RE: beginner with questions about homemade foods

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Welcome to the list. Making your own DCCC is really not necessary and, from what I understand, would be pretty difficult. There are a lot of people here that don't have access to it. You can substitute dripped yogurt in any recipe that calls for DCCC. So unless you just really want to make your own, I wouldn't worry about doing that.Let us know if you have any other questions. Best wishes,Kim H.husband, , CD 1999, SCD 2002To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:16:56 PMSubject: beginner with questions about homemade foods

I've been having gut problems for several years--it seemed to start after a surgery to remove 18" of colon because of a polyp. At first I thought it was wheat intolerance, but I've also thought it was every other diagnosis I read about on this board! I've have the blood test for celiac but it was negative.

Anyway, I'm ready to try scd and have read the book and made the mental commitment. I've been reading the different boards online and am getting a feel for the allowable foods. Today I picked up a few things at the store, but other things were not available (small town). Dry curd cottage cheese was one. Can't I make that at home? I saw some recipes at http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be legal?

I ordered a yogurt maker this evening and should have it by the time I could add yogurt as I'm not sensitive to dairy so I imagine I could add that in before too long. I'll also mention my symptoms are not too bad right now.

I'm glad to be here, and find all the information fascinating!

in Idaho

[Guest guest]

Hi , Welcome! You can make DCCC by letting your yogurt

drip for several days in the fridge. When all the liquid is dripped out then

your yogurt becomes quite firm. Once your yogurt is finished fermenting (24

hours) then put it in the fridge to firm up for about 8 hours. Then, line a

colander with cheesecloth, place over a bowl to catch the liquid, spoon the

yogurt into it and let it drip, in the fridge for several hours, or even days.

I don’t think it will be as “dry” as a commercial brand, but

it is excellent.

Buttermilk is illegal. I don’t know about rennet. Making your

yogurt with half & half or whole milk with some cream (make sure there are

no illegal ingredients in either the cream or half & half, like

carrageenan) will produce a richer, creamier yogurt. Happy cooking!

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 4.5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of dogcollarsp

Anyway, I'm ready to try scd and have read the book and made the mental

commitment. I've been reading the different boards online and am getting a feel

for the allowable foods. Today I picked up a few things at the store, but other

things were not available (small town). Dry curd cottage cheese was one. Can't

I make that at home? I saw some recipes at http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be legal?

in Idaho

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Have you made DCCC with goat yogurt? I am curious because I want to

make the souffle buns for my ASD kids, but it calls for regular DCCC.

If I make my own goat-based DCCC I think I would be able to make the

souffle buns for their hamburgers.

Cheryl, SCD 3-08

Carol Pompilo wrote:

Hi , Welcome!

You can make DCCC by letting your yogurt

drip for several days in the fridge. When all the liquid is dripped out

then

your yogurt becomes quite firm. Once your yogurt is finished fermenting

(24

hours) then put it in the fridge to firm up for about 8 hours. Then,

line a

colander with cheesecloth, place over a bowl to catch the liquid, spoon

the

yogurt into it and let it drip, in the fridge for several hours, or

even days.

I don’t think it will be as “dry” as a commercial brand, but

it is excellent.

Buttermilk is

illegal. I don’t know about rennet. Making your

yogurt with half & half or whole milk with some cream (make sure

there are

no illegal ingredients in either the cream or half & half, like

carrageenan) will produce a richer, creamier yogurt. Happy cooking!

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 4.5

yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ]

On Behalf Of dogcollarsp

Anyway, I'm ready to try scd and have read the book and made the mental

commitment. I've been reading the different boards online and am

getting a feel

for the allowable foods. Today I picked up a few things at the store,

but other

things were not available (small town). Dry curd cottage cheese was

one. Can't

I make that at home? I saw some recipes at http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be legal?

in Idaho

--

cheryl signature -scd 5-18-09

Cheryl

Steinberg, EFT-ADV

SCD Diet Startup Specialist, Wellness Consultant

www.spiritofmotherhood.net

Author of:

Becoming Cinderella

Please order your copy now at:

www.becomingcinderella.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

Have you made DCCC with goat yogurt? I am curious because I want to

make the souffle buns for my ASD kids, but it calls for regular DCCC.

If I make my own goat-based DCCC I think I would be able to make the

souffle buns for their hamburgers.

Cheryl, SCD 3-08

Carol Pompilo wrote:

Hi , Welcome!

You can make DCCC by letting your yogurt

drip for several days in the fridge. When all the liquid is dripped out

then

your yogurt becomes quite firm. Once your yogurt is finished fermenting

(24

hours) then put it in the fridge to firm up for about 8 hours. Then,

line a

colander with cheesecloth, place over a bowl to catch the liquid, spoon

the

yogurt into it and let it drip, in the fridge for several hours, or

even days.

I don’t think it will be as “dry” as a commercial brand, but

it is excellent.

Buttermilk is

illegal. I don’t know about rennet. Making your

yogurt with half & half or whole milk with some cream (make sure

there are

no illegal ingredients in either the cream or half & half, like

carrageenan) will produce a richer, creamier yogurt. Happy cooking!

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 4.5

yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ]

On Behalf Of dogcollarsp

Anyway, I'm ready to try scd and have read the book and made the mental

commitment. I've been reading the different boards online and am

getting a feel

for the allowable foods. Today I picked up a few things at the store,

but other

things were not available (small town). Dry curd cottage cheese was

one. Can't

I make that at home? I saw some recipes at http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be legal?

in Idaho

--

cheryl signature -scd 5-18-09

Cheryl

Steinberg, EFT-ADV

SCD Diet Startup Specialist, Wellness Consultant

www.spiritofmotherhood.net

Author of:

Becoming Cinderella

Please order your copy now at:

www.becomingcinderella.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl, No, I have no experience with goat’s milk

yogurt – sorry! I’m guessing that if dripped it might work. Someone

with more experience with goat’s milk yogurt can perhaps answer your question.

Carol

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Steinberg

Have you made DCCC with goat yogurt? I am curious because I want to make

the souffle buns for my ASD kids, but it calls for regular DCCC. If I

make my own goat-based DCCC I think I would be able to make the souffle buns

for their hamburgers.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl, No, I have no experience with goat’s milk

yogurt – sorry! I’m guessing that if dripped it might work. Someone

with more experience with goat’s milk yogurt can perhaps answer your question.

Carol

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Steinberg

Have you made DCCC with goat yogurt? I am curious because I want to make

the souffle buns for my ASD kids, but it calls for regular DCCC. If I

make my own goat-based DCCC I think I would be able to make the souffle buns

for their hamburgers.

[Guest guest]

At 10:16 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

Today I picked up a few things

at the store, but other things were not available (small town). Dry curd

cottage cheese was one. Can't I make that at home? I saw some recipes at

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be

legal?

Hi, , and welcome to the list!

Cottage

Cheese - Cheese Wizard Made with whole

milk. Legal method.

Cottage

Cheese Recipe for making Small Curd Cottage Cheese Not

legal method

Cottage

Cheese (Smierkase) Recipe for Cottage Cheese

(Helen's Smierkase) Not legal method.

Farmer Cheese - Fankhauser Fankhauser -

Recipe for making Farmer (chevre) Cheese. Legal method

Farmer's

Cheese

Recipe for making Farmer's Cheese. Not legal

method.

Any method which calls for adding dry powdered milk to regular milk is

not legal. It adds too much lactose for the bacteria to deal with.

Any method which does not use bacteria or enzymes to break down the

lactose is not legal.

BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd cottage cheese -- you can

do what I did for the first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 10:16 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

Today I picked up a few things

at the store, but other things were not available (small town). Dry curd

cottage cheese was one. Can't I make that at home? I saw some recipes at

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be

legal?

Hi, , and welcome to the list!

Cottage

Cheese - Cheese Wizard Made with whole

milk. Legal method.

Cottage

Cheese Recipe for making Small Curd Cottage Cheese Not

legal method

Cottage

Cheese (Smierkase) Recipe for Cottage Cheese

(Helen's Smierkase) Not legal method.

Farmer Cheese - Fankhauser Fankhauser -

Recipe for making Farmer (chevre) Cheese. Legal method

Farmer's

Cheese

Recipe for making Farmer's Cheese. Not legal

method.

Any method which calls for adding dry powdered milk to regular milk is

not legal. It adds too much lactose for the bacteria to deal with.

Any method which does not use bacteria or enzymes to break down the

lactose is not legal.

BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd cottage cheese -- you can

do what I did for the first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 10:16 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:

Today I picked up a few things

at the store, but other things were not available (small town). Dry curd

cottage cheese was one. Can't I make that at home? I saw some recipes at

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/makecottagefarmercheese.htm

Does anyone have time to take a look and see if they would be

legal?

Hi, , and welcome to the list!

Cottage

Cheese - Cheese Wizard Made with whole

milk. Legal method.

Cottage

Cheese Recipe for making Small Curd Cottage Cheese Not

legal method

Cottage

Cheese (Smierkase) Recipe for Cottage Cheese

(Helen's Smierkase) Not legal method.

Farmer Cheese - Fankhauser Fankhauser -

Recipe for making Farmer (chevre) Cheese. Legal method

Farmer's

Cheese

Recipe for making Farmer's Cheese. Not legal

method.

Any method which calls for adding dry powdered milk to regular milk is

not legal. It adds too much lactose for the bacteria to deal with.

Any method which does not use bacteria or enzymes to break down the

lactose is not legal.

BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd cottage cheese -- you can

do what I did for the first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:41 AM 8/8/2009, you wrote:

Buttermilk is

illegal.

Actually, I should have clarified my earlier statement that the methods

with buttermilk are legal. THey are legal if you are using old-fashioned

buttermilk which doesn't contain starches, sugars, gums, and other

illegals.

Buttermilk, per se, isn't illegal. It's all the cr@p they put in

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:41 AM 8/8/2009, you wrote:

Buttermilk is

illegal.

Actually, I should have clarified my earlier statement that the methods

with buttermilk are legal. THey are legal if you are using old-fashioned

buttermilk which doesn't contain starches, sugars, gums, and other

illegals.

Buttermilk, per se, isn't illegal. It's all the cr@p they put in

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 AM 8/8/2009, you wrote:

Buttermilk, per se, isn't

illegal. It's all the cr@p they put in it.

OK, I'm brain-dead. Let me correct my correction. Buttermilk without

illegal additives is legal to use as a starter for DCCC, the same way

commercial yogurt without illegals may be used as a starter for SCD

yogurt.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

> BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

[Guest guest]

The idea of making things from scratch is hard

at first but you get better with practice. Speaking of canned- I have a can of

Libby's canned pumpkin that says 100% Pure Pumpkin on it, and only lists pumpkin

as an ingredient. I bought it pre-SCD, and I have no intentions of eating it,

but I do wonder how they can say 100% pure pumpkin on it if it is not true.

I would not trust it enough to eat it without a letter from Libby's, but it does

make me curious.

PJ

-- In BTVC-SCD , " dogcollarsp " wrote:

>

>

> > BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> > cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> > first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> > well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>

> Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

>

>

[Guest guest]

The idea of making things from scratch is hard

at first but you get better with practice. Speaking of canned- I have a can of

Libby's canned pumpkin that says 100% Pure Pumpkin on it, and only lists pumpkin

as an ingredient. I bought it pre-SCD, and I have no intentions of eating it,

but I do wonder how they can say 100% pure pumpkin on it if it is not true.

I would not trust it enough to eat it without a letter from Libby's, but it does

make me curious.

PJ

-- In BTVC-SCD , " dogcollarsp " wrote:

>

>

> > BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> > cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> > first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> > well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>

> Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

>

>

[Guest guest]

The idea of making things from scratch is hard

at first but you get better with practice. Speaking of canned- I have a can of

Libby's canned pumpkin that says 100% Pure Pumpkin on it, and only lists pumpkin

as an ingredient. I bought it pre-SCD, and I have no intentions of eating it,

but I do wonder how they can say 100% pure pumpkin on it if it is not true.

I would not trust it enough to eat it without a letter from Libby's, but it does

make me curious.

PJ

-- In BTVC-SCD , " dogcollarsp " wrote:

>

>

> > BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> > cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> > first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> > well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

>

> Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:59 PM 8/9/2009, you wrote:

I do wonder how they can say

100% pure pumpkin on it if it is not true.

Remember the 2% rule -- and remember that they may use

" manufacturing aids " which are explicitly stated as not being

ingredients, and therefore do not have to be listed.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

not legal - they said they couldn't give up trade secrets but that they were

gluten-free - sorry

eileen

> >

> >

> > > BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> > > cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> > > first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> > > well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

> > >

> > >

> > > — Marilyn

> > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> >

> > Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

not legal - they said they couldn't give up trade secrets but that they were

gluten-free - sorry

eileen

> >

> >

> > > BTW, you do not need to make your own dry curd

> > > cottage cheese -- you can do what I did for the

> > > first four years I was on the diet: make lots of

> > > well-drained yogurt cheese and substitute that.

> > >

> > >

> > > — Marilyn

> > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> >

> > Thanks, Marilyn! I'm going to try this as it looks so interesting. Today I

received Healing Foods and Recipes for SCD and they are both beautifully done

and very inspiring. I'm encouraged

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

They told me:

" The processing of the Libby's 100% Pure Pumpkin is minimal. Nothing is added to

the pumpkin – no salt, no sugar, no artificial flavorings, colorings or

preservatives. Some water is removed to concentrate the pumpkin for an even

consistency and fresh, rich taste.

Labeling regulations require that if any of the eight recognized known allergens

are in the product they must be listed in the ingredient statement. We always

list the allergen by the common name.

Additionally, our factories, that use any of the recognized allergens as an

ingredient, take all precautions to avoid cross contact of products that do not

contain them. We always add a cautionary statement at the end of our packaging

ingredient listing if a product is made on the same line or factory of those

products containing a recognized allergen. It is recommended that you always

check the label before purchasing a product. "

Then I asked something about the cooking process (something like that...it's

been a while since I contacted them) and they said:

" In regards to your inquiry the pumpkin is compressed to remove some of the

water and no chemicals are used during that process. Libby's 100% Pure Pumpkin

is also thoroughly cooked during the canning process so it is perfectly safe and

acceptable to enjoy it straight from the can. "

HOWEVER this was via email. I've used it and didn't have any reaction but I'd

been strictly SCD for several years at that point and it's not exactly a regular

part of my diet. Anyway I just thought I would share. Oh but....it's really

easy to just substitute the pumpkin with butternut squash since that's really

easy to cook with and can be found year round in many places, unlike pumpkin pie

pumpkins.

Stacey

> >I do wonder how they can say 100% pure pumpkin on it if it is not true.

>

> Remember the 2% rule -- and remember that they

> may use " manufacturing aids " which are explicitly

> stated as not being ingredients, and therefore do not have to be listed.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Seems to me the if the pumpkin or anything else has " trade

secrets " in it, it's obvious there's something else in there, and

most likely something we can't have. We don't grow pumpkins any

more but actually, we used to and I used to cook and freeze the pulp just

fine. Takes a bit more time than some things but it was really

good.

As an aside, my sister was over visiting this afternoon and it was the

first time I got to tell her in some detail about SCD. I showed her

the cookbook and she fell madly in love with it and I let her take it

home since I won't be there for awhile anyhow.

not legal - they said they couldn't give up trade secrets but that

they were gluten-free - sorry

eileen

[Guest guest]

Seems to me the if the pumpkin or anything else has " trade

secrets " in it, it's obvious there's something else in there, and

most likely something we can't have. We don't grow pumpkins any

more but actually, we used to and I used to cook and freeze the pulp just

fine. Takes a bit more time than some things but it was really

good.

As an aside, my sister was over visiting this afternoon and it was the

first time I got to tell her in some detail about SCD. I showed her

the cookbook and she fell madly in love with it and I let her take it

home since I won't be there for awhile anyhow.

not legal - they said they couldn't give up trade secrets but that

they were gluten-free - sorry

eileen

[Guest guest]

At 11:15 PM 8/9/2009, you wrote:

HOWEVER this was via email. I've

used it and didn't have any reaction but I'd been strictly SCD for

several years at that point and it's not exactly a regular part of my

diet. Anyway I just thought I would share. Oh but....it's really easy to

just substitute the pumpkin with butternut squash since that's really

easy to cook with and can be found year round in many places, unlike

pumpkin pie pumpkins.

Right, and we need a physical letter.

Also. " starch " and " sugar " are not part of the eight

recognized major allergens, so therefore, they have no need to list them

or worry about cross-contamination.

You're absolutely right about butternut squash for year-round

use.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I have no intentions of eating it!! I'm way too chicken at this point. I will

probably give it away in holiday canned food drives or make it into a non SCD

pie for the rest of the family. I just find it odd that they can legally say

100% pure pumpkin if it is not 100%.

It is just recently that companies have been listing all the allergens or saying

" may contain.... " or " processed with.... " . to cover themselves. Perhaps this

trend will continue to them listing all ingredients one day..until then...we

cook

PJ

> >HOWEVER this was via email. I've used it and

> >didn't have any reaction but I'd been strictly

> >SCD for several years at that point and it's not

> >exactly a regular part of my diet. Anyway I just

> >thought I would share. Oh but....it's really

> >easy to just substitute the pumpkin with

> >butternut squash since that's really easy to

> >cook with and can be found year round in many

> >places, unlike pumpkin pie pumpkins.

>

> Right, and we need a physical letter.

>

> Also. " starch " and " sugar " are not part of the

> eight recognized major allergens, so therefore,

> they have no need to list them or worry about cross-contamination.

>

> You're absolutely right about butternut squash for year-round use.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

I have no intentions of eating it!! I'm way too chicken at this point. I will

probably give it away in holiday canned food drives or make it into a non SCD

pie for the rest of the family. I just find it odd that they can legally say

100% pure pumpkin if it is not 100%.

It is just recently that companies have been listing all the allergens or saying

" may contain.... " or " processed with.... " . to cover themselves. Perhaps this

trend will continue to them listing all ingredients one day..until then...we

cook

PJ

> >HOWEVER this was via email. I've used it and

> >didn't have any reaction but I'd been strictly

> >SCD for several years at that point and it's not

> >exactly a regular part of my diet. Anyway I just

> >thought I would share. Oh but....it's really

> >easy to just substitute the pumpkin with

> >butternut squash since that's really easy to

> >cook with and can be found year round in many

> >places, unlike pumpkin pie pumpkins.

>

> Right, and we need a physical letter.

>

> Also. " starch " and " sugar " are not part of the

> eight recognized major allergens, so therefore,

> they have no need to list them or worry about cross-contamination.

>

> You're absolutely right about butternut squash for year-round use.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>