Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 In a message dated 4/28/03 6:41:54 AM, ingridbeeman@... writes: << I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? >> Lori ( and everyone else following this thread ) When we cough OR sneeze -- it's a valsalva type action that causes an increase in presure of csf = and may cause increased presure /stretching of the cranial nerves ect that are impacted in an individual when their presure goes up . We can't avoid sneezing - but can try to keep one from being " explosive " as much as possible -- blow your nose gently a couple times and use nasel spray as needed under your doctors supervision to avoid severe strains when bad colds hit . The same is true for coughing -- IF your prone to things worsening even a bit - or have SM that hasn't colapsed -- it is a good idea to discuss with your PRIMARY CARE ahead of time how your to handle coughs . Mine wants me to let her know pronto if I develope a cough -and start me on medication to both loosen secretions AND to help supress the frequency . When I cough or sneeze either one -- my left arm /hand goes tingly /dead numb briefly --( it's always on the verge of this now ) -- and I get an electrical jolting sensation down and back up my spine strongly as well . Lifting heavy things is another valsalva like action -- all three of these cause the increase in presure in your head -- through compressing the abdominal muscles /recruiting them in the action in part . All three can cause a hernation to worsen in theory ( they've demonstrated in a few cases how one changed through MRI comparisons as well ) OR can cause a syrinx to increase in size -- potentially causing further dammage . Personally -- there are a few other things I need to avoid for this same reason -- sqating down and bending clear down while seated to tie my shoes or pick something up off the ground for example . If you have doubts about a given action that seems to cause you difficulties and are unsure if you should continue it -- I'd sugest you talk it over with your doctor or a physical therapist and avoid it until you've gotten better guidance . Not everyone has the same degree of a problem with these things -- in some folks the surgery will improve flow enough they arn't a big issue anymore too .. ( In some it's just not an issue too -- this is one of those you MAY have problems with sort of symptoms clusters . ) in Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 In a message dated 4/28/03 6:41:54 AM, ingridbeeman@... writes: << I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? >> Lori ( and everyone else following this thread ) When we cough OR sneeze -- it's a valsalva type action that causes an increase in presure of csf = and may cause increased presure /stretching of the cranial nerves ect that are impacted in an individual when their presure goes up . We can't avoid sneezing - but can try to keep one from being " explosive " as much as possible -- blow your nose gently a couple times and use nasel spray as needed under your doctors supervision to avoid severe strains when bad colds hit . The same is true for coughing -- IF your prone to things worsening even a bit - or have SM that hasn't colapsed -- it is a good idea to discuss with your PRIMARY CARE ahead of time how your to handle coughs . Mine wants me to let her know pronto if I develope a cough -and start me on medication to both loosen secretions AND to help supress the frequency . When I cough or sneeze either one -- my left arm /hand goes tingly /dead numb briefly --( it's always on the verge of this now ) -- and I get an electrical jolting sensation down and back up my spine strongly as well . Lifting heavy things is another valsalva like action -- all three of these cause the increase in presure in your head -- through compressing the abdominal muscles /recruiting them in the action in part . All three can cause a hernation to worsen in theory ( they've demonstrated in a few cases how one changed through MRI comparisons as well ) OR can cause a syrinx to increase in size -- potentially causing further dammage . Personally -- there are a few other things I need to avoid for this same reason -- sqating down and bending clear down while seated to tie my shoes or pick something up off the ground for example . If you have doubts about a given action that seems to cause you difficulties and are unsure if you should continue it -- I'd sugest you talk it over with your doctor or a physical therapist and avoid it until you've gotten better guidance . Not everyone has the same degree of a problem with these things -- in some folks the surgery will improve flow enough they arn't a big issue anymore too .. ( In some it's just not an issue too -- this is one of those you MAY have problems with sort of symptoms clusters . ) in Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 In a message dated 4/28/03 6:41:54 AM, ingridbeeman@... writes: << I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? >> Lori ( and everyone else following this thread ) When we cough OR sneeze -- it's a valsalva type action that causes an increase in presure of csf = and may cause increased presure /stretching of the cranial nerves ect that are impacted in an individual when their presure goes up . We can't avoid sneezing - but can try to keep one from being " explosive " as much as possible -- blow your nose gently a couple times and use nasel spray as needed under your doctors supervision to avoid severe strains when bad colds hit . The same is true for coughing -- IF your prone to things worsening even a bit - or have SM that hasn't colapsed -- it is a good idea to discuss with your PRIMARY CARE ahead of time how your to handle coughs . Mine wants me to let her know pronto if I develope a cough -and start me on medication to both loosen secretions AND to help supress the frequency . When I cough or sneeze either one -- my left arm /hand goes tingly /dead numb briefly --( it's always on the verge of this now ) -- and I get an electrical jolting sensation down and back up my spine strongly as well . Lifting heavy things is another valsalva like action -- all three of these cause the increase in presure in your head -- through compressing the abdominal muscles /recruiting them in the action in part . All three can cause a hernation to worsen in theory ( they've demonstrated in a few cases how one changed through MRI comparisons as well ) OR can cause a syrinx to increase in size -- potentially causing further dammage . Personally -- there are a few other things I need to avoid for this same reason -- sqating down and bending clear down while seated to tie my shoes or pick something up off the ground for example . If you have doubts about a given action that seems to cause you difficulties and are unsure if you should continue it -- I'd sugest you talk it over with your doctor or a physical therapist and avoid it until you've gotten better guidance . Not everyone has the same degree of a problem with these things -- in some folks the surgery will improve flow enough they arn't a big issue anymore too .. ( In some it's just not an issue too -- this is one of those you MAY have problems with sort of symptoms clusters . ) in Paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I'd like to hear any response as well, since this also happens to me. Weird Question Hi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ! Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes.... I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? Thanks, Lori wehnau@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I'd like to hear any response as well, since this also happens to me. Weird Question Hi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ! Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes.... I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? Thanks, Lori wehnau@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I'd like to hear any response as well, since this also happens to me. Weird Question Hi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ! Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes.... I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? Thanks, Lori wehnau@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 If I am having a real intense blow, I get very dizzy and lightheaded. And yes, I make sure I'm sitting down for it. I usually get a headache as well. Diane--- From: Lori Wehnau To: chiari@...: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:46:15 -0400Subject: Weird QuestionHi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ!Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes....I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening?Thanks,Loriwehnau@...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Help section: http://www.yahoogroups.com/help/NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari ContentTo Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribe WACMA Home: Http://www.wacma.com WACMA Online Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiari/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 If I am having a real intense blow, I get very dizzy and lightheaded. And yes, I make sure I'm sitting down for it. I usually get a headache as well. Diane--- From: Lori Wehnau To: chiari@...: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:46:15 -0400Subject: Weird QuestionHi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ!Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes....I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening?Thanks,Loriwehnau@...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Help section: http://www.yahoogroups.com/help/NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari ContentTo Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribe WACMA Home: Http://www.wacma.com WACMA Online Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiari/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 If I am having a real intense blow, I get very dizzy and lightheaded. And yes, I make sure I'm sitting down for it. I usually get a headache as well. Diane--- From: Lori Wehnau To: chiari@...: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:46:15 -0400Subject: Weird QuestionHi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ!Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes....I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening?Thanks,Loriwehnau@...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Help section: http://www.yahoogroups.com/help/NOTE: NCC refers to posts with No Chiari ContentTo Unsubscribe Yourself: chiari-unsubscribe WACMA Home: Http://www.wacma.com WACMA Online Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chiari/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I get the same way sometimes. I assume it is from the pressure that is caused (temporarily) when blowing your nose. It only lasts for an instant and then goes away so I have not really worried about it. a in WA Weird Question > Hi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ! > > Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes.... > I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? > > Thanks, > Lori > wehnau@... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I get the same way sometimes. I assume it is from the pressure that is caused (temporarily) when blowing your nose. It only lasts for an instant and then goes away so I have not really worried about it. a in WA Weird Question > Hi all I hope everyone is having a nice weekend...we finally got some sun and warmth going on here in NJ! > > Anyway, this is going to sound like a stupid question, but here goes.... > I know that coughing, sneezing, etc causes pain with chiari; but I was wondering how your body reacts to blowing your nose. I get really dizzy and feel like I'm going to pass out when I blow my nose. I make sure that I'm sitting down every time I do it...does this sound strange? Anyone know why this might be happening? > > Thanks, > Lori > wehnau@... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2- 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game? Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess. Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Tina I think it is a bad mind set to assume that will happen three years down the road, but everytime i went to my case management meetings pre-op they drilled into our heads that there is a high rate of people who gain weight back. I feel the same way you do but until I am there two or three years down the road, i dont know what to expect. Its hard at this point to imagine over eating because when i do eat i still dont eat all that much. I hear what you are saying, and i think you have the right answer, listen , be a good listener but focus on yourself and dont fall into their problems. I like that you noticed this early on and can recognize the lack of coping mechanism or understanding that the family member has, but sometimes when you want to help people you have to not be critacle to them because then you become alienated by them............Just plant your seeds where you can and pray they sprout sometime............................. I enjoy your thoughts ColleenTina wrote: Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2-3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game?Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess.Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Colleen It just struck me as odd. I didn't say anything to her. We have a somewhat difficult relationship anyway so I never ever really speak my mind to her. I only give her my thoughts when she asks for them. I just always like to fix everything. I've always been the peacekeeper, the fixer upper, the one who is always there and always put everybody else first. For once in my life, I'm putting me first. It's going to piss some people off (actually probably a lot of my in- law family) but that's okay...I'll deal with it the best I can. I may vent a lot! Going skinny dipping tonight? Tina > Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about > others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2- > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game? > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess. > > Tina > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 It's not a weird question, Tina. It happens all the time. The surgery is no guarantee. Remember, it's done with a scalpel, not a magic wand, and it's done on our stomachs, not our brains. Sasha (Dr. Stiles will tell you that they can predict how a patient will progress for the first year post-op, but after that, all bets are off. I almost bit my tongue off in an FTF meeting, when someone said they felt that they would always need food to comfort them. My alarm bells were deafening. This was definately an addict who still didn't " get it. " My own brother has gained his weight back after having the vertical banded gastroplasty procedure years ago. For whatever reason, he just gave up. It breaks my heart, but I can't live his life for him. It's all I can do, to keep passing the open windows myself. All you can do is give her the best example you can, and hope she's paying attention. Uncle Timmy -236 > Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about > others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2- > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game? > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess. > > Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Tina you have such a good additude and sense of yourself that is great ! no skinny dipping tonight its too cold and we didnt put the pool cover on after saturday night, so tonight we settled for vacumming and skimming out the magnolia blossoms and leaves and we chatted while we did that................maybe when the weather is warm again ! ColleenTina wrote: ColleenIt just struck me as odd. I didn't say anything to her. We have a somewhat difficult relationship anyway so I never ever really speak my mind to her. I only give her my thoughts when she asks for them. I just always like to fix everything. I've always been the peacekeeper, the fixer upper, the one who is always there and always put everybody else first. For once in my life, I'm putting me first. It's going to piss some people off (actually probably a lot of my in-law family) but that's okay...I'll deal with it the best I can. I may vent a lot!Going skinny dipping tonight?Tina> Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about > others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2-> 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game?> > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess.> > Tina> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Colleen, I really hope that you are able to carpool with Gordy or as I will not be able to make it to the support group meeting. I plan, however, to make a B-Line to get in and see Robynn sometime that night, even if she does not know I was in and out but it is going to be right around 8:00ish or so. My husband is in Stockton all week at a class for his job to learn how to run a gun range. Nonetheless, if you all are still there, I will see you. Robynn, I hope that is okay. Remember to take the milk mag stuff and you will be okay. It worked but many many hours later. I will be praying for you hon and I know you are going to be so very happy when this is all over with. Pam Marsh --- Colleen Garner irishlilt@...> wrote: > Tina > > you have such a good additude and sense of yourself > that is great ! > no skinny dipping tonight its too cold and we didnt > put the pool cover on after saturday night, so > tonight we settled for vacumming and skimming out > the magnolia blossoms and leaves and we chatted > while we did that................maybe when the > weather is warm again ! > Colleen > > Tina ma2two@...> wrote: > Colleen > > It just struck me as odd. I didn't say anything to > her. We have a > somewhat difficult relationship anyway so I never > ever really speak > my mind to her. I only give her my thoughts when she > asks for them. > I just always like to fix everything. I've always > been the > peacekeeper, the fixer upper, the one who is always > there and always > put everybody else first. For once in my life, I'm > putting me first. > It's going to piss some people off (actually > probably a lot of my in- > law family) but that's okay...I'll deal with it the > best I can. I > may vent a lot! > > Going skinny dipping tonight? > > Tina > > > > Don't you think if someone is already talking > about gaining weight > > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are > setting > themselves > > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I > know that this is > the > > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow > myself to get out > of > > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 > pound window for > myself > > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision > to have surgery > > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I > shouldn't worry > about > > others but when it is someone in my family, I > worry about them. At > 8 > > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about > gaining weight back > in 2- > > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only > one that things > this > > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in > the game? > > > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to > quit worrying > about > > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die > hard I guess. > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 In my quest for knowledge, I was intrigued by the VBG. My thoughts were that it seemed a much simpler and less risky surgery, so why not encourage that surgery over the much more complicated and permanent change of RNYGB. THEN……..I read about the numbers of patients who gained back their weight, either by figuring out how to drink their weight back up by drinking high calorie/fat or the pouch stretching and the band slipping, etc. They also didn’t have the benefit of malabsorbtion, which is paramount to not gaining. Now I understand why the Dr’s first choice and sometimes only choice is the RNY and I understand so much more than when I first started my research. It is sad that after going through so much, someone would give up and gain it back, but I have to admit it is not surprising. Look how many relationships are given up on and how food has been used for so long as a comforting/pacifier type device. Heck, I NEED the restrictive pouch AND the malabsorbtion and maybe even that dumping syndrome……….just to keep me in check. Anyone else feel this way? From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ] On Behalf Of Uncle Timmy Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:58 PM To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: Re: Weird Question It's not a weird question, Tina. It happens all the time. The surgery is no guarantee. Remember, it's done with a scalpel, not a magic wand, and it's done on our stomachs, not our brains. Sasha (Dr. Stiles will tell you that they can predict how a patient will progress for the first year post-op, but after that, all bets are off. I almost bit my tongue off in an FTF meeting, when someone said they felt that they would always need food to comfort them. My alarm bells were deafening. This was definately an addict who still didn't " get it. " My own brother has gained his weight back after having the vertical banded gastroplasty procedure years ago. For whatever reason, he just gave up. It breaks my heart, but I can't live his life for him. It's all I can do, to keep passing the open windows myself. All you can do is give her the best example you can, and hope she's paying attention. Uncle Timmy - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I think that if some one is already talking about regaining then they could be setting themselves up for self fulfilling prophecy. I can tell you though at almost 2 years post op...it is a very real chance. I am totally struggling to maintain my 5 pound window...its harder than I ever imagined it would be. > Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about > others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2- > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game? > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess. > > Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Hi , I went through Kaiser and Kaiser only does the RNY. When I researched this, I had heard about the band and I could never imagine doing that particular surgery because of the possibility that the band could come off and you would not even know it. Then to have to go back in again. It was a easy decision for me. Pam Marsh --- lauragary@...> wrote: > In my quest for knowledge, I was > intrigued by the VBG. My > thoughts were that it seemed a much simpler and less > risky surgery, so why > not encourage that surgery over the much more > complicated and permanent > change of RNYGB. THEN....I read about the numbers > of patients who gained > back their weight, either by figuring out how to > drink their weight back up > by drinking high calorie/fat or the pouch stretching > and the band slipping, > etc. They also didn't have the benefit of > malabsorbtion, which is paramount > to not gaining. > > > > Now I understand why the Dr's first > choice and sometimes only > choice is the RNY and I understand so much more than > when I first started my > research. > > > > It is sad that after going through so > much, someone would give > up and gain it back, but I have to admit it is not > surprising. Look how > many relationships are given up on and how food has > been used for so long as > a comforting/pacifier type device. Heck, I NEED the > restrictive pouch AND > the malabsorbtion and maybe even that dumping > syndrome....just to keep me in > check. > > Anyone else feel this way? > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: > gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients > [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ] > On Behalf Of > Uncle Timmy > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:58 PM > To: > gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients > Subject: > Re: Weird Question > > > > It's not a weird question, Tina. It happens all the > time. The > surgery is no guarantee. Remember, it's done with a > scalpel, not a > magic wand, and it's done on our stomachs, not our > brains. Sasha > (Dr. Stiles will tell you that they can predict how > a patient will > progress for the first year post-op, but after that, > all bets are > off. > > I almost bit my tongue off in an FTF meeting, when > someone said they > felt that they would always need food to comfort > them. My alarm > bells were deafening. This was definately an addict > who still > didn't " get it. " My own brother has gained his > weight back after > having the vertical banded gastroplasty procedure > years ago. For > whatever reason, he just gave up. It breaks my > heart, but I can't > live his life for him. It's all I can do, to keep > passing the open > windows myself. > > All you can do is give her the best example you can, > and hope she's > paying attention. > > Uncle Timmy - > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 You know what sort of bothers me is when someone invites me to have something and I say no thank you and they say why not and I say because I am not suppose to eat that type of stuff (usually it is something sweet) because I could get sick. And they say well, as you get further out you will be able to eat anything. I tell you people just don't get it. If you have to go into the surgery thinking that way already, then maybe, just maybe this is not for you. I think Uncle Timmy, ..one of the two said it best when they said " stop thinking about the stuff you have to give up and think about what you are gaining " . Its like last night, I bought chocolate cake from the store as a little surprise desert for my family. It smelled heavenly but I did not eat a piece. When I finished serving my family their slice of cake, I told my husband to like my fingers and he said you do it (he forgot about my surgery) and I said I can't. I have to tell you when he licked that cake off my fingers, boy I almost hit the roof. Funny how the smallest actions can really get your libido going (smile...I know TMI). Nonetheless, I did not feel sad or angry because I could not have the cake. It really did not bother me at all. I was shocked because before surgery, I was a chocoholic and maybe some day it might bother me but if and when the day comes, I will just be on here whining. Thanks for listening. Pam Marsh --- Diane Duenas brendadiane64@...> wrote: > I think that if some one is already talking about > regaining then > they could be setting themselves up for self > fulfilling prophecy. I > can tell you though at almost 2 years post op...it > is a very real > chance. I am totally struggling to maintain my 5 > pound window...its > harder than I ever imagined it would be. > > > > Don't you think if someone is already talking > about gaining weight > > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are > setting > themselves > > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I > know that this is > the > > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow > myself to get out > of > > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 > pound window for > myself > > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision > to have surgery > > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I > shouldn't worry > about > > others but when it is someone in my family, I > worry about them. At > 8 > > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about > gaining weight back > in 2- > > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only > one that things > this > > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in > the game? > > > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to > quit worrying > about > > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die > hard I guess. > > > > Tina > > > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Of course it is ok, Miss Pam. I'd love to see you. Taking the M.O.M. as we speak.... RobynnPamela A Marsh wrote: Colleen, I really hope that you are able to carpoolwith Gordy or as I will not be able to make itto the support group meeting. I plan, however, tomake a B-Line to get in and see Robynn sometime thatnight, even if she does not know I was in and out butit is going to be right around 8:00ish or so. Myhusband is in Stockton all week at a class for his jobto learn how to run a gun range.Nonetheless, if you all are still there, I will seeyou.Robynn, I hope that is okay. Remember to take themilk mag stuff and you will be okay. It worked butmany many hours later.I will be praying for you hon and I know you are goingto be so very happy when this is all over with.Pam Marsh--- Colleen Garner wrote:> Tina> > you have such a good additude and sense of yourself> that is great !> no skinny dipping tonight its too cold and we didnt> put the pool cover on after saturday night, so> tonight we settled for vacumming and skimming out> the magnolia blossoms and leaves and we chatted> while we did that................maybe when the> weather is warm again !> Colleen> > Tina wrote:> Colleen> > It just struck me as odd. I didn't say anything to> her. We have a > somewhat difficult relationship anyway so I never> ever really speak > my mind to her. I only give her my thoughts when she> asks for them. > I just always like to fix everything. I've always> been the > peacekeeper, the fixer upper, the one who is always> there and always > put everybody else first. For once in my life, I'm> putting me first. > It's going to piss some people off (actually> probably a lot of my in-> law family) but that's okay...I'll deal with it the> best I can. I > may vent a lot!> > Going skinny dipping tonight?> > Tina> > > > Don't you think if someone is already talking> about gaining weight > > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are> setting > themselves > > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I> know that this is > the > > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow> myself to get out > of > > control with my weight. There will only be a 5> pound window for > myself > > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision> to have surgery > > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I> shouldn't worry > about > > others but when it is someone in my family, I> worry about them. At > 8 > > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about> gaining weight back > in 2-> > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only> one that things > this > > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in> the game?> > > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to> quit worrying > about > > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die> hard I guess.> > > > Tina> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I have some pie at home and I am thinking how good apple pie might taste on my fingers............................hmmmmm Sorry it has just been over a week for me and I need something! (still blushing) > > > Don't you think if someone is already talking > > about gaining weight > > > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are > > setting > > themselves > > > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I > > know that this is > > the > > > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow > > myself to get out > > of > > > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 > > pound window for > > myself > > > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision > > to have surgery > > > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I > > shouldn't worry > > about > > > others but when it is someone in my family, I > > worry about them. At > > 8 > > > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about > > gaining weight back > > in 2- > > > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only > > one that things > > this > > > is an odd thing to be talking about so early in > > the game? > > > > > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to > > quit worrying > > about > > > others and concentrate on myself but old diets die > > hard I guess. > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 You are too much . Love ya dear! Pam --- musil321 scorchio321@...> wrote: > I have some pie at home and I am thinking how good > apple pie might > taste on my > fingers............................hmmmmm > > Sorry it has just been over a week for me and I need > something! > > (still blushing) > > > > > > Don't you think if someone is already talking > > > about gaining weight > > > > after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they > are > > > setting > > > themselves > > > > up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I > > > know that this is > > > the > > > > last time I will lose weight. I will not allow > > > myself to get out > > > of > > > > control with my weight. There will only be a 5 > > > pound window for > > > myself > > > > when I get to my goal. I didn't take the > decision > > > to have surgery > > > > lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess > I > > > shouldn't worry > > > about > > > > others but when it is someone in my family, I > > > worry about them. At > > > 8 > > > > weeks post op you should NOT be talking about > > > gaining weight back > > > in 2- > > > > 3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the > only > > > one that things > > > this > > > > is an odd thing to be talking about so early > in > > > the game? > > > > > > > > Just needed to get that off my chest. I need > to > > > quit worrying > > > about > > > > others and concentrate on myself but old diets > die > > > hard I guess. > > > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it > out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 I don't know if you're the only one, but I don't think it's that odd. I have thought about all of it, and so must you have done if you are already planning to let yourself gain only five pounds before you do something about it. I think that we must all think about the possibility of gaining weight, even if from nothing else other than habit. LaWanda At 07:35 PM 6/6/05, you wrote: >Don't you think if someone is already talking about gaining weight >after WLS, 2-3 years down the road, that they are setting themselves >up (and allowing themselves) to gain weight? I know that this is the >last time I will lose weight. I will not allow myself to get out of >control with my weight. There will only be a 5 pound window for myself >when I get to my goal. I didn't take the decision to have surgery >lightly but I've noticed that some do. I guess I shouldn't worry about >others but when it is someone in my family, I worry about them. At 8 >weeks post op you should NOT be talking about gaining weight back in 2- >3 years. Isn't that kind of crazy? Am I the only one that things this >is an odd thing to be talking about so early in the game? > >Just needed to get that off my chest. I need to quit worrying about >others and concentrate on myself but old diets die hard I guess. > >Tina > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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