,

Shelby

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OT-Friend crashed-need to vent

Criminny, that was supposed to be sick-doctor, not dick-doctor

geez

love,

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Either way it works!!

Typo or Freudian slip )

OT-Friend crashed-need to vent

Criminny, that was supposed to be sick-doctor, not dick-doctor

geez

love,

ceep

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KAREN B. I shared with her a portion of your story, (what little I

know) and how well you seem to have recovered by doing the shakes.

Anything else that you can share..that may help me to reach

her..would be greatly appreciated

Oh my God! I have tears in my eyes sitting here reading this! Where does she

live? You have to find someone, a nutritionist ANYONE who will help her! She

needs to drink the shakes, one shot glass at a time. She needs a doc quickly.

Call the AMA or something, or home health care to get someone to come and help

her. Call the anorexia foundation, possibly they could help or refer her to a

doctor who could build her back up...before it's too late!!!

We will keep her in our prayers.

I am starting to get more involved with our local support group here in

Sacramento area, and many of the posties don't really realize the importance of

protein... they are still on the " free-ride " mentality as most of the docs

around (two in particular) don't have any patients who are further than about

3-4 years out. They do recommend protein, about 60 g a day, but don't insist

upon it.

Where does your friend live???

B

Folsom, CA

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KAREN B. I shared with her a portion of your story, (what little I

know) and how well you seem to have recovered by doing the shakes.

Anything else that you can share..that may help me to reach

her..would be greatly appreciated

Oh my God! I have tears in my eyes sitting here reading this! Where does she

live? You have to find someone, a nutritionist ANYONE who will help her! She

needs to drink the shakes, one shot glass at a time. She needs a doc quickly.

Call the AMA or something, or home health care to get someone to come and help

her. Call the anorexia foundation, possibly they could help or refer her to a

doctor who could build her back up...before it's too late!!!

We will keep her in our prayers.

I am starting to get more involved with our local support group here in

Sacramento area, and many of the posties don't really realize the importance of

protein... they are still on the " free-ride " mentality as most of the docs

around (two in particular) don't have any patients who are further than about

3-4 years out. They do recommend protein, about 60 g a day, but don't insist

upon it.

Where does your friend live???

B

Folsom, CA

[Guest guest]

Shelby,

I am no expert but your friend needs serious help soon. It seems to me that

she needs to be hospitalized before her vital organs fail her. Other than

medical help, it seems she may need psychiatric help as well. I considered

myself committing slow suicide while I was overweight. That was part of my

reason for having WLS. Honestly, I think a majority of people that are over

weight are depressed. Possibly your friend is depressed and now going in the

other direction. I don't know what is available where you live, but please

make some calls.

As for her 14 year old daughter...what are the laws now on doing WLS on a

minor. When I had mine in '93', there was a 16 yr. old getting this done.

They had to go through a court to get it done since she was a minor. Please

keep us updated.

Dawn

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Shelby,

I am no expert but your friend needs serious help soon. It seems to me that

she needs to be hospitalized before her vital organs fail her. Other than

medical help, it seems she may need psychiatric help as well. I considered

myself committing slow suicide while I was overweight. That was part of my

reason for having WLS. Honestly, I think a majority of people that are over

weight are depressed. Possibly your friend is depressed and now going in the

other direction. I don't know what is available where you live, but please

make some calls.

As for her 14 year old daughter...what are the laws now on doing WLS on a

minor. When I had mine in '93', there was a 16 yr. old getting this done.

They had to go through a court to get it done since she was a minor. Please

keep us updated.

Dawn

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I really think this woman needs immediate medical help from her PCP

since obviously her surgeon is a useless (swear word) and she sounds

like she's in deep trouble health-wise. And I think she should be

encouraged to file a complaint with her State's Medical Examiners Board

because her surgeon is just plain irresponsible. Not only has he let

this woman crash and burn nutritionally, but I think operating on a 14

year old is outrageous. I believe it also goes against the NIH's

guidelines (never mind common sense).

Moseley

310/135/125

Open RNY 09/17/01

Reconstructive/plastics 07/22/02

Medial thighplasty 12/26/02

http://www.ziobro.us

[Guest guest]

I really think this woman needs immediate medical help from her PCP

since obviously her surgeon is a useless (swear word) and she sounds

like she's in deep trouble health-wise. And I think she should be

encouraged to file a complaint with her State's Medical Examiners Board

because her surgeon is just plain irresponsible. Not only has he let

this woman crash and burn nutritionally, but I think operating on a 14

year old is outrageous. I believe it also goes against the NIH's

guidelines (never mind common sense).

Moseley

310/135/125

Open RNY 09/17/01

Reconstructive/plastics 07/22/02

Medial thighplasty 12/26/02

http://www.ziobro.us

[Guest guest]

I have made up my mind that I am going over there everyday. I drive

right by her house on the way to my kids school in the mornings and

afternoons. I am going to insist that she get these shakes down. I

will keep you all posted. I know that she has visiting nurses who

come in 4 times per week. I'm not sure what kind of care they are

giving her or if they are monitoring her intake, but I saw today,

that she's not eating anything. I haven't seen this woman in quite

some time. (several years) and we were not especially close then. (I

was her hairdresser). But, I do not think that it was a coincidence

that she called me yesterday. I take this as a divine appointment.

Thanks for all of your suggestions..I am definantly going to stay on

top of this one. I discussed with her today, the need to find

another surgeon. She agreed that he was not doing the job. When her

daughter went in for a follow up last time, He asked if she was doing

okay, she said yes..and he said, " okay, see you next time. " I think

that if I keep in contact with her and get to know her better, she'll

allow me to give her more guidance. I definantly am not going to

back off on the protein thing. If I have to make a different recipe

everyday, 12 times a day..I'm going to find something that she can

tolerate!!

Much love,

Shelby

[Guest guest]

I have made up my mind that I am going over there everyday. I drive

right by her house on the way to my kids school in the mornings and

afternoons. I am going to insist that she get these shakes down. I

will keep you all posted. I know that she has visiting nurses who

come in 4 times per week. I'm not sure what kind of care they are

giving her or if they are monitoring her intake, but I saw today,

that she's not eating anything. I haven't seen this woman in quite

some time. (several years) and we were not especially close then. (I

was her hairdresser). But, I do not think that it was a coincidence

that she called me yesterday. I take this as a divine appointment.

Thanks for all of your suggestions..I am definantly going to stay on

top of this one. I discussed with her today, the need to find

another surgeon. She agreed that he was not doing the job. When her

daughter went in for a follow up last time, He asked if she was doing

okay, she said yes..and he said, " okay, see you next time. " I think

that if I keep in contact with her and get to know her better, she'll

allow me to give her more guidance. I definantly am not going to

back off on the protein thing. If I have to make a different recipe

everyday, 12 times a day..I'm going to find something that she can

tolerate!!

Much love,

Shelby

[Guest guest]

I have made up my mind that I am going over there everyday. I drive

right by her house on the way to my kids school in the mornings and

afternoons. I am going to insist that she get these shakes down. I

will keep you all posted. I know that she has visiting nurses who

come in 4 times per week. I'm not sure what kind of care they are

giving her or if they are monitoring her intake, but I saw today,

that she's not eating anything. I haven't seen this woman in quite

some time. (several years) and we were not especially close then. (I

was her hairdresser). But, I do not think that it was a coincidence

that she called me yesterday. I take this as a divine appointment.

Thanks for all of your suggestions..I am definantly going to stay on

top of this one. I discussed with her today, the need to find

another surgeon. She agreed that he was not doing the job. When her

daughter went in for a follow up last time, He asked if she was doing

okay, she said yes..and he said, " okay, see you next time. " I think

that if I keep in contact with her and get to know her better, she'll

allow me to give her more guidance. I definantly am not going to

back off on the protein thing. If I have to make a different recipe

everyday, 12 times a day..I'm going to find something that she can

tolerate!!

Much love,

Shelby