gelatin vs. vegetable capsules

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new to this group. I was wondering if someone could offer advice or an

opinion on gelatin vs. vegetable capsules? Dr. Houston's website mentions

transferring the enzymes to gelatin capsules so they dissolve faster. Is there

any disadvantage to using gelatin capsules as long as they are GFCF?

Thanks, Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Well, yes, some people feel that gelatin has some problems with it. Here's

a post from Dave Humphrey that I saved from July 2000. I thought it was

interesting, but it hasn't made me transfer all the stuff from gel caps to

veggie caps, at least not yet... Warning: Gross description of what is in

gelatin ahead!

Hope this helps -

Terri

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At the recent Irvine autism conference (June 2nd-4th) Dr. Bill Shaw made a

significant announcement concerning the connection between a genetic

defective enzyme (DPP4) and autism. He mentioned that several specific

things will weaken the DPP4 enzyme including casein and gluten. This alone

is reason enough not to have any casein and gluten in the diet.

In addition he felt that Gelatin is also a problem (it is found in the MMR

vaccine). Dr. Shaw mentioned that this gelatin could explain why the

Japanese, that do not use gelatin in the MMR vaccine, do not seem to have

the same problem with adverse reactions to the vaccine.

Many people eat gelatin in a variety of products and swallow gelatin in

vitamin capsule. At Kirkman we are not using any gelatin capsule and have

switched to veggie caps (inert hypoallergenic plant cellulose). They only

cost .40 more per bottle of 100 to make.

We feel that Dr. Shaw is probably right on the DPP4 issue. Below is a

description of what is in Gelatin for your reference. Sorry ---

Gelatin is made of hydrolyzed collagen, which is a polite way of saying

'partially decomposed protein extracted from cow and pig hides, hooves,

bones, and connective tissue'. The protein in these materials is broken down

by treatment with an alkaline solution and then extracted with hot water.

The protein in gelatin consists mostly of chains of amino acids (basic

building block molecules for all proteins). The gelatin proteins are mostly

made of glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline residues (but small quantities

of other amino acids are also present). These acids allow the protein chains

wrap into a stable three-stranded structure called a 'triple helix'. When

the proteins are dissolved in hot water, the triple helices unwind into free

protein chains. Cooling the solution again allows the triple helix to reform

in some places, but not in others. The free protein chains form a tangled

net, pinned together by partially reformed triple helices. The net has large

pockets of liquid trapped inside it. The trapped liquid gives gelatin its

wiggle, but the protein net allows the gelatin to keep the shape it is

molded into.

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At 10:34 AM 4/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I am new to this group. I was wondering if someone could offer advice or

>an opinion on gelatin vs. vegetable capsules? Dr. Houston's website

>mentions transferring the enzymes to gelatin capsules so they dissolve

>faster. Is there any disadvantage to using gelatin capsules as long as

>they are GFCF?

>

>Thanks, Kathy

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Another post (which I can find if I have to) was saying the amount

of gelatin in a capsule is insignificant in effect. That just eating

a bowl of jello may give problems. At any rate the DPP IV in

Peptizyde would be enough to override this as evidenced by people

going off the GFCF diet completely and doing splendidly.

I am not trying to argue for or against gelatin or veggie capsules.

Most of the supplement industry and elsewhere are going to veggie

capsules for the mad cow disease reason. Because some people seem to

get much better results by waiting for the veggie capsules to

dissolve, some parents transfer the enzymes from the veggie capsules

to the gelatin ones so they can get best results and not have to

wait for the capsules to dissolve. It is really up to you. I will

forward you the find on the capsule dissolving issue.

.

[Guest guest]

gelatin inhibits the dpp iv enzymes but its a question of quantity,

like the aluminuim thing which people misunderstand and seek to place

mercury level standards on when people get 10mg a day from food

anyway.

so just eating meat exposes you to a certain amount of gelatin anyway,

i don't think the small amount of gelatin in those light pull apart

capsules or vaccines for that matter is significant.

its a good idea to eliminate jellies or cheese cakes as these are

signficant scources of gelatin.

but you know....

cellulose capsules and knosh out on cheesecakes

enzymes in the the gelatin capsules are considerably more efficent

compared to cellulose capsules. if you are transfering them form

cellulose into gelatin capsules, it pays to use a considerably larger

gealtin capsules as the enzymes are packed quite densly int teh

cellulose ones.

[Guest guest]

YUCK....and my daughter just started calcium citrate in capsule form!

Re: [ ] gelatin vs. vegetable capsules

> Well, yes, some people feel that gelatin has some problems with it.

Here's

> a post from Dave Humphrey that I saved from July 2000. I thought it was

> interesting, but it hasn't made me transfer all the stuff from gel caps to

> veggie caps, at least not yet... Warning: Gross description of what is in

> gelatin ahead!

>

> Hope this helps -

> Terri

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> At the recent Irvine autism conference (June 2nd-4th) Dr. Bill Shaw made a

> significant announcement concerning the connection between a genetic

> defective enzyme (DPP4) and autism. He mentioned that several specific

> things will weaken the DPP4 enzyme including casein and gluten. This alone

> is reason enough not to have any casein and gluten in the diet.

> In addition he felt that Gelatin is also a problem (it is found in the MMR

> vaccine). Dr. Shaw mentioned that this gelatin could explain why the

> Japanese, that do not use gelatin in the MMR vaccine, do not seem to have

> the same problem with adverse reactions to the vaccine.

> Many people eat gelatin in a variety of products and swallow gelatin in

> vitamin capsule. At Kirkman we are not using any gelatin capsule and have

> switched to veggie caps (inert hypoallergenic plant cellulose). They only

> cost .40 more per bottle of 100 to make.

> We feel that Dr. Shaw is probably right on the DPP4 issue. Below is a

> description of what is in Gelatin for your reference. Sorry ---

> Gelatin is made of hydrolyzed collagen, which is a polite way of saying

> 'partially decomposed protein extracted from cow and pig hides, hooves,

> bones, and connective tissue'. The protein in these materials is broken

down

> by treatment with an alkaline solution and then extracted with hot water.

> The protein in gelatin consists mostly of chains of amino acids (basic

> building block molecules for all proteins). The gelatin proteins are

mostly

> made of glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline residues (but small

quantities

> of other amino acids are also present). These acids allow the protein

chains

> wrap into a stable three-stranded structure called a 'triple helix'. When

> the proteins are dissolved in hot water, the triple helices unwind into

free

> protein chains. Cooling the solution again allows the triple helix to

reform

> in some places, but not in others. The free protein chains form a tangled

> net, pinned together by partially reformed triple helices. The net has

large

> pockets of liquid trapped inside it. The trapped liquid gives gelatin its

> wiggle, but the protein net allows the gelatin to keep the shape it is

> molded into.

> ------------------------------------------------------

>

>

> At 10:34 AM 4/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>

> >Hi,

> >

> >I am new to this group. I was wondering if someone could offer advice or

> >an opinion on gelatin vs. vegetable capsules? Dr. Houston's website

> >mentions transferring the enzymes to gelatin capsules so they dissolve

> >faster. Is there any disadvantage to using gelatin capsules as long as

> >they are GFCF?

> >

> >Thanks, Kathy

> >

> >

> >

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> >