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In a message dated 6/6/02 10:56:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

danaatty@... writes:

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I have never used tea or stool stuff, but I love GSE! Are there any

indicators that you should not consider GSE? If >>

What indicators would that be? He's not on any meds, just some other supps.

" I give GSE together with No-Fenol. This combination works GREAT!

Plus the No-Fenol helps my son digest the GSE, which has phenol effect

and is citrus. "

Is this around meals & other enzymes, or separate? He has enzymes with every

meal & supplements (appx) 2 hrs in-between.

ProSeed label says " veg. glycerine 60% & Citricidal 40% " .

Thanks Dana,

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In a message dated 6/6/02 9:38:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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I have used all of the products over the past two years for my son and I

would say start with the tea. Give only the tea for several days, you

may see some die-off reactions. We have used this tea for two years and

in my opinion it's very good. The GSE and the Perfect Stool are very

powerful and will cause even more die-off reactions. Don't do all 3 at

once or even 2. Since all will cause die-off you don't want to make

your child feel too sick.

Sharon

>>

Sharon,

Does the tea help with yeast also? How far in-between before adding the stool

formula or GSE do you think?

Decisions, decisions...

Thanks,

Michele

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In a message dated 6/6/02 11:10:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

danaatty@... writes:

<< he has major problems with citrus, liver issues, that sort of

thing, in addition to meds which you say is not an issue. >>

I don't know about liver problems...would there be signs of such issues?

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I have used all of the products over the past two years for my son and I

would say start with the tea. Give only the tea for several days, you

may see some die-off reactions. We have used this tea for two years and

in my opinion it's very good. The GSE and the Perfect Stool are very

powerful and will cause even more die-off reactions. Don't do all 3 at

once or even 2. Since all will cause die-off you don't want to make

your child feel too sick.

Sharon

mmklhughes@... wrote:

> I wanted to try GSE for my son but also have obijwa tea & the perfect

> stool

> coming coming in...my questions are:

>

> -which should I try for him first - GSE or the tea w/stool stuff?

>

> -if GSE, when do I give it to him (around his other supps? okay to

> give

> around enzymes?

>

> -if tea & stool formula, when do I give those (around other supps?

> around

> enzymes or not?

>

> Is the ProSeed brand of GSE okay?

>

> Any info - advice please?

>

> Thank you,

> Michele

>

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Okay, thanks. I can add another list to my name now!

Michele

In a message dated 6/6/02 11:52:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

danaatty@... writes:

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Andy Cutler, PhD, Chemist. His chelation protocol is what is

discussed most on a-m forum. He is the one who gave me the info that

GSE slows down phase 1 liver metabolism, so he should have more info

on testing and signs and things like that.

Dana

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Sharon,

What kind of improvements did you see from the tea? How long did the

" die-off " reaction last? My son is super sensitive to everything.

Thanks,

Michele

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> -which should I try for him first - GSE or the tea w/stool stuff?

I have never used tea or stool stuff, but I love GSE! Are there any

indicators that you should not consider GSE? If there are, then you

might want to start with the tea etc. But if not, I definitely

recommend the GSE!

>

> -if GSE, when do I give it to him (around his other supps? okay to

give

> around enzymes?

I give GSE together with No-Fenol. This combination works GREAT!

Plus the No-Fenol helps my son digest the GSE, which has phenol effect

and is citrus.

>

> -if tea & stool formula, when do I give those (around other supps?

around

> enzymes or not?

>

> Is the ProSeed brand of GSE okay?

I use Nutribiotic. If you post the ingredients of the ProSeed [like

percentages of GSE, other ingredients], I can tell you if it is

comparable to Nutribiotic.

Dana

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> What indicators would that be? He's not on any meds, just some other

supps.

If he has major problems with citrus, liver issues, that sort of

thing, in addition to meds which you say is not an issue.

> Is this around meals & other enzymes, or separate? He has enzymes

with every

> meal & supplements (appx) 2 hrs in-between.

I answered this just now on GFCFKids forum. I give it before meals.

>

> ProSeed label says " veg. glycerine 60% & Citricidal 40% " .

My Nutribiotic says Vegetable glycerin 67% and Citricidal 33%, so

sounds very similar.

Dana

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> In a message dated 6/6/02 11:10:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> danaatty@y... writes:

>

> << he has major problems with citrus, liver issues, that sort of

> thing, in addition to meds which you say is not an issue. >>

>

> I don't know about liver problems...would there be signs of such

issues?

Well, if you give GSE and discover he reacts badly, that would be a

sign. I don't know other signs tho, but you can post here to Andy and

he should be able to give you some info, and maybe recommend a test if

you want to test first.

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If you don't want to test [or even if you do test], I would suggest

you start slow, like maybe 1 drop in the morning, and see how your

child reacts to it, and also how he reacts to any die off.

Dana

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Yes, I do believe it does help somewhat with yeast, but when we've done

other anti-yeast treatments in addition to the tea,. we've seen major

die-off reactions. I like the tea to help boost the immune system,

digestion, and to add important minerals and vitamins. As far as when

to add another supplement, you should just observe your child and add

something new when you're sure there are no negative reactions from the

tea or whatever else you're using. My practice always is to go slow

when starting any new supplement or treatment.

Sharon

mmklhughes@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/6/02 9:38:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Sharonke@... writes:

>

> <<

> I have used all of the products over the past two years for my son and

> I

> would say start with the tea. Give only the tea for several days, you

>

> may see some die-off reactions. We have used this tea for two years

> and

> in my opinion it's very good. The GSE and the Perfect Stool are very

> powerful and will cause even more die-off reactions. Don't do all 3

> at

> once or even 2. Since all will cause die-off you don't want to make

> your child feel too sick.

>

> Sharon

> >>

> Sharon,

>

> Does the tea help with yeast also? How far in-between before adding

> the stool

> formula or GSE do you think?

>

> Decisions, decisions...

>

> Thanks,

> Michele

>

>

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> What kind of test is it?

I don't know, but Andy would.

> Who is Andy?

Andy Cutler, PhD, Chemist. His chelation protocol is what is

discussed most on a-m forum. He is the one who gave me the info that

GSE slows down phase 1 liver metabolism, so he should have more info

on testing and signs and things like that.

Dana

>

> Thanks,

> Michele

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Better eye contact, more language, less colds and viruses, almost no

more seizures. I never saw much of a die-off reaction with the tea,

because I started out with only 1/4 tsp. of prepared tea, then slowly

increased it over time. At times when I've given larger amounts, there

was some hyperactivity. My son is also sensitive to a lot of things,

but always does better all around when on the tea. All of our family

drinks it and periodically when I stop it and then start it again we all

are healthier and my other children (NT) are better behaved. Not sure

how this stuff works but it definitely does good things in the body for

us.

mmklhughes@... wrote:

> Sharon,

>

> What kind of improvements did you see from the tea? How long did the

> " die-off " reaction last? My son is super sensitive to everything.

>

> Thanks,

> Michele

>

>

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Alan, are you on other meds for seizures? My son had

his first seizure about 2 weeks ago. It runs in my

family so wasn't suprised that he had one. Do you

really feel the tea has helped? Any other supplements

that you give for this?

Kristy

Mom to 6.5 y/o Tyler

--- Alan Kemnitzer <Sharonke@...> wrote:

> Better eye contact, more language, less colds and

> viruses, almost no

> more seizures. I never saw much of a die-off

> reaction with the tea,

> because I started out with only 1/4 tsp. of prepared

> tea, then slowly

> increased it over time.

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When my son was 20 months old, he got very ill, became very dehydrated

and began having seizures. He was hospitalized for a few days. They

ran several tests but didn't find anything that they could say caused

his illness. They said it was a " virus " . Since that day he has never

been the same. He began having seizures that came in a cycle. By that I

mean he would have seizures for many hours in one day and then not have

anymore for another month. Then it would happen again. As the months

went on the time between the day of the seizures got closer together

until they were coming one day per week. I have felt for a long time

that some type of parasite, bacteria or virus was the root cause of

this. The ojibwa tea and the GFCF diet were the first interventions

that I tried with my son, but when my son was drinking the tea daily,

his seizures almost completely went away. I feel that the tea was

either killing some organism in his body or supplying needed nutrients

or balancing something out to help with the seizures. During the last

year, my son has been chelating (he has high levels of mercury according

to tests) and we have done lots of yeast treatment and it's very rare

now that he gets any seizures. Not having enough magnesium also can

cause seizures. Mercury throws the magnesium levels off whack in their

systems. Giving magnesium can stop seizures. I've actually used it to

stop my son's seizures. In answer to your question about seizure meds,

my son has never taken any medicine for his seizures. I was convinced

something weird was causing the cyclical seizures and I have been

searching for the root cause of them so that I might stop them

altogether. So far, the interventions and supplements have been making

a difference in how many seizures he gets. Gone are the days of

frequent seizures, thanks to these great e-mail lists that have helped

me during the past two years search for answers to help him.

Sharon

Kristy Hancock wrote:

> Alan, are you on other meds for seizures? My son had

> his first seizure about 2 weeks ago. It runs in my

> family so wasn't suprised that he had one. Do you

> really feel the tea has helped? Any other supplements

> that you give for this?

>

> Kristy

> Mom to 6.5 y/o Tyler

>

> --- Alan Kemnitzer <Sharonke@...> wrote:

> > Better eye contact, more language, less colds and

> > viruses, almost no

> > more seizures. I never saw much of a die-off

> > reaction with the tea,

> > because I started out with only 1/4 tsp. of prepared

> > tea, then slowly

> > increased it over time.

>

> __________________________________________________

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That's wonderful Sharon. May I ask, did your son ever have any vaccs?

Michele

In a message dated 6/6/02 9:29:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Sharonke@... writes:

<< So far, the interventions and supplements have been making

a difference in how many seizures he gets. Gone are the days of

frequent seizures, thanks to these great e-mail lists that have helped

me during the past two years search for answers to help him.

Sharon >>

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Did you give your consent on the vaccine in the hospital? Did they even ask??

We had to tell them several times this time to NOT give her ANY vaccs & had

it in writing. They said they don't do that in the hospital anymore but I

hear about it so I kept her with me the whole time anyway. I think it might

depend on the hospital.

Could his seizures have been brought on by the vaccs? My son is vaccine

injured & autistic.

Blessings,

Michele

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I had planned not to give any until closer to school age, but they gave

him the dreaded Hep B in the hospital after he was born (I didn't even

know that they did that - my older children had never received shots at

birth). He received the rest of his shots after a hospitalized illness

at age 2. So he received ALL of the rest of his shots between age 2 and

3 (that's when all the autistic behaviors began to accompany the

seizures.) He actually got full-blown measles 10 days after receiving

the MMR shot. I just got a medical exemption from my dr. so he will not

get any of the boosters or the chicken pox shot that is required for

Kindergarten.

mmklhughes@... wrote:

> That's wonderful Sharon. May I ask, did your son ever have any vaccs?

>

> Michele

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/6/02 9:29:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Sharonke@... writes:

>

> << So far, the interventions and supplements have been making

> a difference in how many seizures he gets. Gone are the days of

> frequent seizures, thanks to these great e-mail lists that have helped

>

> me during the past two years search for answers to help him.

>

> Sharon >>

>

>

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No I did not. They didn't ask and I didn't know they were going to give

it.

mmklhughes@... wrote:

> Did you give your consent on the vaccine in the hospital? Did they

> even ask??

> We had to tell them several times this time to NOT give her ANY vaccs

> & had

> it in writing. They said they don't do that in the hospital anymore

> but I

> hear about it so I kept her with me the whole time anyway. I think it

> might

> depend on the hospital.

>

> Could his seizures have been brought on by the vaccs? My son is

> vaccine

> injured & autistic.

>

> Blessings,

> Michele

>

>

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Sharon,

Do you still give the tea or is he at a point where he doesn't need

it anymore???

> > > Better eye contact, more language, less colds and

> > > viruses, almost no

> > > more seizures. I never saw much of a die-off

> > > reaction with the tea,

> > > because I started out with only 1/4 tsp. of prepared

> > > tea, then slowly

> > > increased it over time.

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I still give it. Our whole family drinks it.

andya69 wrote:

> Sharon,

> Do you still give the tea or is he at a point where he doesn't need

> it anymore???

>

>

>

>

> > > > Better eye contact, more language, less colds and

> > > > viruses, almost no

> > > > more seizures. I never saw much of a die-off

> > > > reaction with the tea,

> > > > because I started out with only 1/4 tsp. of prepared

> > > > tea, then slowly

> > > > increased it over time.

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

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Hi Michele,

The tea is supposed to be given on an empty stomach if possible - at

least 1 and 1/2 hours away from all other food and or supps. First

thing in the morning or right before bedtime is suggested. I just

finished boiling our first batch.

Hope this helps,

Darlene

>

> -if tea & stool formula, when do I give those (around other supps?

around

> enzymes or not?

> Thank you,

> Michele

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