Re: Protein (Post Surgical)

[Guest guest]

I started out with protein from a manufacture called

Champion Nutrion.

Proscore 100 (chocolate) and Pure Stack Whey

(chocolate). I used this presurgery and then post

surgery I found this bothered my stomach and it did

not taste the same. A dear friend on here ()

recommended Isopure Zero (zero carbs) and it states

like jolly ranchers but not as sweet. It has 40 grams

of protein per bottle.

I hope that helps.

--- kaiser0000_1 k01773@...> wrote:

> Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> that are post-

> surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> I wish to draw on

> that experience because I am about to undergo the

> surgery next month

> and would appreciate insight into the " bottom line. "

>

> 1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed

> (e.g., Bariatrix).

> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry,

> other)

>

> 2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> E.g., protein bars?

>

> 3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> protein (e.g.,

> Vitalady)?

>

> 4. What other post-surgical information can be

> offered re protein?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

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I get my protein powder at Vitamin Adventure in Pleasant Hill, its

cheaper than GNC and more convenient than Vitalady, although I have

purchased sugar free syrups from her.

I do Carb Solutions High Protein Bars. Make sure it says high

protein and not the low carb candy bars. They have 250 calories, 23

grams of protein and only 1 gram sugar.

Newly pre op I did and am going to start again doing Pro Complex

shakes. Its the one recommended by most bariatric programs that

promote protein shakes(kaiser does not). I do vanilla as I like a

variety and get bored with one flavor. I add a shot of sugar free

syrups to it...like coconut, caramel, kahlua, etc to add variety. I

use skim milk but most people use water. Im trying a new one right

now called Protein Delight. Its ok but its one flavor and Im already

bored with it. As soon as I finish this tub, Im going back to the

Pro Complex.

Hope that helps

Huggles

> Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post-

> surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw

on

> that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next

month

> and would appreciate insight into the " bottom line. "

>

> 1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g.,

Bariatrix).

> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)

>

> 2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein

bars?

>

> 3. Where are the best purchase sources for the protein (e.g.,

> Vitalady)?

>

> 4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?

>

> Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Where do you get the Isopure Zero.

Kristie

>

>

> Date: 2005/06/24 Fri AM 07:06:04 PDT

> To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

> Subject: Re: Protein (Post Surgical)

>

>

I started out with protein from a manufacture called

Champion Nutrion.

Proscore 100 (chocolate) and Pure Stack Whey

(chocolate). I used this presurgery and then post

surgery I found this bothered my stomach and it did

not taste the same. A dear friend on here ()

recommended Isopure Zero (zero carbs) and it states

like jolly ranchers but not as sweet. It has 40 grams

of protein per bottle.

I hope that helps.

--- kaiser0000_1 wrote:

> Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> that are post-

> surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> I wish to draw on

> that experience because I am about to undergo the

> surgery next month

> and would appreciate insight into the " bottom line. "

>

> 1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed

> (e.g., Bariatrix).

> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry,

> other)

>

> 2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> E.g., protein bars?

>

> 3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> protein (e.g.,

> Vitalady)?

>

> 4. What other post-surgical information can be

> offered re protein?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

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I'm nearly two years out (07/30/03) and I still use protein

suppliments occasionally, especially if I haven't gotten at least

60g from real food in a particular day. My favorite brand is

Isopure Zero Carb. Their Tropical Punch and Cherry Vanilla flavors

are excellent. For convenience, I like IsoKool. It comes in

individual packets and provides a meal's worth of protein (20g).

It's a good " emergency kit " item, for situations where food choices

are limited or you've gone too long between meals. GNC stores care

both, but just Google those brands and you'll find better prices on-

line.

Uncle Timmy -240

> Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post-

> surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw

on

> that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next

month

> and would appreciate insight into the " bottom line. "

>

> 1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g.,

Bariatrix).

> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)

>

> 2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein

bars?

>

> 3. Where are the best purchase sources for the protein (e.g.,

> Vitalady)?

>

> 4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?

>

> Thanks.

[Guest guest]

kaiser0000_1 wrote:

> 1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

Powder, without a doubt. It tends to be higher quality, cheaper, and

more portable. You can take a zippy bag or empty water bottle, measure

in a shake worth, and you're good to go. When it's time for a drink, add

water, shake and drink. Toss.

> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)

That depends on your tastebuds. My personal preferences, in decreasing

order: Champion Nutrition Pure Whey Stack in Chocolate (the basis of

probably 85-90% of my shakes), Pure Whey Stack in Banana Scream, IDS

Cinnamon Vanilla (watch out, it's an isolate, and some of us have

problems with pure isolates. I mix half and half with the Banana Stack,

add a shake of clove, and it tastes kinda like banana bread), Stack

Cocoa Mochachino. I do NOT like the Stack Vanilla or Strawberry.

I do NOT use either fruit or milk in my shakes. My usual is crushed ice

(from our refrigerator door) and water, blended. I occasionally add some

sugarfree syrup (like the Torani's they use in coffee bars, but make

SURE it's the sugarfree, since the sugared and sugarfree look very

simlar) or some instant coffee powder. Why mess with perfection?

> 2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein

> bars?

It appears we do not absorb the protein from those nearly as well. In

addition, many of them have lots of sugar alcohols, which have a side

effect of causing intestinal cramping, gas, diarrhea in many posties. In

general, I don't use them. I don't like them, and the ones I DO like, I

like too much. They end up being more like a candy bar, and this is not

a good thing.

A fairly reasonable source of protein is something like jerky (beef,

turkey, whatever floats your boat). Check the label though. Some of them

have a lot of sugar in them, especially the teriyaki flavors.

> 3. Where are the best purchase sources for the protein (e.g.,

> Vitalady)?

From my standpoint, Vitalady. Period. Hands down. Alright, it might be

possible to get a slightly better deal on one or another item, but I

don't bother. I know whatever she sells is something that is good for

us, in a form we can use. Her basic philosophy seems to be that if she's

not willing to put it into her body, she ain't gonna sell it. She is a

tremendous asset to the WLS community, serving as a very useful source

of information on several of the Yahoo boards.

> 4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?

There are two boards I highly recommend. The first is the Protein group,

which can be found at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/OSSG-Protein.

The other is the Grads group, which can be found at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Both groups have a lot of VERY passionate people on them. Some people

are put off by this, but others of us appreciate it. Neither group is a

rahrah goodjob warmfuzzy type of group. This doesn't mean they aren't

supportive, because they are TREMENDOUSLY supportive. They tend to be

more like a family, who will get in your face when they think you need

it. There are certain people (like Z, B (the Sacramento area

one), and many others) who when they write passionately, I tend to

listen. Many of them have suffered the consequences of NOT taking care

of themselves, in some cases leading to permanent, painful problems.

Like I said, I tend to shut up and listen. Those who know me know that

if I respect someone enough to shut up and listen, that means something!

You cannot post to the Grads group until you are at least a year

post-op. This is because there are many groups that focus more on the

pre-ops and newbies, and their questions and problems (will my surgery

hurt, will I throw up, will my hair fall out, etc.). The Grads group is

for those dealing with the longer term issues. I actually joined that

group before my own surgery. There is much to be said for lurking and

learning.

> Thanks.

You're welcome! Hope I helped some!

--

Eleanor Oster

eleanor@... (personal address)

www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

San , CA

Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

~5'9 " tall

05/09/2003 319 Orientation

07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

Goal 140-150?

[Guest guest]

Isopure Zero Carb is at GNC or on-line. Just Google it for sources.

Uncle Timmy -240

> Where do you get the Isopure Zero.

>

> Kristie

> >

> > From: Pamela A Marsh

> > Date: 2005/06/24 Fri AM 07:06:04 PDT

> > To: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients

> > Subject: Re: Protein

(Post Surgical)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.LaWanda Ezell wrote:

I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:>Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post->surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on>that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month>and would appreciate insight into the "bottom line.">>1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)>>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?>>3. Where are the best purchase sources

for the protein (e.g.,>Vitalady)?>>4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?>>Thanks.>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.LaWanda Ezell wrote:

I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:>Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post->surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on>that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month>and would appreciate insight into the "bottom line.">>1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)>>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?>>3. Where are the best purchase sources

for the protein (e.g.,>Vitalady)?>>4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?>>Thanks.>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of people prefer not to give their names, and that should be their choice.chris lopez wrote:

You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:>Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post->surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on>that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month>and would appreciate insight into the "bottom line.">>1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)>>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?>>3. Where are the best purchase sources

for the protein (e.g.,>Vitalady)?>>4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?>>Thanks.>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of people prefer not to give their names, and that should be their choice.chris lopez wrote:

You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:>Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post->surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on>that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month>and would appreciate insight into the "bottom line.">>1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)>>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?>>3. Where are the best purchase sources

for the protein (e.g.,>Vitalady)?>>4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?>>Thanks.>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Yup. As for lack of propriety, who's more famous for that then our wonderful Dr. B from SSF. It just so happens that I was in line with like five people from support group on Sat who were all talking about how they couldn't stand her because of her rude, abrupt manner.Robynn VanPatten wrote:

I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of people prefer not to give their names, and that should be their choice.chris lopez wrote:

You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:>Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post->surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on>that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month>and would appreciate insight into the "bottom line.">>1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?> a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)>>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?>>3. Where are the best purchase sources

for the protein (e.g.,>Vitalady)?>>4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?>>Thanks.>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it really matters what this person's

name is the fact of the matter remains that he or she

needs help. We all need to dig deep and go back...and

for some it will be way back and remember how we felt

during our process and all the questions we got

answered, needed answered, etc.

Not posting a name is the same as not telling someone

about your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither a

right or wrong one...just a choice and we

all...specifically the POST OP people need to be aware

and be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops but

more importantly be sensitive to one another

collectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not get

so lax that we forget were we just came from.

Now, for the person that had the question about the

protein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to start

because of the samples that you can get for roughly

$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds will

change. Some...but few have said that their buds did

not. Start there.

I hope that help.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of

> people prefer not to give their names, and that

> should be their choice.

>

> chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:You know,

> maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking

> anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect

> that and not withdraw advice because of it.

> Remember, we are all at different stages of our

> journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to

> judge the reasons? This group has always been known

> for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we

> change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed

> in the negative responses.

>

> LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote: I will

> not respond positively to someone who doesn't even

> care to give a

> name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:

> >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> that are post-

> >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> I wish to draw on

> >that experience because I am about to undergo the

> surgery next month

> >and would appreciate insight into the " bottom

> line. "

> >

> >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the

> best?

> > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or

> pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

> > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,

> strawberry, other)

> >

> >2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> E.g., protein bars?

> >

> >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> protein (e.g.,

> >Vitalady)?

> >

> >4. What other post-surgical information can be

> offered re protein?

> >

> >Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

I don't think it really matters what this person'sname is the fact of the matter remains that he or sheneeds help. We all need to dig deep and go back...andfor some it will be way back and remember how we feltduring our process and all the questions we gotanswered, needed answered, etc.Not posting a name is the same as not telling someoneabout your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither aright or wrong one...just a choice and weall...specifically the POST OP people need to be awareand be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops butmore importantly be sensitive to one anothercollectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not getso lax that we forget were we just came from.Now, for the person that had the question about theprotein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to startbecause of the samples

that you can get for roughly$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds willchange. Some...but few have said that their buds didnot. Start there.I hope that help.Pam Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of> people prefer not to give their names, and that> should be their choice.> > chris lopez wrote:You know,> maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking> anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect> that and not withdraw advice because of it. > Remember, we are all at different stages of our> journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to> judge the reasons? This group has always been known> for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we> change now? I have to say I'm a little

disappointed> in the negative responses.> > LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will> not respond positively to someone who doesn't even> care to give a > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:> >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those> that are post-> >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. > I wish to draw on> >that experience because I am about to undergo the> surgery next month> >and would appreciate insight into the "bottom> line."> >> >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the> best?> > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or> pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,> strawberry, other)> >>

>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? > E.g., protein bars?> >> >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the> protein (e.g.,> >Vitalady)?> >> >4. What other post-surgical information can be> offered re protein?> >> >Thanks.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

I don't think it really matters what this person'sname is the fact of the matter remains that he or sheneeds help. We all need to dig deep and go back...andfor some it will be way back and remember how we feltduring our process and all the questions we gotanswered, needed answered, etc.Not posting a name is the same as not telling someoneabout your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither aright or wrong one...just a choice and weall...specifically the POST OP people need to be awareand be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops butmore importantly be sensitive to one anothercollectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not getso lax that we forget were we just came from.Now, for the person that had the question about theprotein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to startbecause of the samples

that you can get for roughly$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds willchange. Some...but few have said that their buds didnot. Start there.I hope that help.Pam Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of> people prefer not to give their names, and that> should be their choice.> > chris lopez wrote:You know,> maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking> anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect> that and not withdraw advice because of it. > Remember, we are all at different stages of our> journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to> judge the reasons? This group has always been known> for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we> change now? I have to say I'm a little

disappointed> in the negative responses.> > LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will> not respond positively to someone who doesn't even> care to give a > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:> >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those> that are post-> >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. > I wish to draw on> >that experience because I am about to undergo the> surgery next month> >and would appreciate insight into the "bottom> line."> >> >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the> best?> > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or> pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,> strawberry, other)> >>

>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? > E.g., protein bars?> >> >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the> protein (e.g.,> >Vitalady)?> >> >4. What other post-surgical information can be> offered re protein?> >> >Thanks.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

I don't think it really matters what this person'sname is the fact of the matter remains that he or sheneeds help. We all need to dig deep and go back...andfor some it will be way back and remember how we feltduring our process and all the questions we gotanswered, needed answered, etc.Not posting a name is the same as not telling someoneabout your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither aright or wrong one...just a choice and weall...specifically the POST OP people need to be awareand be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops butmore importantly be sensitive to one anothercollectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not getso lax that we forget were we just came from.Now, for the person that had the question about theprotein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to startbecause of the samples

that you can get for roughly$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds willchange. Some...but few have said that their buds didnot. Start there.I hope that help.Pam Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of> people prefer not to give their names, and that> should be their choice.> > chris lopez wrote:You know,> maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking> anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect> that and not withdraw advice because of it. > Remember, we are all at different stages of our> journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to> judge the reasons? This group has always been known> for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we> change now? I have to say I'm a little

disappointed> in the negative responses.> > LaWanda Ezell wrote: I will> not respond positively to someone who doesn't even> care to give a > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:> >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those> that are post-> >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. > I wish to draw on> >that experience because I am about to undergo the> surgery next month> >and would appreciate insight into the "bottom> line."> >> >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the> best?> > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or> pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).> > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,> strawberry, other)> >>

>2. What other sources have proven to be of value? > E.g., protein bars?> >> >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the> protein (e.g.,> >Vitalady)?> >> >4. What other post-surgical information can be> offered re protein?> >> >Thanks.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

No, that just doesn't fly with me. If I can give my name, anyone

can. LaWanda At 01:18 PM 6/27/05, you wrote:

>You know, maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking anonymity at this

>time. I think all should respoect that and not withdraw advice because of

>it. Remember, we are all at different stages of our journey, particularly

>emotionally. Who are we to judge the reasons? This group has always been

>known for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we change now? I

>have to say I'm a little disappointed in the negative responses.

>

>LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote:

>I will not respond positively to someone who doesn't even care to give a

>name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:

> >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those that are post-

> >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions. I wish to draw on

> >that experience because I am about to undergo the surgery next month

> >and would appreciate insight into the " bottom line. "

> >

> >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the best?

> > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

> > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, other)

> >

> >2. What other sources have proven to be of value? E.g., protein bars?

> >

> >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the protein (e.g.,

> >Vitalady)?

> >

> >4. What other post-surgical information can be offered re protein?

> >

> >Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree that one should be allowed to remain anonymous

if they so wish. Who knows who is lurking here on the

list. Also if you think back, we did have a member

change his/her screenname to remain anonymous from

aquaintances who he/she thought might join the list.

Nobody gave that person any grief. Let's play nice.

Laurie

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I really don't think the anonymity is the problem here, you can use any

name or not...but it's the tone of the note, the lack of simple

politeness and the abruptness of the writer. What could be more

anonymous than the internet? We all reach out to one another but if we

never met at a support group, we would all remain vitually anonymous.

It's true one of us did use a different name but so what? He was still

the same warm, giving, supportive person. It didn't matter what name he

used. That's my point and my opinion for whatever that's worth. I think

we all " play nice " .

Best to all,

Maggie

> I agree that one should be allowed to remain anonymous

> if they so wish. Who knows who is lurking here on the

> list. Also if you think back, we did have a member

> change his/her screenname to remain anonymous from

> aquaintances who he/she thought might join the list.

> Nobody gave that person any grief. Let's play nice.

> Laurie

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I don't particularly care if a person uses their real name or not, I expect

that lots of people use screen names, I just want a name to ensure that we

do play nice. We are, after all, people. LaWanda At 12:37 AM 6/30/05, you

wrote:

>I agree that one should be allowed to remain anonymous

>if they so wish. Who knows who is lurking here on the

>list. Also if you think back, we did have a member

>change his/her screenname to remain anonymous from

>aquaintances who he/she thought might join the list.

>Nobody gave that person any grief. Let's play nice.

>Laurie

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I don't particularly care if a person uses their real name or not, I expect

that lots of people use screen names, I just want a name to ensure that we

do play nice. We are, after all, people. LaWanda At 12:37 AM 6/30/05, you

wrote:

>I agree that one should be allowed to remain anonymous

>if they so wish. Who knows who is lurking here on the

>list. Also if you think back, we did have a member

>change his/her screenname to remain anonymous from

>aquaintances who he/she thought might join the list.

>Nobody gave that person any grief. Let's play nice.

>Laurie

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I don't particularly care if a person uses their real name or not, I expect

that lots of people use screen names, I just want a name to ensure that we

do play nice. We are, after all, people. LaWanda At 12:37 AM 6/30/05, you

wrote:

>I agree that one should be allowed to remain anonymous

>if they so wish. Who knows who is lurking here on the

>list. Also if you think back, we did have a member

>change his/her screenname to remain anonymous from

>aquaintances who he/she thought might join the list.

>Nobody gave that person any grief. Let's play nice.

>Laurie

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Those sensibilities should include, I believe, being sensitive to those of

us who want to address someone by a name. We have no way of telling

whether a person is giving their real name or not, so accepting any name

they choose to give seems like a good compromise to me. I just don't like

dealing with nameless people, and I just won't. LaWanda At 02:54 PM

6/27/05, you wrote:

>I don't think it really matters what this person's

>name is the fact of the matter remains that he or she

>needs help. We all need to dig deep and go back...and

>for some it will be way back and remember how we felt

>during our process and all the questions we got

>answered, needed answered, etc.

>

>Not posting a name is the same as not telling someone

>about your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither a

>right or wrong one...just a choice and we

>all...specifically the POST OP people need to be aware

>and be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops but

>more importantly be sensitive to one another

>collectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not get

>so lax that we forget were we just came from.

>

>Now, for the person that had the question about the

>protein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to start

>because of the samples that you can get for roughly

>$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds will

>change. Some...but few have said that their buds did

>not. Start there.

>

>I hope that help.

>

>Pam Marsh

>

>--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of

> > people prefer not to give their names, and that

> > should be their choice.

> >

> > chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:You know,

> > maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking

> > anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect

> > that and not withdraw advice because of it.

> > Remember, we are all at different stages of our

> > journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to

> > judge the reasons? This group has always been known

> > for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we

> > change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed

> > in the negative responses.

> >

> > LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote: I will

> > not respond positively to someone who doesn't even

> > care to give a

> > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:

> > >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> > that are post-

> > >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> > I wish to draw on

> > >that experience because I am about to undergo the

> > surgery next month

> > >and would appreciate insight into the " bottom

> > line. "

> > >

> > >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the

> > best?

> > > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or

> > pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

> > > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,

> > strawberry, other)

> > >

> > >2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> > E.g., protein bars?

> > >

> > >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> > protein (e.g.,

> > >Vitalady)?

> > >

> > >4. What other post-surgical information can be

> > offered re protein?

> > >

> > >Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Those sensibilities should include, I believe, being sensitive to those of

us who want to address someone by a name. We have no way of telling

whether a person is giving their real name or not, so accepting any name

they choose to give seems like a good compromise to me. I just don't like

dealing with nameless people, and I just won't. LaWanda At 02:54 PM

6/27/05, you wrote:

>I don't think it really matters what this person's

>name is the fact of the matter remains that he or she

>needs help. We all need to dig deep and go back...and

>for some it will be way back and remember how we felt

>during our process and all the questions we got

>answered, needed answered, etc.

>

>Not posting a name is the same as not telling someone

>about your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither a

>right or wrong one...just a choice and we

>all...specifically the POST OP people need to be aware

>and be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops but

>more importantly be sensitive to one another

>collectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not get

>so lax that we forget were we just came from.

>

>Now, for the person that had the question about the

>protein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to start

>because of the samples that you can get for roughly

>$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds will

>change. Some...but few have said that their buds did

>not. Start there.

>

>I hope that help.

>

>Pam Marsh

>

>--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of

> > people prefer not to give their names, and that

> > should be their choice.

> >

> > chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:You know,

> > maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking

> > anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect

> > that and not withdraw advice because of it.

> > Remember, we are all at different stages of our

> > journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to

> > judge the reasons? This group has always been known

> > for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we

> > change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed

> > in the negative responses.

> >

> > LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote: I will

> > not respond positively to someone who doesn't even

> > care to give a

> > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:

> > >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> > that are post-

> > >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> > I wish to draw on

> > >that experience because I am about to undergo the

> > surgery next month

> > >and would appreciate insight into the " bottom

> > line. "

> > >

> > >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the

> > best?

> > > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or

> > pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

> > > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,

> > strawberry, other)

> > >

> > >2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> > E.g., protein bars?

> > >

> > >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> > protein (e.g.,

> > >Vitalady)?

> > >

> > >4. What other post-surgical information can be

> > offered re protein?

> > >

> > >Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Those sensibilities should include, I believe, being sensitive to those of

us who want to address someone by a name. We have no way of telling

whether a person is giving their real name or not, so accepting any name

they choose to give seems like a good compromise to me. I just don't like

dealing with nameless people, and I just won't. LaWanda At 02:54 PM

6/27/05, you wrote:

>I don't think it really matters what this person's

>name is the fact of the matter remains that he or she

>needs help. We all need to dig deep and go back...and

>for some it will be way back and remember how we felt

>during our process and all the questions we got

>answered, needed answered, etc.

>

>Not posting a name is the same as not telling someone

>about your surgery. Its a choice...it is neither a

>right or wrong one...just a choice and we

>all...specifically the POST OP people need to be aware

>and be sensitive as we can towards our pre ops but

>more importantly be sensitive to one another

>collectively whether post op or pre op. Lets not get

>so lax that we forget were we just came from.

>

>Now, for the person that had the question about the

>protein, Vitalady.com is an execellent place to start

>because of the samples that you can get for roughly

>$1.99/$2.00. As stated before your taste buds will

>change. Some...but few have said that their buds did

>not. Start there.

>

>I hope that help.

>

>Pam Marsh

>

>--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > I agree, Chris. I feel the same way. Lots of

> > people prefer not to give their names, and that

> > should be their choice.

> >

> > chris lopez clopez57@...> wrote:You know,

> > maybe this person is uncomfortable breaking

> > anonymity at this time. I think all should respoect

> > that and not withdraw advice because of it.

> > Remember, we are all at different stages of our

> > journey, particularly emotionally. Who are we to

> > judge the reasons? This group has always been known

> > for it's friendliness and support to all. Should we

> > change now? I have to say I'm a little disappointed

> > in the negative responses.

> >

> > LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote: I will

> > not respond positively to someone who doesn't even

> > care to give a

> > name. LaWanda At 06:22 AM 6/24/05, you wrote:

> > >Acknowledging there are personal preferences, those

> > that are post-

> > >surgery have undoubtedly come to some conclusions.

> > I wish to draw on

> > >that experience because I am about to undergo the

> > surgery next month

> > >and would appreciate insight into the " bottom

> > line. "

> > >

> > >1. Which protein drinks have proven to be the

> > best?

> > > a. Powder (e.g., at Vitalady) or

> > pre-mixed (e.g., Bariatrix).

> > > b. Flavors (chocolate, vanilla,

> > strawberry, other)

> > >

> > >2. What other sources have proven to be of value?

> > E.g., protein bars?

> > >

> > >3. Where are the best purchase sources for the

> > protein (e.g.,

> > >Vitalady)?

> > >

> > >4. What other post-surgical information can be

> > offered re protein?

> > >

> > >Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I really think that we need to drop the subject of the person who did not sign there name to their Message. I have seen recently so many messages that people just assume that we know who they are because they are answering someone's question that was just put to them. It is a waste of energy. There are more important issues at hand than the subject about someone not signing their name. It is too bad that the person did not sign their name but it not a reason for so much drama.

Ramona